Hey hey,

Just looking for some recommendations for some front and rear speakers. Just recently picked up an Audiobahn A6004T amp to run them from Ralliart410 (cheers Greg) but havent quite decided on what speakers yet. I'd be looking for speakers leaning more towards running heavy bass (rap/hip hop) so was looking at brands like Audiobahn, JL, JBL, MTX and Kicker. Probably price range around/up to $200 or so per pair of speakers.

Just looking for peoples recommendations for any specific speakers or deals they know of at the moment, or even brands (hopefully I'm not looking in the wrong direction so far with what I've looked at).

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I'd stay the hell away from JL Audio if I were you. EXTREMELY trebbly. Very harsh on the ears, I got a set of JL Audio VR600-CSi (6" splits) in my car and even on the headunit, trebble at -12 and it still sounds way too harsh.

I can't really say what to get from your $200 budget, but if you upped it a bit to around $300, I'd say like I've said in many other threads to have a look at Hertz HSK-165 splits. (6.5")

if u want bass take a look at mtx, i dont know prices but look at the jackhammer. Bit pointless, but if u want bass take a look at the smaller products
http://www.mtxaudio.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/jackHammer.cfm

if u want bass take a look at mtx, i dont know prices but look at the jackhammer. Bit pointless, but if u want bass take a look at the smaller products
http://www.mtxaudio.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/jackHammer.cfm

...so irrelevant.

...so irrelevant.
The sub linked was irrelevant, but not the suggestion for a Subwoofer, since D-VAN did specify he wanted heavy bass. In car speakers will distort too much if you try and put anything about mediocre bass level's through them.

The sub linked was irrelevant, but not the suggestion for a Subwoofer, since D-VAN did specify he wanted heavy bass. In car speakers will distort too much if you try and put anything about mediocre bass level's through them.

He did specify he has a price range of around $200 and not $2000 though.

...so irrelevant.

Lol, agreed. Not something I could really fit in the parcel shelf or doors...

I did see them put MTX Jackhammer into a car in Pimp My Ride... Very, very exsessive. But very cool :D

Will check out the Hertz splits though, thanks. The $200 is just a rough figure, if somethign comes along that's above but I gotta have, I'll go for it. If I went for them thought, I'd probably go a little cheaper in the rear.

Lol, agreed. Not something I could really fit in the parcel shelf or doors...

I did see them put MTX Jackhammer into a car in Pimp My Ride... Very, very exsessive. But very cool :D

Will check out the Hertz splits though, thanks. The $200 is just a rough figure, if somethign comes along that's above but I gotta have, I'll go for it. If I went for them thought, I'd probably go a little cheaper in the rear.

I'd say leave the rears as they are for the moment, and focus up the front. That's where you sit, and the Hertz HSK-165s go pretty damn loud and can keep up with bass (subs) quite well.

Anyway back on topic...

Have a lsiten to Boston and Hertz.

If you are adding a sub eventually you are better off spending more on one pair of decent speakers for upfront. These are the ones you'll be listening to afterall.

He did specify he has a price range of around $200 and not $2000 though.
You dont have to spend $2000 to get a decent sounding sub setup in a car. I did that because i had nothing better to do with my time.

It really depends on what D-VAN wants from his setup and whether he is specifically after brand new products, or would be interested in 2nd hand gear. You could easily get a Sub and Amp for $200 if your prepared to use 2nd hand gear.

Anyway back on topic...

Have a lsiten to Boston and Hertz.

If you are adding a sub eventually you are better off spending more on one pair of decent speakers for upfront. These are the ones you'll be listening to afterall.

Sorry, should have mentioned before, subs are all taken care of. Audiobahn DUB series 200 dual voice coil 12" running off an Audiobahn A8001T. Might swap it to run a pair of subs, or even just add another of the same later on. By bass in the fronts and rears, I didn't mean runnign enought to distort, just in terms of if I'm going for good top end sound quality or good bass, I'd be leaning more towards bass. I know with my price range, I'm not going to really be getting both in a pair of speakers like you would with some top end gear priced more around $700 upwards.

Well you got your sub/amp worked out, so forget the rears :) Spend that extra money on a good set of fronts.

Well the subs should happily take care of the bass side of things, you want some splits that will match the subs output.

Focus only on your front splits, rears can be left stock off the headunit (or amped and highpassed)

That way you get some good quality gear instead of spending half as much on each speaker upgrading the whole lot.

If your budget is $400 for one pair of splits you can start looking at some decent stuff.

Peace

Tim

i think this is out of your price range but for absolute music power go for bose. But if your looking for the sort of speaker i think you are. Then head for pioneer or second hand top range stuff, like alpine etc.. (im too tired to deal with brand names etc.. right now, but i hope u get a decent set of speakers, and wire them up properly cos this can be almost as bad as crap speakers)

And with $400 or so then all I'll say is stay away from Alpine and Pioneer speakers.

Oh don't worry, I was staying right away from Pioneer simply out of spite from my mates VS Commodores Pioneer setup :D

Second hand is no problem... got the two amps second hand (even though they seem brand new) :D

Sounds like going all out on the front splits is the way to go. Definitely get splits? Not coaxial?

I'll need to be upgrading the rears at one point though. They're absolutely terrible, they have distortion even at normal volume even with the stock HU (well, sort of stock...KJ Xi stacker). Took them out and had a look at them, had water spots all over the cones which had warped the shape!?!? Don't ask me how, I have no idea... one of the downsides to buying a second hand car...

Forget coaxials, splits are the way to go. Disconnect the rears if they're that ****ed. Forget about them, you barely hear them anyway up front. Just replace the rears when you get a little more money if you want, put an esky in the backseat to give the rear passengers something to get excited about :)

I Recommend Kicker or JBL they Both Exude Bass performance..


You could also look at Sound Stream but at $200 a Speaker you could only get Low end Gear..

Eclipse also Handle the Bass Pretty Good..

If your on a budget i still have the ralliart eclipse speakers lying around (6x9's and 6.5" fronts). Your welcome to try them out and can have them for next to nics...seriously.

OK, well I know what I'll be looking at... Boston, Hertz, Kicker and JBL splits.

Only thing I'm not sure of now is what stores... I know Kicker is at JB HiFi, JBL is at Strathfield... where can i find Boston and Hertz?

You'll have to call up a few car audio places to find them I think. Not sure about S.A. RM Audio's website no longer tells people where to find places that stock Hertz.

FHRX Studios in NSW can send you Hertz/Boston products, but you'd have to drive there just to hear it. So if you decide with Hertz or Boston, speak to Marty on here (works at FHRX Studios) and he can give you a hand on the purchasing of the products.

Ok, went and had a listen to a few speakers on the weekend...

Listened to some Kickers first, RS and KS series I think... Sounded alright at first, treble sounded a bit harsh on the ears...

Listened to the Audiobahn A6002N, and these sounded much better... very rich, deep sound with fairly strong bass. MUCH better than the Kickers.

However, maybe it came down to the fact you get what you pay for... the Kickers were about $100-$200, whereas the Audiobahn were up around $350... will have to listen to a few more to see what's best. JB also had the DUB600C, which were down from $270 to $160... But I couldn't listen to these as they weren't hooked up. You guys wouldn't recommend buying speakers without listening first right?

nope... If possible hear them installed in cars. Otherwise demo boards will have to do.

Definetly bring your own CD's in too.

Check out some car audio stores if possible. Just so you can see the difference b/w entry level and high level splits.

Eclipse, Oz Audio, Dynaudio, Alpine, Morel, Boston, MB Quart, Diamond audio, scanspeak, peerless, vifa, Image dynamics etc

Peace

Tim

depends.... I bought my Morels from Marty (fhrx studios) without ever having heard a Morel speaker in my life... based my descision on s_tim_ulates and Marty's (as well as a few others on here) opinions judging by my music tastes. Very happy with them! What they lack in heavy bass they make up in crystal clear clarity, the sub handles the rest! And damn they go loud! When your paying $300-$400 for speakers, if people say yes these are good for bass, or no they are good for quality reproduction etc, you wont really go wrong. I would recommend the Boston or Hertz range, but again, give Marty a call. Im in SA, and my speakers arrived from him the next day! :D

Well if you can get to them have a listen... A bit harder in SA unfortunately. (for Poita and D-Van)

That's what I was worried about... that I was comparing entry level kickers to high-end Audiobahns... when it might turn out that at that level the Audiobahns aren't that great in comparison to high-end kickers or other brands.

I really wanted to listen to the 600C's because they are still made by Audiobahn, had the same spec's, but were going cheap because they were on sale... reckon they would wire them up for me? I doubt they would...

i've got a pair of 6" philips splits (called VDO these days) that sounds good. i want to get rid of them. pm me if interested

if you want your speakers wired up, i'll do them for ya, no charge. pm me if interested

Nah, I meant wire them up at the store so I could listen to the speakers before I buy them.

o, ok. Good luck looking though, it sucks if you get the crap ones, believe me, i know lots of ppl who go "hey this is cheap and 450 watts, great i'll take 8" okay so maybe an exageration, but still.

Yeah, I'm a bit worried about buying those speakers on sale without listening to them... they look very similar to the Audiobahns, but still... they might soud different...

Well I missed out on Ralliart410's Cadence splits, but I'm excited because tonite I've tracked down a place with Boston speakers... Gonna drop in on my way home from work and have a listen. Place called Car Audio on Magill road, tiny tiny little shop. :D Can't believe I found it.

Anybody know any specific Boston's I should have a listen to? Like the top end ones to get an idea, then the ones around my price range? (Tim? Any help? :P)

If all else fails i have the Ozies here (brand new). These are recommended by FHRX etc.

Well I missed out on Ralliart410's Cadence splits, but I'm excited because tonite I've tracked down a place with Boston speakers... Gonna drop in on my way home from work and have a listen. Place called Car Audio on Magill road, tiny tiny little shop. :D Can't believe I found it.

Anybody know any specific Boston's I should have a listen to? Like the top end ones to get an idea, then the ones around my price range? (Tim? Any help? :P)
:badgrin: i got em.

Just remember when looking for speakers ignore their specs when they say "watts" unless it states "RMS". :D

interesting thread, as i was going to start a very similar one!

I'm also looking for some front splits in the 200-300 price range to much my two Alpine type 2 subs! I've got up to 110wRMS for them if needed...

The only problem with Hertz/Boston/all those other brands i hear so many goods things about is that hardly any shops stock them, and i really dont like buying stuff i havent tested!

what about peoples opinion on JBL stuff? I have always been a fan since i had a pair of 6x4's up front in my last car.

I'm interested in these:
http://www.strathfield.com.au/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=813

Good? bad? can get better value for money?

i have these;
things (http://www.strathfield.com.au/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=730)

and these were recommened to me by Magnat, upon doing a little research, these are the same speaker as the Infinity 6x9 (cant remeber which series) only have a few visuall changes, the infinitys RRp for $260, these Retail @ $160, i picked them up for $135.

you might say well, thats half the price of the infinity, surely it cant sound as good, think again, these sound amazing, and when cranked high, they still sound amazing, so if your on the hunt for an awesome pair of 6x9's, these are right up your alley....

what about peoples opinion on JBL stuff? I have always been a fan since i had a pair of 6x4's up front in my last car.

I'm interested in these:
http://www.strathfield.com.au/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=813

Good? bad? can get better value for money?

Hmmm, those are the lower end JBL's I think. If I were to go for JBL's, I would go either the GTi series (http://www.jbl.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=C608GTI&cat=COS&ser=GTI) or preferably the Power series (http://www.jbl.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=P650C&cat=COS&ser=POS) depending on how expensive they are... can't see them on the Strathfield website though...
The Grand Touring's don't have a very high power handling. I'm running my front splits at 75wrms, the GTO's run 70wrms. I'd want a bit of head room...

yes, Strathfeild do have them, im 99% sure i saw them last time, that website is Uber old, hasnt been updated in months, so i'd definatly go down and have a look, they carry ALOT of JBL gear

Oh, btw, tried to have a look in that shop 'Cargear' on Magill Rd... "Due to unforseen circumstances, we will be closed until further notice" so there's that plan out the window. Anybody else know any places in Adelaide stocking Boston or Hertz?

Oh, btw, tried to have a look in that shop 'Cargear' on Magill Rd... "Due to unforseen circumstances, we will be closed until further notice" so there's that plan out the window. Anybody else know any places in Adelaide stocking Boston or Hertz?

There is a new car audio shop opening up called Adelaide Pro Sound , 1252 South Road Clovelly Park. His name is George. I beleive they will be opening up in 2 weeks. I drove past Saturday and seen them doing some work to the shop.. I think the owner goes by the name STREETSOUNDZ on www.caraudioaustralia.com.au.

Hey buddy. Thanks again for all the advice with my speaker install.

Do you have any idea what brands Adelaide Car Audio will be stocking?


I noticed that you have some 165V2's now. What do you think of them? I am absolutely stocked with mine.

where did you pick them up from?

No troubles fats....

Adelaide Pro Sound , 1252 South Road Clovelly Park - (opening soon)
Treo Speakers (to be confirmed, but likely)
OzAudio Speakers (to be confirmed, but likely)
Qmax Sub Boxes (to be confirmed, but likely)
Crossfire
Soundstream
Digital Designs
Image Dynamics
Tru Technology
Audio System
Infinity
Potentials - Clarion, Kenwood, Eclipse, Panasonic & JVC


As for the Focals... I know someone at Tonkins and got them near staff price. They aren't too bad so now i am shopping for a new head unit and it will be complete. Lucky for me Adelaide Pro Sound is just minutes from my work so i'll probably have my own car park there! I think he is going to have a BBQ on his opening day so with his permission i'll pop it in the SA section when i know more.

Im amazed the Focal polyglass 165V2's werent mentioned earlier. Focal have just upgraded their range, which means stores are trying to get rid of current stock at silly prices, I picked up a new set on Friday for $299 retail is about $415, give these a listen I dont think you will be dissapointed.

If you have a budget of about $400.....i'de be allowing $300 for spkrs and leave the other $100 for sound deadening, this made a huge different to my setup in my TH.

I'm feeding my focals 90rms each side and they love it.

Crystal clear with good tight midbass.

Luke

Just checking, when looking at speaker specs, with Frequency response, the lower the Hz range goes the lower the speaker can go into the bass range, and the higher the kHz the higher pitched the speaker can go right?

So really, a speaker with a very big range is good right?

Most splits will go up to 20 khz... Which is the threshold of human hearing.

Then you want them to be able to play down to 70 hz, comfortably. Actual frequency range is a bit of a joke... It depends again how they measure it and there is no set rules. If you can find the T-S Specs (Thielle small) this is a better indicator if you look at fs (resonant frequency) This a better determinant of how low the speaker will play.


If you look at specs: Sensitivity = how loud the speaker will go with a certain amount of power -> 90 db + is good
Ignore all peak measurements (PMPO, MAX etc) Only look at RMS ratings.


But best bet is to disregard the specs and use your ears...

Peace

Tim

Cheers, thanks Tim. With the specs though, they'd probably be more accurate/trustworthy depending on the brand too right? I mean, I was looking at the Focal website and I'd imagine they would be fairly correct. But say you were looking at brands like low end Sony's or no-name brands... they're more likely to bullsh!t you hey?

Exactly...

Cheaper companies will test their gear at 14 volts, compared to others who do all at 12v. With specs there are many ways to test them, better companies will ensure that their gear will do what they say it will, whilst dodgy brands pick the best specs of the bunch...

All in all your ears are your best tool. try and listen to everything you want to buy. A speaker can be the best on paper, but still sound like crap.

Im amazed the Focal polyglass 165V2's werent mentioned earlier. Focal have just upgraded their range, which means stores are trying to get rid of current stock at silly prices, I picked up a new set on Friday for $299 retail is about $415, give these a listen I dont think you will be dissapointed.

If you have a budget of about $400.....i'de be allowing $300 for spkrs and leave the other $100 for sound deadening, this made a huge different to my setup in my TH.

I'm feeding my focals 90rms each side and they love it.

Crystal clear with good tight midbass.

Luke

Anybody know where you can pick up Focals in Adelaide?

And don't worry, sound deadening as a whole other budget :D

Anybody know where you can pick up Focals in Adelaide?

And don't worry, sound deadening as a whole other budget :D

Tonkins - I have a contact if your interested.

Tonkins - I have a contact if your interested.

Cheers Greg, will have to have a listen to them first. You actually have them installed in your car at the moment don't you? How do they go?

Cheers Greg, will have to have a listen to them first. You actually have them installed in your car at the moment don't you? How do they go?

They are in... I haven't actually turned up em up yet but so far so good. Recommended. I tell you though the OzAudio's that were for sale sounded absolutley magic. I helped install these in AU falcon and they are sweet sounding speakers.

Either way the Focal's or Ozzies are good speakers.

OK, I have had a listen around to a fair few speakers now, and to me it really has come down to three...

Focal Polyglass splits. Seemed to have very good midrange, very clean sound. price of $400.

Rockford Fosgate Punch P162S. Really liked the sound of these, sounded stonger down in the bass area than the Focals and were a little bit bright, but I like that sound anyway, so still impressed me. price of $460

Audiobahn ABC600T. To be honest, I couldn't really tell the difference between these and the RF's. Both very American sounding, bit bright at the high tones but still very strong, deep sound. Price of $280.

So basically, I decided on the Audiobahns. Only problem is, JB Hifi don't have any more in stock, and it's an end of the series so they can't order more in... So they offered me the demo speakers. I was offered a discounted price... of $260... from $280.
I'm thinkign that isn't much of a discount on demo speakers... they still have a 5-year warranty, but I mean they're not brand new anymore, I'm thinking the discount should be a bit better... what do you guys think?

I think thats a garbage discount for a set of demo speakers...

If you pay with cash you should be able to get(i did) a set of Focal 165V2's for about $330 cash as they are now superceded.

Focal has just released a new upgrade to most of their range.
Im running a set off a PG octane r 8.0:4 giving 75rms and they sound sweet.
Luke

D-VAN, what JB branch did you demo these in? Marion or Modbury?

Demo'd these at Modbury, that's where I was quoted the price.

Had a listen to the V2's, they were good... but I was given a price above what the Polyglass's were... Not $330... and this was at Tonkins.

Demo'd these at Modbury, that's where I was quoted the price.

Had a listen to the V2's, they were good... but I was given a price above what the Polyglass's were... Not $330... and this was at Tonkins.

There is a bloke on Ebay (in Adelaide) selling some Hertz HSK-165's.. If your after some other good ones these may be the go for you.. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Hertz-HSK-165-6-5-inch-Component-Speakers-not-focal_W0QQitemZ5863199543QQcategoryZ3292QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hmmm... I didn't actually get to listen to any Hertz though, so I'm not sure what they sound like... I'll keep an eye out on them. How much do they usually go for?

PS why did you ask which JB? You said you know someone who works there didn't you?

Hmmm... I didn't actually get to listen to any Hertz though, so I'm not sure what they sound like... I'll keep an eye out on them. How much do they usually go for?

PS why did you ask which JB? You said you know someone who works there didn't you?

Hertz get a lot of good reviews. Plenty here have them.

Answer to 2nd question is a big YES.

Brother in law or something wasn't it? Would you be able to check what the price of the Audiobahn demo's should be? Cos I reckon I'm getting ripped :P

Those Hertz are lookin pretty temptin actually...

Brother in law or something wasn't it? Would you be able to check what the price of the Audiobahn demo's should be? Cos I reckon I'm getting ripped :P

Those Hertz are lookin pretty temptin actually...

Brother actually... I'll check it out for you... IMO the Hertz are way better.. Check out the For Sale section.. The dood selling those Hertz splits is an AMC member.

Cheers Greg, much appreciated :D

I reckon those Hertz will get pretty expensive...

Cheers Greg, much appreciated :D

I reckon those Hertz will get pretty expensive...

But you get what you pay for. Perhaps PM the AMC member and see if you can work out a deal.