I have found my new TJ II sports 5spd tiptronic is doing a weird thing when driven hard.
BAsically when setting off on standing start letting car change 1st to 2nd, then rev through 2nd it gets to about 5500 RPM in second then flares really weird before finally changing into 3rd gear.
I have read from you guys about trans stuff and havent found a problem same as this (yet) in the forums.
I am really scared but have 5000km 3 month waranty from car yard, so any info would be appreciated.
Was thinking ECU reset or flush may help, but am worried its terminal?????
Gear changes apart from that are same as other Tippy's I have experienced.
Please help!!!!! :shock:

Wouldn't be a spark issue would it?

Really dont think so????
seams to be gearbox im sure

Really dont think so????
seams to be gearbox im sure
Does it feel like the engine is struggling? or feel like the car sorta slips into neutral and revs out abit? Could be the 2nd to 3rd solenoid, maybe try doing an auto tranny flush first to see if that helps the problem?

yes it feels like it goes into neutral and revs out a bit before changing, that is spot on as far as the symptoms goes actually.
still think valve body???

The 5spd auto's are ****e, mine's getting replaced after 8000 k's. Glad i dont have to pay for it

Guys thanks for info re this one, I would still be very interested in some more theories with Tech merit, as i need to act whilst I got some used car warranty left!!!!!
regards to all contributers :cry:

best thing to do is to take it to the dealer where u got it from and get them to have a look. cars still under warrenty so might as welll get them to fix it.

Mate, the dealer I got it from is only small time and his garage scares me (no Mitsubishi dealer with shiny lights and big windows by any means), I have told him im sus on it and he reckons its ok?? I talked to dandenong Mitsubishi where it was bought new and serviced regulary from and they reckon its a good car but the fault sounds sus too!!
I reckon I might get the missus to get te auto flushed serviced and If i can find a stereo code?? I will reset ECU tonight, but apart from that im scared still.
If I can tell car yard it is XXXX then i ma sure he will get it fixed, i willing to throw a few bucks away towards auto service as I had planned that anyhow after reading so many threads making a point of doing this regulary!.
Would realy like to hear from another Tippy owner who has seen or experienced something like this if possible (or anyone with valuable input would be welcome to stick 2 cents in of course too! :) )

does your trans sort of bump into gear, not change nice and smoothly, mine is 50/50 with that.

have you experienced when changing gears say from P to D that the shifter is sometimes hard to move. mine did that, had it in at mitsu, they looked over it for a couple hours, then said it needs a new trans

hmmmm good questions will look tonight at those ones when I get home from work!!!
thanks for somwhere to look!.

does your trans sort of bump into gear, not change nice and smoothly, mine is 50/50 with that.

have you experienced when changing gears say from P to D that the shifter is sometimes hard to move. mine did that, had it in at mitsu, they looked over it for a couple hours, then said it needs a new trans


Well I reset ECU last night and It had become worse!!!! you dont need to be on throttle as much now. Even say 1/3 - 1/2 throttle through 1st, 2nd, and into 3rd will give this flare like its not in gear before changing into 3rd....... :cry:

Tried as above, My car easily changes from P to D, so no drama there, It is sort of ok into gears I think, I have a VY II Commodore wagon for work (since brand new) and its a better shift in the TJ I reckon??? (except 2nd to 3rd gear).

I am getting trans serviced and looked at buy a good mechanic Friday, so lets hope its nothing too serious.

Excuse my ignorance but can 1 gear be game over for whole box.

Mine can flare with hard use. Im gonig to get a tranny cooler and get it flushed. I hope this is the cause but mines still under warranty. Its a slightly different transmission though.

I have noticed mine will do this when you have been hammering the trans and the oil gets hot in mine when the oil cooled down it was okay!But at my last service mitsi checked my trans fluid(wasnt due till next service) and told me it was burnt and brown and needed to be flushed.I have asked mitsi about an oil cooler but they say you dont need it cause theres one built in to the bottom of the radiator.I think a aftermarket would be the go.I reckon get your trans flushed ,new fluid and see how it goes.My 2c worth. :D

I think a thransmission fluid flush and renew will fix the problem you are describing........ if it doesn't - then it's much more serious.

If you don't get your car serviced by a mitsubishi service center...... I recommend you check the owners manual for the correct type of transmission fluid for your gearbox (it won't like dexonIII or whatever it's called - maybe the car yard you brought it from put that in, and thats the problem), buy a bottle and take it to a trusted mechanic for renewal.

Basically it comes down to the fact that Magna autos are very specific in the type of fluid they require, and the condition of that fluid....... if the wrong fluid is used, or the fluid has been cooked at some stage, the car will let you know about it - and I think thats what you are experiencing.

Okay...

4sp Tippy in the TF Sports had and sometimes still does have this flaring problem.. It's just the ECU most of the time.. It does feel a sh*tload worse if you haven't had your box flushed with new fluid! Get that done ASAP.. and get Mitsu to do they're thing with the ECU.. I'm not sure if they jst reset it.. but whatever they do it worked.. Its not so evident anymore and yeh.. the changes are smoother!

5sp Tippy in the KJ Rada is ****en brilliant.. Haven't had many problems.. only real.. "problem" as such would be when changing from R to D.. it lags to change.. but either then that.. when giving it some the box changes smoothly and you hardly feel the changes! LOVE IT! Don't know if this had anything to do with it.. but after I put the K&N Panel in.. the changes became even smoother.. possible.. yes/no..?

SuFz :rant:

[QUOTE=Richo7502000]Well I reset ECU last night and It had become worse!!!! you dont need to be on throttle as much now. Even say 1/3 - 1/2 throttle through 1st, 2nd, and into 3rd will give this flare like its not in gear before changing into 3rd....... :cry:
did you do the atm upshift learning procedure after you reset the ecu......remember you only need to dissconect the negative battery terminal for 5 seconds to reset ecu.

I have exactly the same problem as you first stated. It is something to do with the lock up clutch control on the autos so you dont wreck them. they are locked on and when you change gears it releases and "revs a bit" before changing into third. if it revs like upto 6500 upwards, then you got more problems.

oh yeah i forgot...pm me if you want that learning procedure

I have experienced this phenonmenon too with my AWD. Happens in low gears esp after a battery reset. This leads me to ponder that the previous owner probably never got the car out of 3rd gear or over 2500rpm. You have a little time up your sleeve to get the car to learn your driving style. I find that the manual shifting will cause this more than other shifts.

On my first few runs with my new plenum and the car in "D", the ECU held on until 7000rpm before pulling the next gear :shock:

I've been informed that part of the reason it can do that is becuase of the adaptive learning program in the box and if there are two or more drivers it trys to put all their driving habits together and sometimes it gets confused hence the reving between 2nd and 3rd.

It did it in my TE (non-tippy) and I got the auto serviced and I talked to the guy and thats what he said to me so I stopped anyone else from driving the car and it only did it once a month tops.

well it did happen to me shifting was lagging too long than usual, and all the symtoms that u had. and left me stranded 100km away from home on new years night :rant: . sent it to mitsu for it still under warranty and they replace my gear box......thank fcuk for the warranty

Well, had the Auto serviced and the guy first said Auto may be stuffed to me after he drove it!. He then replaced fluid etc etc and drove it and said was much better and could be cause oil was so stuffed in box!.
I took car home and by time I got hom e (50km away) was playing up again!, however now only does it in drive or when using Tippy revving above 5,000 rpm will get this to occur nearly every time. The shift quality everywhere else had been improved by this service so thats a good thing I guess.
My trans man told me to wait 10,000km and replace oil again and will be better again, but obviously thats out of warranty period!
Talked to car yard the other day, he is a Pr!ck!!!!!!!, he said hes sick of people buying 2nd hand cars expecting them to be new, but at 2,500 for new box I reckon im rightly scared!.
He reckons he will buy car back rather than fix it, but I reckon he'll pull a scam with that too.
Anyway its off to his trans peson today for their opinion, so we will see!!!.
thanks all for input.

Mate if the auto is stuffed and he said he will buy the car back. Providing you dont loose out give the thing back and get something else. Hopefully he is legit about taking it back. Good luck with it.

Regards

Well, Wife took car to the auto joint and they reckon fault is a leaking accumulator caused through an electrical fault with some solenoid (maybe 2-3 shift???) which seams feasible.
They reckon $350 to fix and is a common fault with 5 spd Tippy trans.
Apparently Mitsubishi had implemented a fix but isnt automatically done unless fault detected during warranty period. But the fix is with new mod version and apparantely is worthwhile.
He was dead certain that this will be the cause of the fault as he had seen it many times before!.
I am hoping this is all, as the vcar yard has agreed to get it done under warranty too!hope it works out

Well, Wife took car to the auto joint and they reckon fault is a leaking accumulator caused through an electrical fault with some solenoid (maybe 2-3 shift???) which seams feasible.
They reckon $350 to fix and is a common fault with 5 spd Tippy trans.
Apparently Mitsubishi had implemented a fix but isnt automatically done unless fault detected during warranty period. But the fix is with new mod version and apparantely is worthwhile.
He was dead certain that this will be the cause of the fault as he had seen it many times before!.
I am hoping this is all, as the vcar yard has agreed to get it done under warranty too!hope it works out
That's pretty much what i said. As for the price, dunno if thats decent or not, but i know its alot cheaper to do that than to rebuild/replace the auto :).

thanks TR envy, and other contributers too!!!!
basically yes I liked your solenoid theory as it best described the fault, and you have (hopefully) been proven right!!!
unfortunatelty wont know until tues/wed next week as Australia day stuffs my chance of a quick fix this week
anyway feel heaps better, wasnt a good start to the magna club...... even though I had a TR a year ago too as my wifes car which was best thing i ever owned!

thanks TR envy, and other contributers too!!!!
basically yes I liked your solenoid theory as it best described the fault, and you have (hopefully) been proven right!!!
unfortunatelty wont know until tues/wed next week as Australia day stuffs my chance of a quick fix this week
anyway feel heaps better, wasnt a good start to the magna club...... even though I had a TR a year ago too as my wifes car which was best thing i ever owned!

please pm me with the result of the fix next week :pray:

Well the Auto trans guy (the car yard sent me to) looked at the car yesterday!!!
Not sure if he did anything other than drop fluid and reset ECU. (vertical sump cover??) on trans didnt look like it had been touched so cant see how they put a new accumulator or solenoids in the thing!!!!!!
I reckon the car yard has got him to only service the thing hoping it would work...but it is still the same.
Does anyone in Melbourne know of a GOOD auto trans place to check out Mitsubishi's???
I am at stage where I am happy to put some of my own $$$$ in to get this thing right now!!!
I love the car and just want to know if it has a terminal gearbox drama or a minor fix req??
I Cant believe that at 80,000km the trans would be buggered totally still, unless mitsubishi knows of a common fault???
Anyway thats todays tale of woe!

Guys thanks for info re this one, I would still be very interested in some more theories with Tech merit, as i need to act whilst I got some used car warranty left!!!!!
regards to all contributers :cry:

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28404
these were the response from what I posted regarding the same problem not to long ago...see if there is any extra ideas there

mmmmm i had the exact same problems your describing........which led to the gearbox having to be replaced last week :cry:. Trans was always serviced and i was told the "flaring" was normal to the mitsubishi gear box, but with the new one in it hasnt done it since. so yeah hope i havnt scared you lol u might wanna take it somewhere else to have a look at.

Ok well Im starting to get a little suspicious on what the trans guy did!!!
Basically the other night after they "apparently" modified my Valve body in the gearbox to eradicate this "common"problem (that a mitsubishi dealer had no idea on) the gear box slipped like a mongrel between 2-3 upshift in either D or tippy.
Now I am a little unsure whether or not they actually did the work, I am truly wondering if they had put some "additive" in the oil to get things happening as they said it takes a week to learn my new driving styles etc, etc.
I had gone there yesterday and confronted them and they were adament it would take more time and palmed me off!.

I got home last night and took the keys from the wife, and stuff me the thing is now changing properly between 2-3 gear.
I can see that the solenoids in valve body could hav been the issue as it did seam like they were not engaging fully correctly and only in one gear, so fixing the valve body seampt a reasonable thing, what I cant understand is how come if it was that it didnt work straight away!!!, I know the gearboxes learn, but this is a fault, not a driving style.
I am still concerned they may have chocked my box with some nasty additive that may bite my ass in a few months time.
Will try the car out big time again and see how it goes tonight, I am booked in to Dandenong Mitsubishi tomorrow to see what they reckon, just wish it would fault for them, or mayb e it is truly fixed???
Very concerned, due to warranty timeline with this. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Took my car to Mitsubishi Dandenong, and had my car looked at, they believe the auto hadnt been touched internally by prev. trans place which looks like my thoughts were correct!.
They said the car had an outstanding Software Upgrade which had not been done.
He reckons that it is sometimes possible that this upgrade can fix the fault in my trans, however he did say not 100% of time.
Now driving car a day later it certainly has changed the way it shifts gears, it now changes much better in all gears, but 2-3 is a little strange in that it shifts quite hard ( and a little early) under light throttle, but I reckon it is still learning?, and is better at higher throttle inputs.
Tiptronic changes are much faster now, a big improvement.
I still have noted a flare occasionally still from 2-3 but not as much or as bad.
Mitsubishi did say my car is slow to change from Rev to drive which is apparently a sign of degraded transmission also.
Will give it another day or two as suggested by Mitsubishi, then its full guns blazing at the car yard.
Shame if it is no good, have fallen in love with the car already, its a great all round package.

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[QUOTE=Richo7502000]Took my car to Mitsubishi Dandenong, and had my car looked at, they believe the auto hadnt been touched internally by prev. trans place which looks like my thoughts were correct!.
They said the car had an outstanding Software Upgrade which had not been done.
He reckons that it is sometimes possible that this upgrade can fix the fault in my trans, however he did say not 100% of time.Now driving car a day later it certainly has changed the way it shifts gears, it now changes much better in all gears, but 2-3 is a little strange in that it shifts quite hard ( and a little early) under light throttle, but I reckon it is still learning?, and is better at higher throttle inputs.

i'm going to get onto my local dealer....thanks for the update :)

Well, still playing up....
HArd shifting big time when cold , and slipping once warmed up!.
I have talked to MMAl Adelaide who has put me on to a dealer to see if they will "assist" with warranty as the car has got 80,000k on it when they now have huge warranty on drivetrain (basically same box etc).
My car yard bloke had cheek to ask if i wanted to buy new car warranty extension for $600 so I would be covered if it blew up in 6 months, he was kind enough to pay the other $600, but as my car warranty isnt worth a crap now, I thought how bad would the extended warranty be, so decided to decline his offer.
I also belive these extended warranties are insurance policies , and as this is a known preexisting fault I reckon they may can my claim anyhow down the track if I was to buy it?????

Anyway his trans man is having a second go tomorrow to see if he can actually fix the thing after all?
:nuts:

I woulda thought that as he was informed of the problem before the expiation of the warranty you would be able to claim it all under warranty.

errm have you thought about just trying to get a new tranny put in it? Although I guess you may have to get the dealer's permission. :doubt:

There should some govt. agency though, that you can call up to get free legal advice about this, possibly ACCC. That would probably be your best bet as you can then also go to the dealer fully informed and aware of the laws. I know that in SA if you buy a used car and something goes wrong there are plenty of laws protecting you to help you get your car fixed.

Whatever happens good luck with getting it fixed soon :thumbsup:

Yes would love to get a new Tranny, but I dont wanna throw another $3,500 at a car I just bought if it is supposed to be covered by warranty.
The car yard reckons as it is driveable it Aint broke (Basically is his attitude), so am desperately trying to prove it is broke!!!!!
I am already looking into accc etc, however they are a bit weak when I have talked to them.