important Message For All Magna Onwers

Get Your Current Keys And Remotes Re-coded
So That Previous Owners Cannot Get Into Your Prized Vehicle.

Remote Re-coding Is Easy - Its In The Owners Manual - Make Sure You Do Both At The Same Time.

Keys Need To Be Done By The Dealer.

please Do It... I Cant Bare The Thought Of Another Magna Owner Having His/her Car Stolen.

as For You Scum Bag Criminals - Get A Job - Buy Your Own Car - Stop Stealing Other Peoples ****.... I Only Hope That It Bites You In The Arse And Some Prick Knocks Off Something You Worked Hard On.

eh?

what do you mean?

dont they still need the key to start the car?

and if they had the key in the first place, why would they need the remote?

important Message For All Magna Onwers

Get Your Current Keys And Remotes Re-coded
So That Previous Owners Cannot Get Into Your Prized Vehicle.

Remote Re-coding Is Easy - Its In The Owners Manual - Make Sure You Do Both At The Same Time.

Keys Need To Be Done By The Dealer.

please Do It... I Cant Bare The Thought Of Another Magna Owner Having His/her Car Stolen.

as For You Scum Bag Criminals - Get A Job - Buy Your Own Car - Stop Stealing Other Peoples ****.... I Only Hope That It Bites You In The Arse And Some Prick Knocks Off Something You Worked Hard On.

Thanks for the advice! Good too! BTW, in your other post, you mentioned some magnas have hidden keys :shock: TJ's? If so, I want to remove mine if so - very scary...

This thread has been very useful....not

Can someone please shed some light on this so called "hidden" key and wtf is this remote thing about?
My remotes being fully recoded after the alarm blew it self up.

This thread has been very useful....not

Can someone please shed some light on this so called "hidden" key and wtf is this remote thing about?
My remotes being fully recoded after the alarm blew it self up.

The recoding your key business is fairly obvious (if you don't trust the dealer you bought it from, i.e. gave you two instead of keys on a car they got with 27,000km on the clock, that was also an ex rental, I bring it back to the same yard for servicing, etc blah, blah...)
At least that way they can only get into you car, steal you stuff and tools :rant:

(my old sigma key used to start other peoples sigmas! Mitsu has had a lot of improving to do over the years :bowrofl: )

This 'hidden key' business sounds like crap, because if it was true, its bloody scary. Whats the point of an immoboliser if it exists ? I'm headed down to mitsu today, I'll ask there, boy will they have a good laugh! But I do live in the car theft capital of australia...

okay so you all think the hidden key thing is a load of b.s. Then please tell me why both my vehicle -1999, and my mates 2000 both had them in the same place.....

for all you smart arses - try looking under the car around where the washer bottle would be if you were looking at it from under the car.....

perhaps its something the dealer we bought our cars from does... who gives a flying ****... its still a problem that needed to be addressed in case others do it...

why is that whenever someone trys to help someone else out there is always some ****wit who has to make you sound like a total moron who doesnt know what your talking about...

what ever happend to the simple - "thanks for the tip - ill check my car just in case"

all you non-believers... i swear you can learn the hard way in the future....

:rant:

Righto champ. I'll be sure to take your advice. Anyone as well spoken and intelligent sounding as yourself must be on the ball. :doubt:

Looked under the car near the washer bottle - No Spare key. (and felt like a total dick doing it btw)

Re programed the remote so the previous owner (that would be the production line at tonsley - Mitsubishi Australia?) could not steal it lol

guys seriously - why be smart?

I was only trying to help out.... I have learnt from someone else's mistake and thought I would point out the issues - incase others who are not as smart as yourselves - hadn't done it....

Its was a simple thing - no need to get smart about it and turn it into a put down...

I swear some of you need to just accept that you are not the be all and end all of this forum and if you want to ban me then do so - i really dont think ill be trying to help anyone again. :gtfo:

I swear some of you need to just accept that you are not the be all and end all of this forum Relax, mate. So what if not everyone wants to take you at your word? No harm done, right?

Take a step back, realise that it's only Teh Interweb(R) then go out and get some fresh air.

okay so you all think the hidden key thing is a load of b.s. Then please tell me why both my vehicle - new from mits. in 1999 and my best mates new from mits in 2000 both had them in the same place.....

for all you smart arses - try looking under the car around where the washer bottle would be if yhou were looking at it from the bottom of the car.....


I had a look but couldnt find it can you post a pic how is it attached to the car is it cliped on or something maybe its there but we cant see it?

MMM its called a kill switch...:P

The best way to find it (the bloody key) is to undo your washer bottle (just a few bolts), and lift it up.

If you do have this key (so far telling people about it has just made me look stupid) - its held up by a loop of coat hanger type wire - which you will see threaded through the 2 holes closet to the engine mount (where you removed the bottle from)

I'm sure i'll get criticised for this one as well - but if its not there - you dont have to worry about it. Please also remember to replace and re-mount your washer bottle.

Ok I give up !!!

I'm sick and tired of it - Now I get emails about it, just forget I said anything.

Kill switches - fine.
Dont want to re-code your remotes - fine.
Dont want to get your keys recoded - fine.

JUST DROP IT !!!!!!!

If any of you dont want to take the adivce thats fine - I thought this forum was so that we could help each other out with stuff like this... I mean your all forgetting that all i'm trying to do is help you protect your rides - I mean if your not interested dont post a reply (or send emails)

As for those who took the advice - thanks, even if I only helped one person, at least I know that your rides are a little safer from those theiving bastards who help themselves to other peoples stuff - because they are too lazy to buy it themselves.

wooooo..... slow down there buddy! deeeeeppp breathes... dont explode here.

one thing to learn about this forum is that a lot of people (roughly 98.6%) use sarcasm as their main source of communication.

remember this when posting in the future. there are better ways to word your posts


guys seriously - why be smart?

I was only trying to help out.... I have learnt from someone else's mistake and thought I would point out the issues - incase others who are not as smart as yourselves - or as lucky as us (and couldnt buy new) hadn't done it....

Its was a simple thing - no need to get smart about it and turn it into a put down...

I swear some of you need to just accept that you are not the be all and end all of this forum and if you want to ban me then do so - i really dont think ill be trying to help anyone again.

This is one way to influence people, however, it will not win friends...

if people are being smart arses, dont get all p¡ssy, just ignore them and only communicate with the people you want to.

BTW: Some of these people are the be-all and end-all of this forum (ash3, KB, glenn etc...) (and if you ask to be banned, people may think your a bit of a tos...)

What were you expecting to happen?? Everyone to believe you?
If you actually have evidence (ie; photos) to prove where this hidden key is then by all means inform us.
Don't go off your nut and start attacking people because they don't believe. :nuts:

BTW, on the KH verada, you have to replace the stock bulbs to phillips blue visions because they will blow up!!! serious :bowrofl: :doubt:

Ok I give up !!!

I'm sick and tired of it - Now I get emails about it, just forget I said anything.

Kill switches - fine.
Dont want to re-code your remotes - fine.
Dont want to get your keys recoded - fine.

JUST DROP IT !!!!!!!

If any of you dont want to take the adivce thats fine - I thought this forum was so that we could help each other out with stuff like this... I mean your all forgetting that all i'm trying to do is help you protect your rides - I mean if your not interested dont post a reply (or send emails)

As for those who took the advice - thanks, even if I only helped one person, at least I know that your rides are a little safer from those theiving bastards who help themselves to other peoples stuff - because they are too lazy to buy it themselves.

I'll take some pics tomorrow - I have a TJII. If you could point out where it should be on these, I'd be greatful. From the sound of things 1999/2000 it would be a TH that you have found the keys on.
(I had a look under the washer bottle - didn;t see it, but I think I was looking in the wrong spot)
Cheers

I'll take some pics tomorrow - I have a TJII. If you could point out where it should be on these, I'd be greatful. From the sound of things 1999/2000 it would be a TH that you have found the keys on.
(I had a look under the washer bottle - didn;t see it, but I think I was looking in the wrong spot)
Cheers

if ya can mark those photos ill have a look-see on my te tomorrow night and see what i can find :D

i say screw it, if someone wants to steal my car feel free... i have got full comp insurance...just make sure the car is destroyed or doesn't find it way back to me..coz the payout would be better than the return of the car.... :bowrofl:

The best way to find it (the bloody key) is to undo your washer bottle (just a few bolts), and lift it up.

If you do have this key (so far telling people about it has just made me look stupid) - its held up by a loop of coat hanger type wire - which you will see threaded through the 2 holes closet to the engine mount (where you removed the bottle from)

I'm sure i'll get criticised for this one as well - but if its not there - you dont have to worry about it. Please also remember to replace and re-mount your washer bottle.
i have done that to my previous 1997 TF Exec 2.4L, took out the washer bottle coz its had crap in it and washed it out... don't remember anything that looked like a key but when i did all these, it was in september 2005..many months before this post came up

i say screw it, if someone wants to steal my car feel free... i have got full comp insurance...just make sure the car is destroyed or doesn't find it way back to me..coz the payout would be better than the return of the car.... :bowrofl:

Yes but IF there is a spare key locted on the car and they use that to steal your car - No insurance for you.

Yes but IF there is a spare key locted on the car and they use that to steal your car - No insurance for you.
hmm well thats for the insurance to dispute...they'll have to prove it...

Haha I remember working in insurance.

23 claims were revocked when the water level went down at lake eildon and they found the "stolen" cars in the lake - with the keys in the ignion. lol

Haha I remember working in insurance.

23 claims were revocked when the water level went down at lake eildon and they found the "stolen" cars in the lake - with the keys in the ignion. lol
how long did they take em to revoke the insurance...chances are those cars may have been down there for god knows how long...what did the insurance do...after 20 years...*knock knock* err u know your car that got stolen, well we found it after 20 years, we want our money back...haha :bowrofl:

Ok, first things first - Apologies for skitzing off my nut and over-reacting to the sarcastic posts. - Ash I was out of line.

Second - As I have said Time and Time again - perhaps it was something only the dealer we got out cars from has done - I was only trying to alert people to the fact.

Third - I am more than happy to point out where they were, I'm happy to mark posted pics. - The only reason I dont have pics is becuase I dont have a scanner or a digital camera.

Yes both the vehicles are TH Sports' - so maybe it was just the TH's it was done on.

Finally - To those who emailed me - and I'm not dobbing you in 'cos you know who you are, If you can think of nothing better to do with your time other than email and harras me then more fool you.

OK, Its done, I made an arse of myself, We can all have a laugh and move on.
END :rant:

Just to point out, my mum's 1990 Nissan Pintara came with a spare key attached to the inside of the rear quarter panel, we found it when someone rear-ended the car and we checked the damage. It was one of those annoying spare keys that will only open the boot or glovebox. When we asked the dealer, they said it was there in case you locked your car keys in the boot by mistake.......... :nuts: Although, with nothing mentioned to us, and nothing about it in the manual, I don't see how it would help us to have one there. The car didn't have one of those boot-hatch things to get into the car like most newer cars, so I suppose it wasn't REALLY a security risk, but it was there.

I bought my TF from a second hand yard, and it came with two black keys, one grey (which apparently won't start the car I think) and two remotes. Hopefully that means I have all keys that exist for my car.........

No key under the washer bottle of either of my TJII's (not that I've gone and checked after reading this thread......but I've had most of the bits in the engine bay (except the engine) out of both of them at one stage or another, and I would have noticed a key held in with wire). Not saying it wasn't there on yours and your mates ride.

Sounds worrying - maybe in later models they hid them a bit better, because they were too easy to find under the washer bottle....................... mmmmmmm, probably not.

how long did they take em to revoke the insurance...chances are those cars may have been down there for god knows how long...what did the insurance do...after 20 years...*knock knock* err u know your car that got stolen, well we found it after 20 years, we want our money back...haha :bowrofl:

Actaully - you get a knock on the door from the police charging you with fraud. Then they ask for your money back.

And Ice, its all good. I'm thinking its just an off chance that you had one and a freak coincidence that your mate had it too.

What’s the deal with you kids :confused: I cant see anything this guy has done wrong and you all go and abuse him. Personally I thank him for reminding me to change the immobilizer code as I bought my car from a dealer and only received one key so if they were dodgy then I could potentially loose my car. Some of us aren’t lucky enough to have the money to insure our car with comprehensive and if our car gets stolen it’s gone for good and a huge debt on our hands. Think twice before you speak this aint a playground.

Hey, I bought my TJ from Mitsubishi and they gave me two black keys and remotes and 1 grey vallet key. Is that all the keys that came with them?

Also, I have had my washer bottle out a couple times and coudn't see any key or wire. But you said yours was held on with a type of coat hanger wire so maybe it the dealer.

How many keys do you get from Mitsu?

I got my car from my uncle...and he bought it new....and when I took posession of the car my uncle gave me 4 keys???

2 can actually open and turn on the car
1 is the valet key
And
1 that does **** **** all?

Here's some pics - 2003 TJII, doesn't have a key. Took out the water bottle and took 2 pics, took another pic of the area with everything in place. Also looked underneath the metal the wash bottle sits in, nothing there too. Am I looking in the correct place?
Cheers

I think he skipped the country.

Are you having a lend of us mate? I mean if you are its pretty funny.. Uve got a hell of a lot of ppl running around pulling there washer bottles out looking for a key...

If its a joke, funny stuff dude... If your not joking then hmmmm.. interesting

OMG its true! THOSE DODGY DEALERS!!
http://x4.putfile.com/1/2402581284.jpg

:P :P

I'm not worried what people think, if they is a chance its true, its just been broadcast over the internet (AMC forums appear in google searches). I'll give an example - someone in america put up on a website ages ago that kryptonite bike locks, even their top model, the 'New Yorker', can be opened with the back of a 40 cent bic pen! This made most u-bolt bike locks completely useless in one day. The paged got slashdoted, and it was all over the net in no time

So I'm happy to take some pics so Icesports can point out where his key was found. Anyone else with TH/KH can then look there without taking it all apart, and if a few people report to the forum that there is one, then this needs to go in the FAQ. If not, maybe the dealer that sold Icesports car may have done it. I got no reason to not believe or believe anything, but this way we can use the number of people in AMC to see if its wide spread or not. I'm pretty convinced that my car doesn't have it, and I've been out playing with it for the last few days, so I was there anyway, so WTF, I'll have a look.

:drama: :bowrofl:

:bowrofl:

NOTHING SUS!

OMG its true! THOSE DODGY DEALERS!!
http://x4.putfile.com/1/2402581284.jpg

:P :P
Damn you beat me too it!!

I was going to hang my whole key ring, (magna key, house keys and remote) on a coat hanger under the washer bottle and geta pic :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

OMG its true! THOSE DODGY DEALERS!!
http://x4.putfile.com/1/2402581284.jpg

:P :P

Shame its the wrong key for a TE - TW :)

What interesting post. I have changed my washer bottle since I bought it as due to cracking of those dumb bottles.
No Key from my 97TE, and this is not to shoot IceSport saying his wrong. I think he was being helpful.

Ice, relax man, there are bound to be doubts in people. No need to get worked up by everybody's comments. They are mostly surprised or curious about this. I am for one.

I got three keys, 2 black one grey, and I bought my own remote as owner lost his. (Crap)

Those who got 4, maybe there is a chance it was done by previous owner?

One question though, how is anyone going to be able to get the key from such area if the car was locked? but I guess this would go back to the Lounge Thread about the Keys in inition, pockets and locking habbits.

Interesting post, I would go check even if its not true.

Ice, by any chance were you and your mates cars ex-rentals? Because if they were, I can see why a rental car company would place a spare key in such a spot. The instances where renters lose the car keys is phenomenal and generally there are costs involved with getting another set out to them. Easiest thing would be to say to the renter, hey, theres a spare in such a spot, go get it and when ya return pay us for a new set. On the other hand, I could see why a car yard would also see benefits of hiding a spare key on the car, very easy to lose a set of keys at a very impracticle moment in a car yard full of cars.
I would be brave enough to say theres not even the remotest possibility it was put there by the factory. Owner loses keys, tough luck. Buy another set and pay mitsu for em. It does'nt make sense for the factory to hide keys on the car and not tell anyone, especially with coat hanger wire :bowrofl:

But, the point of getting remotes re-coded if your missing one, is not a bad idea. As for recoding keys, did'nt know this is even possible. I thought the keys were basically hardwired and if you wanted a different set of keys, the whole lot had to get replaced including door locks and the body electrics module?

But, the point of getting remotes re-coded if your missing one, is not a bad idea. As for recoding keys, did'nt know this is even possible. I thought the keys were basically hardwired and if you wanted a different set of keys, the whole lot had to get replaced including door locks and the body electrics module?

Yep it is! I had it done, but only because I needed a spare key (I only got two keys when I bought mine, one was a grey one). They needed all keys to reprogram at once, or else they would not all work. I think that part of the process was about $35. The new key was about $70.
One word of advice, if you find they don't have all the keys when you are buying a second hand car - say you won't buy it unless they include them in the deal. I took me a week to get it done, as the MUTII died!! (Big dealer in Adelaide - only had one!!!)

Mind you, a prominent BMW dealer in Adelaide did not have a engine diagnosis computer (in the late '90s), because it was too expensive!!! Midas well serivce it as midas :bowrofl:

Ok, first things first - Apologies for skitzing off my nut and over-reacting to the sarcastic posts. - Ash I was out of line.

Second - As I have said Time and Time again - perhaps it was something only the dealer we got out cars from has done - I was only trying to alert people to the fact.

Third - I am more than happy to point out where they were, I'm happy to mark posted pics. - The only reason I dont have pics is becuase I dont have a scanner or a digital camera.

Yes both the vehicles are TH Sports' - so maybe it was just the TH's it was done on.

Finally - To those who emailed me - and I'm not dobbing you in 'cos you know who you are, If you can think of nothing better to do with your time other than email and harras me then more fool you.

OK, Its done, I made an arse of myself, We can all have a laugh and move on.
END :rant:

Anybody who can be man enough to admit this has got my vote! Your in my champ list from now on (nuthin sus).

I'm sorry that I didn't find this post sooner, because I could have shed some light onto the subject... If this car was a fleet vehicle for Hertz (check your paperwork) then its quite possible that you would have found the key where you said it was... My friend works with Hertz in Toowoomba, and I can remember him talkin about putting keys under the water bottle for spares, but they stopped doing it when they couldn't get to them when they needed em!!! They used to have 3 keys, one to use as the car keys, one on the wall in the office, and that left a spare to hide in the vehicle..
Pretty scary if your car got stolen, cause its not the normal practice of MMAL to put the keys there, so the crims must of known prior that it was a Hertz fleet car.... or mabye they got lucky...

I removed my washer bottle several times ages ago when playing with my headlights and there wasn't a key there. Mind you, the dealer gave me three keys when I bought the car, two proper keys and a courtsey key. What colour is that key, IceSports? If it's grey, it's the courtsey key and possible the dealer putting it there (for whatever reason) but as if MMAL would do that.


(I only got two keys when I bought mine, one was a grey one).
Read above.

Oh, and Manual had a funny experience. He bought his car in Weipa, drove to Perth, had the car for many, many months then one day a spare key fell out from under a side skirt ir something. :bowrofl:

Ok guys/gals, lets get this sorted - here are the facts.

1. Both my car and my mates car are TH Sports and were purchased from our local dealer
2. Both keys were found in exactly the same spot. - I found mine and told him to look, he found his.
THEY WERE BLACK AND UNLOCKED THE CARS - DIDNT RISK STARTING THEM INCASE IT CAUSED PROBLEMS WITH THE IMMOBILISER.
3. You normally get 3 keys from Mitsu. when you buy car new, 2 black, 1 grey (service key)
4. You normally key 2 remotes also.
5. Obviously I feel like a dick because no one else has from the forum has found one - So I rang dealer today - they didnt do it.
6. See attached for more info on where to look.
[B]7. This is not a joke - I'm sorry to those people whose time has been wasted.

Ok guys/gals, lets get this sorted - here are the facts.

1. Both my car and my mates car are TH Sports and were purchased new from our local dealer - we ordered them new!!!!
2. Both keys were found in exactly the same spot. - I found mine and told him to look, he found his.
THEY WERE BLACK AND UNLOCKED THE CARS - DIDNT RISK STARTING THEM INCASE IT CAUSED PROBLEMS WITH THE IMMOBILISER.
3. You normally get 3 keys from Mitsu. when you buy car new, 2 black, 1 grey (service key)
4. You normally key 2 remotes also.
5. Obviously I feel like a dick because no one else has from the forum has found one - So I rang dealer today - they didnt do it.
6. See attached for more info on where to look.
7. This is not a joke - I'm sorry to those people whose time has been wasted.

No worries - here's a pic from underneath, for completeness

WELL...I thought it was helpful. :D

All you naysayers should get a smack across the fingers. :disgusted:

Hadn't been under my car until now. I was hoping to find a key because the secondhand dealer only gave us two keys. :cry:

When I bought the cargo blind I asked the spare parts guy what is the risk of someone else having a key and he said they could reprogramme them for $12, or for free if I bought a $66 key from them. :)

Can i ask why you looked under the washer bottle in the first place?

Looked under mine, nothing.

Maybe it was some form of oversight between MMAL and your dealer to the keys removal, although I know how the cars are kept on the factory holding yards so I dont see the advantage of hiding it. Weird.

First off, The grey key can only start teh car, it will not unlock the glove box or boot (Hence valet key to stop those theiving bastards getting into the boot or glovebox)

i Didnt find any spare keys under my washer bottle, tho i will need to get my reprogrammed because i only got one key (grey valet key) with my car because of the odd dealings, the person who i obought the car from wasnt in the country anymore and his friend (who was sellign the car for him) didnt know where the other keys were, not that im too worried coz gotta get passed the alarm too and i kno where his friend lives and the guys name and blah blah

BUT

when stuffing around with my dash i found my black key elestic banded onto my ignition barrel :shock: i was so freaked out, dunno how it got there but if anyone was trying to steal the car and looked under the dash to fiddle with wires or whatnot, they would have found a key

that was not cool, but lucky now i got a black and grey key :D

Can i ask why you looked under the washer bottle in the first place?

Cause thats were the key would be, if it is there (hanging down)

so the key would be easily accesable from the bottom of the car?

seems a bit odd to have a spare key under the bonnet as you would need to get in the car to pop the bonnet.. and most likely open the boot to get a screw driver to undo the water bottle.

this is a most intriquing case. i'm going to pull all the panels of my car and look for hidden gold, and keys

Cause thats were the key would be, if it is there (hanging down)

I was asking Icesports why he looked there in the first place.

Ok guys/gals, lets get this sorted - here are the facts.

3. You normally get 3 keys from Mitsu. when you buy car new, 2 black, 1 grey (service key)

hey does that mean you got 2 black keys and a gray key and then the hidden key so thats 4 keys total? or did you only get 1 black and 1 gray and the hidden key?

dont worry about what the others are saying cause everyone thought I was crazy with the staple in the swich but when they found out I was right it all went quite.

The reason i looked was because i changed my washer bottle, found the wire and thought whats that there for???

Looked under the car and there was the key. !!!!!

And what I meant was that you Get 2 black keys in your hand and also 1 Grey Key in your hand when you buy the cars new... never mind about the hidden one.

Sorry to be a pain by why were you replacing the washer bottle in a brand new car? Was it leaking or somthing?

Definately not having a go - just very curious.

fan picked up large stone, flung it at washer bottle and cracked it - very nasty noise, water everywhere... so replaced washer bottle

Really? Wow - thats an absolute fluke!

It took me ages to figure out what had happened, it wasnt untill i look at the themo's and saw a chip out of one of the fins that was around the size of the crack in the bottle that i twigged, mech. friends said it happens on falcons all the time.

Really? Wow - thats an absolute fluke!
The original exhaust on my old ks (Skottys new car) damaged by a stone flicked onto it by the
left rear wheel.