Hey guys, I am the proud owner of an EL XR6 (ford) and have a mate who owns a TJ series magna with tiptronic auto. In stock form I have run a 15.4 in my car and was just wondering what kind of times a TJ 3.5 with tiptronic runs in stock form? He reckons it would pull a high 14. Full respect to magna's, they're a lovely car, and I know they're quick off the mark, but a high 14 sounds a bit far-fetched? I don't mean any disrespect to magnas by the way, I'm just curious to know. Would be great if you guys could help out :D

It is a bit far fetched for a stock auto TJ. Check out the quartermile registry. (http://www.ostat.com/dave/magnaregistry.html)

i know chooky has run a high 14 in his car but thats manual, i reckon for your mates car he'd be on par with your time
chooky (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=2153)

if it was a manual then high 14's easy .. some ppl have got mid 14's in stockish manual magna's ..

i reckon a low 15 in a tipy ... if it was a TL i think it would be lower as it 5 sp tippy .. but yeah u guys would be very closely matched i think..

if the drag is only up to speed limit then he should win .. if its on the track i think mid to late track ull pull back on him and it will be very close ... thats all "on paper" of course

Cheers! Well we should be dragging soon (legally down the strip) so i'll let you know how we go!

well your mate is obviously confusing his car with its manual counterpart.
The best stock time for a tiptronic 3.5L has been 15.32 and that was a Sports. If your mates TJ is 5 speed tippy, it will be a little slower than that, and if its a 4 speed tippy, it will be slower again.

BUT (and i have to add this sorry :P ) thats no fair comparing a manual to an auto. Its good to know my near stock manual 3.0L is keeping ahead of those darn manual Fords (stock) :D

slightly off topic ... i occasionally browse a ford forum (fordmods) whenever i seen the word magna come up in the V6 section everyone is generally agreeing how nice they drive and that how fast a manual really is .. never seen a bad thing said about a magna on that forum

Hey _stonesour_, you are correct. I am a member of fordmods and i'm pretty sure we all agree that those magna manuals are weapons :P I think most of the guys, including myself, are more interested in destructing those red lion machines!

Hey _stonesour_, you are correct. I am a member of fordmods and i'm pretty sure we all agree that those magna manuals are weapons :P I think most of the guys, including myself, are more interested in destructing those red lion machines!

I joined Fordmods a while back as I was close to buying a XR6 before I got my sports but after I bought my sports I started noticing threads bagging out most other cars on the road (mainly commy's), including the magna's.
A few members were pulling to hard when I deffended the magnas but a large amount also deffended them with me.

The Ford would kick it's pants as IIRC those XR6's are one of the quicker cars around.

A typical stock 3.5l TJ auto (and a tiptronic is just another auto) would record a 16 second pass. There's been reports of stock manuals with mid 14's but I'm a sceptic. Flat 15's yes, sub 15's probably, 14.5 lucky bastard with an excellent example.

Welcome, Kingkezza.

Ego got a 14.6 in his basically stock car ( performance wise )

The Ford would kick it's pants as IIRC those XR6's are one of the quicker cars around.

A typical stock 3.5l TJ auto (and a tiptronic is just another auto) would record a 16 second pass. There's been reports of stock manuals with mid 14's but I'm a sceptic. Flat 15's yes, sub 15's probably, 14.5 lucky bastard with an excellent example.

Welcome, Kingkezza.

Nah, I recon its too close to call. EL XR6 falcon had 164kw and 366nm, but then it has more weight too - however it also has the advantage of rwd.

Autoweb claimed the VRX was the fastest aussie 6 on the market when it came out in 2000 - http://autoweb.drive.com.au/A_0660/cms/article.html, 7.0 flat to 100, 15.07 400m, however thats a manual vrx.

Of course it all depends on which track you race at, what the temperature and humidity are, etc.. sure there have been freak manual TJ Sports/VR-X models that have run high 14s stock or near-stock, but I don't think a single stock TJ auto (especially a non Sports/VR-X model) has run a sub 15s pass.

He might give you a run for your money at 15.4, but I'll fall off my chair if your mate records a high 14s time.

yeah i agree ... i think u will probably win assuming perfect starts... though its pretty close to call.. soi ges comes down to driver skill in the end

15.07 400m, however thats a manual vrx.
And the difference between an auto and manual is well over half a second.

Let us know what happens, will certainly be interesting.

Ego got a 14.6 in his basically stock car ( performance wise )


Sif stock.. Mines a power house............................................. ...of love..:P


Stock Manual VRX will pull 15.00 all day long.. if you can drive you will get 14.8-14.9..

If you a machine like me and flog the hell out of it so that it physically wont go any faster and yo uhave 5kw above stock you will get 14.6...:)


Man VRX will get the XR6.. I can get BA XR6`s..

3.5 Auto will be very close...

The XR6 would munch it over the quarter mile. No question. A stock automatic TJ executive WILL not run 15.4 seconds of the quarter mile. No way.

This test proved the automatic ran 16.7 seconds.http://www.mynrma.com.au/magna-tj_mitmagtj_specs.asp

EF Falcon Gli (not even XR6 model) did 16.3 seconds.
http://www.mynrma.com.au/falcon-ef-gli_fordfalcef_specs.asp

I would expect an automatic TJ Magna would run around 16 seconds flat. Sure the manual is a lot different, but automatic Magnas have never been fast. VRX/Sports model can probably do around 15.5 if they are lucky in auto. TH 3.5 probably around 15.7 since they are lighter. TJ auto would prob do a 16 flat, but may do high 15s with a good driver and freak car.

It also depends if its the 4 speed auto or 5 speed auto. The 4 speed auto would get blown away by the 164kw XR6.

so if a auto 3.5 runs a 16 flat then a 3L manual shoulf run a 16.5 flat ... which is the same time as a 1.8L lancer hmmmmmm i think not ...


u cant go off of what magazines say! if u look at the 1/4 mile registory u will see 3.5L magnas across the whole 15 second range

i think its probably more accurate to say the 2 cars xr6 and auto tj is to close to call and comes down to driver skill

BTW is ur XR6 manual or auto?

a 3l manual is faster than a 3.5L auto so I don't know where you got that from?

A lot of members on this forum classify muffler, air filter, etc as stock which it isn't. Bog stock as a rock, a 3.5L automatic Magna won't run 15.4. Also, there is not one TJ 3.5L automatic in the quarter mile registry which isn't a VRX or Sports, so there isn't a exact match of the car in question in the registry.

PhilsTH got 15.867 in the lighter TH model, which is pretty much on par with my estimation of 16 seconds flat for the TJ. Note that the air temperature was 14 degrees, and the track temperature 19 degrees, so very good conditions too.

Killer ran a 16.04 in a 3L auto. Only he had a lighter car than a TJ 3.5L, with mods including CAI, K & N air filter, RPW HiFlo TB, RPW HPC Headers, Large middle resonator and a XForce Stainless muffler. These mods would definitely make it more powerful than a stock 3.5L in my opinion.

http://ostat.com/dave/fordregistry.html

theres the link for the ford equivelant of the magna 1/4mile sheet, though u cant see weather they were stockers or been modded

The XR6 would munch it over the quarter mile. No question. A stock automatic TJ executive WILL not run 15.4 seconds of the quarter mile. No way.

This test proved the automatic ran 16.7 seconds.http://www.mynrma.com.au/magna-tj_mitmagtj_specs.asp

EF Falcon Gli (not even XR6 model) did 16.3 seconds.
http://www.mynrma.com.au/falcon-ef-gli_fordfalcef_specs.asp

I would expect an automatic TJ Magna would run around 16 seconds flat. Sure the manual is a lot different, but automatic Magnas have never been fast. VRX/Sports model can probably do around 15.5 if they are lucky in auto. TH 3.5 probably around 15.7 since they are lighter. TJ auto would prob do a 16 flat, but may do high 15s with a good driver and freak car.

It also depends if its the 4 speed auto or 5 speed auto. The 4 speed auto would get blown away by the 164kw XR6.


that is 16.7 in a 4spd, not the 5 spd.

that is 16.7 in a 4spd, not the 5 spd.

How can it be a 5 speed? ALL non-manual TJ Magnas which are executive or advance model have 4 speed tiptronic automatics.

ok 16.7 is just plain wrong ... SLUG ran a 15.3 in a STOCK tippy TJ with pod filter thats mnore than a second difference that is a HUGE difference

ok 16.7 is just plain wrong ... SLUG ran a 15.3 in a STOCK tippy TJ with pod filter thats mnore than a second difference that is a HUGE difference

16.7 is a bit much, which is why I said it would be around 16 seconds. Slugs car is also the 163kw Sports model which is a 5 speed auto instead of the basic 4 speed auto. The 4 speed auto is considerably worse than the 5 speed auto, plus the 13kw to 8kw difference between executive and sports depending on whether the executive is a TJ 1 or TJ 2.

ur talking about 10kw's at the fly that extra power would do didley ..

why dont we just wait to see what the outcome of the drags are.. i really think he should pull a mid 15 just the same as the xr6

wait and see

ur talking about 10kw's at the fly that extra power would do didley ..

why dont we just wait to see what the outcome of the drags are.. i really think he should pull a mid 15 just the same as the xr6

wait and see

Okay I can't wait for the results :badgrin: (assuming he doesn't modify his car in the meantime or already has).

The reality is there are only two 3.5L 4speed automatics on the AMC registry. Both were the lighter TH model. One was modified (at least I think so, TH SMOKER), and the other ran a 15.9 in great conditions and in a lighter can than a TJ Magna.

of course the TJ will come close, hell it might even beat it, people think "oh ,its RWD, of course it will beat it."

FWD usually has the advantage in low powered cars.

Go Mitsu:)

My xr6 is a manual and my mates TJ is only the 4spd tippy. Unfortunately (well not 4 me :P) by the time we get to drag i will have a full exhaust system including a set of competition extractors as well as some bosh super 4 pulgs and a few intake mods, so it won't be completely stock. And to make matters worse the guy is putting like 100kgs of audio set up in his car at the moment. Both cars in stock form i reckon it would be a very close drag and would come down to a lot of driver skill, just amkes it more interesting i suppose :D

I was too dissappointed with it to throw it onto the 1/4 mile register (maybe thats why there are so few autos on there) - but my 'modded' TJII 4spd tippy wasn't able to put down any better than a 15.51 at Willowbank in December just gone (hot+humid).

If your mates is a 5spd auto (which I doubt - or it would be a 'sports' or higher) with absolutely no modifications your XR6 should have it. Having said that..... it should be a fairly 'close' race.

Hey Black Beard, 15.5 is still a respectable time for an auto but having said that it depends on what "modifications" you say you've done. Like i said dude, my mates is only the 4 spd tippy, I don't know a great lot about the 4spd to know if it's a good ratio box or not tho.

The XR6 would munch it over the quarter mile. No question. A stock automatic TJ executive WILL not run 15.4 seconds of the quarter mile. No way.

This test proved the automatic ran 16.7 seconds.http://www.mynrma.com.au/magna-tj_mitmagtj_specs.asp

EF Falcon Gli (not even XR6 model) did 16.3 seconds.
http://www.mynrma.com.au/falcon-ef-gli_fordfalcef_specs.asp

I would expect an automatic TJ Magna would run around 16 seconds flat. Sure the manual is a lot different, but automatic Magnas have never been fast. VRX/Sports model can probably do around 15.5 if they are lucky in auto. TH 3.5 probably around 15.7 since they are lighter. TJ auto would prob do a 16 flat, but may do high 15s with a good driver and freak car.

It also depends if its the 4 speed auto or 5 speed auto. The 4 speed auto would get blown away by the 164kw XR6.

hay buddy i ran a 15.4 in with just a cat back exhaust and pannel filter in my advance 3.5L and mine is a normal auto not triptronic

My tiptronic VRX ran a 15.3 i think it was or might have been a 15.5.


That was with extractors and catback exhaust. The EF will most likely beat it.. (if the engine is in good condition)

Hey Black Beard, 15.5 is still a respectable time for an auto but having said that it depends on what "modifications" you say you've done. Like i said dude, my mates is only the 4 spd tippy, I don't know a great lot about the 4spd to know if it's a good ratio box or not tho.

Nah the ratios are crap for accelleration. I could have just about done the 1/4 mile in 1st and 2nd. IIRC - shifted to 3rd in the last 50 or so metres before the finish line (if that).

In retrospect - 15.5 wasn't bad considering, I was just delusional about what the time the car should have been able to get with that level of mods. The mods on the car at the time are listed in my profile....... they've all since been transferred onto a 5spd manual TJII, and needless to say the results have been much more 'dramatic' :D

Nah the ratios are crap for accelleration. I could have just about done the 1/4 mile in 1st and 2nd. IIRC - shifted to 3rd in the last 50 or so metres before the finish line (if that).

In retrospect - 15.5 wasn't bad considering, I was just delusional about what the time the car should have been able to get with that level of mods. The mods on the car at the time are listed in my profile....... they've all since been transferred onto a 5spd manual TJII, and needless to say the results have been much more 'dramatic' :D


Hey all,
Just had a look at the quarter times list. The Ralliart Magna's don't seem to post better times then the other Magna's??? Is this right??? I thought the Ralliart's with their 180KW, and LSD on manual's would atleast post a little better?
Any Ralliart owners got any comments?
And what about AWD owners? I'm thinking they must be slower with all that extra weight etc, but surely some good modded ones exist?

bottom line(s)

kingkezza- you will win but only because your manual and he is auto

Vp Vanquish- please do not quote reviews with rudiculous 400m times :P lol

Wilsact- The one ralliart on the registry ran a flat 14! the only car that comes close is jason's TH which has more done to it than a ralliart. The next car is 4 tenths away which is about 6 car lenths

gremlin posted a 14.6? from his stock ralliart first trip out?

This is a bit of a coincidence... the Police ran mock drags on Australia Day, to test the airports surface (before the Gascoyne Drags in March), 4 of us were invited to have a go (members of the drag commitee)...

...no times, but I absolutley blew away my mates VX (this thing is awesome... http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2114473) and an EL. Dead level with both cars until 6o, and then boooom, the TJ breaks free. Cant wait to get some real times down however. All cars only mods were pacies and exhaust, same as me. All were auto. Kind of a useless story without times though.

:confused:

If your friend's 3.5 doesn't get your EL off the mark,they just may reign you in at 100+ and definately will above 180 which is what the EL's are limited to. I have a stock TJ 4 speed auto and I raced my mates brothers AU XR8 auto ute which had extractors, runs on premo and a big firey twin dumping zorst. :badgrin: The low down shove of the XR8 gave it the initial lead, but I started to reign it in at the 90-100 mark in 2nd gear. These Ford 6's and 8's don't like to rev and this is where the 3.5 comes into it's own. Just got to give the little maggie a chance. :eh:

If your friend's 3.5 doesn't get your EL off the mark,they just may reign you in at 100+ and definately will above 180 which is what the EL's are limited to. If you reach 180kph on the strip in a stock TJ you probably missed the 400m marker and are about to crash into the wall at the end of the track lol

i think ythink your taking into account the falcons I6 is a 4L with alot of torqe, falcon will make ground mid/late on a magna track

What about the 15.982 3.0L auto with just a cat back exhaust, and removing the frontmost rubber strip under the bonnet? It was with standard intake filter and piping, but in cool conditions, but shows that most 3.5l autos should be able to beat that figure.

Note that I found that there WAS benefit in manually holding 1st a little more than the standard shift point - not sure if there'd be as much without the modded exhaust though.

Cheers,

Dave


a 3l manual is faster than a 3.5L auto so I don't know where you got that from?

A lot of members on this forum classify muffler, air filter, etc as stock which it isn't. Bog stock as a rock, a 3.5L automatic Magna won't run 15.4. Also, there is not one TJ 3.5L automatic in the quarter mile registry which isn't a VRX or Sports, so there isn't a exact match of the car in question in the registry.

PhilsTH got 15.867 in the lighter TH model, which is pretty much on par with my estimation of 16 seconds flat for the TJ. Note that the air temperature was 14 degrees, and the track temperature 19 degrees, so very good conditions too.

Killer ran a 16.04 in a 3L auto. Only he had a lighter car than a TJ 3.5L, with mods including CAI, K & N air filter, RPW HiFlo TB, RPW HPC Headers, Large middle resonator and a XForce Stainless muffler. These mods would definitely make it more powerful than a stock 3.5L in my opinion.

If your friend's 3.5 doesn't get your EL off the mark,they just may reign you in at 100+ and definately will above 180 which is what the EL's are limited to. I have a stock TJ 4 speed auto and I raced my mates brothers AU XR8 auto ute which had extractors, runs on premo and a big firey twin dumping zorst. :badgrin: The low down shove of the XR8 gave it the initial lead, but I started to reign it in at the 90-100 mark in 2nd gear. These Ford 6's and 8's don't like to rev and this is where the 3.5 comes into it's own. Just got to give the little maggie a chance. :eh:

Dude, Tickford EF's and EL's don't have a speed limiter, and if they do it's nothing below 200 because I've had mine up to 200 before. And even if it did have a limiter no way is it going to reach 180 by 400m (neither is the magna). The Ford's might not rev as hard (only 500rpm difference in redlines mind you), but they also have a lot of torque behind them. The fact that mine is manual and his is auto is a huge advantage in my direction, and if his was a manual I do reckon he'd beat me.

i think ythink your taking into account the falcons I6 is a 4L with alot of torqe, falcon will make ground mid/late on a magna track

its interesting you know, looking at that ford 1/4 mile registry, most of the I6's have good 60 foot times, but the same and sometimes lower MPH than many of the 3.5L (and some 3.0L ;) magnas.

This would suggest the magnas have just as good top end as the big 4.0L's

yeah i remember jason telling me he had a go with a falcon which beat him by half a second he did a very low 14 yet he had a higher trap speed

maybe magnas have the advantage of being lighter, but it is a fact the I6 is a very good engine lots of torq

yeah i remember jason telling me he had a go with a falcon which beat him by half a second he did a very low 14 yet he had a higher trap speed

maybe magnas have the advantage of being lighter, but it is a fact the I6 is a very good engine lots of torqthat probably comes down to traction. A car running a slow time with a high trap speed is often an indication of traction problems.

yup dont we know it .... curse FWD's lol

that probably comes down to traction. A car running a slow time with a high trap speed is often an indication of traction problems.

yep, and with that example i think it shows that Jason has more power, but cant get it to the ground as effectively.

Although i wasnt looking at ET's when i compared the MPH's of the magnas and falcon, cos, in theory, MPH is going to remain fairly consistant despite traction problems (and slower ET's). Ie, you can spin for first 10 metres for 2 second but you still have the same 390m to get to your trap speed as you do when you launch well, if that makes any sense :P

yep, and with that example i think it shows that Jason has more power, but cant get it to the ground as effectively.

Although i wasnt looking at ET's when i compared the MPH's of the magnas and falcon, cos, in theory, MPH is going to remain fairly consistant despite traction problems (and slower ET's). Ie, you can spin for first 10 metres for 2 second but you still have the same 390m to get to your trap speed as you do when you launch well, if that makes any sense :Pper car, yeah.. as in Jason should always cross with about the same speed regardless of his ET, assuming his gear changes are consistant and stuff.

mmm not sure about that ...

with a powerful RWD u cant squeeze the gas much harder without breaking traction and there for gain speed earlier and faster

where as a powerful FWD may not be able to give it full gas til mid track ( ok has to be very powerful FWD for that) and therefor could have a slower trap speed simple cos it has to accelarate less up a certain point or will light it up ...

probably not relatvent in this case maybe more relavent for say a 200 kw atws magna and falcon instead of stockers

mmm not sure about that ...

with a powerful RWD u cant squeeze the gas much harder without breaking traction and there for gain speed earlier and faster

where as a powerful FWD may not be able to give it full gas til mid track ( ok has to be very powerful FWD for that) and therefor could have a slower trap speed simple cos it has to accelarate less up a certain point or will light it up ...

probably not relatvent in this case maybe more relavent for say a 200 kw atws magna and falcon instead of stockers

well as cthulhu pointed out i was only talking on a per car basis.

However, you still have to remember that just say a falcon guns it right from the word go with consistant acceleration.....If a magna gets a slower start cos of traction, its behind but its also going to have more of the track left to get up to speed. Might loose the race but cross the line at higher MPH, and that has to mean a more powerful top end....

well as cthulhu pointed out i was only talking on a per car basis.

However, you still have to remember that just say a falcon guns it right from the word go with consistant acceleration.....If a magna gets a slower start cos of traction, its behind but its also going to have more of the track left to get up to speed. Might loose the race but cross the line at higher MPH, and that has to mean a more powerful top end....

Consider that theoretially that either in consideration can can spin its wheels under full acceleration for the first 300 feet (if they were powerful enough, even though in this case neither cars will be). By the time the car gains traction the speed they are travelling at will be less than the car under controlled-wheelspin acceleration. So with the remaining track left, the car which broke out into wheelspin has less time to reach the same trap speed as the non-wheelspin car. Assuming both cars can pull a fairly close ET, not only is the car with less wheelspin going to get a better start, they will also cross the 400m line at a greater trap speed. If the magna does have a higher top end than the falcon, some time will be made late track, but the trap speed may still be lower than the falcons if the magna has traction problems early track.

My mate has a Tickford enhanced EL Falcon GLI Manual and that thing loves to rev up in the highend and it only has a panel filter and a catback exhaust with one of the best notes I've heard from a falcon and that thing can move but still has problems getting in front of my Manual TJ Sports and I can't change gears for crap.
When I'm better we are planning on taking them both down to the drags to see how they go.

Hey Kingkezza.. ever looked at doing any serious mods to your car? Something like the Jim Mock Motorsport kits?

gremlin posted a 14.6? from his stock ralliart first trip out?

He has been to the track in his sports plenty of times..

14.6 is so overratted anyway..:P

Hey Kingkezza.. ever looked at doing any serious mods to your car? Something like the Jim Mock Motorsport kits?

hey mate, i really want a dev 5 kit from jim mock, but for now i gotta stick to basic mods because of limited funds while i'm still at uni :(

He has been to the track in his sports plenty of times..

14.6 is so overratted anyway..:P

haha true i have been on the track plenty of times.. but i still reckon the ralliart has more in it stock.. 14.5 maybe 14.4

haha true i have been on the track plenty of times.. but i still reckon the ralliart has more in it stock.. 14.5 maybe 14.4It's interesting that MMAL/Ralliart themselves only boasted 14.7 from a manual car. Usually manufacturers will overstate car performance.

14.4 from a stock ralliart is Mc-crazy... thats getting into stock xr6t town

14.4 from a stock ralliart is Mc-crazy... thats getting into stock xr6t town

fair call.. probably wont do it then! :)

i just didnt feel like i got the perfect launch etc etc when i ran the 14.6

also, tzaboy was running 14.001 with only minor mods at the time (extractors, rear canon, unichip...i probably forget something hmmm)

reckon those 3 mods alone would take off 0.6 from your 1/4 time?

It's interesting that MMAL/Ralliart themselves only boasted 14.7 from a manual car. Usually manufacturers will overstate car performance.

not from what ive seen.... most manufacturers times ive seen have been beaten cause we do things like run basically no fuel, take things out of the car to get rid of weight ie spare wheel

also, tzaboy was running 14.001 with only minor mods at the time (extractors, rear canon, unichip...i probably forget something hmmm)

reckon those 3 mods alone would take off 0.6 from your 1/4 time?TZABOY's car was also the pre-production show car, right? so maybe it got a bit of extra goodness. Jasons VRX might know..

TZABOY's car was also the pre-production show car, right? so maybe it got a bit of extra goodness. Jasons VRX might know..

yeh thats been suggested b4.. but on the dyno i dont think that seem'd to be the case...

I always run my car in full street trim (No slicks or any trim removed etc etc). My last drag runs were done with my car weighing 1638kgs, hell my dads old ED XR6 manual only weighed 1580! and that ran a flat 15 bog stock.

Stock ralliart manuals were recording between 135 and 140kws @ the wheels when we built them.

i've eaten every auto EL/EF XR6 and tickford fairmonts i've come across... they seem reaaaly sluggish off the line, and take a while to catch up!! a couple of years ago when my car was still auto, we were coming back from the drags... so of course i was in the mood for a few runs.

there was a guy next to me in a tickford fairmont, who wanted to give me a run... he was quite surprised how much i beat him by, standing and rolling starts. of course he asked what i'd done to the car, which was only the pod filter and rear muffler... he was quite surprised!!

14.4 from a stock ralliart is Mc-crazy... thats getting into stock xr6t townGetting yes, but still far away. - It should have had the engine performance of a XR6T though..

Thats still .5 seconds off a stock xr6t (auto)..

Manual pulls 14.1

.3 - .4 seconds is still 2 car lengths (big difference on a 1/4mile)

.3 - .4 seconds is still 2 car lengths (big difference on a 1/4mile)

i think the point he was getting at is that 0.4 of a second is NOT a big difference when comparing a 3.5L NA to a 4.0L Turbo :P but yes yes i know, the Ford is a heavy mofo :roll:

regardless, 95% of the general public would be surprised the Ralliart isnt that much slower than a XR6T (both stock)

also I would regard 2 car lenghts for 1-100km/h to be a big difference, but not 1/4 mile :confused:

i've eaten every auto EL/EF XR6 and tickford fairmonts i've come across... they seem reaaaly sluggish off the line, and take a while to catch up!! a couple of years ago when my car was still auto, we were coming back from the drags... so of course i was in the mood for a few runs.

there was a guy next to me in a tickford fairmont, who wanted to give me a run... he was quite surprised how much i beat him by, standing and rolling starts. of course he asked what i'd done to the car, which was only the pod filter and rear muffler... he was quite surprised!!

The E-series auto had pretty nasty ratios, with a very tall 1st gear, and all models had the same ratio box including tickford models. The xr6 and tickford fairmonts did have the advantage of the 3.45 diff over the standard 3.08 though, but the manual was still a much nicer match to the 3.45 diffs. Also fairmonts weigh a fair bit more than just the standard falcon or xr6... you pay a price for luxury :P Anyway sorry to stray, this is a Magna forum :D

The E-series auto had pretty nasty ratios, with a very tall 1st gear, and all models had the same ratio box including tickford models. The xr6 and tickford fairmonts did have the advantage of the 3.45 diff over the standard 3.08 though, but the manual was still a much nicer match to the 3.45 diffs. Also fairmonts weigh a fair bit more than just the standard falcon or xr6... you pay a price for luxury :P Anyway sorry to stray, this is a Magna forum :D


nah dont be, i find it very interesting what other 6's are all about... is why i browse through falcon and commo forums now and then

Just thought id comment my mate has a EL 6 with pacemakers zorst filter and cai and it moves after 50km nearly running down a 5litre ss from 70km-170odd

five litre SS's aint all that though, take a look at the specs for a VS clubsports stock ... to to impressive really

five litre SS's aint all that though, take a look at the specs for a VS clubsports stock ... to to impressive really
I used to have one (VR), I would expect a VRX to beat it.

i've run a VT 5.0L SS auto up to a decent speed and it was a very marginal win to me. He was surprised when i told him it was only a 3.0L :D

Although, modded 5.0L commo's CAN move, as can modded 4.0L manual falcons :)

a mate has a VS clubby .. manual ... i told him id give him a real good run if it was stock .. dont think he believed me ..

but yeah this thing is nuts would beat me easy ... i ges thats just it, even though a standard vrx could be side by side with a VS clubby ... slightly mod both cars and the power of the V8 takes over

Just thought id comment my mate has a EL 6 with pacemakers zorst filter and cai and it moves after 50km nearly running down a 5litre ss from 70km-170odd

Myself and another member on this forum, Mitsubeasty both know a guy with an EL xr6, he's got extractors, 3" exhaust and shaved head and he runs a 15 flat and from memory at our dyno day he got 183rwhp which was 15 or so above most of the 3.5's, so yeah a lot of potential there. Only problem is they need to drop a few kilos :P

Matthius

Although, modded 5.0L commo's CAN move, as can modded 4.0L manual falcons :)
Absolutely! There's a worked VN up here in Darwin that, with nitrous, runs 10.8 all day every day. It's mad. I've never seen it run without the gas, but I believe he's deep into the 12s anyway.

would that have the 5.7L conversion in it ? ... if not DAMN must have some serious work done to it to be pulling low 12's with out nos ..:O

would that have the 5.7L conversion in it ? ... if not DAMN must have some serious work done to it to be pulling low 12's with out nos ..:O

It would have to have some massive work done to be pulling 12's....

Possibly a 6.0L conversion??? Would have to be the first if it was...

It's still running the 5L block.. I couldn't say with any level of certainty whether it's been stroked to 5.7L or what he's done, but it's damn quick either way :) Also for sale last time I saw it.

Damn!

I think we all secretly would love a V8 to have a fang around in every now and then... I miss my V8's...

:cry:

regardless, 95% of the general public would be surprised the Ralliart isnt that much slower than a XR6T (both stock)


While true, the average joe looks at kw ratings and cost.. 240 is deemed far more impressive than 180 and the XR6T was 2k cheaper.. (even though its heavier).

Simple case scenario on a "Ralliart isnt that much slower than a XR6T (both stock)"
My XR6T stock was still running faster times than TZABoy's modified car (.2 and .3 seconds faster) at mm05. And it was a hot night which is pretty bad for turbo/intercooler cars.

14.01 (xr6t)
14.2 or .3 (tzaboys ralliart)

Take away the mods and the gap is even bigger.

The only current family sedan to give my XR6T a run for its money is the SS and maloo's

Myself and another member on this forum, Mitsubeasty both know a guy with an EL xr6, he's got extractors, 3" exhaust and shaved head and he runs a 15 flat and from memory at our dyno day he got 183rwhp which was 15 or so above most of the 3.5's, so yeah a lot of potential there. Only problem is they need to drop a few kilos :P

Matthius

Falcon 6's can be under-rated. My cousins (brothers) both have 6cyl AU's, one has a manual and the other an auto.

The auto ran a best of 15.5-6 when it had pacemaker extractors with full exhaust and K&N filter, he has since fitted an LSD with 3.7's (yet to run it though, he's waiting for a shift kit).

His brother with the manual only has an LSD with 3.7's and has run a best of 15 flat, now thats a decent time for an otherwise stock AU falcon.

a mate has a VS clubby .. manual ... i told him id give him a real good run if it was stock .. dont think he believed me ..

but yeah this thing is nuts would beat me easy ... i ges thats just it, even though a standard vrx could be side by side with a VS clubby ... slightly mod both cars and the power of the V8 takes over


well... as it just so happens, my mate just bought a VS SS 5.0 auto. and i happened to pull up along side him on the way home from work last night. what a coincidence! strangely enough i was a car length ahead by 110... his previous cars include a VN SS, VL SV88 and VS Caprice 5.0, so i'm guessing he knows how to drive a V8 properly!

also I would regard 2 car lenghts for 1-100km/h to be a big difference
Same.

but not 1/4 mile :confused:
That's about .25 of a second.