ok ok guys i know, before u say use the search button or ffs not another cai thread! :rant:

Just want to clarify something, if i run a 90mm pipe from the front of the air filter as in leave the filter in etc run it down the bottom of the engine to the front and fix it with a bracket is that considered good enough? I dont want to play with the engine management or stuff anything up..

Thanks :D

As Dyno proven by numerous members, CAI such as the one you suggested have absolutely no preformance gain whatsoever.

I don't want to be a party-pooper, but you are better spending your $5 on something else.

Actually if you remove the factory snorkel and plug the pipe into its hole (as in, leave the front of the airbox exactly where it is) then this kind of CAI has dyno proven effectiveness to the value of up to 5kW ATW.

My PVC based CAI cost me $20 to set up and netted the above value combined with other mods.

Well where do u guys get ur stuff from? Bunnings sells it in 10 metre lots and sells 50 65 or 100mls. Dont want 10 metres... Supercheap has stuff but 33 bucks for that plastic looks a bit how u doin. Where do u guys get this stuff from? im on the gold coast

Actually if you remove the factory snorkel and plug the pipe into its hole (as in, leave the front of the airbox exactly where it is) then this kind of CAI has dyno proven effectiveness to the value of up to 5kW ATW.

Prove it.

As Dyno proven by numerous members, CAI such as the one you suggested have absolutely no preformance gain whatsoever.

I don't want to be a party-pooper, but you are better spending your $5 on something else.




Prove it.where r u basing this from? ...CAI is never going to be a big power mod everyone knows that, but the more mods u do the more u will gain from a good CAI system. Plus it increase's response and make its a lil more rev happy

heres proof B4 and after , but then i ges u will say different dyno different conditions, but it was done on the same dyno, on different days with very similar weather conditions, and then someone will say its just proving an in accuracy in the dyno..

so take it or leave it, thats the best proof u can possibly get

the only mods differing between the 2 charts was a flowed TB and CAI

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/FNFAT6/dyno1.gif
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/FNFAT6/dyno3.gif

the only mods differing between the 2 charts was a flowed TB and CAI



RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

wtf? :S whats that mean? .... theres no way a flowed TB is ever going to make u more power:S ... its still 65mm and if it does make power then its going to be so so minimal..


so ur actually denying that the CAI i had fitted on my car )even though i have dyno proof and the car did feel faster) was cmpletely useless? ..:S ..






ok ok guys i know, before u say use the search button or ffs not another cai thread! :rant:

Just want to clarify something, if i run a 90mm pipe from the front of the air filter as in leave the filter in etc run it down the bottom of the engine to the front and fix it with a bracket is that considered good enough? I dont want to play with the engine management or stuff anything up..

Thanks :D

thats exactly what i was planning on doing .. reason being im sick of the pod filter noise and now that ive been defected i see thibgs in a new light and want thing a lil more stealth..
ive had a good look at it and u shou;ld be able to run the piping down to the lower grill right next to the fog light, i think thats best place to have it as the air will being flowing right into it feedng it a good amount of cold air ..

i reckon if u put 2 tiny holes in the piping ( u mean the flexi stuff right?) get 2 zip ties and run it through the hole and then around one of the fins of the vent to hold the piping in should be ok .. just make sure i cut off all the excess of the zip tie so its not noticable..

also maybe invest in a good panel filter?

Prove it.I did. You just weren't there.

The first time I took my car to Street Torque was to get my cylinder heads flowed. At the time I had 90mm PVC runing from the front of the airbox, through two 90 deg bends down to the back of the front bumper.

Anyway, after the heads were ported we did an 'after' dyno run. Power had picked up by 6kW ATW over stock, that was with the factory ECU. That's not important though.

What is important is that Dallas took the PVC out and replaced it with the factory snorkel which I'd brought down with me. Peak power dropped by 5kW ATW on the next power run. Took the snorkel out and threw in the PVC again, peak power went straight back up to its previous value. These dyno runs were done back to back in the space of 5 minutes.

Running a little on the rich side. One thing i did notice with the CAI the mixtures leaned out at the topend a little which in turn gives you the power increase. If it ran a little leaner up top im sure there would be an increase in performance.

Regards

So what your saying is - you don't have proof.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that i have seen evidence to the contrary.

i gave u proof in the the other page ... what more can u possibly do to prove CAI can have a positive effect

So what your saying is - you don't have proof.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that i have seen evidence to the contrary.Explain to me how I'm saying I don't have proof when I just demonstrated I have empirical evidence to back up my statement?

That you don't believe me is an entirely different issue.

Stonesour - your dyno graph shows CAI AND FLOWED THROTTLE BODY. You can't say for certain that ALL the gains weren't made from the throttle body.

Explain to me how I'm saying I don't have proof when I just demonstrated I have empirical evidence to back up my statement?

That you don't believe me is an entirely different issue.

No - you have what is called hearsay.

Stonesour - your dyno graph shows CAI AND FLOWED THROTTLE BODY. You can't say for certain that ALL the gains weren't made from the throttle body.


ur kidding dude!? urtrying to tell us that a flowed TB can make 9 kw's atw's ?:S ... do u have any idea what a flowed TB is? ...

ill remind u .. there is a very small inner lip that has been taken out near the butterfly, but the whole TB diametre is still the same... not going to get any power out of that !!

yet u think the TB could make all that extra power by removing a tiny lip, and the CAI which was 90mm piping sucking in cold air and more of it wouldnt be making any power at all?:S

ooooooook

im starting to think ur just disagreeing for the hell of it, nothing ur saying is making any sense

ur kidding dude!? urtrying to tell us that a flowed TB can make 9 kw's atw's

No - i'm saying that you can't tell me that the CAI made a definate differance as it was not the only thing that was changed ie there was other variables.

No - you have what is called hearsay.hearsay, by definition, means I have this information second hand. This is clearly not true since I was there watching him do it and reading the numbers off the dyno display all on my very own.

What I have is called empirical evidence of a reproducable phenomenon.

No - i'm saying that you can't tell me that the CAI made a definate differance as it was not the only thing that was changed ie there was other variables.



i bet u think elvis and tupac are still alive

Just take a deep breath :D

NOW - what i am saying is that particular dyno graph is not a DEFINATE indicator that the CAI works and gains power.

I am NOT saying on your car the CAI did not make some kind of gain.

If you had a dyno graph where the CAI was the ONLY thing that had changed and you gained KW - then this would be conclusive proof.

Make sense?

but a flowed TB does not make an y extra power... please tell me how u think its going to make an extra 9kw's?


if ur going to be that technical and nit picky should i tell u what brand my petrol was for each dyno run and when my last service was for each dyno ?:S

dude seriously both me and cthulhu have been able to verify proof that CAI systems do have a positive effect, we have done the mods and had dyno's to support that ...... have u ever done this mod to ur car ? .. and had it dyno'd ?

If you had a dyno graph where the CAI was the ONLY thing that had changed and you gained KW - then this would be conclusive proof.Oh good! So you concede that my experiment yielded conclusive proof. Thank goodness for that. :dancin:

But you don't have a dyno graph now do you fool!

Well the dyno graph was generated, and even saved to disk, it just wasn't printed. There's a high probability I could get a copy printed and post it up here just to slap you down a peg or two, but it seems like a lot of work to go through just to convince one person.

TL-R: Seems to me that there are 2 member in this thread (both of whom's opinions on the topic of modified magnas, I personally think quite highly of) claiming to evidence of results contrary to what you have claimed:



As Dyno proven by numerous members, CAI such as the one you suggested have absolutely no preformance gain whatsoever.

So how about you prove it!!?

Read this thread (and the first post at the top of the link provided).

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30132&page=2&pp=10

I thought there was a dyno graph somewhere on there - but i must have been mistaken.

Read this thread (and the first post at the top of the link provided).oh.. so your proof is hearsay :P

I'm sure you noticed that most of that thread is talking about a completely different method of changing the intake tract? There's also Tim-E's results of beating his previous best time by 0.24sec which contradicts gremlin's observations.

It sounds a lot like you don't want to believe that this mod can do anything.

Tell me why the test that I did in Alice Springs on the dyno is flawed. And I'm not prepared to accept "you haven't posted a dyno sheet therefore it's all lies" as a valid response.

I am NOT saying on your car the CAI did not make some kind of gain.

If you had a dyno graph where the CAI was the ONLY thing that had changed and you gained KW - then this would be conclusive proof.

Make sense?

Same response as before.

lol so TL-R ur making assumption because 1 person didnt feel any gain from their CAI they had ALL the CAI on all magnas dont work ? ... who's making assumptions lol

look bottom line, any mod that allows the engine to suck air in at a colder temp is going to have a positive effect,

have u tryed it on ur car? ...as i said b4 the more u mod ur car the more ur CAI will give back to u

Not quite. I have tried this (CAI) on a number of vehicles - R31 Skyline, Suzuki Swift GTI, Subaru Impreza RX and it has had no improvement what so ever (dyno proven on Skyline and swift).

On the Magna - the factory snorkle is sucking in the air at the same temp as the CAI would be.

so those cars u have listed are basically small 4cyl engines which would not get much power gain out of a set of headers let alone CAI ..... with the exception to the R31... im asuming was an RB30.. as opposed to RB20DET cos saying CAI in a turbo car dont work is just plain dumb...


ever thought maybe ur methods were not the best maybe?

also its hard to prive it on a dyno because u only have a big fan pushing air to ur car ... not exactly like driving at 60kms is it ?

Exactly right which is one point i was about to make.

Taking a step back though....is it really worth cutting up your airbox and putting some sort of mounting bracket in to gain MAYBE 5rwkw?

I personally don't think so. As i said in my original post - he is best spending his moeny elsewhere......maybe on a mars bar or something.

Same response as before.But, dude, I do have a dyno graph. And the only thing that changed between the three dyno runs was the piece of pipe attached to the standard opening at the front of the airbox. I just don't have a copy of it.

Also, FWIW, there's no cutting or mangling of the airbox required. The factory snorkel just pulls off.

Taking a step back though....is it really worth cutting up your airbox and putting some sort of mounting bracket in to gain MAYBE 5rwkw?


5 bucks for 5 kw's ... yes.. thats very worth it i think

But, dude, I do have a dyno graph.

But, dude, we haven't seen your dyno graph. :D

Just thought I would add my 2 cents worth. I have a TE Magna which I recently fitted a CAI to. I was also lucky enough to have a dyno performed before the CAI was fitted and also after it was fitted.

I have attached the dyno graph and I think the results speak for themselves - the kw gain is obvious for all to see. The dyno was performed on my homemade dyno in the presence of my gran and my dog spot.

TL-R what more could you want?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c362/jamescharlton/dynograph-CAI.jpg

But, dude, we haven't seen your dyno graph. :DThat's true. You'll have to take it for granted that I'm not lying. I guess that's your choice. Just for the record, though, I'm not ;)

Just thought I would add my 2 cents worth. I have a TE Magna which I recently fitted a CAI to. I was also lucky enough to have a dyno performed before the CAI was fitted and also after it was fitted.

I have attached the dyno graph and I think the results speak for themselves - the kw gain is obvious for all to see. The dyno was performed on my homemade dyno in the presence of my gran and my dog spot.

TL-R what more could you want?
Hahaha!!!! Gold.

Okay, when my car was dyno tuned, the tuners said that I could gain 3-6kW from the right CAI. They didn't give me a sales pitch, they said that when they were tuning it without the snorkle (and nothing to replace it), they saw peak figures varying by 3-6kW at the wheels.

So, there's 4 long time members' experiences there. That's of more value than a dyno chart if you ask me.

p.s. a flowed throttle body will not give a boost in power, it's purely for throttle response.

My PVC based CAI cost me $20 to set up and netted the above value combined with other mods.


hmmmm

p.s. a flowed throttle body will not give a boost in power, it's purely for throttle response.


word to that :D

hahaha zomg all this poor bloke asked for was a simple adive to mount his CAI but instead he got 5 pages of post sayin CAI is good CAI is bad blah blah blah blah.

FiveFourV8 wat u have said on ur first post is good. jus run the pipe down to the front where u think u will be gettin cold forced air. as others have said the best place wiil be where the Fog lamp hole is. and dont by the CAI pipe from supercheap. i had that and it cant stand heat. and also get a K&N panel filter.

i thought CAI was usless as well but i gave it a go and to be honest i didnt feel ne preformance gain but i noticed my car was more rev happy and be4 the CAI after 5000rpm my car didnt feel like it could go more but after the CAI it jus reved like there was no 2moro.

TL-R u said u tried CAI on different cars but have u tried it on ur magna??? different car behave differantly to different mods so u might wanna try it in urs first then see wat u feel.

thats my 2c

Ash

hmmmmnow what?

See words in BOLD TYPE on the same post.

See words in BOLD TYPE on the same post.Yes, I read them. What are you implying? That I changed something besides CAI in my back to back dyno testing? I didn't. My car wasn't stock at the time I played with CAI, that's all. I had HPC coated RPW extractors, and as I mentioned before, my cylinder heads had just been flowed.

What are you implying? That I changed something besides CAI in my back to back dyno testing? I didn't. .

Sorry - just read your other post on the first page, where apparently you removed the CAI and then dyno'd.

give it a rest TL-R, you have no experience in modding the car in question.........he's obviously getting CAI and wanted to know if he could run the tube down to the front bar without messing around with anything else, He didn't ask you and all your wisdom whether CAI is worth it or not.

Umm whatever.

Hey Stonesour,

I've just had a closer look at your dyno graph, and apparently not only did you get a 9 fwkw increase in power from the CAI, but also a gain of 163.9nm in torque?

Care to explain?

Umm whatever.

Hey Stonesour,

I've just had a closer look at your dyno graph, and apparently not only did you get a 9 rwkw increase in power from the CAI, but also a gain of 163.9nm in torque?

Care to explain?

rwkw wtf??? magnas are front wheel drive dude.

Correct! My mistake.

at the end of the day, what a dyno says doesnt mean much when we are talking CAI's, as others have said, cos of the fact the car is Stationary and a dyno will never recognise the full affect CAI has on a car!

I felt a difference, my car went quicker at the drags, therefore i dont give a toss what you think TL-R and i dont think you should be forcing your opinion on others who want to give a CAI a go, when all you have to back it up is a couple of dyno's showing no increase. Means diddly squat!

And then to suggest its not worth the effort for a possible 5KW gain, well thats just ridiculous! $20 spent for a quarter of a second off my 1/4 mile is very worth it if you ask me!

you also need to remember that the CAI intake is off to the side and when the cars on the dyno the fan is usually concentrated at the radiator to simulate air flow at different speeds, i think CAI is a very worth while mod especially on a nice cool night.

stick to "what i've had to replace under warranty" and "i've bought a lemon" threads TL-R because you obviously don't belong in here dishing out technical advice which you heard second hand...

you also need to remember that the CAI intake is off to the side and when the cars on the dyno the fan is usually concentrated at the radiator to simulate air flow at different speeds, i think CAI is a very worth while mod especially on a nice cool night.

stick to "what i've had to replace under warranty" and "i've bought a lemon" threads TL-R because you obviously don't belong in here dishing out technical advice which you heard second hand...

Forget it - in TL-R's world, CAI's and turbos do nothing on magnas because the MAF sensor can only sense the mass of air, not the density of it :nuts:

i dont think you should be forcing your opinion on others who want to give a CAI a go,

I didn't realise i was doing this. I was posting my opinion - and so were other people. I wasn't forcing anyone to do anything.


dishing out technical advice

A piece of drainage pipe going to the airbox is hardly 'technical'.

you also need to remember that the CAI intake is off to the side and when the cars on the dyno the fan is usually concentrated at the radiator to simulate air flow at different speeds, i think CAI is a very worth while mod especially on a nice cool night.

stick to "what i've had to replace under warranty" and "i've bought a lemon" threads TL-R because you obviously don't belong in here dishing out technical advice which you heard second hand...


here here :clap:

and


Forget it - in TL-R's world, CAI's and turbos do nothing on magnas because the MAF sensor can only sense the mass of air, not the density of it

hahahahahaha lol

Ok - now you've hurt my feelings.

Ok - now you've hurt my feelings.


sorry dude but thats the effect uv had one every one with ur post. jus have a read through them and ull see.

Hay Guys,
i cant really say much cause im not in any position to say because i have only placed a K&N panel filter on my car, in relation to this key area, but i was reading through this thread and was wondering, is it possible to leave the stock snorkel on the car and run a pipe form the front bumper up into the bottom end of the snorkel so there so 2 forces of air coming into the air box at the same time if you understand.?Thanks.
It mite be possible but do you believ any improvement would b achieveable.? :)

if u still think ur right why not do this. jus for a weekend put a CAI in ur car ( see if sum1 wit a TL that has a CAI kit will let u borrow it for a day or 2) drive ur car and ull see the effects.

Hay Guys,
i cant really say much cause im not in any position to say because i have only placed a K&N panel filter on my car, in relation to this key area, but i was reading through this thread and was wondering, is it possible to leave the stock snorkel on the car and run a pipe form the front bumper up into the bottom end of the snorkel so there so 2 forces of air coming into the air box at the same time if you understand.?Thanks.
It mite be possible but do you believ any improvement would b achieveable.? :)


yes u can. theres a yellow supercharged vrx here that has that set up dun by sprintex.

A good suggestion - but i'd need to dyno it to make sure that's it's not just the 'placebo effect'.

A good suggestion - but i'd need to dyno it to make sure that's it's not just the 'placebo effect'.


dude as u read dyno dosnt show the full effect of a CAI. trust me ypu wont feel a placebo effect. if u know ur car well u will feel the differance. i know i have and i dun need no dyno to show me that.

I'm not confident that i'd feel a 5kw difference, but hey, i will definately give it a go.

Have some piping in the shed from a previous try on the skyline.

yes u can. theres a yellow supercharged vrx here that has that set up dun by sprintex.
You wouldn happen to know how the set up went do you like how the pipe was mounted to the underneath of the snorkel and how the cut was made into it by any chance do you thanks.!

A good suggestion - but i'd need to dyno it to make sure that's it's not just the 'placebo effect'.

i say bugger the dyno :P
I've never had my car on a dyno and i doubt i ever will unless it was for free or included in an install etc. I say take your car to the drags, where its not just power which determines your results, but skill (anyone can throw cash at their car and have it thrashed on a dyno and get good results)...

You wouldn happen to know how the set up went do you like how the pipe was mounted to the underneath of the snorkel and how the cut was made into it by any chance do you thanks.!


well from wat i know all u need is a 80mm flexi pipe and i think a 70mm PVC pipe say bout 10cm. i was plannin to do this myself and this is how i was gonna do mine.

remove the resonator bit and make the hole a lil bit bigger to accomodate the PVC pipe. plastic weld the PVC pipe to the hole and attach the flexi pipe to the PVC pipe and then run the flexi pipe to the bottom front end of the car. thats my dodgy DIY at home lol

Sounds good thanks will try that.The screws to take the bottom half off are weird they are like a cirle with three tiny little off cuts for a screw driver but when i go to turn it jus runis the screw so l8r when i try it wont work.! weird! any ideas.?

Sounds good thanks will try that.The screws to take the bottom half off are weird they are like a cirle with three tiny little off cuts for a screw driver but when i go to turn it jus runis the screw so l8r when i try it wont work.! weird! any ideas.?


get a drill and drill it out then get rubber plugs and block the hole off. i might do mine 2moro.

After the holes r drilled how should you mount the bottom sump bit back on..thats afta the screws have been drilled out.?

After the holes r drilled how should you mount the bottom sump bit back on..thats afta the screws have been drilled out.?


why would u want the bottom sump back on???

sorry my mistake, i was thinking that you could leave that on and place the pipin on the underneath of that and make the hole bigger that goes into the snorkel, but yea thats wat i was thinkin.sorry

hahaha zomg all this poor bloke asked for was a simple adive to mount his CAI but instead he got 5 pages of post sayin CAI is good CAI is bad blah blah blah blah.

FiveFourV8 wat u have said on ur first post is good. jus run the pipe down to the front where u think u will be gettin cold forced air. as others have said the best place wiil be where the Fog lamp hole is. and dont by the CAI pipe from supercheap. i had that and it cant stand heat. and also get a K&N panel filter.

i thought CAI was usless as well but i gave it a go and to be honest i didnt feel ne preformance gain but i noticed my car was more rev happy and be4 the CAI after 5000rpm my car didnt feel like it could go more but after the CAI it jus reved like there was no 2moro.

TL-R u said u tried CAI on different cars but have u tried it on ur magna??? different car behave differantly to different mods so u might wanna try it in urs first then see wat u feel.

thats my 2c

Ash

THANK YOU!!!!!!! All im asking is.... Where do u guys get ur stuff for ur DIY CAI???? I dont wanna go supercheap and the stuff from bunnings comes only in 10 metre lots.. I just want to know what i need. I understand i need a rubber flange from the front of the air filter to connect to the pipe then run it down to the fog lamp hole...

THANK YOU!!!!!!! All im asking is.... Where do u guys get ur stuff for ur DIY CAI???? I dont wanna go supercheap and the stuff from bunnings comes only in 10 metre lots.. I just want to know what i need. I understand i need a rubber flange from the front of the air filter to connect to the pipe then run it down to the fog lamp hole...I bought a 2m length of 90mm PVC storm pipe and cut it to size. I think I had more than 1m left over, so you might want to keep that in mind ;)

Then buy some 90deg PVC bends and hook it all up. I moulded a 90mm-100mm PVC adapter into the shape of the factory snorkel end to fit mine up to the airbox, but a rubber plumbing adapter would be much better.

Then buy some 90deg PVC bends and hook it all up. I moulded a 90mm-100mm PVC adapter into the shape of the factory snorkel end to fit mine up to the airbox, but a rubber plumbing adapter would be much better.

hehe, thats right, you did it exactly how i did it. I moulded the 100mm to 90mm adapter using a pot of water and a stove lol

The plumbing adapter is a neater fit im sure, but im skeptical about how much it decreases the inside diameter of the intake just before going into the airbox. For now i have my moulded adapter secured into place with velcro taped onto it which loops around the airbox clips :)

Cool... Where did u get ur pipes though. I went to bunnings and the PVC pipe comes in 50 65 and 100 mm widths.

Cool... Where did u get ur pipes though. I went to bunnings and the PVC pipe comes in 50 65 and 100 mm widths.

i got my stuff from Mitre 10. Only need one metre

I moulded the 100mm to 90mm adapter using a pot of water and a stove lolhaha lol same


Cool... Where did u get ur pipes though. I went to bunnings and the PVC pipe comes in 50 65 and 100 mm widths.hmm.. got mine from Bunnings :confused:

Did Guys After A Little Info,did U Conect T Pipe 2 T Box,if So What Did U Use 2 Seal It In

Did Guys After A Little Info,did U Conect T Pipe 2 T Box,if So What Did U Use 2 Seal It Incan you say that again without the abbreviations? lol I've got no idea what you're asking..

Umm whatever.

Hey Stonesour,

I've just had a closer look at your dyno graph, and apparently not only did you get a 9 fwkw increase in power from the CAI, but also a gain of 163.9nm in torque?

Care to explain?


dont show ur ignorance...... one was done in 3rd gear and the other was done in 4th gear ... i can even re scan the dyno charts and include the cars details if u really want ... PS i had the latter dyno chart done in 3rd and 4th gears and have charts for it

CAI can give u more power on the dyno as there is a big fan right infront of ur car blowing air ur way ..HOWEVER its not exactly simulating air flow at say 60kms .... 80kms etc but it is giving u a fair indication if ur CAI is working or not

Cool... Where did u get ur pipes though. I went to bunnings and the PVC pipe comes in 50 65 and 100 mm widths.


k dude do this. go to reece and ask for a 90mm plumbers adepter which will cost only $11 bucks. then go down to ur local truck machanecis and they should have all the piping u need and it will be also of better quality and prob cheaper. or jus order the flexi pipe of EZY Boy. iv sent him a PM regarding the pipe but his bit busy rite now with the new bub and his business so might ake a while for him to reply, but he has the goods. also DO NOT BUY CAI PIPE FROM SUPERCHEAP they cant stand the heat. i got mine from supercheap and for 2 hours all was good. the in the afternoon though id pop the bonnet to see hoes the CAI goin and it was all shriveled up and had a kink in it so i pulled it all out. so say no to supercheap.

Okay.. I'm searching for the dyno sheets.. So give me time..

Just a simple CAI onto a 3" Pod on an AW11 MR2 which runs the N/A Corolla engine and we got 3.7kW!

Will search for these dyno sheets.. its been a while.. So I don't have a clue where they are!

SuFz :rant:

dont show ur ignorance...... one was done in 3rd gear and the other was done in 4th gear ... i can even re scan the dyno charts and include the cars details if u really want ... PS i had the latter dyno chart done in 3rd and 4th gears and have charts for it


Oh, ok then. But wouldn't that make a difference in the kw reading also? Or does your other chart which is in the same gear show the same kw reading also?

Just thought I would add my 2 cents worth. I have a TE Magna which I recently fitted a CAI to. I was also lucky enough to have a dyno performed before the CAI was fitted and also after it was fitted.

I have attached the dyno graph and I think the results speak for themselves - the kw gain is obvious for all to see. The dyno was performed on my homemade dyno in the presence of my gran and my dog spot.

TL-R what more could you want?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c362/jamescharlton/dynograph-CAI.jpg

WOW! What CAI is that?? :bowrofl: lol

get a drill and drill it out then get rubber plugs and block the hole off. i might do mine 2moro.
Hey champ did ya get your's done today.?

Oh, ok then. But wouldn't that make a difference in the kw reading also? Or does your other chart which is in the same gear show the same kw reading also?


no cos ur still putting pout the same power with all gears, the only reason the torq figures r out cos its not a 1;1 ratio... power figures would be correct though

Hey champ did ya get your's done today.?


nope was workin. will try to get it dun asap but waiting for a PM from EZ Boy regardin the flexi pipe coz cat find the one his useing.

Ah ok fair enuf, well when ya get it done let us know it goes, should be doing mine over this weekend so yea. Have Fun!

I went to Mitre 10 this morning for the pipein but they said they dont sell it on the PVC stuff, so dissapointed u would think they would hav it, but not to worry, where else to try becoz i read bout it not to get it from super cheap cause it shrinks and wat not under heat so yea..!

Any plumbing supply shop should have the pipe.

I went and checked out heaps of hardware stores 2day and places like that including electrical places and couldn find much i only really found some stuff with slotted bit all through it so yea..!! is there anyone on here i can get some from or order from.??

DO NOT BUY CAI PIPE FROM SUPERCHEAP they cant stand the heat.

i second that, i had some supercheap cai piping for one night at the drags and my trap speed went from around 153km/h to 133km/h! because it got very hot next to my radiator hose and folded on itself, i thought i'd killed my car haha. took out the piping and ran a 14.9, so with a good setup on a cool night i'm expecting to go quicker than 14.9 :D

Hay Guys,
i cant really say much cause im not in any position to say because i have only placed a K&N panel filter on my car, in relation to this key area, but i was reading through this thread and was wondering, is it possible to leave the stock snorkel on the car and run a pipe form the front bumper up into the bottom end of the snorkel so there so 2 forces of air coming into the air box at the same time if you understand.?Thanks.
It mite be possible but do you believ any improvement would b achieveable.? :)

dude..i just did this on the weekend!!!! have had much testing time since but it feels like the engine is reving a little better.

i second that, i had some supercheap cai piping for one night at the drags and my trap speed went from around 153km/h to 133km/h! because it got very hot next to my radiator hose and folded on itself, i thought i'd killed my car haha. took out the piping and ran a 14.9, so with a good setup on a cool night i'm expecting to go quicker than 14.9 :D

i used that stuff. What i did was buy some heat reflective tape for it, and wrapped it up. little more expensive i guess ($25 for piple and $33 for tape)I bought an adaptor plate, cut a hole in the bottom of the stock intake and bolted on the adaptor from the inside, with the outlet joining the intake pipe. reattach the factory intake with addition CAI. I have a sports so i sorta left the bottom of the pipe sitting between the back of the front spoiler and the LH tow hook. doesnt seem to move at all.

Prove it.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18083

Done.

Matthius

Can't read the dyno sheet :gtfo:

:D

Can't read the dyno sheet :gtfo:

:D

I was taking your point of view all the way till I read this. That was a really weak excuse, the dyno sheet is clearly visible. Assuming that the only variable that has been introduced is the CAI and nothing but the CAI then I suppose this is valid evidence. I'd like to see a few more sheets from different cars using this exact same setup to prove it's reliable though (yes I'm being picky).

Only last thing is the rpm - shouldn't the power figures be taken at the exact same rpm, not 200 different? This could be considered another variable, it's just like saying I've gained 50kw atw but taking the readings at 3k and 6k rpm respectively.

Only last thing is the rpm - shouldn't the power figures be taken at the exact same rpm, not 200 different? This could be considered another variable, it's just like saying I've gained 50kw atw but taking the readings at 3k and 6k rpm respectively.

Those rpm are where the car produced it's peak power, the dyno measures over it's full rev range, the fact that it peaked 200rpm earlier indicates something else is the weakest link now, at that time most likely the stock exhaust system.

Matthius

I was taking your point of view all the way till I read this. That was a really weak excuse, the dyno sheet is clearly visible. Assuming that the only variable that has been introduced is the CAI and nothing but the CAI then I suppose this is valid evidence. I'd like to see a few more sheets from different cars using this exact same setup to prove it's reliable though (yes I'm being picky).





amen to that

I was taking your point of view all the way till I read this. That was a really weak excuse, the dyno sheet is clearly visible.

I was joking :D

I admit that if this was the only mod, the this is clear proof that a proper CAI setup may increase power (allbeit a small increase).

6kw ATW for $50 or less is a great gain. I have had a similar setup on my car for a while, it works really well. Good to see some numbers to confirm the perceived gain. http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16688&highlight=easy+cai

those dyno charts look weird, i'm noticeing the torque difference between them, one has 345 nm, the other 508nm, that needs explaination

I have heard that this could be because they were in a different gear. :D

Yes for stonesour they were in different gears: 3rd vs 4th.

oh ok, well i wish i had a car pulling 509 nm of torque, from first gear