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_stonesour_
26-01-2006, 06:58 PM
i posted a few weeks back that there MAY be a cheaper alternative to front coilovers for magnas, but i couldnt say as a mate had plans to see where he could take it,

well since then ive decided to sell my car so we cant test anything on my car and he hasnt shown anymore interest about it soooooo thought id let u all know so maybe someone interested could do some investigating themselves


anyways, we were swapping my springs over and 2 of my mates said how the front suspension set up was so similar to one of their A31 cefiro coilovers, (a31/r32 = same suspension) they did some asking around after that and FROM THE INFOMATION THEY RECIEVED it would appear that the front are direct bolt in!.. now my mate got his front coilovers for 300 bux!!

so possibly its a much cheaper alternative, it the information is wrong please dont go flaming me for it, only mentioning it because it seems like a strong possiblilty frm what ive been told

please dont ask me to many questions about it cos i really dont know much about the nitty gritty of it.

Mark H
27-01-2006, 09:03 AM
Very interesting....where did your mate purchase those coilovers from? :confused:

cthulhu
27-01-2006, 09:08 AM
It would be pretty weird if Nissan suspension bolted up to a Mitsubishi.. :doubt:

Mark H
27-01-2006, 09:25 AM
It would be pretty weird if Nissan suspension bolted up to a Mitsubishi.. :doubt:
I've heard of stranger things happening lol

SYNRGY
27-01-2006, 09:49 AM
well the suspension isnt made my nissan or mitsubishi

most car makers purchase suspension off macpherson dont they?

Dpack_1
27-01-2006, 09:53 AM
its not uncommon for different manufacturers (or thier parent companies) to interchange parts with other manufacturers (or parent companies).

Here in the states any Diamante (Mitsubishi made, Chrysler paid for)with the factory air ride suspension is actually cheaper to service with parts from newer Town Car (Lincoln made, Ford paid for).

Mark H
27-01-2006, 10:09 AM
most car makers purchase suspension off macpherson dont they?
Macpherson is the name given to the design of the suspension, it is named after the person who designed it. Anyone who is really interested in what a macpherson strut suspension system is can check out the following link for a pretty good description.

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/kitcar/kb.php?aid=120

cthulhu
27-01-2006, 10:12 AM
Here in the states any Diamante with the factory air ride suspension
:shock:

greenmatt
27-01-2006, 10:28 AM
Ive seen a few old struts on ebay from the air ride diamante.

Asylum
27-01-2006, 11:20 AM
i'd have to agree that it could be a high possibility, it would be eaiser for a manufacturer to adapt a suspension setup into a car during the design process, rather than a supplier changing all their machinery just to make a few minor adjustments to suit a certain application. same thing with stud patterns and caliper fitment, many models are interchangeable, just depends on who's tried it first if anyone knows about it!

_stonesour_
27-01-2006, 11:27 AM
anyone know if the if there a hotbits r32 coilover range?.. may be interesting?

teK--
27-01-2006, 11:51 AM
Just because it physically bolts in doesn't mean it's suitable. Remember damping and springrate may then be mismatched to the weight of the car.

Asylum
27-01-2006, 12:23 PM
Just because it physically bolts in doesn't mean it's suitable. Remember damping and springrate may then be mismatched to the weight of the car.

yeah theres that aswell, but i guess most people dont really mind.. (or care) the weight of the cars would be reasonably similar, and coilover would normally be a bit harder than standard lowered shocks/springs combinations

AFA
27-01-2006, 12:33 PM
I really wouldn't want to put something in my car that hasn't been designed or tested on my car just because it bolts straight in. As for people not caring about this, it would be pretty strange considering people would get this suspension to 'improve' the handling not make it worse.

Redav
27-01-2006, 01:18 PM
yeah theres that aswell, but i guess most people dont really mind.. (or care) the weight of the cars would be reasonably similar, and coilover would normally be a bit harder than standard lowered shocks/springs combinations
They should. This is something that would need to be properly engineer certified and not from the point of view that yes it fits and it's a tidy piece of handy work. Tek's spot on. It could / would throw the dynamics of the car out. The court won't car that it looked good or the novelty was cool with cross manufacturer parts swapping when you kill someone as a result. It could be as good as chopping your springs.

tommo
27-01-2006, 04:05 PM
Just because it physically bolts in doesn't mean it's suitable. Remember damping and springrate may then be mismatched to the weight of the car.
I agree that just throwing in something that fits isn't the best idea if it hasn't been engineered for that application, but I thought that you got coilovers because they allowed you to change the springrate and dampening. Also it isn't that hard to check a springrate using the formula
springrate = 11,250,000x(wire diameter)^4 / (8x(no. of active coils)(coil diameter)^3

I would be more worried about the geometry of the suspension as the skylines are desidned predominanty to be RWD whereas the magna is FWD

teK--
27-01-2006, 04:43 PM
I would be more worried about the geometry of the suspension as the skylines are desidned predominanty to be RWD whereas the magna is FWD

Another good point, is *effective* springrate, not just the springrate of the strut assembly. Effective springrate varies depending on linkage amount/location in a vehicle's suspension.

tommo
27-01-2006, 05:11 PM
Another good point, is *effective* springrate, not just the springrate of the strut assembly. Effective springrate varies depending on linkage amount/location in a vehicle's suspension.
Good point. One way to see if they would be a good mod i guess is to place them next to a magna specific set and see if they are the same. If not exactly the same I wouldn't touch them. The suspension is one of those areas that you don't wan't to just put any old **** in

_stonesour_
27-01-2006, 08:10 PM
yeah agree with all that has been said, the fronts i have been told are very very similar maybe even i dentical i dont know.. as i said im only getting this info 2nd and 3rd hand,


anyways i think it is worth looking into though

tommo
27-01-2006, 09:19 PM
For sure! If you could get a proper look at the two types, and they're the same........
:thumbsup: