As the title suggests.

I have been a Mitsubishi fan longer than some of the people on this forum have been alive.

But everytime there is a hint of negativity about the 380 the thread is close.
I agree that post, that fully put the 380 down should be stopped unless you have actually experience driving one - should be stop.

But why can't there be a sensible discuss of the 380 and views heard.
I honst don't mind the 380, base models are not that great looking. But name a car company that has good base model?

I hope Mitsubishi does stay alive in Australia. And Australian start to realise that Aussies make good cars.

Thats'my 2 cents

:stoopid:

FF

i agree that threads are closed too hastily

Hes right i dare not bring up the 380 full stop cause im never sure what sort of feed back im going to get hit with ...spose everyone on here is just sick of talking about it?? :confused:
dee

As the title suggests.

I have been a Mitsubishi fan longer than some of the people on this forum have been alive.

But everytime there is a hint of negativity about the 380 the thread is close.
I agree that post, that fully put the 380 down should be stopped unless you have actually experience driving one - should be stop.

But why can't there be a sensible discuss of the 380 and views heard.
I honst don't mind the 380, base models are not that great looking. But name a car company that has good base model?

I hope Mitsubishi does stay alive in Australia. And Australian start to realise that Aussies make good cars.

Thats'my 2 cents
I agree but a lot of the time the threads have a negative spin on them. This only escolates until the thread is closed. I wonder what the ratio of negative vs positive threads on the 380 there are? :think:

It's not when there's a negative on the car.

Personally I hate the 380. If you must know...I hope MMAL closes. So there you go. No bias towards the 380 from me.

The thing is there's nothing new brought to the table. It's the same old same old being said over and over and it's really irritating, that's why they get closed.

I couldn't care less if you like it or not.

Personally I hate the 380. If you must know...I hope MMAL closes. So there you go. No bias towards the 380 from me.

:shock:

FF

Yes...so terribly shocking...

Yes...so terribly shocking...
It may take people a while to get over this revelation! lol

It may take people a while to get over this revelation! lol
lol I haven't been hiding it...just noone's asked

Well that sums it up for me. If the 380 does not appeal to fans of Mitsubishi products, then what hope do Mitsubishi have of attracting non-Mitsubishi fans to buy this car?

FF

Personally I hate the 380. If you must know...I hope MMAL closes. So there you go. No bias towards the 380 from me.

:stoopid:

I still prefer my TL. lol

Just as much hope as attracting anyone else. I'm not a die hard Mitsu fan. I like cars as cars...not as brands.

what about the limited edition thread that got closed the other day... it wasnt being very negaitive or regurgitating

:stoopid:

I still prefer my TL. lol


i reckon the TL's even worse than the 380.........MMAL design team need someone to hit them in the head with a big sledge hammer, it'll either knock some sense into them or kill the bastards.....either way.

Just as much hope as attracting anyone else. I'm not a die hard Mitsu fan. I like cars as cars...not as brands.

Being an administrator of the AMC forums would make most people come to the conclusion that you are a die hard Mitsubishi fan. How else could you justify pouring so much time into this forum?

FF

what about the limited edition thread that got closed the other day... it wasnt being very negaitive or regurgitating

It was very repetitive "How many do you think they'll sell? Lets all speculate and not do anything constructive within this thread"

Been done over and over. If it was just a discussion about the features, fine. But it was all about guessing the sales...definitely happened plenty of times before.

its becuase someone see's a 380 and says how crap it looks...
crap like that, which clutters this forum with useless mumo jumbo
if someone actually owns one, or has driven one it has a basis.

but like 75% of them are "hee the rear looks bad on the 380" or "380 not going so good in sales"
etc etc

all crap

Being an administrator of the AMC forums would make most people come to the conclusion that you are a die hard Mitsubishi fan. How else could you justify pouring so much time into this forum?

FF

Fair enough conclusion to make, I understand.

I love my car...I love doing things to my car...I wanted to learn more about my car and this forum allows that. From that I learned a LOT, accomplished a lot and wanted to help out with advice and also weeding out people/posts/threads who make the forum an uninviting place to be.

I really like 2nd gens and 3rd gens (up to the TJ). There's still lots I dont know...so most of the time I lurk in the 3rd gen section and just read up.

As for being a die hard Mitsu fan in general, there's cars of theirs I like and cars I don't. To me a die hard fan means they like everything regardless...and I hate blind followers, I'm definitely not one of them. I want to see MMAL close so MMC can recover losses (atm MMAL is pretty much just a liability) and then get to a position where MMAL can re-open with some capital behind it to produce the quality and level of vehicle it should be and is more than capable of doing.

I'm also a massive fan of old hot rods, ford, holden, chev, mopar, caddies etc...I love cars in general.

Oh and the reason I spend so much time here...I have no life :bowrofl:

Being an administrator of the AMC forums would make most people come to the conclusion that you are a die hard Mitsubishi fan. How else could you justify pouring so much time into this forum?
Bain drives an XR6T and he's a mod. But Bain's cool. I think KB is just a hangeronerrer. Like a Klingon.

I agree with Killbilly.. I certainly would not hesistate to buy any other car (well, maybe not a Holden) but i truley beleive MMAL have it all wrong. They are not building a car people want, Holden and Ford are.. The sales figures prove this. Maybe Holden and Ford listen to what people want. Certainly MMAL nead their eyes & ears cleaned.

Personally i don't like the 380 and yes, i have driven one. The reputation lives on for them being reffered to as a grandpa's car. And with lack of funds, poor sales and engines that are still out of date (no variable valve timing etc) the future does indeed look bleak.

So in view of recent experiences with MMAL products over the last 7 years i certainly won't be handing over my hard earned to MMAL again.

It was very repetitive "How many do you think they'll sell? Lets all speculate and not do anything constructive within this thread"

Been done over and over. If it was just a discussion about the features, fine. But it was all about guessing the sales...definitely happened plenty of times before.

Or maybe it was an opportunity to discuss, whether it is a good deal, whether its worth buying?

Or maybe it was an opportunity to discuss, whether it is a good deal, whether its worth buying?

It wasnt though...did you read the question that was placed at the end? There was a statement, then a question which is the basis of the discussion. Did you ever do an essay in english? That is how it works.

The thread was about guessing sales. I wont go on about it anymore. I said I dont mind discussion so long as it's not done over and over.

As for being a die hard Mitsu fan in general, there's cars of theirs I like and cars I don't. To me a die hard fan means they like everything regardless...and I hate blind followers, I'm definitely not one of them. I want to see MMAL close so MMC can recover losses (atm MMAL is pretty much just a liability) and then get to a position where MMAL can re-open with some capital behind it to produce the quality and level of vehicle it should be and is more than capable of doing.

im a die hard fan owned 3 magnas now I love em to bits there great cars. id buy a 380 tommorow but now theres a hint of ralliart OMG!!!!

i love em ill buy another ill buy a 380 they could partner with holden and rebage the commodore and charge twice as much stick a mitsu bage on it and call it a 360 and ill still buy it.

i dont care what people think ill buy another and another as long as mitsu is in australia I will buy one. and casue there made here its a good thing the money stays here familys get food on the table. and if you dont like it too bad casue there govt cars and your all paying for mine indirectly. lol

im a die hard fan owned 3 magnas now I love em to bits there great cars. id buy a 380 tommorow but now theres a hint of ralliart OMG!!!!

i love em ill buy another ill buy a 380 they could partner with holden and rebage the commodore and charge twice as much stick a mitsu bage on it and call it a 360 and ill still buy it.

i dont care what people think ill buy another and another as long as mitsu is in australia I will buy one. and casue there made here its a good thing the money stays here familys get food on the table. and if you dont like it too bad casue there govt cars and your all paying for mine indirectly. lol

Whilst I appreciate being a fan of a brand, my practical side kicks in when you say things like "i love em ill buy another ill buy a 380 they could partner with holden and rebage the commodore and charge twice as much stick a mitsu bage on it and call it a 360 and ill still buy it." I just ask "Why would you do something like that?"

You'd be able to find a better car all around for 1/2 the price. But hey, it's your money :)

No flamage, just trying to explain where I'm coming from

Whilst I appreciate being a fan of a brand, my practical side kicks in when you say things like "i love em ill buy another ill buy a 380 they could partner with holden and rebage the commodore and charge twice as much stick a mitsu bage on it and call it a 360 and ill still buy it." I just ask "Why would you do something like that?"

You'd be able to find a better car all around for 1/2 the price. But hey, it's your money :)

No flamage, just trying to explain where I'm coming from

nay your allright killbilly

dont know why but I sold my slightly damaged ralliart rear bumper for 20 and spent nearly 500 on a new one just cause it had a small crack when I could have got it welded for 100. for some reason I just like em. :bowrofl: oh and I got a set of new flares too. lol

Mitsu Spares must love you! :P

i wouldnt say im die hard mitsu, although ive only owned mitsu's (TF & RALLIART)

although, i would say im diehard ralliart (not just magna)

i love watching the rally, i just cant drive well on dirt that i know of, ive never had a go in a 4WD turbs on dirt though... lol

IMHO im going with KB, the 380 is poo, wouldnt buy one , would sell it if given one

anywho..

']i wouldnt say im die hard mitsu, although ive only owned mitsu's (TF & RALLIART)

although, i would say im diehard ralliart (not just magna)

IMHO im going with KB, the 380 is poo, wouldnt buy one , would sell it if given one

yeah right if they make a raliiart 380 like the romour youll get one the next day. yep just you wait your going to be sorry you said that youll want one badly lol

But if MMAL stuffs up the ralliart by making it a little lower, giving it 10 more KW and a body kit, would you pay 10k more to get it? I would much prefer a VRX because after all if you dont like the styling, you wont see it! your driving! And if it drives like the magna i would have no complaints there.

Mitsu Spares must love you! :P

yep keeping mitsu afloat 450 just for a LH skirt! OMG!!! lol

But if MMAL stuffs up the ralliart by making it a little lower, giving it 10 more KW and a body kit, would you pay 10k more to get it? I would much prefer a VRX because after all if you dont like the styling, you wont see it! your driving! And if it drives like the magna i would have no complaints there.

for sure! :) but id pay 12k for the sunroof :bowrofl:

yeah right if they make a raliiart 380 like the romour youll get one the next day. yep just you wait your going to be sorry you said that youll want one badly lol
if it were TT AWD then yes

but MMAL wont do it... they are lame these days... :(

When MMAL takes over the world TJ will be at the head of their armies i think :D

Front Wheels Good! Rear Wheels Bad!

j/k :D

I used to be a diehard, never will buy any other car, holden fan. Till i fell in love with my magna. I know how you feel my friend.

I hope Mitsubishi does stay alive in Australia. And Australian start to realise that Aussies make good cars.

Thats'my 2 cents
I would like to point you to this thread.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30080

I hope Mitsubishi stay afloat in Aus.. not because of the cars they make, but because of the Jobs and livelyhoods at stake.

If MMAL close down, around 5000 people around Australia will lose their jobs.

The biggest gripe I have seen on other forums (Ford and Holden) is that its 'gutless and FWD'. If MMAL wanted to make an award winning car it would have been RWD or AWD with a 4cylinder turbo diesel (fuel economy) and 6cylinder turbo option (powerhouse).

MMAL wanted to make an award winning car it would have been RWD or AWD with a 4cylinder turbo diesel (fuel economy) and 6cylinder turbo option (powerhouse).

They would have wanted to make an award winning car like that too - problem is that its MMJ signing the cheques, and MMJ has more important things to spend dollars on that R&D on some backwater car market. MMAL's hands were pretty tied through this whole thing - it's not often that you see a carmaker evolve from fwd to awd then "devolve" back to fwd again.

I would like to point you to this thread.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30080

I hope Mitsubishi stay afloat in Aus.. not because of the cars they make, but because of the Jobs and livelyhoods at stake.

If MMAL close down, around 5000 people around Australia will lose their jobs.



dont forget the people down the line like suppliers



The biggest gripe I have seen on other forums (Ford and Holden) is that its 'gutless and FWD'. If MMAL wanted to make an award winning car it would have been RWD or AWD with a 4cylinder turbo diesel (fuel economy) and 6cylinder turbo option (powerhouse).

bains a toasted marshmellow hard outside but warm and soft inside. likes to talk tough but he has a spot for mitsu. hes hoping for a ralliart 380 badly but wont admit it :bowrofl:

So we have a Mod saying he hopes MMAL closes down.......why would you hope they close down? not only is it something i wouldnt expect from a member of a Magna Club BUT also something i wouldnt expect of an Australian... ppl will loose jobs.. AND more ppl will end up buying non Aussie built cars which = our money ending up overseas...

interesting..

well i hope MMAL doesn't close down but at the same time im not rushing out to buy a 380 .. i dont love it but i certainly dont hate it (in reality its just another magna at the end of the day).....

bains a toasted marshmellow hard outside but warm and soft inside. likes to talk tough but he has a spot for mitsu. hes hoping for a ralliart 380 badly but wont admit it :bowrofl:As ive said repeatedly. The day MMAL make a AWD or RWD turbo family sedan i will buy it.


So we have a Mod saying he hopes MMAL closes down.......why would you hope they close down? not only is it something i wouldnt expect from a member of a Magna Club BUT also something i wouldnt expect of an Australian... ppl will loose jobs.. AND more ppl will end up buying non Aussie built cars which = our money ending up overseas...
Stop taking things out of context.. KB said it would be beneficial for MMAL to close for MM in general so they could get their finances in order and then reopen a plant here with the quality and performance they used to have.

(in reality its just another magna at the end of the day).....
but we didnt buy exec's for a reason either... (not bashing execs, settle)

to have 175kw regardless of model is an absolutley rediculous joke... simple...

As ive said repeatedly. The day MMAL make a AWD or RWD turbo family sedan i will buy it.


Stop taking things out of context.. KB said it would be beneficial for MMAL to close for MM in general so they could get their finances in order and then reopen a plant here with the quality and performance they used to have.

ah is that what he meant.. well then ok.. thats not what he said.. now i understand.. thankyou bain for clearing that up

If MMAL close down, around 5000 people around Australia will lose their jobs.


I think that this is the whole point. People may not like the 380 in these forums but for the sake of the Mitsu employees ( and Adelaide ) we all need to give this car a chance.

I think that this is the whole point. People may not like the 380 in these forums but for the sake of the Mitsu employees ( and Adelaide ) we all need to give this car a chance.

How are we going to give this car a chance, if none of use have any intention of purchasing one?

Personally I think Mitsubishi need to get their marketting team in gear. And personally, I think untill they have a proper sporty verion of the 380, they shouldn't put to much emphasis on performance states in their marketing efforts.

How are we going to give this car a chance, if none of use have any intention of purchasing one?

Personally I think Mitsubishi need to get their marketting team in gear. And personally, I think untill they have a proper sporty verion of the 380, they shouldn't put to much emphasis on performance states in their marketing efforts.
I agree. I think that they need a "horn" car as an image builder. With there new CEO being an ex Holden man im sure that there has to be something in the pipeline... Holden are nothing if not good at selling "image"

About the original post, when the 380 became big news here there was a bucket load of speculation and assumptions... then when it was released it turned into a sherlock holmes convention... the amount of armchair experts that had to make their point based on what they interpreted from some media article they read or something they heard or 'reckon', the best one is "I know someone" or "I have ties with MMAL, therefore I must be heard" threads gleamed out.

What I openly objected to was people coming straight out with speculative threads, full of negativity with bugger all facts but a line out of some article... especially in the first few months. With great thread titles such as

"380 will spell end of MMAL manufacturing! "
"Get the feeling that some are trying to nail the coffing shut on MMAL??? "
"Noone will buy the VRX or GT"
"Poll: Will Mitsu close the factory in twelve months??"
"Wheel's smashes 380"
"380 will kill Mitshi in OZ! "
"380 sells less than 1000 in December! "

...you can sort of see why we are a bit over it.

But yeah if we let guesswork and assumption take over this section then less than 5% of any of us would even seriously consider buying one... It's like kicking a mate while he's down, now that's un-Australian.

The biggest gripe I have seen on other forums (Ford and Holden) is that its 'gutless and FWD'. If MMAL wanted to make an award winning car it would have been RWD or AWD with a 4cylinder turbo diesel (fuel economy) and 6cylinder turbo option (powerhouse).

This is so true, yet in a way, so misleading.

I think there are quite a Ford and Holden fans out there that are test driving the 380, But, they go and test drive a brand new demo car with only a few k's on and compare it to their fully run-in car that has thousands of K's on it. Then they walk away and say stuff like "nah, it doesn't feel that powerful" or 'it didn't seem like it had much pick up", etc, etc..

This is so true, yet in a way, so misleading.

I think there are quite a Ford and Holden fans out there that are test driving the 380, But, they go and test drive a brand new demo car with only a few k's on and compare it to their fully run-in car that has thousands of K's on it. Then they walk away and say stuff like "nah, it doesn't feel that powerful" or 'it didn't seem like it had much pick up", etc, etc..

oh come on.. seriously a brand new car or a run in car isnt going to make much difference in power at all... you MIGHT see a difference on the 1/4 or dyno but you wouldnt notice anything driving it...

if a driver isnt happy with the performance of the car when they test drive it new then there only going to be more dissapointed with it as they drive it more (ppl get used to the power of a car and it doesnt feel as quick after awhile)...

oh come on.. seriously a brand new car or a run in car isnt going to make much difference in power at all... you MIGHT see a difference on the 1/4 or dyno but you wouldnt notice anything driving it...

if a driver isnt happy with the performance of the car when they test drive it new then there only going to be more dissapointed with it as they drive it more (ppl get used to the power of a car and it doesnt feel as quick after awhile)...


Even Wheels mag commented on how tight the new 3.8 in the 380 felt when it did the 380VRX/XR6/SV6 comparison. They reckoned it only "started" to free up after few hundred km's. And yes...they noticed it big time! They reckoned it was completely different to the media test car they had when the 380 was first released.

Yes you would notice it when driving it. That's all I was trying to say. First impressions like that one will have a big impact on getting Ford and Holden fans to buy a 380. How many of them do you think are going to get into a new 380 for a test drive and drive it sedately?


Sorry AMC mods for being offtopic.

Time to scare Bain and KB.

You guys remind me a lot of me :shock:

When I was younger of course :badgrin:

If someone says to me "Whats the best car" I answer "what year". I love cars in general, every makers has had pearls and every maker has had duds, you just hafta appreciate the goodens and hope they learn from the duds.

I like the old chargers, they rust like hell, dont stop or turn well but I still like em. Doesnt mean I dont appreciate magnas though.

It used to amuse me when you'd here ya mates dad say "I've been drivin fords for 30 years so I think I know a good car". If thats all the makes you've driven you dont know **** about cars.

I ldont mind the 380, it's not my cuppa tea but that doesnt mean I wanna bag it endlessly. I agree that if MMal cant get it right they need to restructure, if that means shutting down, well so be it. It helps cure complacency in the industry. My personal opinion is that aussies just dont warm to a big fwd in big numbers and it wouldnt surprise me if the new toyoty aint that big a seller as well.

Lets just stop bleating about the 380 and enjoy the site mmkay :D

Thats my 2 cents on this one

']but we didnt buy exec's for a reason either... (not bashing execs, settle)

to have 175kw regardless of model is an absolutley rediculous joke... simple...

Much as its nice having power and all - for what purpose does any australian driver need more than 175kw? I mean really, it wasn't long ago that V8's were putting out less than that! I think the car industry is caught in a power war again. You can only do 110km.

I seriously would have waited and bought a 380, except that i need a wagon for work purposes, so went for a TL instead. I took a 380 for a test drive and loved it.

for what purpose does any australian driver need more than 175kw? How long is a piece of string?

Pretty silly question really.. Why do people want more power.. Simply because they want it.


Personally, i love hitting 60km/h in first and hearing my engine and turbo spool up, then punching 2nd gear home and getting a nice bit of wheel spin before popping it over into 5th gear to cruise at 110km/h on the highway.. Why do i do this, because i can..

Good for you, but at the end of the day that sort of driving would probably be considered a) illegal and b) dangerous by the local constabulary. Just because your not breaking the speed limit doesnt mean your not driving dangerously or illegally. Thats what the racetrack is for. So i don't think the question is so silly, what does anyone truly need more than 175kw for? Apart from just because??

Good for you, but at the end of the day that sort of driving would probably be considered a) illegal and b) dangerous by the local constabulary. Just because your not breaking the speed limit doesnt mean your not driving dangerously or illegally. Thats what the racetrack is for. So i don't think the question is so silly, what does anyone truly need more than 175kw for? Apart from just because??What other reasons are needed?

My driving has nothing to do with the question, you asked why anyone would want something more than 175kw... I gave you an answer.

If you want more reasons..

Towing, alot more torque, instant power if you want to overtake. Theres plenty of reasons, but the most common one is.. I want it cause i can have it.

Why did you buy a V6 wagon? Why didnt you buy a 4 cylinder wagon?

I think people are just over 35 threads being started a day on the 380.. i know some people get excited about it as its a new model.. and lets face it.. do we need a thread about anything and everything to do with them.. big woop about half of the crap that people waffle on about.. :D


Time to close this one bain..:P

I think people are just over 35 threads being started a day on the 380.. i know some people get excited about it as its a new model.. and lets face it.. do we need a thread about anything and everything to do with them.. big woop about half of the crap that people waffle on about.. :D


Time to close this one bain..:P

People over 60 were the main private buyers of magnas! :bowrofl: A true stat! I'm not going to comment on the 380, enough has been said.

What other reasons are needed?

My driving has nothing to do with the question, you asked why anyone would want something more than 175kw... I gave you an answer.

If you want more reasons..

Towing, alot more torque, instant power if you want to overtake. Theres plenty of reasons, but the most common one is.. I want it cause i can have it.

Why did you buy a V6 wagon? Why didnt you buy a 4 cylinder wagon?

So people want more than 175kw because they can. Great answer. Just because people can have it doesnt mean they need it or even want it.

The 5 litre V8 up to the VS commodore only had 165kw. That seemed to be enough for people wanting to tow, and have power then.

I bought a V6 wagon because nobody makes a 4cyl in the size that i need.

You can only do 110km.
Exactly. What we like to have is good acceleration. 2 litre turbos are a good alternative. As fuel prices are rising, a lot of people are opting not to buy large capacity cars hence the popularity of mazda 6, accord euros etc..

So people want more than 175kw because they can. Great answer. Just because people can have it doesnt mean they need it or even want it.
zomg... :roll:

in other news, you said that sort of driving is best left for the track...

*NEWSFLASH*

i take my car on the track, its been in teh rally, and, unfortunaly, i like many other REAL LIFE australians, can only use / pay for / run / insure / house ONE car

i also like to use this one car for some "spirited driving" and i want / need the extra power

nothing worse than trying to drive up a hill and losing power / thrashing the engine in third.. cause thats lame & eats the wang proper good

i believe you are in teh minority with your small power beliefes, and would say its fairly safe to say the average australian man is competitive & wants to piss further than that bloke (human nature, not wild propaganda)

now, in order to piss further than you for example, i have to do something better...

hence why i want more power from a car

not everyones happy to do 50 in a 60 zone, and those people that do should be killed :D

/dealing with silly people

"380 will spell end of MMAL manufacturing! "
"Get the feeling that some are trying to nail the coffing shut on MMAL??? "
"Noone will buy the VRX or GT"
"Poll: Will Mitsu close the factory in twelve months??"
"Wheel's smashes 380"
"380 will kill Mitshi in OZ! "
"380 sells less than 1000 in December! "

...you can sort of see why we are a bit over it.

But yeah if we let guesswork and assumption take over this section then less than 5% of any of us would even seriously consider buying one... It's like kicking a mate while he's down, now that's un-Australian.

No being Un-Australian is not letting your mate have his say!

This is a Forum FFS, the best forums discussions just develop without interference from the Mod/Admin team. Sure edit/remove stuff that could create legal issues or if threads are going off track, but whats the harm in just letting the discussions happen.

****, I belong to a Collingwood Football Club forum and get **** bagged for daring to suggest Ed has not the greatest ever, or that the Club could do things better. That forum is now compulsory reading for people at the CFC to the point that the Club is actually posting there.ATTENTION CHEERSQUAD MEMBERS + COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS. (http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=27183)
Interstate memberships (http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?p=360801&highlight=collingwood++membership#360801)


There has been some discussion on the websites regarding interstate members and supporter groups.

There is some misinformation circulating so I would like to take this opportunity to update you and provide some more detailed information on issues concerning interstate and country supporter groups.

As always we are grateful for “constructive” feedback, suggestions and ideas on how to make things better.
Using a fan-site instead of it's own Website to get information to the followers of the Club.


Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a discussion about the 380 and what improvements the AMC forum members would make to it for Gen 2.... Then to see some of our suggestions in cold hard sheet metal when Gen 2 is released.

But if we keep stopping any negative discussion .... that will never happen.

Ah well, whatever.

I don't drive at 50 in a 60 zone, and i also like some spirited driving too. My point is that i think 175kw in a family sedan is more than enough, and i can't think of a reason for normal road use of why it isnt.

If people just have to have something bigger and better just to out do their friends, then they are gonna spend a lot of money on a lot of stuff they don't really need. Of course their are some people who will do that, and some like myself, who are more practical. But each to their own.

If people just have to have something bigger and better just to out do their friends, then they are gonna spend a lot of money on a lot of stuff they don't really need. Of course their are some people who will do that, and some like myself, who are more practical. But each to their own.
thankyou for proving my point that 175 across the board is rediculous :bowrofl:

to have the sports model (vrx = heavier) slower than the exec is dumb

enjoy :D

This is stupid:nuts:
Close it.

']thankyou for proving my point that 175 across the board is rediculous :bowrofl:

to have the sports model (vrx = heavier) slower than the exec is dumb

enjoy :D

I never proved your point. You are deluded.

According to MMAL, the VRX is 5kg heavier in both manual and auto form. OK, so the VRX is not faster than the base model, but 5kg will make no difference between the two. Its all about the styling, and there are PLENTY of "sports" models across all makes that have the looks but no power advantage over the base model.

Anyhoo, since nobody has yet provided a legitimate reason why a family sedan needs more than 175kw, i'm calling it quits.

Enjoy :P

This is a Forum FFS, <SNIP>
Yeah I was waiting for you to come along and make a big song and dance. like I have said before just get over it, you have been banned a few days before for not getting off your high horse and making waves. I wondered if I should let you know I get complaints about your carry on, but I think I will keep it to myself.

ok, again I will say this as clear as i can

If you don't like the forum then leave... we're not forcing you to stay...it's just too easy!

You make us out to be ogres, but all I can hear is you whining like a banshee... get over it FFS!

Oh and with your other football club forum, that is the second time you have brought it up... quite frankly i DGAF!


This is stupid
Close it.
Great idea, motion seconded... and not just because I am annoyed, enough has been said now. Cheers

=CLOSED=

Anyhoo, since nobody has yet provided a legitimate reason why a family sedan needs more than 175kw, i'm calling it quits.

Enjoy :P
Seeing as my reasons werent good enough.

Head on over to www.fordxr6turbo.com (http://www.fordxr6turbo.com) and ask any 1 of the 6000+ members who own a car with more than 175+ kw or head to www.hsvforum.com.au (http://www.hsvforum.com.au) , maybe even try www.ls1.com.au (http://www.ls1.com.au)

As for a wagon that didnt meet your requirements, theres the subaru liberty, the mazda 6, honda CRV, RAV4 and a few others.

Youre preaching to those who dont really care that you think 175kw is enough.