OK picture this the people at Tonsley Park are reading your thoughts, picking your brains for ideas about the updated 380. Back in the 60's the people from the same plant got the Idea for the Pacer from the fact that so many young men were hotting up the old Valiants and racing them. They will look for inspiration everywhere, lets give them our thoughts. Try to be positive.



My thoughts are.

1, the name, give it one.

2, the front end looks very sameish(is that a word?)

3, the rear end on the base models is too plain.

4, somehow if posible make it look "bigger".

Thats about it for me.

I'm trying to give this thread a chance. But people spam an act like idiots in it. I bet if I close it people will whinge.

BE CONSTRUCTIVE and it won't be closed. It's not rocket science!

My thoughts are.

1, the name, give it one.

2, the front end looks very sameish(is that a word?)

3, the rear end on the base models is too plain.

4, somehow if posible make it look "bigger".

Thats about it for me.

My thoughts are:

The name: you can't change it now. Its a 380.

Looks wise: really can't change that much either. Its only just been released not so long ago. It a bit too early for a Gen 2 cosmetic change.

In terms of making it look bigger. Its big enough as it is. I don't think people want a limousine.


What they could change are perhaps:

Adjust the pricing of the models to make it more competive against its rivals. eg. why buy a 380GT when for a little more you could buy an XR6 Turbo or something,

Increase the power of the sports models.

Change the design of some of the alloy wheels. Put fatter tyres on. Lower the suckas more. :badgrin:

Thats all i can think of for now.. lol

My thoughts
Leave the name!
Change the base model so it does not look so bland.

AWD versions but with manual version this time.
Give us a hero cars. Two versions should be offered.
1. Ralliart 380 - FWD with increase power like the Galant Ralliart in the US but make it like the concept.

2. Ralliart 380 EVO - AWD with aleast supercharged or turbo with about 260kw. This would probably beat most FPV and HSVs.

Offer a 4 cyl version this version could fill the gap in 30,000 units. So the break would be 20,000 V6 and 10,000 4cyl.

Most of all market the car, it is built with good quality so tell people.

But I think MMAL needs to be able to export the car or make 2nd car on the production line.
My suggest is the Endevour this could go up against the ford territory.

MMAL you have good car just updated a little. spend some money to make money

Since my previous contribution was deleted (who did that), I would definitely have to say, and its a small thing, the plastic wheel covers on the base model really make the car look plain. Their 'flat' appearance brings the worst out of side-on impression of the base 380. I know most of us would but mags on it anyway, but all those fleet cars out there will have those unflatering wheels. They don't have to look so bad, the base commo VX and BA falcon covers aren't too bad. Most people will base their impression on the base models, purely because there are so many more of them out their

don't need to speed to many dollars on this, nor do they have to wait for the series II.

Australians love aggressive looking cars.

Look at the BA XR range...

Look at even the Honda Oddessy(sp), it's no performance car but it's agressive stance makes it a top seller...seen on streets everywhere.

Make it aggressive. People want that.

My thoughts
Leave the name!
Change the base model so it does not look so bland.

AWD versions but with manual version this time.
Give us a hero cars. Two versions should be offered.
1. Ralliart 380 - FWD with increase power like the Galant Ralliart in the US but make it like the concept.

2. Ralliart 380 EVO - AWD with aleast supercharged or turbo with about 260kw. This would probably beat most FPV and HSVs.

Offer a 4 cyl version this version could fill the gap in 30,000 units. So the break would be 20,000 V6 and 10,000 4cyl.

Most of all market the car, it is built with good quality so tell people.

But I think MMAL needs to be able to export the car or make 2nd car on the production line.
My suggest is the Endevour this could go up against the ford territory.

MMAL you have good car just updated a little. spend some money to make money
You should be in marketing! This is exactly what needs to be done! A 4 cyl to please the economy minded buyer and a horn AWD supercharged version to please the enthusiast. Remember the image of the performance versions filter down to the base models. Just look at the Commodore.

Since my previous contribution was deleted (who did that), I would definitely have to say, and its a small thing, the plastic wheel covers on the base model really make the car look plain. Their 'flat' appearance brings the worst out of side-on impression of the base 380. I know most of us would but mags on it anyway, but all those fleet cars out there will have those unflatering wheels. They don't have to look so bad, the base commo VX and BA falcon covers aren't too bad. Most people will base their impression on the base models, purely because there are so many more of them out their

don't need to speed to many dollars on this, nor do they have to wait for the series II.

I did it...you said to paint the car pink...hardly a constructive comment. That post, however, was...hence it stayed :)

You should be im marketing! This is exactly what needs to be done! A 4 cyl to please the economy minded buyer and a horn AWD supercharged version to please the enthusiast. Remember the image of the performance versions filter down to the base models. Just look at the Commodore.

Your right the performance Commodore filter down.
Mitsubishi look at your own Lancer range - The EVO version is a cult/hero car and this has filtered down to the other cars in the range.
How many lancers do people see driving around impersonating EVOs

Your right the performance Commodore filter down.
Mitsubishi look at your own Lancer range - The EVO version is a cult/hero car and this has filtered down to the other cars in the range.
How many lancers do people see driving around impersonating EVOs
Funny you say that. I just brought a new Lancer for my driving school car and you wouldnt believe the business i have got from it just because it is a Lancer! And the only one in Geelong! Mine doesnt impersonate an EVO though! :bowrofl:

I did it...you said to paint the car pink...hardly a constructive comment. That post, however, was...hence it stayed :)
Fair call :D I did say a little bit more than that, equally unconstructive
I totally agree with you about having cars that look aggressive, and the ideas the other guys have suggested, in particular AWD, Turbo, 4 cyl option, better body kit. However, with the current financially woes, most of those are not going to happen in the short term.

Anybody got any ideas of small things that could be changed (i.e. on a budget) to increase the appeal of the 380? All reviews say it drives nice, but is just missing the internal and external touches that make it a sound decision vs. a must have buy.
While this is boring - it may give MMAL some ideas that they can afford to do now, rather than when the VE commo and Aurion arrive later in the year.
(but keep up the other good ideas too)

OK picture this the people at Tonsley Park are reading your thoughts, picking your brains for ideas about the updated 380.

The question ultimately comes down to: can you decide your own budget?

If MMAL had free reign then I bet you'd see the awd come back, potentially with a blower.

If MMJ keeps authority, all we can hope that MMAL gets to fix all the minor insignificant problems all the car reviewers have commented on the car, ie, dash cosmetics, hard plastics, the ability to turn off the rear seat vents, tilt and reach steering.

Last but not least, a new marketing campaign.

- power increase on the VRX and GT models..
- lower those 2 models a bit more
- awd version
- less bland interior (minus the LS and LX.. they look pretty good as they are)
- higher quality plastics for things like dash/interior panels
- change the soft as hell "stealth" black to a hard clear coated metallic black so the bastards dont scratch when washing them
- the ability to shut off the side air cond. vents
- power folding mirros like the colt and grandis (little "cool" features like this that no other cars in its class has.. HID Xenon headlights on the upper models.. auto on/off headlights.. heated seats on LX and GT.. etc etc)

and market the bloody thing properly so that aussies will actually look at and give the car a chance..

then they could go all the way with dvd screens in back of head rests and so on..

i agree, those hubcaps look horrible..

ive seen how many goddam sportivos around here? and they are as ugly as my ass....and ive seen hundreds!!!

now if mitsu can make the 380 Faster, Lower, and with a much much MUCH MUCH sportier look, they will have buyers, i mean come on, who doesnt like the look of an FPV GT-P?
get rid of the "lip" use a real bloody spoiler, and as RINGA///ART said have some more features inside for creature comforts....

surely it couldnt cost them that much to make a few subtle changes?

i was really pissed about the VRX thats all, i mean sure dumped on its ass with big chromies it looks unbeliveable...but not everyone does that

I really hope mitsu correct there mistakes here, and from what i know its an awesome car, so hopefully they can make it better.

My ideas? Basically, build up from this US Ralliart Galant concept from 2004.

An engine with variable valve timing and tunable inlet manifolds. Capacity only need by around 3.5 litre... with DOHC (quad cam on v6) heads. 195~200kw base. 230kw sports, 270kw twin turbo.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/galantralliart04_05.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/galantralliart04_01.jpg

Most of the articles you read about the 380 harp on about the same things all the time, which tells me the cake is fine and that they just need to imporve the icing and add some cherries.
Yeah simple things being able to turn off or close the air con vents, move the washer jets off the bonnet to clean it up a bit, more saftey features like curtain air bags, a bit more power for the VR-X and GT as well as twin pipes and yeah some of the interior plastic need a look at....but this is all pretty simple stuff so easy to fix, but beds the question why they didn't do it in the first place.

Oh and just coz I'm sick of ready it......add reach adjustable steering, it's the thing all the jurnos whinge about !!

1, the name, give it one.
I thought not giving it a name was a bit odd... I thought that they were going to give it one on release. The car is too new for a name now i think.

I think a sportier version, other than the VRX even if it is mostly bodywork, interior trim and decent sports exhaust system wouldn't go amiss, something with a mean but subtle body kit to match some of the flashy work coming out of the Falcadore special vehicle range... something that turns heads and gets people talking anyway.

I know I'm no Photoshop master but I thought I'd try something simple.

How does this look (not the photojob.... the car). I think this in the flesh in black with dual exhaust (like this), would look sweet as.

http://www.freewebs.com/adz8989/1280x960_GT2.jpg

[QUOTE=adz89]I know I'm no Photoshop master but I thought I'd try something simple.

I think this in the flesh in black with dual exhaust (like this), would look sweet as.

:) exhaust is ok ,Also chop those “ $2 SHOP Alteza" rear lights, they’re even not fugly they’re just awful! :rant:

[QUOTE=CanberraVR-X]My ideas? Basically, build up from this US Ralliart Galant concept from 2004.

They done it, and now we can see effects :bowrofl: , Shape is jest wrong for Australia. :rant:

Also chop those “ $2 SHOP Alteza" rear lights, they’re even not fugly they’re just awful!

What's wrong with the tail-lights? I thought they looked good especially in comparison with the standard lights. I mean they're not the best but are acceptable. I would like them 100% if they had LEDs in them though. Maybe LEDs could be added as a cost-effective upgrade.

[QUOTE=CanberraVR-X]My ideas? Basically, build up from this US Ralliart Galant concept from 2004.

An engine with variable valve timing and tunable inlet manifolds. Capacity only need by around 3.5 litre... with DOHC (quad cam on v6) heads. 195~200kw base. 230kw sports, 270kw twin turbo.

{/QUOTE]

Exactly on the spot for the Hero car Mitsubishi Needs.
But have you seen the production version of the Ralliart Galant. Does look that great to the Concept.
MMAL make sure that our Ralliart 380 if you built it, has the similar exterior and interior (including Recaros) as the Ralliart Galant.
Not the 2006 Ralliart Galant - sorry VRX Galant

all they REAALLY need to do its release a proper ralliart version.

how many commodore owners get a SV6 coz they can't afford a clubsport or SS but to them they still look the same?

the little changes that i'd make are:

1 dual exhaust (was in the concept drawings, surely it couldnt be any more difficult than doing one on a 3rd gen)

2 18's for GT model

3 some more subtle body changes for the lower models

4 LOWER ALL OF THEM!!!

1. Dual Exhausts - seems to be a recurring theme and I happen to really like the look of them on the shopped 380 pic.
2. LED tail lights
3. VRX and GT models definitely need more power to differentiate them from lower spec models.
4. AWD models introduced with AVCD to change from say 50:50 to 41:59.

keep the body the way it is but change the front end

get a 3.8 lt quad cam motor supercharged and bolt the bloody thing in the right way and throw in a solid diff in the ass of it, none of this rear independit cv crap..

then they could put it in to action round the track with the ford and bomadore
needs bigger factory wheels say 19 std and a flare kit so you can bolt on the big fats

My ideas? Basically, build up from this US Ralliart Galant concept from 2004.

An engine with variable valve timing and tunable inlet manifolds. Capacity only need by around 3.5 litre... with DOHC (quad cam on v6) heads. 195~200kw base. 230kw sports, 270kw twin turbo.



While a good idea, the 230kw and 270kw would be death on wheels.. I dont think anyone would buy a FWD with those kind of power figures. UNLESS there was a way to remove, torque steer and mass wheel spin on a heavy takeoff...

With those kinds of power figures an AWD model would be ideal and would attract a decent crowd.

With those kinds of power figures an AWD model would be ideal and would attract a decent crowd.

AGREED! Man I would love an AWD 380 with 270kw on tap.... it would be awsome. Hmm... the first aussie Mitsubishi to be able to beat those bloody HSV's!

I really think they should release a "240" After all the Toyota are making the Camry 4 cylinder only and leaving the V6 for the Aurion....(which is essentially an altered next gen Camry)

Give the 240 it's own front and rear bumper designs and change the lights.

I think that when Mitsu markets that they've released a "new" model as well, people will doubt less about their future. Even though the car would be the same essentially most people don't know the difference. lol

Perhaps they could get some different front and rear sheetmetal from the Taiwan market Galant Grunder even.... http://www.grunder.com.tw/

A 240 would make it easier for Mitsubishi to 'clean-up' its act in Aus. People would buy it if it had good fuel economy and was relatively powerful. If Mitsu could get say 142kw (2kw ahead of 2.4litre Honda Accord Euro) out of the Mivec 2.4 I would be happy. Perhaps mate that to the 6-speed CVT transmission and fuel consumption levels could drop to around 8 litres on a combined cycle if not lower. And give the 380 the 6-speed INVECS III auto; The 380's fuel consumption would also drop to say 9.5 on a combined cycle if not lower (the falcon went from 11.1 to 10.2 when they went from a 4 speed to a 6 speed auto and inreased output power from 182 to 190).

Once they're sales build up (on both the 240 and 380) add all the cherries to bring the cars to European standards...... sounds simple.

& if you think of it it is basically what honda did with the Accord by having the Accord Euro. Which both share the same interior, but one (the Accord) has the option of a v6 and the euro doesn't. This could be pulled off here and give mitsu two large cars... one with very low (in consideration) fuel consumption and one powerful beast.

AGREED! Man I would love an AWD 380 with 270kw on tap.... it would be awsome. Hmm... the first aussie Mitsubishi to be able to beat those bloody HSV's!

While the idea excites me - and I'd love to see both Ford and Mitsu bring out a challenger to the coupe4 - but one thing that people seem to be forgetting is price... :nuts:

when you consider for the coupe4 you don't get much change out of 100K! even if they managed to get a suped up 380 AWD past development and into production would there be a market in Aus for a $60 - 70K 380? because with such a vehicle you need to enter the ford (FPV) V Holden (HSV) market... and for the same dollars you can go down the tried and tested EVO road...

Not to mention the price of Premium going up and up and up...

But having said that I'd love to see it ! :cool:

when you consider for the coupe4 you don't get much change out of 100K! even if they managed to get a suped up 380 AWD past development and into production would there be a market in Aus for a $60 - 70K 380? because with such a vehicle you need to enter the ford (FPV) V Holden (HSV) market... and for the same dollars you can go down the tried and tested EVO road...

Not to mention the price of Premium going up and up and up...

I agree. While it would be great to see it would only be possible once they have made profits. A lighter Ralliart version priced high $50k-low $60k would be suitable with an output around 220kw - 230kw to an AWD (this would be able to compete with the XR8 and XR6T and SV8).

Though, Mitsubishi will secure buyers if they intergrated some form of hybrid-electric engine available in the 380 range. Possibly half MIEV and MIVEC 2.4? While this probably wouldn't happen till like '08 or later it would secure there future; I mean with the fuel prices and all if they could get the 380 equipped with a MIEV 2.4 or something along those lines fuel consumption could be as low as like 6litres/100km.

They need side impact curtains and they need to market them. Families will buy cars they perceive to be safe even if they look like a lego block and have no guts ... Ever wondered why families buy ugly 4WDs that never go off the road? Show people this car is safe, yet at the same time has real power.

They need side impact curtains and they need to market them. Families will buy cars they perceive to be safe even if they look like a lego block and have no guts ... Ever wondered why families buy ugly 4WDs that never go off the road? Show people this car is safe, yet at the same time has real power.

That's a very valid comment. Curtain airbags would be a very worthwhile inclusion in the 380, especially if they can market the safety features the vehicle has correctly (as you said above). Along with curtain airbags they may also include rear side-impact airbags bringing the total to 8 airbags (matching European standards); or possibly head or knee airbags as Toyota are now including. At the same time rear-adjustable head restraints in all three (3) seating positions wouldn't go astray along with the upgrade to active (whiplash protection) headrests on the front row (and possibly the second). Only other thing to add would be ASC or ESP (what ever Mitsu call it) and the safety section would be soreted. lol

With all of that done it would have a 5-star safety rating and that is something that would be a very, very good marketing tool if they marketed it correctly.

While the idea excites me - and I'd love to see both Ford and Mitsu bring out a challenger to the coupe4 - but one thing that people seem to be forgetting is price... :nuts:

when you consider for the coupe4 you don't get much change out of 100K! even if they managed to get a suped up 380 AWD past development and into production would there be a market in Aus for a $60 - 70K 380? because with such a vehicle you need to enter the ford (FPV) V Holden (HSV) market... and for the same dollars you can go down the tried and tested EVO road...

Not to mention the price of Premium going up and up and up...

But having said that I'd love to see it ! :cool:
The Coupe4 isn’t anything impressive. It’s too heavy and very high (they’ve modified the bodykit well to hide the height.) And going by the fact that Holden are dropping all of their AWD models mid-2006, I don’t think it was a success.

The Coupe4 isn’t anything impressive. It’s too heavy and very high (they’ve modified the bodykit well to hide the height.) And going by the fact that Holden are dropping all of their AWD models mid-2006, I don’t think it was a success.

That probably had something to do with the fact it was 100K!

The original 300KW Commo was an alright car but if you are going to spend 100K on a car i bet most people would not choose a holden... or anything australian built for that matter... sad but true... :shock:

Ever wondered why families buy ugly 4WDs that never go off the road?

More money than sense is what comes to mind :P

OK picture this the people at Tonsley Park are reading your thoughts, picking your brains for ideas about the updated 380. Back in the 60's the people from the same plant got the Idea for the Pacer from the fact that so many young men were hotting up the old Valiants and racing them. They will look for inspiration everywhere, lets give them our thoughts. Try to be positive.



My thoughts are.

1, the name, give it one.

2, the front end looks very sameish(is that a word?)

3, the rear end on the base models is too plain.

4, somehow if posible make it look "bigger".

Thats about it for me.

I think the main question is will a revised version be released, not what it will or should contain.

FF

I think the main question is will a revised version be released, not what it will or should contain.

FF

FF
Im sure it will. There will be a very revised Falcon in September to counter VE so i would expect a updated 380 @ the same time.

The 380 with the Grunder rear would look much nicer overall. A 4cyl model is a must for S2.

The sports model ie. VRX and GT REALLY need a power boost. I think I saw an ad for the Hyundai Grandeur V6 which has 194 kw or something. Mitsu is really lagging behind. Its only ahead of the Nissan Maxima (170kw) in the Kw stakes. Most V6s with 3.5 litre capacity has more than 175 kw nowadays. Lexus IS350 has over 200kw. Honda Legend 3.5 V6 225kw.. the new Aurion at least 190kw.. the list goes on..problem is no new technology in the 380 engine like mivec to increase power..its nothing new..

Im sure it will. There will be a very revised Falcon in September to counter VE It won't be that revised, Ford are too busy concentrating on launching the next gen Falcon, doesn't make that much financial sense to over develop the stop gap model like what a certain brand did.

The sports model ie. VRX and GT REALLY need a power boost. I think I saw an ad for the Hyundai Grandeur V6 which has 194 kw or something. Mitsu is really lagging behind. Its only ahead if the Nissan Maxima (170kw) in the Kw stakes. Most V6s with 3.5 litre capacity has more than 175 kw nowadays. Lexus IS350 has over 200kw. Honda Legend 3.5 V6 225kw.. the new Aurion at least 190kw.. the list goes on..problem is no new technology in the 380 engine like mivec to increase power..its nothing new..

The Lexus IS350 apparently has 220kw and yeah some how Honda squeezed 225kw out of a 3.5 also. Keep in mind the Legend is also a FWD. If Mitsubishi could get atleast 200kw out of a 3.8 atleast it would be respectable; also, wouldn't a MIVEC 3.8 be more fuel efficient? When adding the MIVEC they should also pop in the 6-speed INVECS III trans and make the 6 speed an option on the standard 3.8.

In terms of exterior, the base should look like this -

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4397/3807vg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

-Restyled VRX style grille
-16" Alloys standard

and the VRX -

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3500/380vrx1xu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

-Slightly lower ride height
-18" Alloys optional (taken from Galant Ralliart model)

How about a 380 Hybrid ? (380E)

This would be better than a 4cyl and use less fuel (and good for the environment). The V6 would only kick in when you go faster than 60kph or when you push it to overtake someone.

For the people that dont know what a Hybrid vehicle is, its got an electric motor in it and the internal combustion engine kicks in after a certain speed or when you accelerate hard.

*prepares for flames*

Im sure it will. There will be a very revised Falcon in September to counter VE so i would expect a updated 380 @ the same time.

And what do you base that upon? They just released the BF model. With the all new Orion model due for the start of 2008, it wouldn't make any sense to spend funds and resources on a short model run when an all new model is being work on in parallel. You obviously don't understand the automotive industry.

As to Mitsubishi, funds and resources they just don't have at the moment.......

FF

How about a 380 Hybrid ? (380E)

This would be better than a 4cyl and use less fuel (and good for the environment). The V6 would only kick in when you go faster than 60kph or when you push it to overtake someone.

For the people that dont know what a Hybrid vehicle is, its got an electric motor in it and the internal combustion engine kicks in after a certain speed or when you accelerate hard.

*prepares for flames*

I don't think there is enough money to develop that, and I don't think that would boost sales either.

Seriously, they should just put the 2.4 straight in, it's already used in the US Galant. Almost no development work required.

When following a few 380 VRX's and GT's I've discovered that the tailight indicators are barely visible, because they are positioned more on the side than facing rearwards.

So, amongst other things, my suggestion for series 2 is a redesign of the VRX/GT tailights with leds for safety reasons.

Would a diesel engine be worthwhile? I know the diesel Peugeot 307 gets 4.3L/100km on the highway and 6.1L/100km city (80Kw engine). And the Pug weighs 1335Kg. So a similar 380 should get ~5.4L/100km on the highway and ~7.8L/100km city assuming it weighs 1700kg with a 100Kw engine (same weight/power ratio).

Wouldn't have much power though ... but not everyone needs 180Kw

And what do you base that upon? They just released the BF model. With the all new Orion model due for the start of 2008, it wouldn't make any sense to spend funds and resources on a short model run when an all new model is being work on in parallel. You obviously don't understand the automotive industry.

As to Mitsubishi, funds and resources they just don't have at the moment.......

FF
Lets say that i just "know" :shhhh:

Would a diesel engine be worthwhile? I know the diesel Peugeot 307 gets 4.3L/100km on the highway and 6.1L/100km city (80Kw engine). And the Pug weighs 1335Kg. So a similar 380 should get ~5.4L/100km on the highway and ~7.8L/100km city assuming it weighs 1700kg with a 100Kw engine (same weight/power ratio).

Wouldn't have much power though ... but not everyone needs 180Kw

Apparently they are looking at a diesel engine. I think its a Peugeot unit. Diesels are good, they don't accelerate very fast generally, but they have excellent torque, and down low. :)

a diesel and an increased power engine in the top end models would be good, but I think if they want to really increase sales they need to work on the base model. From what I can gather from other posts and review some of the options need to be moved down to standard equipment and it needs curtain and possibly side airbags.
Also if they put out either a dedicated gas or a dual fuel model their sales would definately go up with the current price of petrol.

most MAJOR improvement needed would be...

FFS OUT DO FREAkIN HYUNDAI...

new sonata add BRAGS about the 194kw engine...

even if its geared badly, i was still captured into watching the add purely by the power figure...

175kw doesnt excite me

]most MAJOR improvement needed would be...

FFS OUT DO FREAkIN HYUNDAI...

new sonata add BRAGS about the 194kw engine...

even if its geared badly, i was still captured into watching the add purely by the power figure...

175kw doesnt excite me

I know! I seen this advert and I was like waaah? 194kw in a Hyundai. The Hyundai itself looks alright but looks dated at the front (same design as the Mazda Millenia). I would just like the 380 to pump out atleast 1 more kw then this so that I can say that the 380 is more powerful.

Oh, and it's a Grandeur not the Sonata

They should whack in a MIVEC. The 3L made 199kW so use a 3.5L block (more torque) and they'd be laughing. :badgrin:
Hehe with a bit of development they should be able to get 200+kW out of it. Also use an alloy block and head to save a bit of weight.

Lets say that i just "know" :shhhh:

Well I am going to book mark this thread and revisit it come September-October this year. I believe other than new colours, trim and more standard equipment, the BF won't change much. The sheet metal will definately not change. New tooling is too expensive to justify for a model life of 18 months.

FF

Since my previous contribution was deleted (who did that), I would definitely have to say, and its a small thing, the plastic wheel covers on the base model really make the car look plain. Their 'flat' appearance brings the worst out of side-on impression of the base 380. I know most of us would but mags on it anyway, but all those fleet cars out there will have those unflatering wheels. They don't have to look so bad, the base commo VX and BA falcon covers aren't too bad. Most people will base their impression on the base models, purely because there are so many more of them out their

don't need to speed to many dollars on this, nor do they have to wait for the series II.
1) ALL UP, and ALL DOWN elec windows options
2) Improved rear seat position and head clearance
3) Fix the rear bumper - it looks like it's trying to take a sh!t sitting high up in the air. Sure it's copying the Audi A4 but that's not exactly everyone's cuppa
4) Improve throttle response and low speed zip for traffic work
5) Remove those sodding cats hanging off the manifolds - at least for the local less regulated emission destinations
6) Lower ride height for ALL models across range.
7) MORE POWER!!!

Dear MMAL

If you need to know how to do it with your current emissions equipment intact, send me a COMPLETELY CONFIDENTIAL pm to discuss a LOW COST performance and fuel economy mod.

Well I am going to book mark this thread and revisit it come September-October this year. I believe other than new colours, trim and more standard equipment, the BF won't change much. The sheet metal will definately not change. New tooling is too expensive to justify for a model life of 18 months.

FF
Ok, thats cool. I wouldnt want to prove you wrong at all.

A power increase to the VRX and GT is suitable but the rest can remain the same. A 4cyl model ala Camry is really needed.

Power isn't everything really... look at the Mazda6, Liberty, Camry. All these cars are fairly tame except for the sport luxury model.

The power increase to the Lancer made no difference, I've only seen two (an ES and VRX) MIVEC models. Even the wheel covers on the ES Lancer look better than the 380's - still both awful though.

Even the wheel covers on the ES Lancer look better than the 380's - still both awful though.

I wish that the government made a law so that hub-caps (or steelies) were not allowed to be used on new cars. This way the cars appearance is better and it gives people a better perception of the car.

Maybe on Gen 2 the 16" rims could be standard?

I wish that the government made a law so that hub-caps (or steelies) were not allowed to be used on new cars. This way the cars appearance is better and it gives people a better perception of the car.

Maybe on Gen 2 the 16" rims could be standard?

That would do wonders for its appearance, see my chop :P

This was exactly the same problem for the TL/TW Magna. The whole car looked much nicer when lowered onto large rims.

1: Make it lower, this is a must!!!

2: Sporty variants need more power.

3: More aggresive bumper on the standard 380.

4: Telescopic steering wheel.

5: Side curtain airbags.

Well they are going to need to bring out AWD. Because the new Aurion might come out with a AWD C Concept in 2007 source: goauto news

make it look fiecer, actually increase the performence of the vr-x version, i would like to see power in the back wheels, but i don't think that's on the cards, my only complaint of the car is mainly the looks, it could be better

My opinion :

Fix the rear of the 380. It looks crap across all models, especially the blue VRX's. I hate it more and more everytime i see one. A intergrated spolier is a crazy idea, especially when it involves the already ugly tailights.

More power. The 380 should be seeing 190kw standard with it's cubic capacity of 3.8ltrs.


I don't think a Ralliart will do much for Mitsubishi. Look at past history. Just Ralliart buyers are not going to get MMAL out of trouble. They need to sell alot of cars across the entire range, only a handful will be able to afford a Ralliart because it will likely be overpriced again and only a select few would want one, not for the Mum's and Dad's....

Mitsubishi are simply not building a car that people want, Ford and Holden are. Perhaps MMAL could take a leaf out of Toyota's book for a change and actually listen to what customers want in a car. The Avalon replacement and even the Mazda 6 are prime examples of this.

They made their beds, now they can lie in them.

I too think that something really needs to be done with the ARSE END of the car. . . . it needs to flow better like the front does. . look smoother and better finnished off???

Love the front change nothing. . .
VRX needs to, at the very least sit lower, have a more agressive look and have more power . .
Tail lights on base modle look nasty. . . try leds, clear coloured lenses or some thing. . . .

everyone says fix the arse up on it..

*speaking of the 380 VRX and GT models here:*

i think the back of them looks 10000000x better than the front..

but thats me! and i didnt go much on them when they first came out.. now seeing them day in, day out.. they have grown on me a lot

I saw one today with a chrome strip across the back. Just something so simple broke the rear end up a bit and it looked bigger and a lot better.

I saw one today with a chrome strip across the back. Just something so simple broke the rear end up a bit and it looked bigger and a lot better.

would have either been an LS or an LX..

i personally dont like the strip..

I saw one today with a chrome strip across the back. Just something so simple broke the rear end up a bit and it looked bigger and a lot better.

its an unwritten rule is aussie car making, gotta have a semi luxury model with the chrome strip

I think whgat I meant was not so much the chrome, but the fact that something breaking up the plain janelessness of the rear end made it look bigger and better.

Quite a number of the base 380's are being used as fleet cars now. While waiting for my bus in town, I was looking at the arse of the base model and it just doesn't flow with the rest of the car, it's too 'squarish'. The ride height and hubcaps aren't that bad actually.