looked around but cant seem to find what im after. i want to put in ralliart or stage1 cams, then piggyback chip. need to know has anyone done either and what cost. im guessin

ralliart cams bout $600??
or stage1 $1000-1200??
fitting of cams =no idea
greddy or unichip $1200-1400 fitted tuned

correct me if im wrong
thanks guys

fitting of cams can be done in two ways.. either with or without removing the heads.. it depends whether you want to install stiffer valve springs or not. Whether you do that probably depends on how crazy your cams are There's quite a bit of work (up to 8 hours) involved in removing and refitting the heads so it's definately cheaper doing things the other way. Otherwise your costings are about bang on.

Looking at you just want to do stage one cams theres no need to remove the heads. What you need is just installation of cams. HOwever if you go rpw stage ones definately get cam gears. Thats an extra 240 for the pair from memory. Then its down to installation and tuning the cam timing.

Ralliart cams - 450ish
RPW stage ones - 900-1100 (depending if they are on special or what hes done with pricing)
+ Cam gears - 250
Installation - 500
Tuning of cam gears - 300-400
Unichip + tune - 1200-1300

']HOwever if you go rpw stage ones definately get cam gears. Thats an extra 240 for the pair from memory. Good call.. but I'd disagree with the $300-$400 you suggest for adjusting the gears. That should just be part of the whole tuning process and will really only add tens of minutes to the job.

kind of. Its seperate to ecu tuning. Depends where you go in the end what they want to charge you

']kind of. Its seperate to ecu tuning. Depends where you go in the end what they want to charge you

Yeah, better to overbudget than underbudget.

thanks guys, so has anyone on here done either?? would love to go for stage 1's jus dont want to end up with a heap of proplems. does anyone other then rpw do stage 1? im in qld so would rather someone closer to go to if i have problems. cheers

if u can get the ralliart cams at a decent price ( 500 or less) and can fond a mate to install them for u then go for them ..


but if u gonna pay someone to install them and cant get a good price etc just go stage ones as u will get more out of them anyways..... also as far as im aware stage 1's DONT mean u need a retune .. its just a sensible option if u wanna get most out of them ..

u deffinetely dont need retune with ralliart cams though u will get pout of of themn once again with a tune ..

also do u have extractors and zorst ? this would be sensible to have installed b4 going into cams

dont have a chip yet, have been waiting till i did the cams. my only mods are extractors and a k+N filter. dont want to change any thing else at this stage.

Crow Cams $600 any grind u want, new billets.
Unichip $1295 fitted and tuned from F.I.S.T audio on the southside of brisbane

Can someon with a manual magna tell me what sort of power gains they got out of putting a diff cam in there car and what it cost them..??? :D

FWIW - The majority of cams on the magnas seem to pick up the best power (Ralliart included) 6 degrees retarded (6 degrees retarded is standard ralliart install specs).

Cheers
Heath Young

Crow Cams $600 any grind u want, new billets.
Unichip $1295 fitted and tuned from F.I.S.T audio on the southside of brisbane
Crow Cams tell me they don't have billets for 3rd gens? whats this twat on about? :nuts:

Crow Cams $600 any grind u want, new billets.
Unichip $1295 fitted and tuned from F.I.S.T audio on the southside of brisbane

Is that $600 per cam??

As far as I know, F.I.S.T have never touched a magna (well..... there was AJ's, but they didn't get far), and last time I tried to book my car in with them, there was a 3 month wait to get any significant work done.

I've got the RPW stage 1 cams and gears. The were installed by RPW and timing the cams at 6deg retarded is a mechanical adjustment and was part of the installation. You dont need a piggyback computer, but if you have other mods and want the best tune then it is worthwhile. You can also tune for premium fuel.
Cheers

I've got the RPW stage 1 cams and gears. The were installed by RPW and timing the cams at 6deg retarded is a mechanical adjustment and was part of the installation. You dont need a piggyback computer, but if you have other mods and want the best tune then it is worthwhile. You can also tune for premium fuel.
Cheers

and.............. worthwhile???

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Definately. There were other mods done at the same time, so can't differentiate just the cams. See my thread in MAGNA MODS on 22-12-05 for a full explanation. Not sure how to make a link. Perhaps you can show the link.

defone worthwhile though ?
someone i know will only mod their car if he can get a kw out of every $100 or better

if u go on the kw per $100 that would mean bout 16 extra kw's including installation and some how i dont think ull get 16 kw's out of them

throw in an emanage and installed u shuld get say 25 extra kw's out of it if u aplly the $100 to 1 kw rule

in reality u would gain far far less than 25 kw's from stage 1 cams and a piggy back tune ...

i think its worth while if u want a fast MAGNA... if u want a fast CAR then definetely not worth while

i think its worth while if u want a fast MAGNA... if u want a fast CAR then definetely not worth while

Never thought i'd see the day :P

Is that $600 per cam??


It's $650 sorry and that's the pair brand new billets any grind u want. Got back another E-mail today confirming this still.

Definately. There were other mods done at the same time, so can't differentiate just the cams. See my thread in MAGNA MODS on 22-12-05 for a full explanation. Not sure how to make a link. Perhaps you can show the link.

Oh yeah, here (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29324) it is.

Once again, nice work. I'd say it's worthwhile. Probably looking at about $1200 supplied only for the cams and cam gears, and your putting out about 12 more kW at the wheels than me........... very similar mods excluding the cams.

If I wasn't planning to go boosted, I'd get cams pretty shortly........ but if I get cams, I might as well have just flushed that money down the toilet when I go turbo........

It's $650 sorry and that's the pair brand new billets any grind u want. Got back another E-mail today confirming this still.Crow told me in January (well, they told Street Torque) that they didn't have any new billets and basically couldn't get any, so I'll be interested to hear what they come back with to you.

My stage 1 cams, head work, and chip netted 165kW ATW.

My new cams were ground by Tighe Cams. They'll also do any grind you like.

My new cams were ground by Tighe Cams. They'll also do any grind you like.

So does this mean the 'agreement' between Street Torque and RPW to produce varying cam grinds fell thru???

sent a email to crow cams and they said they do them but $850!! WTF?? hmmm think someone is tugging me chain :confused:

So does this mean the 'agreement' between Street Torque and RPW to produce varying cam grinds fell thru???Yeah, pretty much. We got tired of waiting. On the plus side, my car is now finally "finished", but I'm still waiting to get it back from Alice.

Does mitsiman have any reference as to what a stock 3.5 puts out on the hub dyno? Just as a loose comparative figure.

Also:
The standard grind on average is - TBA
Stage 1 grind is for all standard / lightly modified vehicles with or without ECU modifications (not necessary)
Stage 1 grind - optional Mitsubishi Ralliart grind for those wanting something a little larger but not quite stage 2 specs.
Stage 2 grind is for improved mid range / top end at the expense of slight loss of torque at low rpm. Valve Springs required, Vernier Cam gear optional.

What is Mitsiman on about. This would read as the ralliart grind is bigger than stage 1??? On previous mentions of stage one is that they were larger than Ralliarts. Can anyone confirm?