Well i noticed that the car had a front end vibration like it was out of ballance front wheels. SO i got it cheacked and yess the wheels were out slightly, propably not enought to notice. Got them done again and still nothing.

Basicaly as i drive on the higway from about 60 up there is a small vibration and then once at 110 kph it feels like one of the wheels is vibrating. BUT they were just done.

The thing is i hit a rock with one of the rims wich was on the front and now is on the back of the car, now i know that rim is out and needs to be re roled but have been told it wouldn't make any differeance to the front end. Question is, is having a rear wheel out of balance affect the front end. The vibration comes through teh front stearing by the way.

What else could it be, bearings, driveshaft, clutch?


ANYW IDEAS.

sometimes if the brake disc is warped it may cause vibration

yeah gona look into that. What i forgot to say thugh is that the vibration isn't always there, it comes and goes and so forth, depending on road surface and speed. The vibration seams to stay eaven if you accelerate WAY past 110.

Will check the brakes though.

flat spot on the tyres? errrr

The thing is the rims have been rebalanced and it made no differance. So if i had flat spots the machine would have picked that up.

Might be all those handbrake turns you keep doing?

:D

Wheel bearings? Warped brake disc(s)?

Do you have after market rims?

If so did they put spaces on the hubs?

If not, it does not matter how much they balance the wheels, there is no way they can get the wheel to sit 100 % on the hub, which means vibration. This happened to me on my TL.

Yes i have aftermarket rims but no spacers. The rims have correct offsets ext.

As to hand brake turns, this has just happend, and i certanly was not doing handbrake turns before that. The vibration is limited to the front of the car.

I'm going to take of the damaged rim on the back and see if that makes any differance.

I hope it's not wheel bearings but it might be.

How would warped discs effect the vibration is they don't vibrate under braking?

What else could it be, bearings, driveshaft, clutch?


ANYW IDEAS.

**** man its the way u drive it, u drive yours harder than minelol

well yeah but still, this is weird.

Is it lowered?

yeah it lowered but this problem has only just occured, but she has been lowered for some time now.

I'm not too clear on this, but i have been told by 2 different places (pedders & bridgestone), that the TL's have either no or very little castor or camber (??) adjustment at the front.

I can't remember if it was castor or camber though.

This causes problems when the car is lowered as it can cause vibrations at speed.

When i got the car lowered they did not have an aftermarket part that was adjustable so couldn't fit it, but apparently it is available now.

Something to look into...

but why would it just start doing it now and never before, the only thing i can think of that has ahppend since i got it lowered was hitting the rock with the front wheel, which is now on the rear.

Hope wheel bearings are ok.

Who knows - maybe tyres have worn down? Shockers worn/springs sagged etc etc...

This may not be the problem but it's something to check.

but why would it just start doing it now and never before, the only thing i can think of that has ahppend since i got it lowered was hitting the rock with the front wheel, which is now on the rear.

Hope wheel bearings are ok.


Hi mate,

have you tried getting a wheel alignment????????

nope have not had a wheel alignment as yet, at the moment it's trial and error. i'm gona see what happens when i put my other wheel on the rear and go from there

A bubble between laminations in one of the front tyres is my guess. Depending on how big it is they can be hard to spot, but they get worse over a matter of a few hours of driving.

jeebus, if you hit a rock and now youve got a vibration get the alignment checked....

at least the dood doing it will check everything for u.............

You said you got the tyres balanced.. Have you had the front suspension aligned since hitting the rock?

Once a tyre is balanced it shouldnt matter whether its on the front of back.

What causes vibration (after tyres having been balanced) is wheel alignment (camber/castor adjustments)

Maybe one of your control arms are slightly bent after hitting the rock?


Get yourself a wheel alignment - not balance (get all 4 done) costs about $75

he allready said he hasnt had an alignment done, he's doing trial & error :confused:

thanks guys, haven't had a chance to take the wheel off, hopefully tomorrow. But keep the ideas coming

Well i managed to get the wheel off and no change. I changed the other sheels and no change. The dam thing still vibrates and it starting to piss me off.

So who here knows if it could be the clutch. I have tried to see if going down a hill at 100kph in neutral, clatch in, clutch out ext, makes any differance and i can't pick any up.
Well i don't think so. But for example if i am standing staitionaly on a hill and just ride the clutch it does not chader or anything funny. It has chadered before a few time at an od time, but only when cold.

I wil have a good look arround both wheels and bearings on the weekend but the bearings make no noise or anything?

SO WHAT THE fucuck is it. Anyone?????

Would a wheel alignment make any differeance, i am not certain that it would. I am thinking of booking the car in to peders for the 28 point suspention check to see if anything is out on the front end.

The problem with FWD cars is that everything is over the front and hard to isolate.

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Well i managed to get the wheel off and no change. I changed the other sheels and no change. The dam thing still vibrates and it starting to piss me off.

So who here knows if it could be the clutch. I have tried to see if going down a hill at 100kph in neutral, clatch in, clutch out ext, makes any differance and i can't pick any up.
Well i don't think so. But for example if i am standing staitionaly on a hill and just ride the clutch it does not chader or anything funny. It has chadered before a few time at an od time, but only when cold.

I wil have a good look arround both wheels and bearings on the weekend but the bearings make no noise or anything?

SO WHAT THE fucuck is it. Anyone?????

Would a wheel alignment make any differeance, i am not certain that it would. I am thinking of booking the car in to peders for the 28 point suspention check to see if anything is out on the front end.

The problem with FWD cars is that everything is over the front and hard to isolate.

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Dude I don't know how hard you hit that rock, but since you say the vibration has started soon after you hit it why not look at the easy things first??? clutch wtf??? try a bent tie rod, control arm, sus balljoint or bush. If your wheels are not pointing in exactly the right direction you will get vibrations or worse. You say its urgent, get a alignment done they are cheap as ****. A wheel aligner will do a better check of the front end than someone who wants to sell you a set of chrome plated shockies. I'm guessing its a free 28 pt susp. check....

The thing is bender, that the vibration started last week, i hit the rock over a month ago.

I am simply unsure how a tie rod eould make the car vibrate? can you explain

just read yur first post again, you hit a rock hard enough to bend the wheel. That impact must have transfered to the suspension/steering somewhere.

If something was damaged maybe a bush could compensate for it for a while but then it might get worse the more you drive it....ie the damaged bit gets chewed out causing slop and therefore vibration.

Its hard to diagnose from over here in perth but thats all i can think of at the moment.

Good luck with it anyway

The most logical course of action would be to get a wheel alignment done if you dont your not really taking the advice you have asked for !!!!!!!! ;)



Wheel alignment would have been the first thing I would have had done after getting the wheel fixed.

i say get an alignment and get the tyre guys to check weather the steal band inside the tyre has twisted !

sometimes they do, which will cause vibrations, weather the tyre is brand new or not, it can happen.

ah well if all fails theres always the option of your nearest mitsu dealer/workshop ....

It's not that i don't want to take advice, i appriciate it all, i am just not sure why a wheel allignment would work, but it's booked in anyway. As to the tire that was hit it makes no differance if the tire is off the car, i swapped all 4 wheels and the vibration is still there.

The vibration is there at low speed to a more of a woble i guess, like something is rotatin off center

Is the vibration dependent on day temperature?

I read in a volvo s70 manual once that certain steel belted tyres (partlcularly the ones factory supplied with the s70 - cant remember what type now) can hold their shape after sitting overnight. & on a cold day, some vibration feedback can be felt through the steering @ highway speeds. It is said this is normal, as it will go away.

Another possibility: If the tyres were driven beyond their rated speed limit, tyre are stretched out of shape due to centrifugal forces causing vibration. maybe you could swith wheels with another car and determine if the problem is with tyres or the car.

Good luck in finding a resolution soon.

It's not that i don't want to take advice, i appriciate it all, i am just not sure why a wheel allignment would work, but it's booked in anyway. As to the tire that was hit it makes no differance if the tire is off the car, i swapped all 4 wheels and the vibration is still there.

The vibration is there at low speed to a more of a woble i guess, like something is rotatin off center


Mate if youve owned as many heaps of **** as I have you would know what a dramatic difference a wheel alignment can make....eg old falcons that flog out camber bolts & idler arms, all without hitting anything....

Let us know how ya go :D

I HAVE changed all 4 tires to the standard ones and no differance.

The tires i have purchased are the best i could get. Not only that but unlike most shops that sell magna tires with incorrect weigh loading mine istead of being 95 are 97 load weighted.

I'm gona keep searching.

Well ok so i did some investigating. I never actually changed all 4 wheels for a different set of 4 wheels, just 1 or 2 at a time.

So after work today i put the front of the car, RH, on a jack and secured everything. I put another jack under the suspention so it wouldn't osscilate like crazy just in the air.

With the current wheel on the car vibrates at about 60 so taking into affect of the diff about 120 in real life. Taking the wheel off the vibration disapeares but at about 120 on the spedo the vibration comes back.

I did the same to the LH side and same scenario. I then replaced one of the wheels with a standard wheel and the vibration was almost gone, well propably all gone.

I also got to see wheather it was the clutch and it's definatly not that. If the wheel free rolled in the air with the engine off in Neutral, it still did it.

With no wheels on the vibration is gone.

So it looks like it could be the tires after all, eaven though i had them ballance on the weekend.

It looks like the tires are out of round or something and move a lot up and down both sides.

I need to get two good wheels form somone to see what is going on.

I am going to contact Bob Jane tomorrow to see what is going on.

AS for suspention issues i did not see or feel any, and the magna does not have any tie rods like a normal car.

Had a good look at all the boll joints and link arms, and did not see anything or could find any slack. Sow ho knows.

I will get a hold of some other wheels to test.

I'll c what Bob Jane says.

If I understand corectly: the wheels lifted & freely spinning in the air with vibration would likely mean the wheels are out of balance & not so much out of round?

Free spinning wheels do seem to vary a surprising amount, and can seem badly out of shape, they are but most occassions are not severe enough to cause problems. The balancing equipment on the last job could be stuffed or your weights could have fallen off? Should get a second opinion on the wheel balance status by someone else.

yeah, well what i mean was that the rim did not move up and down but the tire did. As if it was out of round or something.

Gona see what happens with two new wheels on the front and a rebalance.

Elo

Well got the car booked into Bob Jane to see what is going on. Going to be fixed free of charge. They thing it could be the tires.

guess what it was.

it wasn't the tires. Apparantly one of the mags was missing a locating ring which helps to position the mag on the hub, seams ok now, but have not had a chance to test it on the higway as yet. BYT it seams ok low speed.

WELL FUCUCKIT, the vibration is back, not so bad but back. I am really starting to get pissed off as to what it is.

The saga continues

Sorry if I missed in thread it's been a few days since I've read the first few pages, but have CV joints been mentioned?

yeah CV's are fine, no clunks, all good. Still have a posability of drive shafts but hardly unlikely. I had the tires rebalanced and checked and that fixed it for 2 days, now it's back.

well got new wheels and tires form a friend, standard rims, and the vibrations appears to still be there. Peders found nothing wrong, and BJ has no ideas. Mitsa****y is looking at it on moday morning. See how we go.

Hey Rus, I’m not expert but I think your magna suffer from breaks disorder. Maybe pads/rotors or ABS system is failing-did u check it?

it's Wogs R us Sorry LOL,

well i have checked the brake discs and nothing, i have a dial guage all good, well within limits, the vibration does not occur under braking at all.

I found the other day that at 3000rpm in first you can really feal the car move, like a off center wheel bearing.

But do you have this car since new? If not maybe car was damage before,then “cheap professional” fixed it and now effects are coming out?

nah i did not have it since new, but i knew the lady owner and she never chrashed it. I am starting to lean more towards a damaged wheel bearing. The type of movement the car presents at low speed indicates something is off the center.