ive noticed over the past month that the vrx brakes really dont hold up much with more than 2 people in the car or when you really want to put on the stompers.

are the vrx brakes different from standard ? i know the ralliart brakes are better how much better and how $$$ are they ?

if you drive a vrx have you also noticed this ?

maybe there is a leak problem with my brakes but i have nothing to compare them with.

Do you mean they don't feel strong enough or they fade?
If they aren't able to lock the wheels up then there is something wrong. If they are fading with extra passengers then the Ralliart brakes should help.

Do you mean they don't feel strong enough or they fade?
If they aren't able to lock the wheels up then there is something wrong. If they are fading with extra passengers then the Ralliart brakes should help.

yeh they do lock up

is the brake pedal meant to feel slightly spungy or meant to be rock sometimes it feels like i can pump the brakes to rock but it could just be how its normally meant to be.

could it be there is air in the lines ? but i thought there was meant to be a auto bleeding for air and crap like that.

Spongy is pretty subjective so I can't comment. But it's not supposed to be rock hard like it is when you have the engine off and you pump the pedal.

yeh its hard to explain unless you drive it as well.

say i have a target to stop at eg car infront etc. I put my foot on the pedal and braking starts. I put my foot on more and its sort of stays a constant braking where in my other car seems if you hold the brake in a constant position it will slow you down to almost nothing.

ive checked all the fluids etc . i guess ill just get it checked out with my 15000 service which should be in the next 2 weeks.

anyone know how much ralliart brake packages are worth + labour ?

That's just Magna brakes in general I think. The top third are spungy and the last third bite. Thing I've noticed which sounds the same as you is that when I'm braking down a hill at 60 and I have two or more passengers, I can stop the car but not as fast as I should and it gives this horrible grinding noise. I asked the tech to check them at the next service and he said they are in good working shape and the pads haven't worn down. I thought time for better rotors and pads so that might be a cheap avenue for you. I found some brakes from an AWD Verada and shall attempt the swap when I get big enough wheels. From what I've been told, Ralliart brakes + labour are probably worth around the 3.5 grand mark.

That does sound a little bit odd. In my car if I don't move my foot my deceleration stays constant.

hmm i havent had that problem with mine. Except if i've been giving the brakes a thrashing, then i have to push the brake pedal in further than i normally do

trent - thats called brake fade!!

where you are hard on and off the brakes then the brakes seem to dissappear - not pleasant at the worst of times!!

Manual

Yep you guys are right. VRX brakes are the same as a normal Magna(CRAP).
I have done the ralliart upgrade on my VRX. No it stops so now it gets UNICHIPPED.

Better brake pads on the normal Magna setup will have that effect too.

Yes they probably will but not as much as twin pot callipers on the front abd a 30% increase in swept area will.

Yep you guys are right. VRX brakes are the same as a normal Magna(CRAP).
I have done the ralliart upgrade on my VRX. No it stops so now it gets UNICHIPPED.

revelstone2,

If you don't mind me asking - how much did your brake upgrade cost? (Including labour)

Were they genuine Ralliart items? Or just similar?

Thanks.

[quote:38b2d86921="revelstone2"]Yep you guys are right. VRX brakes are the same as a normal Magna(CRAP).
I have done the ralliart upgrade on my VRX. No it stops so now it gets UNICHIPPED.

revelstone2,

If you don't mind me asking - how much did your brake upgrade cost? (Including labour)

Were they genuine Ralliart items? Or just similar?

Thanks.[/quote:38b2d86921]

yep cost would be great to know.

OK I hope you boys are sitting down. The brakes are genuine RALLIART parts.(remember I work for a Mitsubishi dealer) The upgrade all genuine cost me $3600 inc labour.
Expensive i know, but long term well worth it since we plan on keeping our VRX for a long time.
This was the only thing my wife(who drives it all the time) did not like about it.
RPW has a kit that they do for about 1/2 the price I think.
I wanted to keep with genuine Mitsu parts since I could get them at cost and pay it off over time.
Geoff

Since we're on the topic of Brakes, can we use AM brake rotors and calipers? can we just install Bremba or even HSV twin caliper rotors and brake calipers onto our Magnas? althought it will probably cost just as much. oh well.

just a thought.

Oh, about cross drilling, is it possible to pay a small amount of money to have the mechanic modify the stock discs into cross drilled one? haha.. it most probably won't work, but just wondering.

A cheaper option would be to just get DBA Slotted rotors and bendix ultimate pads. That would improve braking heaps.

RPW Markets teh same brake packaged as the ralliart models including ebc Kevlar "Green Stuff" brake pads for the Magnas for around $1400.00

We also do a standard upgrde of a twin piston caliper and kevlar brake pads for the stock rotor diameter for around $900.00 which improves braking by at least 50%.

Also if you are looking for better brake pads the EBC Kevlar range you cannot use the DBA rotors for various reasons. But you can use the EBC rotors which again RPW stocks for similiar prices to the DBA and I can garauntee they look good and will enhance the braking with no warpage or cracking.

The RPW TT Magna runs the brakes packages described above with no drama's

Hi Guys,

I'm new to this forum - 1st post. I used to drive a TJ Sports and now have a TJ Ralliart. There is a very big difference in brake performance between the two models. I had no idea the brake upgrade was worth $3500 though.

Here's a tip - with Ralliarts going cheap at Mitsubishi dealers right now anybody toying with modding their magnas should really consider a trade in on a Ralliart. You get heaps of mods from the factory, and Ralliarts can be had for under $40K on the road. Changeover from a TJ VRX for instance would only be $15 - $20K - well worth it I think - thats what I did!

Cheers,

Mark

wow, you went from a Much better car than mine, TJ to an even better car RallyArt. If I had that much money to start off with, I think I may have gotten a AWD then start modding. maybe cheaper that way than a Ralliart. just a thought.

for some reason i keep seeing AWD Magnas . But none of them are done up, can't wait to see some one do up an AWD Magna.