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I am doing the after market upgrade to the 294mm front rotors pads & calliper but have struck a problem with the twin piston calliper ! (my cars on the hoist at the local garrage )

I had already upgraded to the twin piston calliper a while ago and thought I would only need to buy the rotors and pads !
The twin piston calliper I have are the ones that come off of the ABS model station wagon varadas or pageros, but have found those callipers are not the ones that fit the larger 294mm rotor !

I have asked the local supplier in Osborne Park about the 294mm kit (callipers rotors & pads) that suit the 1998 magna and he answered that the callipers where off a different model and he can supply reconditioned callipers and new rotors and pads for just over $900.00 the pair, but he would not indicate which model the callipers come from (not surprising at the profit he will be making) !
He also said that there is no spacer plates needed (so its not a boggy job) !

Has anyone fitted or really knows for sure which model magna the callipers come off that will suit the 294mm rotors ?

Please don’t give me a guess as the parts are expensive and are not returnable !

Thanks
Nic

Where did your twin piston calipers come from? AWD and Ralliart twin pistons and rotors are a direct swap on a 3rd gen regardless of ABS or sedan / wagon.

I've got the twin pistons and rotors from an AWD Verada (with ABS obviously) on my non-ABS TF.

Where did your twin piston calipers come from? AWD and Ralliart twin pistons and rotors are a direct swap on a 3rd gen regardless of ABS or sedan / wagon.

I've got the twin pistons and rotors from an AWD Verada (with ABS obviously) on my non-ABS TF.
Hey !
Mine is a non ABS 1998 magna !
I put the twin piston calapers on that where off of an ABS verada which was the manufactuirers upgrade from the single piston to the twin piston calliper on the ABS models there after !

have you got the 294mm rotors on ?
Are the AWD rotors 294mm ?

Are the AWD callipers different from the twin piston calliper from the verada s/wagons pagero's etc ?

I'm pretty sure the twin piston calipers that you have at the moment that bolt directly onto your standard 276mm rotors are from a 2nd gen verada.

The twin piston calipers that you need to fit to your 294mm rotors will come from a ralliart magna or an AWD magna. To best of my knowledge and from everything I have read here, they are a straight swap across.

You can find more information about your existing calipers here:

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20231&highlight=rotor+size

Mine is a non ABS 1998 magna !
I put the twin piston calapers on that where off of an ABS verada which was the manufactuirers upgrade from the single piston to the twin piston calliper on the ABS models there after !
But what Verada? KR / KS / KJ / KL?


have you got the 294mm rotors on ?
Are the AWD rotors 294mm ?
Yes, I have the 294mm rotors on the from the AWD.


Are the AWD callipers different from the twin piston calliper from the verada s/wagons pagero's etc ?
I believe they are different to the Pajero's which I think might be similar to the 2nd gen Veradas and not our 3rd gen models.

I think Mark H is on the money.

I'm pretty sure the twin piston calipers that you have at the moment that bolt directly onto your standard 276mm rotors are from a 2nd gen verada.

The twin piston calipers that you need to fit to your 294mm rotors will come from a ralliart magna or an AWD magna. To best of my knowledge and from everything I have read here, they are a straight swap across.

You can find more information about your existing calipers here:

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20231&highlight=rotor+size

yes mine are the standard 276mm rotor callipers as I have found out !

The question is are the AWD rallyart callipers the callipers that suit the 294mm rotors (which are the evo8 rotors) are they different from the 276mm callipers that I have
Nic

But what Verada? KR / KS / KJ / KL?


Yes, I have the 294mm rotors on the from the AWD.


I believe they are different to the Pajero's which I think might be similar to the 2nd gen Veradas and not our 3rd gen models.

I think Mark H is on the money.

Great then the AWD are the model that have the different callipers !
Thanks for your valued advise !
Off to source some AWD callipers !
Does anyone have some ?
Nic

yes mine are the standard 276mm rotor callipers as I have found out !

The question is are the AWD rallyart callipers the callipers that suit the 294mm rotors (which are the evo8 rotors) are they different from the 276mm callipers that I have
Nic
Yep, different calipers entirely. For 294mm rotors, you will need to get calipers from a ralliart or an AWD.

By the way, what are you going to be doing with your current 276mm twin piston calipers?? Selling??????

Yep, different calipers entirely. For 294mm rotors, you will need to get calipers from a ralliart or an AWD.

By the way, what are you going to be doing with your current 276mm twin piston calipers?? Selling??????

are you interested in the twin callipers ?
I upgraded to the twin piston callipers and DBA slotted rotors and green stuff brake pads
(bolt on to exsisting) and it was a huge increase in stopping power !
mines an auto so am upgrading further !
Nic

are you interested in the twin callipers ?

More curious as to how much you would be wanting for them at this stage. Would love to get a pair but really cant afford to do so at the moment :cry:

soz to hijack but didnt all magna v6's come with abs; mitsu said they all did; i thought i didnt have it then tested with downhill braking in nuetral; abs shudder....

soz to hijack but didnt all magna v6's come with abs; mitsu said they all did; i thought i didnt have it then tested with downhill braking in nuetral; abs shudder....

No not all magnas came wit ABS
I have a july 1998 TF magna sedan and its NON ABS, NON AIRBAG, NON TRACTION CONTROLE, NON ANYTHING... lol

soz to hijack but didnt all magna v6's come with abs; mitsu said they all did; i thought i didnt have it then tested with downhill braking in nuetral; abs shudder....
I got a 99 TH and that does'nt have ABS either :cry:

soz to hijack but didnt all magna v6's come with abs; mitsu said they all did; i thought i didnt have it then tested with downhill braking in nuetral; abs shudder....

ABS shudder ?
You may not understand what ABS is !
ABS is an anti skid brake control that when the brakes lock ie. the wheels lock up and skids on the surface of the road, the anti skid control unit relieves the pressure between the brake pad and the rotor momentarily allowing the wheel to rotate again then allows the wheel to almost lock again then relieving the presure between the brake pads and the brake rotor again and so on until you come to a complete stop !
This allows maximum braking as with a wheel lockup or skidding the tyres has less traction on the road surface then does a tyre that is almost locked up or almost skidding !
The way to try your ABS is to slowly...say at 30kms per hour go down a dirt/ gravel road and when you apply your foot to the brake in an emergency stop, if the brakes lock up and the tyres skid until you stop then the car is non ABS or the anti skid devise/unit is not working !
If you have ABS then you will feel a pulsing under foot and the wheels will not stop rotating or if they do it only momentary as the ABS relieves presure and the tyre rotates again and no matter how hard you you apply the brake the wheels should not lockup for any duration!
I hope this clears it up for you what ABS does !
Nic

soz to hijack but didnt all magna v6's come with abs; mitsu said they all did; i thought i didnt have it then tested with downhill braking in nuetral; abs shudder....
Nope. Sounds like warped rotors :bowrofl:

No not all magnas came wit ABS
I have a july 1998 TF magna sedan and its NON ABS, NON AIRBAG, NON TRACTION CONTROLE, NON ANYTHING... lol
It will have trace control.


ABS is an anti skid brake control that when the brakes lock ie. the wheels lock up and skids on the surface of the road, the anti skid control unit relieves the pressure between the brake pad and the rotor momentarily allowing the wheel to rotate again then allows the wheel to almost lock again then relieving the presure between the brake pads and the brake rotor again and so on until you come to a complete stop !
This allows maximum braking as with a wheel lockup or skidding the tyres has less traction on the road surface then does a tyre that is almost locked up or almost skidding !
The way to try your ABS is to slowly...say at 30kms per hour go down a dirt/ gravel road and when you apply your foot to the brake in an emergency stop, if the brakes lock up and the tyres skid until you stop then the car is non ABS or the anti skid devise/unit is not working !
If you have ABS then you will feel a pulsing under foot and the wheels will not stop rotating or if they do it only momentary as the ABS relieves presure and the tyre rotates again and no matter how hard you you apply the brake the wheels should not lockup for any duration!
I hope this clears it up for you what ABS does !
Nic
ABS isn't necessarily good for gravel / dirt. It's great for dumb drivers on the road who don't know how to drive and brake properly and has save and aweful lot of lives / damage and it gets better with every interation.

How was the DBA's going with the Green Stuff pads? They are supposed to be a poor match to have together. They work too well and the rotors get worn out quick.

More curious as to how much you would be wanting for them at this stage. Would love to get a pair but really cant afford to do so at the moment :cry:

Mark !
How much do you want to part with ?
With in reason that is as I would have no use for the afterwards if you see what I mean ?
Nic

Nope. Sounds like warped rotors :bowrofl:

It will have trace control.


ABS isn't necessarily good for gravel / dirt. It's great for dumb drivers on the road who don't know how to drive and brake properly and has save and aweful lot of lives / damage and it gets better with every interation.

How was the DBA's going with the Green Stuff pads? They are supposed to be a poor match to have together. They work too well and the rotors get worn out quick.

Team Jesus !
The reason God invented ABS was, and not nesisarily limited to, any slippery surfaces ie. gravel roads, wet roads, ice, snow, sleat, cat guts and really any slippery surfaces that a car may find its self slidding on while under braking !
The whole idea for ABS is so the vehicle does not skid out of control and weave accross the said road hitting inanimate objects like trees, cars, cows and churches !
I hope this has cleared up why God invented ABS
Nic

Ps As far as BDA and Green stuff... I have used just about every combination you can find. The Green stuf is the only pad good enough to allow cold braking from go and pleanty of hard braking before brake fade, In saying that I have not experienced brake fade with this combination even though i wore a set of pads out within 5,000 yes 5,000 ks !
The kevlar in the pads however over heats the rotor causing warpage in the rotor ! Hence Im going to the 294mm rotor bigger pads and hope to solve the under braked magna !

Team Jesus !
The reason God invented ABS was, and not nesisarily limited to, any slippery surfaces ie. gravel roads, wet roads, ice, snow, sleat, cat guts and really any slippery surfaces that a car may find its self slidding on while under braking !
Heh heh :D


The whole idea for ABS is so the vehicle does not skid out of control and weave accross the said road hitting inanimate objects like trees, cars, cows and churches !
I hope this has cleared up why God invented ABS
I'm well aware of ABS and I'm not by any way saying that it's not good but there are situations where it's not desirable. Mainly because people don't know anything about it. It's not a black and white issue that it's 100% the best in every situation. Any good defensive driving course will explain this and demonstrate it.

The main problem is that people hit the brakes, it locks, ABS kicks in and starts doing its job then people get off the pedal then wonder why they start sliding when they hit the pedal again. People should be taught that if they envoke ABS, they should keep their foot on the brake until the situation has resolved itself.

Obviously it's great on the pavement in the dry or wet but there are other situations on dirt where it's not necessarily good. I'm not saying it's bad in dirt all the time, it's just not always ideal. Just because you can slide on dirt / gravel doesn't mean it's the same scenario as being in a wet / icy situation. It's party to do with the sensors being given misinformation in a situation where it locks, the car slides but it's sliding on a solid base. The end result is the system which is designed for pavement, thinks it's driving on pavement (because 99% of the time it is), and then does what is right for pavement.

That's have the reason that some recent Evo's have a mode setting. It's to tell the ECU what the diffs should be doing but it would also adjust the ABS accordingly.

I'm after green stuff pads and some stage (when budget allows) but I'll be getting tougher rotors like RDA or EBC. Good to hear you say they have good response when cold.

Heh heh :D


I'm well aware of ABS and I'm not by any way saying that it's not good

Well I or God don't need to say any more on that subject then !
Nic


That's have the reason that some recent Evo's have a mode setting. It's to tell the ECU what the diffs should be doing but it would also adjust the ABS accordingly.

Yes you are right...
When they use the evo8's as rally cars they slide the cars into the corners using the brakes (and not just the hand brake) so thats why they now have an adjustment for the ABS on the evo's so they can slide them into the corner !
Nic


I'm after green stuff pads and some stage (when budget allows) but I'll be getting tougher rotors like RDA or EBC. Good to hear you say they have good response when cold.

The Green Stuff pads are about $180.00 per set and yes I have gone to the EBU slotted rotors in the 294mm as they are a matched set with the green stuff pads and the 294mm rotors !

The drilled and slotted rotors are not the ones to get in the 294mm

My understanding is the drilled and slotted rotors still have a warping problem but the slotted only rotors dont !
Nic

Mark !
How much do you want to part with ?
With in reason that is as I would have no use for the afterwards if you see what I mean ?
Nic
Have sent you a Private message regarding this Nic :P

Read for a while and stopped, got bored again lol

Might have been covered already, if not then here it is

The second gen with twin spot run the same caliper as the awd and the Verada XI
The only difference is the mounting bracket between the 3

As you are using the larger rotor you need the bracket from the awd calipers. The rest is the same.

In theory you cold use the second gen caliper on the third gen if you can get the bracket.

The Second Gen Caliper will fit the Third gen however the bracked WILL NOT

It is natural that when you enlarge your rotor you will need to move the caliper out, which is what the bracket will do

The second gen with twin spot run the same caliper as the awd and the Verada XI
The only difference is the mounting bracket between the 3
As you are using the larger rotor you need the bracket from the awd calipers. The rest is the same.
In theory you cold use the second gen caliper on the third gen if you can get the bracket.
The Second Gen Caliper will fit the Third gen however the bracked WILL NOT
It is natural that when you enlarge your rotor you will need to move the caliper out, which is what the bracket will do[/QUOTE]

So what your saying is I have the twin piston calliper and only need the bracket ?
Nic

So what your saying is I have the twin piston calliper and only need the bracket ?
Nic

heres a pic of the 2nd gen twin pot next to ralliart. does it look this?