Just wondering if anyone has seen or found any info on times for the 380, having a hard time finding the info, prob coz they are still a new car.

Also how do they rank against the 3.5L magna's?

anyone at all? I'd really like to see how it compares to the magna's :D

Think dealerships would let me test drive it on a drag track? :P

If one of the 380 owners on here has been to the drag strip, they haven't posted up their times.

I got a base 380 (rental) to do about 7.4 seconds using my stopwatch.:D

I would like to see a drag race between the base model auto Mitsubishi 380 against a base model auto VZ Commodore. I'd put my money on the Mitsubishi.

FF

I would like to see a drag race between the base model auto Mitsubishi 380 against a base model auto VZ Commodore. I'd put my money on the Mitsubishi.

FF


After driving a VZ with the Alloytech 175 in it, I would place a bet on my VR-X beating the Commodore. The VZ was absolute crap, even if it was for two weeks as a company car. The auto is absolute rubbish.

I would hazard a bet on a 380 pulling a 15-16 Quarter. They seem like a quick car, and have a great engine.

The alloytec 175 is possibly the most disappointing engine i have ever driven behind...

After driving a VZ with the Alloytech 175 in it, I would place a bet on my VR-X beating the Commodore. The VZ was absolute crap, even if it was for two weeks as a company car. The auto is absolute rubbish.

I would hazard a bet on a 380 pulling a 15-16 Quarter. They seem like a quick car, and have a great engine.

It is interesting to note that both the 380 and the VZ use Bosch engine managment systems. This is new to both of them as Mitsubishi used Melco engine managment for all Magna models and Holden used Delphi engine managment right up to VY Commodore.

So the main difference between the two is the mechanical design of the engines. On paper the VZ is the better engine. But in the real world the 380 is the better performing engine of the two. Those who have driven both vehicles can confirm this.

FF

It is interesting to note that both the 380 and the VZ use Bosch engine managment systems. This is new to both of them as Mitsubishi used Melco engine managment for all Magna models and Holden used Delphi engine managment right up to VY Commodore.

So the main difference between the two is the mechanical design of the engines. On paper the VZ is the better engine. But in the real world the 380 is the better performing engine of the two. Those who have driven both vehicles can confirm this.

FF

Surprising, as MMAL use Jap engines now, I always assumed they used a Jap EMS, although I knew the Boat Anchor 175 and 190 used the Bosch system. Out of interest, what do Ford use in the Falcon engine? Bosch also?

Another thing the 380 has going for it is the GearBox. The Holden 4 Speeder is older than my Sister, and the 5 Speeder isn't much better. The 380 that I drove, although only a Base model, had a great feel Gearbox.

Pretty sure the Bosch used in the 380 is a whole different kettle of fish to the bosch in the VZ, same brand but not much else in common.

Matthius

Holden are probably deliberately detuning the 175kw alloytec, so that when the VE comes out in a few months, with a smoother and better tune of the engine, it will facilitate a more dramatic difference between the VZ and VE.

.....what do Ford use in the Falcon engine? Bosch also?

Visteon supplies the engine managment system for the Falcon.

FF

Im hoping Doug will come to a Drag Strip day with us sometime in the next few months.. He just picked up a 380 VRX.

Im hoping Doug will come to a Drag Strip day with us sometime in the next few months.. He just picked up a 380 VRX.
Get Dougie out to heathcote on sunday :D.
That's if he has his car before then.

After driving a 6speed (manual) VZ Ute, I can't see why everyone is complaining about the VZ alloytechs (apparently smoother then VY).

IT pulled smoothly from low revs, had a nice flat torque curve and loves a rev. I didn't experience any unusual vibration or harshness. I don't know, seams like people are just jumping on the jurno bandwagon of the motors being crap from when they first appeared.

I looked at getting a manual SV6, good response, liked to rev, just gutless, it wasnt fast.

It is interesting to note that both the 380 and the VZ use Bosch engine managment systems. This is new to both of them as Mitsubishi used Melco engine managment for all Magna models and Holden used Delphi engine managment right up to VY Commodore.
How come there's a Bosch control unit in my Magna?

After driving a 6speed (manual) VZ Ute, I can't see why everyone is complaining about the VZ alloytechs (apparently smoother then VY).

IT pulled smoothly from low revs, had a nice flat torque curve and loves a rev. I didn't experience any unusual vibration or harshness. I don't know, seams like people are just jumping on the jurno bandwagon of the motors being crap from when they first appeared.

You're on to something there my good friend...

Ah, yes, the conformist public. SOME people say they don't like TL Magnas, so everyone else joins in so as to feel included. Same goes with Alloytec. Whilst I enjoy denegrating all things Holden, I'll wait till I drive one first.

One thing I do know from personal experience is that as far as Aussie cars go you can't beat the Mitsu bent six for aural quality:D . No matter how much I plant my mum's TF V6, that sweet sound still gets me excited.:drool:

How come there's a Bosch control unit in my Magna?

Where is that Bosch control unit located in your car?

FF

Where is that Bosch control unit located in your car?

FF
Behind the centre console. The Haltech is plugged into it. I think I had a pic on here somewhere. Doubt I'll find it but I'll give it ago.

Behind the centre console. The Haltech is plugged into it. I think I had a pic on here somewhere. Doubt I'll find it but I'll give it ago.


My Bosch unit controls my ABS. I think it also controls the Traction Control, but my Magna being Manual doesn't have TC.

You're on to something there my good friend...

Ah, yes, the conformist public. SOME people say they don't like TL Magnas, so everyone else joins in so as to feel included. Same goes with Alloytec. Whilst I enjoy denegrating all things Holden, I'll wait till I drive one first.

One thing I do know from personal experience is that as far as Aussie cars go you can't beat the Mitsu bent six for aural quality:D . No matter how much I plant my mum's TF V6, that sweet sound still gets me excited.:drool:

Just to ad, my experience in an Alloytech engined VY is with the slushbox. I haven't experienced the T56 manual.

My Bosch unit controls my ABS. I think it also controls the Traction Control, but my Magna being Manual doesn't have TC.
And me not having ABS...

Must be my headlights

And me not having ABS...

Must be my headlights

I have NFI then.

Sorry.

And me not having ABS...

Must be my headlights


nah... you right, magnas have been running bosch (well i can vouch for 2nd gens with both 4 and 6 cyls)

and it's the main ECU as thats what i just had to replace in the Verada

EDIT: Magna's all the way to TJ are listed, plus many many many other types of cars, rather surprising as to how many brands use bosch

http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/2247.htm and check out the engine man PDF link in the bottom right

Behind the centre console. The Haltech is plugged into it. I think I had a pic on here somewhere. Doubt I'll find it but I'll give it ago.

Then that is the Melco engine managment system which is built by Bosch under liscense.

FF

Times already quoted in Wheels, and power to weight ratios, indicate the 380 will be similar in performance to the 3.5L magnas. Ie, manuals flat 15/high 14, autos about mid 15. It remains to be seen how they will respond to mods though, but my guess is very well!

After driving a 6speed (manual) VZ Ute, I can't see why everyone is complaining about the VZ alloytechs (apparently smoother then VY).

IT pulled smoothly from low revs, had a nice flat torque curve and loves a rev. I didn't experience any unusual vibration or harshness. I don't know, seams like people are just jumping on the jurno bandwagon of the motors being crap from when they first appeared.
From all reports, the difference between the alloytech 175 and 190 is substanstial, and even more so when comparing the 4-speed auto to the 6 speed manual.
The manual 190kW alloytech IS a quick car and will provide competition to 3.5L manual magnas.

Times already quoted in Wheels, and power to weight ratios, indicate the 380 will be similar in performance to the 3.5L magnas. Ie, manuals flat 15/high 14, autos about mid 15. It remains to be seen how they will respond to mods though, but my guess is very well!

From all reports, the difference between the alloytech 175 and 190 is substanstial, and even for so comparing the 4-speed auto to the 6 speed manual.
The manual 190kW alloytech IS a quick car and will provide competition to 3.5L manual magnas.

1/4 mile times: Wheels December 2005
Mitsubishi 380 VRX 175kw manual - 15.4 seconds
Mitsubishi 380 VRX 175kw auto - 16.2 seconds

Holden Commodore 190kw SV6 6sp manual - 15.1 seconds
Holden Commodore 190kw SV6 5sp auto - 15.2 seconds

1/4 mile times: Wheels December 2005
Mitsubishi 380 VRX 175kw manual - 15.4 seconds
Mitsubishi 380 VRX 175kw auto - 16.2 seconds

Holden Commodore 190kw SV6 6sp manual - 15.1 seconds
Holden Commodore 190kw SV6 5sp auto - 15.2 seconds
exactly my point. Numbers close to that of TJ/TW's. Remember autospeed got 15.07 from a manual VR-X.

I wouldnt read too much into those 380 times, Wheels have been notorious for posting stupidly high times for FWD magnas...

I wouldnt read too much into those 380 times, Wheels have been notorious for posting stupidly high times for FWD magnas...
Whereas Motor managed a 15.3 for an SV6

Unless the cars are tested on the exact same day under the exact same conditions, it's hard to compare the cars accurately, especially with only a few tenths of a second between them in other tests.

Unless the cars are tested on the exact same day under the exact same conditions, it's hard to compare the cars accurately, especially with only a few tenths of a second between them in other tests.
And even then same models vary so much that a singular car can't represent what it should do which proves any of these comparisons are a joke. The cars that Wheels and Motor get to use prove this.

The cars that Wheels and Motor get to use prove this.
Which is exactly why the performance times in Wheels and Motor SHOULD stand - if the manufacturer provides Wheels or Motor with a poor performing car, then this could be representitive of the car that Joe Bloggs buys off the street.

Most recent example is the ugly times recorded by the Boss 290 engines in the Aussie car shootout in the last month's Motor. FPV should/would have run their own performance testing on the media cars to ensure they were up to the acceptable performance standards, therefore, if the car doesnt perform as well as expected, this car is representitive of what the public can buy, therefore the times should stand.

Heck, I think in the back of Motor they only list the best times overall from various months of testing for each model, I'd rather they list the best time from the worst test session.

The last 380 I drove I couldn't do a dash to 100kms/h in less than 8 seconds (8.3 in fact). Almost felt as though it needed a retuning!?!?!?:confused:

All others no problem, best time I've done so far is 7.4 seconds in both base and VRX using the tippy (Europcar won't be getting any manuals:rant: )

I've got my first 380LS in the driveway so I'll see what I can do with it on my day off tomorrow.:D