I cuurent don't have the magazine in front of me. But there a article about 380 as well as EVO IX.5.

Briefly remembering what in the article. It starts that Series 2 380 would be released late this year and focusing on what the 380 lacks now. There was also mentioned that possible Ralliart version with 190KW might spear front the new series.

Also on EVO front that XI.5 will be release later later this year with the X and detuned EVO at $40K due in January 2008.

Can we believe Wheels?

Dno. but in terms of engine efficiency the MIVEC 3.8 would probably use less fuel and they could also shove a six speed INVECS III auto in it which should atleast bring fuel consumption to 9.5-10l/100km. Which would be a good selling point for the car. As for believing wheels... hmm dno? Well if the VE looks anything like what wheels said then i'll trust there judgements for 380 series II.

But hey, question I have is that will Mitsu just make it a MY07 vehicle or actually call it 380 series 2? A series 2 would considering the VE's release, but i dno which way they will go.

Yeah and don't forget that if economy becomes everything... they still have 2.5 litre version of that engine in Japan which, since all 380 engines are imported anyway, they could offer as an option soon enough I imagine.

190kW just wont cut it with buyers wanting the sporting versions, they need to see 200kw out of that engine to pull buyers in for a ralliart version.
As for the standard models the same 175kW is fine, but the ralliart needs major bumpage in the kW area.

I think you'll find we might get a slight engine upgrade as well as some other minor stuff (reach adjustable steering), but I wouldn't be hoping for too much. After all it is a series 2 and not a face lift.

This is very worrying. When manufacturers start talking about the next model, it actually decreases sales, because everyone sits back and waits for the next model. Mitsubishi is falling into the same trap again. They should be enthusiastically pushing the car they have now, not some future model :( It really saddens me when companies completely f*** themselves over.

Agree with you totally. Afterall 380 is supposed to be 'make-or-break'. If they find 5 cents somewhere they should spend it on spruiking current car.

Flogging a dead horse comes to mind.

If I were selling cupcakes, and they werent selling very well at all...and I had cupcakes with sprinkles on them which I know would sell better, I'd get that them out on show asap.

It would be a different story if it were selling well, you'd keep pushing what you have and build on that reputation.

They're selling 1/3 of what they hoped. The 380 needs a steriod injection

Can we believe Wheels?

Unfortunately no.

FF

If everything Wheels said were true, then VRX and GT would have MIVEC 3.8 V6 pumping out 196kW and 353Nm. There would be a 6-speed manual as well, but I guess we'll just have to wait...:doubt:

Can we believe Wheels?

the wheels article quotes Rob McEniry

"What the 380 misses, and what we have to focus on, is giving it a little more wow factor"

"We have to make it a little more [special]. We're working on that"

Unfortunately no.

FF

whatever you believe about wheels, you have to believe the mitsubishi CEO surely!

The article quotes the mitsubishi CEO saying "we need to make the 380 a bit more special, we're working on that!"

before mid year they reckon there will be an upgrade. Should be interesting.

EDIT: oops the person before me already said most of that :P

whatever you believe about wheels, you have to believe the mitsubishi CEO surely!

The article quotes the mitsubishi CEO saying "we need to make the 380 a bit more special, we're working on that!"

before mid year they reckon there will be an upgrade. Should be interesting.

EDIT: oops the person before me already said most of that :P

Well I suggest you don't hold your breath while you are waiting for that special 380......

FF

Well I suggest you don't hold your breath while you are waiting for that special 380......

FF
Me guesses that an updated 380 will be around the same time as the updated BF. I reckon september to co-incide with VE.

the wheels article quotes Rob McEniry

"What the 380 misses, and what we have to focus on, is giving it a little more wow factor"

"We have to make it a little more [special]. We're working on that"


WoW factor hey.... I wonder if they read what we suggested?

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31618

WoW factor hey.... I wonder if they read what we suggested?

Be bloody good if they did and would be logical to. Who better to ask then people who have respect for the brand, of who, may actually buy the car.

Work on the series 2 is under way and should be out around Aug /Sept.
The base model will be getting a face lift and the VRX / GT supposedly
a full body kit and 190 kw . Cant say much more atm.

Work on the series 2 is under way and should be out around Aug /Sept.
The base model will be getting a face lift and the VRX / GT supposedly
a full body kit and 190 kw . Cant say much more atm.

thats good news
dont suppose you can say who your source is?

Work on the series 2 is under way and should be out around Aug /Sept.
The base model will be getting a face lift and the VRX / GT supposedly
a full body kit and 190 kw . Cant say much more atm.

SOURCE PLEASE! I really like the sounds of your post and will be fairly happy if this is true.

I spoke to Mitsu guy at aussie motors and he said that had been told the 380 will be getting ESP and reach adjustable steering column and maybe Xenon lights in LX and GT. He didn't mention an engine upgrade, mind you, I didn't ask him specifically about the engine.

Work on the series 2 is under way and should be out around Aug /Sept.
This all ties in with what i have been saying! Expect an updated BF @ the same time...:D

i heard that mitsubishi had listened very closely at the critisms wheels magazine in particular brought up about the car.. namely the bland styling of the base models, no reach adjustable steering, low quality interior plastics, lack of ESP and other passive safety options (such as curtain airbags)

also i feel the luxury models should have a bit of style differentiation from the base

Chrome door handles would look good on Lux models and possibly GT. Perhaps a chrome gear shifter thing and chrome interior door handles (as on last Verada). Auto headlights, LED taillights and perhaps standard GPS on GT?

Mitsu need it to be more agressive. They should angle the front lights differently, spread them more across the front bonnet and make them more pointier. The interior should have a metallic black or even full-on chrome centre column would look sick as. Perhaps they could slightly alter the rear positioned seat to increase headroom and add MORE AIRBAGS plz.

and yeah ESP should be standard on all except base. I was watching ABC the other week and they were bragging about how Hyundai are going to include it on all new models and how if every car had it apparently car crashes could be reduced by up to 90%?

AND FK they desperately need an ALL-NEW marketing campaign. Doesn't need to cost $$$$ to make, just something catchy. Only older Mitsu commerical I honestly really remember was the one with them in the TJ with that 'You get what you give' song (by whoever sings it, can't remember at the moment?), this was quite catchy especially how every one in the commercial was singing it.

If they wanted a really good commercial that got ppls attention I could stick my P plates on the car, they could give me $10k and I could show them what I could do to the car. Atleast this could show people what the car could look like and atleast they could try and give the car more youth appeal, or appeal to all those bogan commondore heads to change to a decent brand.

Work on the series 2 is under way and should be out around Aug /Sept.
The base model will be getting a face lift and the VRX / GT supposedly
a full body kit and 190 kw . Cant say much more atm.
:fruitcake :clap: ohhh yay

If they wanted a really good commercial that got ppls attention I could stick my P plates on the car, they could give me $10k and I could show them what I could do to the car. Atleast this could show people what the car could look like and atleast they could try and give the car more youth appeal, or appeal to all those bogan commondore heads to change to a decent brand.
Let the commodore bogans keep their dunnydoors, that's what makes magnas so good. :P Besides, magnas aren't RWD, so the bogans couldn't do fully sick burnouts.

i reckon the 380 will pull through, i reckon mist can hang in there for a while, if there looking at the reports about the cars, and listening to reasons why people aren't buying them, the series 2 will come through, despite, all the problem with fuel prices, there will still be a need for larger cars, it's hard to make a whole new car good the first time.

they'll come up with something,

but when people looking at a new car, see something like 200kw of power, aren;t they gonna think, it will chew petrol up?

but when people looking at a new car, see something like 200kw of power, aren;t they gonna think, it will chew petrol up?

no, they are more likely to go "hey the toyota aurion is a 3.5ltr engine and the commodore is a 3.6 while the 380 is a 3.8 so wouldn't that chew petrol up?"

Maybe the reason mitsu havent put 200+kw in a 380 with a 6 spd manual is because of a lack of control. the car has to be designed so that your average stupid person can drive it with ease.

im not sure, but i dont think that 200kw+ with a manual in a FWD would = easy to drive... :doubt:

Well ffeeky,I think it could work with auto and tracken control.As long your drive the car right it could work fine.

no, they are more likely to go "hey the toyota aurion is a 3.5ltr engine and the commodore is a 3.6 while the 380 is a 3.8 so wouldn't that chew petrol up?"

yea i suppose your right,

If they wanted a really good commercial that got ppls attention I could stick my P plates on the car, they could give me $10k and I could show them what I could do to the car. Atleast this could show people what the car could look like and atleast they could try and give the car more youth appeal, or appeal to all those bogan commondore heads to change to a decent brand.

um how many P plate VZs around that arnt there folks cars?

bogan commodore head, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA:bowrofl: :bowrofl: THAT SOUNDS FUNNY AS

Well if they do make a Ralliart 380 then they will need to firstly price it right. If it's in the mid high 50's then they maay struggle to sell it. If I was going to spend 55K on a sports car then I have quite a few choices, STI, Evo IX, Liberty Spec, Audi S3, Audi TT, RX8, 350Z.. I think this is where Mistu went wrong with the last Ralliart, too expensive. Also they need to get rid of the front wheel drive for a heavy car with 200kw+.. notice all the above cars are either RWD or AWD. So i reckon they wack in an AWD system, turbo/supercharge it, recaro systems, big rims, get the 0 - 100 times around high 5's, flog it for $49'990.. job well done. See what the opposition are doing, do it better, for cheaper. With the Ralliart they didn't do it better and it wasn't cheaper. A current example is Alfa Romeo.They are bringing out a new sports coupe this year, the Brera. Awesome looking 2 door coupe. But it has Astra style performance (0 - 100 8.8) and goes for $60'000! Who is going to buy that?

There is no way that ralliart could feasibly produce an AWD model of the 380 unless there was a factory model with AWD. The cost of doing that would be astronomical! On a side note though, I was looking at one of the VRX's that was stopped in the traffic today and I noticed that the disks and callipers looked to me to be larger than most factory ones (holden/ford). :thumbsup: Would this be the case?

There is no way that ralliart could feasibly produce an AWD model of the 380 unless there was a factory model with AWD. The cost of doing that would be astronomical! On a side note though, I was looking at one of the VRX's that was stopped in the traffic today and I noticed that the disks and callipers looked to me to be larger than most factory ones (holden/ford). :thumbsup: Would this be the case?
I think so. Standard 380 brakes are the same as the AWD/Ralliart brakes. Twin-pot front calipers on 294mm front rotors, 284mm rear rotors. The 380 has superior stopping distance from both 60km/h and 100km/h over both the Ford and Holden.

I read the Wheels article and was a little suprised to see that a Euro Accord was faster than the 380 over the 0-100 and 0-400 sprints. I expected them to at least have been on par with the 380 perhaps reaching a higher terminal speed over the quarter due to superior power/torque.

Having said that, there's probably a reason for it (engine not run in, auto vs manual...can't remember etc) but you couldn't blame it on the wheels testers unless it was deliberate. Otherwise the Euro accord wouldn't have clocked in the 7's and 15's.

Oh and the Commodore SS; 5.9 sec to 100km/hr! What a beast!:badgrin:

I read the Wheels article and was a little suprised to see that a Euro Accord was faster than the 380 over the 0-100 and 0-400 sprints. I expected them to at least have been on par with the 380 perhaps reaching a higher terminal speed over the quarter due to superior power/torque.


the quoted quarter mile time of the 380 is quite simply a ****ing joke!

I was looking at one of the VRX's that was stopped in the traffic today and I noticed that the disks and callipers looked to me to be larger than most factory ones (holden/ford). :thumbsup: Would this be the case?

Incorrect



Brakes
Ford has developed a new Performance brake package for the BF Falcon based on new hardware developed for the Territory. The new brakes outperform and therefore replace the previous premium brake option and are now fitted as standard to the XR6 Turbo and XR8 sedan/ute, and in conjunction with the 24-valve V8 engine in the Falcon XT, Fairmont, Fairmont Ghia, Fairlane G8 and LTD.

The package includes new pillar ventilated front rotors 322mm diameter by 28mm thick and new pillar ventilated rear rotors of 328mm x 26mm. These are substantially bigger than the standard 298 x 28mm ventilated fronts and 303 x 16mm solid rears.

As this set-up also surpasses the standard FPV brake package, it will prompt a brake upgrade for FPV’s BF range.

Incorrect
But that's not the base model Falcon is it? The 380 brakes are the same across the range.

The 380 brakes are the same across the range.
Yeah like everything else in the engine/drivetrain :doh: WHY MMAL?? WHERE'S THE PERFORMANCE ENGINE????:headbange

Yeah like everything else in the engine/drivetrain :doh: WHY MMAL?? WHERE'S THE PERFORMANCE ENGINE????:headbange

a major lack of something that resembled a development budget ment that MMAL could only afford 1 engine to start with. But dont fret, my "spies" assure me there is a couple of different engines on the way....

also remember the rumors that during the 380's development there was a certain turbocharged engine on the MMAL dyno? Well im not sure if you could class the person who told me this as a credible source, but he assures me that its still on the dyno.. i have no idea whether to believe that or not tho. I doubt MMAL would put a turbo V6 into a FWD car, it would be too much of a handful, and i doubt there will be any AWD models in the near future, although i wish there would be!

my "spies" assure me there is a couple of different engines on the way....

they way you mentioned the word couple gets me excited. I take it a higher performing current engine and the mivec.. just my guess.... soundz good.

As for the turbo v6 it soundz hot as. even if it is FWD oh well, it should still be alright. I mean Alfa have had some FWD models in Italy with like 250kw.

Keep dreaming boys.

Most people who have driven 380s and VZs have commented on how much more low down torque the 380s have compared with the Alloytech engine.

FF

Keep dreaming boys.

Most people who have driven 380s and VZs have commented on how much more low down torque the 380s have compared with the Alloytech engine.

FF
Who - you? Who else?

Still trolling?

Keep dreaming boys.

Most people who have driven 380s and VZs have commented on how much more low down torque the 380s have compared with the Alloytech engine.

FF

That's actually a fact. Alot of car reviews on the VZ have claimed that the VZ's Alloytech engine is unrefined and has a cruddy gearbox. They should have kept the Ecotec 3.8 in the VZ and spent $$$$ and time refining it and debuted it in the VE.

190kW just wont cut it with buyers wanting the sporting versions, they need to see 200kw out of that engine to pull buyers in for a ralliart version.
As for the standard models the same 175kW is fine, but the ralliart needs major bumpage in the kW area.
That matches it with Holden's "performance sixes"

That's actually a fact. Alot of car reviews on the VZ have claimed that the VZ's Alloytech engine is unrefined and has a cruddy gearbox. They should have kept the Ecotec 3.8 in the VZ and spent $$$$ and time refining it and debuted it in the VE.
The Alloytec is a disgusting engine. The old Ecotec (which mind you technically dates back to 1964) "felt" more powerful and no less refined.

The Alloytec is a disgusting engine. The old Ecotec (which mind you technically dates back to 1964) "felt" more powerful and no less refined.

I've driven a mates VZ s2(?) Ute with the 3.6 (latest euro 3 complient version), and it is definattlly not disgusting. It is a manual so not sure how the auto go, but this thing pulls very nicely. Smooth power/torque curve. It is failly smooth and there arn't any vibrations or anything. I don't know if they have worked on them since the first itteration, but this car felt very good, nice mid range and keep pulling all the way only starting to die down a few hundred rpm before cutout.

The Alloytec is a disgusting engine. The old Ecotec (which mind you technically dates back to 1964) "felt" more powerful and no less refined.


Did I missed something?Ecotec engine dates back to 1964,on what basic's????

Did I missed something?Ecotec engine dates back to 1964,on what basic's????

The only thing I can think of thats technically dating it back this far is the V angle and the basic bore and stroke ratio. Yep must be crap..lol

What about the rumors of a V8 engine?

I'm sure I read somewhere that both Toyota and our mob were going to have a V8 option for the new Large Cars, so they could compete in touring car racing again.

I couldn't imagine a V8 in a FWD. It would have to be AWD or even, er, RWDlol , otherwise it would have more understeer than a Trabant. Thing is if Mitsu don't have the dosh to compete in WRC, we can only dream of V8 Supercar involvement.

Btw I saw a heap of 380's on the road yesterday in and around Melbourne. I saw:

6 x base (2 blue, 2 white, 1 red, 1 silver)
5 x VRX (2 silver, 1 gold, 1 red, 1 electro)
1 x LS (grey)
3 x LX (1 black, 1 beige, 1 grey)
1 x GT (grey)

It was a happy, happy day - I ran out of tissues in no time!!!:redface:

It was a happy, happy day - I ran out of tissues in no time!!!:redface:

I didnt think the 380 looked THAT good:bowrofl:

I didnt think the 380 looked THAT good:bowrofl:

True. Not a fan of base models, but I am addicted to VRX/GT. Hey if it wears the triple diamond I'll give it a go.:)

True. Not a fan of base models, but I am addicted to VRX/GT. Hey if it wears the triple diamond I'll give it a go.

Speak my words mate. That's exactly how I feel. The VRX/GT look awsome (better then any other car, really) but the base model looks nasty with those hubcaps.

Just had to mention, did you know that the NZ version of the 380 has standard alloys + TRC on the base model 380? I don't know why as there prices are pratically the same as ours.

What in aus $ or nz $,mate?

Ok, I NZ the price for the standard manual 380 is below:

380 3.8 V6 manual sedan DB1D41 3828 $38,990

And in conversion, $1AU = $1.06NZ. So, therefore, it is actually $36,783.

Ok, so they're paying more, but, the shipping costs to get the car to NZ would be higher. It doesn't say anything about other costs (dealer delivery, etc.), but I take it that it isn't included.

Anyway still, why would MMAL make TRC and the 16" inch alloys standard on the base model in NZ and not in AUS?

Because it would be a different company that would import them and the competition may be different. The equivalent Holden may have alloys standard. Who cares in NZ I would be buying Jap imports anyway, ode to more relaxed import laws.

I couldn't imagine a V8 in a FWD. It would have to be AWD or even, er, RWDlol , otherwise it would have more understeer than a Trabant. Thing is if Mitsu don't have the dosh to compete in WRC, we can only dream of V8 Supercar involvement.

Btw I saw a heap of 380's on the road yesterday in and around Melbourne. I saw:

6 x base (2 blue, 2 white, 1 red, 1 silver)
5 x VRX (2 silver, 1 gold, 1 red, 1 electro)
1 x LS (grey)
3 x LX (1 black, 1 beige, 1 grey)
1 x GT (grey)

It was a happy, happy day - I ran out of tissues in no time!!!:redface:

Nice to see that I'm not the only nutbag counting 380s on public roads! :D My tally:

Oct - 0
Nov - 0
Dec - 2
Jan - 4
Feb - 7
Mar - 0

I've actually seen hundreds of 380s. But counting the cars stored at the back of Mitsubishi's assembly plant does not really count.

FF

They must be selling like hotcakes (why do hotcakes sell fast?) in tassie, i see at least 1-2 every time i go for a decent drive. Most in one day was around 15 :shock:

Yeah, when I was in the city the other day I seen around 3 - 4. Though, I was also suprised as I went to see a friends house at Elizabeth and even spotted two out that way, which really suprised me; they looked really good, especially considering everyone up that way generally drives 15 year old commodores (thats kind of making a bit of a generalisation).

But that's not the base model Falcon is it? The 380 brakes are the same across the range.

Its only on the base model v8 XT..

Base model XT (i6 engine) can have them optioned in.

Kind of retarded to have a standard set of brakes across the range when you spend more money on the 'upmarket' models..

Nice to see that I'm not the only nutbag counting 380s on public roads! :D My tally:

Oct - 0
Nov - 0
Dec - 2
Jan - 4
Feb - 7
Mar - 0

I've actually seen hundreds of 380s. But counting the cars stored at the back of Mitsubishi's assembly plant does not really count.

FF
You can't help yourself can't you?:nuts:

Pardon?

FF

Nice to see that I'm not the only nutbag counting 380s on public roads! :D My tally:

Oct - 0
Nov - 0
Dec - 2
Jan - 4
Feb - 7
Mar - 0

I've actually seen hundreds of 380s. But counting the cars stored at the back of Mitsubishi's assembly plant does not really count.

FF

Well, I just moved from Adelaide to Sydney. I saw ~4+ 380's a day in Adelaide. somedays, more. Seen 2 in Sydney in 3 weeks!

I was in Adelaide last week and the 380s are more common over there.

FF

I was in Adelaide last week and the 380s are more common over there.

FF

That is correct actually. Today I saw 8 380's. All of which were travelling on Prospect and Main North Rd. Don't know about the Eastern state sales, but I would be lead to believe that they have a higher % of market share. Just wish they would publish market share for each individual state (the figures must be available or how would they know that the Lancer is the highest selling small car in SA?).

I was in Adelaide last week and the 380s are more common over there.

FF
Just the same as Fords are more common here in Geelong...