hey guys im thinking bout gettin a stage 2 shift kit for my TH magna and just wanted to know is there ne one here who has this already in there car? wat differance did you feel? and how much did you pay. and also wat mods do i need to support in having a stge 2 shift kit? atm all i have is a 2.5" exhaust system and K&N panal filter and CAI will be done soon.

Thanks
Ash

got a link to this product?

nope thats wat im trying to find out about it. iv seen a lot of commy and falcons with this shift kit and i just want to know wat it is and how much and wat it does

nope thats wat im trying to find out about it. iv seen a lot of commy and falcons with this shift kit and i just want to know wat it is and how much and wat it does

Ashneel !

A shift kit is not a performance enhansing product as such and does not need any aditional
upgrades!

You fit a "shift kit" to the internal mechanical workings of an automatic transmission !

I fitted one to my 308 auto SLR torrana 1977 model so they have been around before you where born and so have I for that matter !

What it does and why:

Automatic transmissions are fluid driven and a "larger fluid pressure servo" (thats all a shift kit is) is fitted to the second gear "band" to stop the drum from spinning in your automatic transmission when the car "shifts" gear ie. from first gear to second gear ! This "pressure survo" clamps the "band" onto the spinning drum when the first gear "band" is realeased !

All this pressure survo (shift kit) does is stop any slipping of the "band" it clamps down hard and fast onto the spinning drum in the automatic transmission when changing gear !

The only noticable difference after fitting a "shift kit" with your auto magna would be instead of a nice smooth change from first to second gear it would now be a definite jerk into second gear as the tyres try to spin on the road as there is no slip now because the "shift kit" has clamped down hard !

This shift kit is used widely on fords and holden V8's when they are producing tremendouse horse power !

For instance if your magna is auto and you put a super charger or turbo on it you shold put a "shift kit" in the auto (thats if they make one) so the band does not slip excessivley when it trys to clamp down on the spinning drum inside the automatic transmission between gear changes !

unlike a cluch plate which is 10mm or so thick the automatic "bands" are less then half a mm thick (its actually a coating on a steel band) so constant slipping will wear out the coating and grind metal to metal in the automatic transmission causing heaps of problems !

I hope this has made sense as to what a "shift kit" is and what it does !

You wont need one untill your horse power level is increased dramaticly and in all new cars they are self adjusting and dont slip unless they are worn out !

Nic

For instance if your magna is auto and you put a super charger or turbo on it you shold put a "shift kit" in the auto (thats if they make one) so the band does not slip excessivley when it trys to clamp down on the spinning drum inside the automatic transmission between gear changes !

Therein lies the problem. shiftkits.com.au claim to have stopped development of shift kits for magna autos some time ago. If you were going to get one - it would have to be built specially by a performance automatic workshop, so you'd end up paying for their "R&D". In addition to this, you would most likely be the first 3rd gen magna owner to have their auto trans upgraded, "uncharted territory" so to speak.

...have their auto trans upgraded, "uncharted territory" so to speak.

Actually there's one upgrade for the 4 speed auto that's actually quite effective and worthwhile, and proven to help snatch those extra ponies at the wheels...


...manual conversion!

:bowrofl:

ahh thanks for all that Info Nic. i dont think i want my car to jerk every time it goes to secon coz ye it will be a lil annoying. but i really want to do something to my auto trans which will make it worth while in havin and anuto and NO i dont want to do a manual conversion coz i work in the city and always go and come back in peak hour traffic.

so does any one have ideas in wat can be done to improve Auto Tranny? i will be going down to my local auto center and get advice of them as well

thanks guys.

tranny cooler, and drive it like a manual when u wanna drive it hard. thats what i do and it split over 1 second from my 0-100 time

ahh thanks for all that Info Nic. i dont think i want my car to jerk every time it goes to secon coz ye it will be a lil annoying. but i really want to do something to my auto trans which will make it worth while in havin and anuto and NO i dont want to do a manual conversion coz i work in the city and always go and come back in peak hour traffic.

so does any one have ideas in wat can be done to improve Auto Tranny? i will be going down to my local auto center and get advice of them as well

thanks guys.

Sorry ashneel !

The loss of power you get thru an auto transmition is inherent because it is fluid drive or hydrolic driven gearbox and not direct gear driven as in a manual gearbox !

There is little you can do to compensate for that unless you change your torque converter to a race one but I dont know if they make one of those for the magna either !

The torque converter is connected direct to the motor and when you rev your motor it spins
the torque converter in a planetry motion pumping the auto trasmition oil thru the gearbox thus moving the car along !

That pumping of the oil is where you loose power and ultimatly time !

As I said its inherent to and automatic gearbox and its just the design of a fluid driven gearbox against a manual gear driven gearbox and there is little you can do about that !

Nic
WA

i think Clarion Magna (Vince) has a torque converter on his magna. but will i get a slightly better take offs of the line with this?

nope all autos have torque converters. Actually vince's car is a prime example of how **** the auto is. Our cars with very similar mods on the same dyno made 20 odd kw difference in power.

Guys it costs like 10 bucks to make your own shift kit.

Diagram attached:

']nope all autos have torque converters. Actually vince's car is a prime example of how **** the auto is. Our cars with very similar mods on the same dyno made 20 odd kw difference in power.

That almost exactly co-incides with my findings. Two TJII execs with almost identical KM's, best I could squeeze out of the auto was a little over 120kW. Transferred those same mods to the manual and pushed out 141kW on the same dyno.

I would have never thought that gearbox was capable of absorbing 20kW before I went out and brought a manual........... but thats some pretty damning evidence.

for anyone with an auto a manual conversion is definately one of the best bang for buck modification if you can do the conversion yourself, can you think of any other mods that give u 10-20kw for 2 grand or so

That almost exactly co-incides with my findings. Two TJII execs with almost identical KM's, best I could squeeze out of the auto was a little over 120kW. Transferred those same mods to the manual and pushed out 141kW on the same dyno.

I would have never thought that gearbox was capable of absorbing 20kW before I went out and brought a manual........... but thats some pretty damning evidence.


You are correct and with my 3.0ltr TF auto with all my boltons unichip extractors 2.5" exhaust and pannel filter only produces 129kws !
If it was manual it should have prouce 150 odd kws

The fluid drive of the auto sucks power like you wouldnt beleive !

If I had my time over I would invest in a manual 3.5 ltr Rallyart or a 3.5 auto AWD and supercharged it !

Nic
WA

for anyone with an auto a manual conversion is definately one of the best bang for buck modification if you can do the conversion yourself, can you think of any other mods that give u 10-20kw for 2 grand or so

Sell magna. Buy R32 Skyline + minor mods.

Anywho...the power to the ground/gearbox efficiency is only one loss. Manuals are about 20-25%, autos are 30% there abouts..

Gear ratios are also a big killer. An extra cog in the middle helps tremendously, as does being able to shift down a number of gears with one flick. Floor it in an auto and one it shifts up your suddenly off the torque band and in perfomance's nomans land. More gears help get it in the band...

Sell magna. Buy R32 Skyline + minor mods.

Anywho...the power to the ground/gearbox efficiency is only one loss. Manuals are about 20-25%, autos are 30% there abouts..

Gear ratios are also a big killer. An extra cog in the middle helps tremendously, as does being able to shift down a number of gears with one flick. Floor it in an auto and one it shifts up your suddenly off the torque band and in perfomance's nomans land. More gears help get it in the band...

Thats true too, but I think the biggest effect on performance (moreso torque at the wheels than anything else) is the difference in the final drive ratio. I don't know them off the top of my head - but I remember seeing the diff ratios of a number of cars, auto and manual magna side by side - and from memory, the 5spd manual magna has very close diff ratio to a manual SS commodore, and the auto magna was a much different ratio.

i was wonderin if anyone has had a normal 4 speed auto and converted to the tiptronic 4 speed auto? and how much would it cost? and how would i go about doin it? and what do i need to change?

Guys it costs like 10 bucks to make your own shift kit.

Diagram attached:

Have you dont this, can you verify it works?

yes, i too would like someone to verify about that "shift kit"

ok will bo going to Transtyle autos tomorrow. they deal with auto trans and do performance works and also modify auto transmission so will let u guys know wat they say bout doin something to magna gearboxs.

ok will bo going to Transtyle autos tomorrow. they deal with auto trans and do performance works and also modify auto transmission so will let u guys know wat they say bout doin something to magna gearboxs.

Smart lad !

You will get too many people on these threads telling you their opinion and they have no idea what they are on about so you going to a proffessional is a smart move !

We dont go to a dentist to see whats wrong with our big toe do we !

Nic

Smart lad !

You will get too many people on these threads telling you their opinion and they have no idea what they are on about so you going to a proffessional is a smart move !

We dont go to a dentist to see whats wrong with our big toe do we !

Nic


thanks Nic. i did have a chat with one of the slaes dude there who is hald partner of this place and he did say something bout he would really like to give this a shot but ye he wants to see the car 2moro and check stuff out. hopefully its all good news. will let u guys know 2moro

Personally tested on a F4A33 transmission and works perfectly, however the same setup will not work on the 3.5ltr transmissions.

I have the Triptronic tranny in my TJ and i am wondering if there is any difference in using it like a manual or leaving it in Drive as the car seems to kick ass just as good in drive...

Edit: Also just a quick Q, should i be backing off the accelerator when i snap it up into + to change up gears cause when ive got it to the floor it gives a hell of a kick in the ass and i don't know if thats too good for the tranny, thanks... :D

Guys it costs like 10 bucks to make your own shift kit.

Diagram attached:

The place mentioned below in b/beard's post tried this method and failed. They where having trouble getting around the self learning nature of our transmitions in 3rd gen Magnas. I'm sure you could work around it but these dudes couldn't be bothered I guess, not worth the effort for a hand full of Magnas.



Therein lies the problem. shiftkits.com.au claim to have stopped development of shift kits for magna autos some time ago. If you were going to get one - it would have to be built specially by a performance automatic workshop, so you'd end up paying for their "R&D". In addition to this, you would most likely be the first 3rd gen magna owner to have their auto trans upgraded, "uncharted territory" so to speak.

I have the Triptronic tranny in my TJ and i am wondering if there is any difference in using it like a manual or leaving it in Drive as the car seems to kick ass just as good in drive...

Edit: Also just a quick Q, should i be backing off the accelerator when i snap it up into + to change up gears cause when ive got it to the floor it gives a hell of a kick in the ass and i don't know if thats too good for the tranny, thanks... :D


dont back of the happy padel when ur changin gears. and having th e car in D and in tippy mode is different. in tippy mode u choose when to change gears so u can hld say first and get a good launch.

Edit: Also just a quick Q, should i be backing off the accelerator when i snap it up into + to change up gears cause when ive got it to the floor it gives a hell of a kick in the ass and i don't know if thats too good for the tranny, thanks... :D

In addition to what Ashneel said above, there should be no need to back off the gas when shifting with the tippy (although some people like to cause it sounds more like a manual lol ).

If you are experiencing 'harsh' shifting it could be an indication that a transmission flush is due. I found with my 4spd tippy it had a very harsh kick down when I first got it - and it went away immediately after a transmission flush and renew, after that, I found all gear changes (in both tippy or drive) to be very smooth.

Thanks guys.
Black Beard im pretty sure the tranny is all ok its a 2002 model, done 123,000k's and i have a logbook which details a FULL $600 service every 10,000k's it was a company car. Its last major service was at 121,700K's so very recently :)

Thanks guys.
Black Beard im pretty sure the tranny is all ok its a 2002 model, done 123,000k's and i have a logbook which details a FULL $600 service every 10,000k's it was a company car. Its last major service was at 121,700K's so very recently :)


but are u sure the transmission was serviced to?

K guys jus got back from transtyle Automatics and have good news and bad. Bad is that they have never done this sort of work on a magna and think its not worth it. good news is that he took my car for a quick spin to see how the auto box actually responds and was quite impressed with the power of a magna "my magna :badgrin:" and said that it might be worth it to see if they can improve the auto gear box. they dont know how but are willing to do some research. they also asked if i wanted to have my car as there test car with the things they tried and i told them ill think bout it. should i say yes or no?

You are correct and with my 3.0ltr TF auto with all my boltons unichip extractors 2.5" exhaust and pannel filter only produces 129kws !
If it was manual it should have prouce 150 odd kws
I'd doubt that. No one on here has ever reached anywhere near that figure with those mods on a 3.0l (unless there's stuff you've done that's unlisted. Good for you if it were true though.


...was quite impressed with the power of a magna "my magna :badgrin:"
Everyone says that. It's to make us Magna drivers feel good about ourselves.

but are u sure the transmission was serviced to?

K guys jus got back from transtyle Automatics and have good news and bad. Bad is that they have never done this sort of work on a magna and think its not worth it. good news is that he took my car for a quick spin to see how the auto box actually responds and was quite impressed with the power of a magna "my magna :badgrin:" and said that it might be worth it to see if they can improve the auto gear box. they dont know how but are willing to do some research. they also asked if i wanted to have my car as there test car with the things they tried and i told them ill think bout it. should i say yes or no?


i'd say yes to it but it might mean u will be without a car for a week or so

I'd doubt that. No one on here has ever reached anywhere near that figure with those mods on a 3.0l (unless there's stuff you've done that's unlisted. Good for you if it were true though.


Everyone says that. It's to make us Magna drivers feel good about ourselves.

I got 124kw atw with similar mods on my old TE but it was manual.

but are u sure the transmission was serviced to?

K guys jus got back from transtyle Automatics and have good news and bad. Bad is that they have never done this sort of work on a magna and think its not worth it. good news is that he took my car for a quick spin to see how the auto box actually responds and was quite impressed with the power of a magna "my magna :badgrin:" and said that it might be worth it to see if they can improve the auto gear box. they dont know how but are willing to do some research. they also asked if i wanted to have my car as there test car with the things they tried and i told them ill think bout it. should i say yes or no?
Before you come to any decision remember to check with your insurance company, cos im pretty sure that mine says that the insurance is void if the car is used as a test car. If this is the same case with you, I'd ask if transtyle can give you sort of insurance, or work it out with your company. But if this isn't the case, and your car will still be insured, for sure :thumbsup:

hrmm well will call them up and say no coz had a chat with me dad and ye its a no no but ill ask them if they would like to buy a second hand gearbox instead work on it then id let them have my car for a day (with me there) and they can jus unbolt the stock install the moded gb and can do tests but apart from that i think ill go manual :D thanks for ur inputs guys and will keep u posted on wats goin on. would ave been awsome to be the first magna with stage 2 shift kit:doubt: but there goes that idea. manual here i come

Guys it costs like 10 bucks to make your own shift kit.

Diagram attached:


so just wondering, was any one able to get this working in a 3rd gen magna? ive got a TE, wouldnt mind trying it out if someone could send me some details on where to wire the resisters to and where the TCU and all is located

lol at epic thread mine

but dont think anyone went ahead with it. would turn out cheaper to just do a manual conversion

setup will not work on the 3.5ltr transmissions.

Don't think so.

lol i plan to do a manual conversion at the end of the year, i just wanted to have some fun with the auto even if i blow it till then, and concidering the idea about the resistors is only like $10 or what ever, it seems like cheep fun to me

so just wondering, was any one able to get this working in a 3rd gen magna? ive got a TE, wouldnt mind trying it out if someone could send me some details on where to wire the resisters to and where the TCU and all is located


The place mentioned below in b/beard's post tried this method and failed. They where having trouble getting around the self learning nature of our transmitions in 3rd gen Magnas. I'm sure you could work around it but these dudes couldn't be bothered I guess, not worth the effort for a hand full of Magnas.

I would say not... it might work for a short while, but the transmission relearns eventually.

the TCU is located in the cabin behind the dash, in the middle at the bottom, right up against the firewall.

...oh yeah, thread mining is bad, mmkay?

anyone got any new news on shift kits? no im not doing a manual conversion

Any shift it in a Magna would need to be an electronic one.

Performance Fords tried out a few for the elec auto falcons a while back, came across one that seemed ok, it basically delays the signal going to the trans for the shift, holds it back i guess.

Thread mining here..... Any recent developments on this?