Sorry guys I have started a new thread as the last one got lost and I am confured more than before !

Does anyone know for "SURE" like they have gone thru this modification ?

I have had so many conflicting stories and Im way over people that have no idea but still offer incorrect advice !

YOU BOTH CANT BE RIGHT !! :rant:

Ether ralliart callipers bolt straight up on a 3rd gen TF using the 294mm rotors...

OR

An adapter plate spacer plate or bracket is required to bolt the ralliart callipers onto the 3rd Gen TF sedan

If you dont know... please dont say any thing and please dont go off the subject !


heres a pic of the 2nd gen twin pot next to ralliart. does it look this?

Your pic of 2nd gen callipers and 3rd gen ralliart callipers confuses me !

I have a 3rd gen TF that had the single piston calliper and I made the "bolt straight on" upgrade to the twin piston callipers and my question is when I upgrade to the 294mm rotors and use the ralliart callipers will the ralliart callipers bolt straight on ?

Do I need spacer plates ?
Do I need some sort of bracket ?

I have 2 ralliart callipers comming ex east so I cant compare at this stage !

Remember I have a 1998 TF 3rd gen with 274mm rotors and twin piston callipers already !!

Nic
WA

Does anyone know for "SURE" like they have gone thru this modification ?
Me.


Your pic of 2nd gen callipers and 3rd gen ralliart callipers confuses me !
That pic did nothing but confuse the issue.

Ralliart and AWD front calipers fit up without issue.

What calipers do you have on there? (And don't say twin piston)

Me.

That pic did nothing but confuse the issue.

Ralliart and AWD front calipers fit up without issue.

What calipers do you have on there? (And don't say twin piston)

Thankyou redav !

I am not 100% sure but I believe they came off of a 3rd gen stn wgn with ABS (by memory from my mechanic) when I swapped from a single piston job to the twin piston ones and DBA slotted rotors in 274mm and green stuff pads !

So what your saying is when the ralliart front callipers (they are the same as AWD callipers) land here in perth this week all my mechanic needs to do is have them recond and they will bolt straight on to me 1998 TF sedan without spacer plates or brackets ?

I will now be using the EBU 294mm slotted rotors and green stuff pads with ralliart callipers !

Regards
Nic
WA

Ps. why do people give out wrong advise ?

The AWD/Ralliart (front) Calipers you are getting will bolt straight on to your TF using the larger 294mm rotors.

The AWD/Ralliart (front) Calipers you are getting will bolt straight on to your TF using the larger 294mm rotors.

Thanks phonic !

This site really anoyes me at times with wrong info from people that just...

plain... don't... know !

regards
Nic
WA

Thanks phonic !

This site really anoyes me at times with wrong info from people that just...

plain... don't... know !

regards
Nic
WA

No problems,

Redav's advice on this issue can be taken as fact as he has undergone the AWD/Ralliart conversion at both ends.

He found that while the front calipers bolted straight on from both AWD/Ralliart Magna, the rear calipers from the AWD will not bolt straight on to a FWD 3rd Gen without brackets..etc..

Well, the initial confusion came from people not knowing where your calipers came from. I can't imagine why the wagon would have different calipers to the rest of the range* so I think they come from a 2nd gen. Whether or not they have ABS shouldn't matter. There's sensors there but the guts of the hardware is in the engine bay.

You will be happy with the Ralliart ones. I know I am and they are about to be improved with the same rotors and pads that you're getting.

One day I'll get the rears back on. The 258mm rotors look a bit gutless. :D

* Carsales indicates that the 3rd gen wagon brakes are the same as the sedans.

Well, the initial confusion came from people not knowing where your calipers came from. I can't imagine why the wagon would have different calipers to the rest of the range* so I think they come from a 2nd gen. Whether or not they have ABS shouldn't matter. There's sensors there but the guts of the hardware is in the engine bay.
You will be happy with the Ralliart ones. I know I am and they are about to be improved with the same rotors and pads that you're getting.
One day I'll get the rears back on. The 258mm rotors look a bit gutless. :D
* Carsales indicates that the 3rd gen wagon brakes are the same as the sedans.


Yeh redav thanks for that !

Sorry redav... you asked me where the twin piston ones I have came from and yes they probibly are the same as sedans its just you asked me where they came from, thats all !

Yes Im aware that the rears wont fit but I would prob go for just an after market EBU disc if they made one as the rear's are not the problem the fronts are !

Ive warped 3 sets of rotors so far over 2 years and wore out a set of green stuff pads in under 5,000ks so you can see my push to upgrade

I would have liked the drilled and slotted EBU rotors but they still tend to warp according to RPW!

Mine is an auto so I rely upon the brakes a hell of a lot more often !

Thanks a bunch for your help !

Regards

Nic
WA

let me know how good the EBC rotors are as i am looking at these in 320mm with a custom bracet to mount the rotor.

This site really anoyes me at times with wrong info from people that just...

plain... don't... know !



You and me both my friend!

You and me both my friend!

l hear you bro !

I have spent money on things that where recomended like a "unichip" which l now see where
miss guided at best and l could have dont better with the money !

Nic
WA

Well I plain just do know, I answered your last post with figures etc

The caliper itself is the same.

The bracket that bolts onto the caliper is different.

You CAN NOT use the smaller rotors with the ralliart calipers as the diameter is smaller. It is simple logic that the calliper will not work on these rotors.

Yes they (the ralliart) calipers will bold straight on, it is your rotor that also needs to be changed to the larger diameter ralliart caliper.

KB knows that i have been down this road many times, it was me who told him how to put the twin pots on his TR

Question now answered?

dont worry madmagna I trust ya. and to think if he said yeah thats the one in the pic I was going to go down the yard and test fit them for him on a 98TF wreck. just happen to have complete ralliart front/back caliper & disks set spare.

anyway people who live in glass houses....................

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=466733#post466733

have done b4 on TE...need ralliart/awd calliper brackets and calliper from TS/KS ABS vehicle 294mm rotor from awd/ralliart. Had to make hoses as calliper head slightly diff at fitting.

Well I plain just do know, I answered your last post with figures etc
The caliper itself is the same.
The bracket that bolts onto the caliper is different.
You CAN NOT use the smaller rotors with the ralliart calipers as the diameter is smaller. It is simple logic that the calliper will not work on these rotors.
Yes they (the ralliart) calipers will bold straight on, it is your rotor that also needs to be changed to the larger diameter ralliart caliper.
KB knows that i have been down this road many times, it was me who told him how to put the twin pots on his TR
Question now answered?


SEE !!! here we go AGAIN !!!

I HAVE TEAM JESUS ON ONE HAND SAYING YOU "DONT" NEED A BRACKET BUT NEED RALLIART CALLIPERS THAT BOLT STRAIGHT ON....

AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU AND A SELECTION OF OTHERS BELOW SAYING YOU
"NEED A BRACKET" BUT CAN USE ANY LATE MODEL TWIN PISTON CALLIPER !

SOME OF YOU GUYS GOTA BE ON DRUGS OR SOME THING...

THIS IS WHY I STARTED A NEW THREAD TO OVERCOME THIS PROBLEM WITH 2 PEOPLE SAYING OPOSITE STORIES AS SOMEONE IS NOT READING THINGS RIGHT AT ALL BECAUSE YOU "BOTH CANT BE RIGHT".....!

Madmagna... I have a 1998 TF not a TR and IF YOU HAD TAKEN THE TIME TO READ MY POST:
I said I have 272MM ROTORS WITH TWIN PISTON CALIPERS ON MY 1998 MAGNA NOW AND AM UPGRADING TO THE 294MM EBU SLOTTED ROTORS AND RALIART CALLIPERS AND WANT TO KNOW.... etc etc etc

THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT PUT IN THERE 20 CENTS WORTH BUT IM GOING TO SUCK IT AND SEE WHEN THE RALLIART CALLIPERS LOB OVER THURSDAY !!

Dave from RPW says you dont need brackets and he should know as he does the calliper kits !!

Nic
WA

I have a TF and ive bolted these suckers STRAIGHT onto my standard fittings and standard discs wat ever the sizze they are. oh wait actually i removed the back plate things that got in the way...

ne ways here are my piccies

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/Calipers3.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/callipercompare.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/calliper.jpg


and once again thanx to jason for these :D

I don't see a contradiction in either of Redav's or Madmagna's posts.

Madmagna is referring to the difference in brackets between 2nd gen twin-pots (ABS equipped) and 3rd gen twin-pots (AWD/Ralliart).

But you will need the mounting bracket for the AWD/Ralliart calipers anyway because as Mal said, its needed to increase the radius distance from the centre of the hub to the caliper so you can fit the larger discs.

The mounting bracket itself is bolt-on to the existing mounts on the hub.

Anyway I feel we may not be on the same level of communication about what a mounting bracket is. Do you know what we mean by the mounting bracket ?

I give up

SEE !!! here we go AGAIN !!!

I HAVE TEAM JESUS ON ONE HAND SAYING YOU "DONT" NEED A BRACKET BUT NEED RALLIART CALLIPERS THAT BOLT STRAIGHT ON....

AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU AND A SELECTION OF OTHERS BELOW SAYING YOU
"NEED A BRACKET" BUT CAN USE ANY LATE MODEL TWIN PISTON CALLIPER !

SOME OF YOU GUYS GOTA BE ON DRUGS OR SOME THING...

THIS IS WHY I STARTED A NEW THREAD TO OVERCOME THIS PROBLEM WITH 2 PEOPLE SAYING OPOSITE STORIES AS SOMEONE IS NOT READING THINGS RIGHT AT ALL BECAUSE YOU "BOTH CANT BE RIGHT".....!

Madmagna... I have a 1998 TF not a TR and IF YOU HAD TAKEN THE TIME TO READ MY POST:
I said I have 272MM ROTORS WITH TWIN PISTON CALIPERS ON MY 1998 MAGNA NOW AND AM UPGRADING TO THE 294MM EBU SLOTTED ROTORS AND RALIART CALLIPERS AND WANT TO KNOW.... etc etc etc

THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT PUT IN THERE 20 CENTS WORTH BUT IM GOING TO SUCK IT AND SEE WHEN THE RALLIART CALLIPERS LOB OVER THURSDAY !!

Dave from RPW says you dont need brackets and he should know as he does the calliper kits !!

Nic
WA

You bl00dy tool, I konw you have a third gen, I was simply stating that the second gen will not fit the third gen with the second gen caliper.

I was also saying that if you want the ralliart caliper you WILL need the larger rotors.

Good thing someone put in pictures here, as it is clear you can not read text.

If you ask help and advice, it is up to you to sift through and make your own mind up. You want a silver platter handed to you, then bugger off and try it and then come back.

I have had more experience then the majority of members combined on this forum with Magna's so yes I do know what I am talking about and YES I have also done this for people.:nuts:

Well I bolted on Ralliart calipers and rotors onto my KF last weekend and didnt have any problems.....thats my two cents

So can someone give me a straight one line answer..

If i have a TJ with single pistons front and rear what changes do i need to got with twin piston calipers(ralliart)...???

What i want to know is it just a rotor size upgrade that is needed..?? or do i need to change caliper bracket too..??

No sob stories.. just a simple one line answer please.. Thanks, bye.:confused:

you need the larger brackets if you wish to have the 294mm discs.




look one line see:D

I can even supply all the bits needed to do the job.

If you do a search on here you will find some pics of the last one i did and some info i think too.

You bl00dy tool, I konw you have a third gen, I was simply stating that the second gen will not fit the third gen with the second gen caliper.

I was also saying that if you want the ralliart caliper you WILL need the larger rotors.

Good thing someone put in pictures here, as it is clear you can not read text.

If you ask help and advice, it is up to you to sift through and make your own mind up. You want a silver platter handed to you, then bugger off and try it and then come back.

I have had more experience then the majority of members combined on this forum with Magna's so yes I do know what I am talking about and YES I have also done this for people.:nuts:


Hey dickhead I can read text but what you are saying differs from what others are so before you start mouthing off you spastic I asked eveyone to stay on track !
I have a TF not a TR clown !

Well, this thread has degenerated quite considerably.


I have a TF not a TR clown !
Look, he know's what car you have and what he has said is spot on. He is also one of the most knowledgeable members here and has done more work to Magna's than most. It's up to you whether you take it or not. From what I've read, he's said nothing confusing.

The issue was only complicated as it seems as though initially you wanted to use KR calipers on the TF with the 294 rotors. To do this it seems that you need different brackets.


So can someone give me a straight one line answer..

If i have a TJ with single pistons front and rear what changes do i need to got with twin piston calipers(ralliart)...???

What i want to know is it just a rotor size upgrade that is needed..?? or do i need to change caliper bracket too..??
All you need is the calipers with 294 rotors.

I am not going to get involved in who does what, and what model fits which other than to say for the person asking for where to get stuff, RPW has both 2nd hand and remanafactured brake calipers to suit standard and 294mm rotors. Packages of EBC rotor / caliper or cheaper DBA / Bendix kits also available as well in the twin piston range.

Just give us a call - garaunteed the kits will bolt straight up no hassles. Been doing it for a long long time.

awsome thread people

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