So as I wonder about my lacking of power after I sit in the seat of my mates XR6T, I wonder to myself, if I had of got a raliart, would it rally of made that much of a difference? Like sure, you get nice badging and a coolbody kit, but does the rallyart offer alot mroe power? and if you swap the normal 3.5ltr over to a ralliart engine, would you have a noticible power increse? is it the biuld of the motor better? the ease of modifications? is it really as good as we all believe? :P

The stock 3.5 puts out what? 150-160 I think the Raliart puts out about 30kw's more at best?

Only difference being exhaust, headers (extractors) and more agressive cams and compression ratio? (I may be way off here)

AFAIK these mods are do-able to any magna really, you can easily fit better than raliart cams and extractors and pull better power than a stock rali.

But im just guessing here.

quite simply no !

ralliarts are only a fraction quicker, ( manuals that is)

i dont thgink the attraction for the ralliart is the extra power for me it would be more the interioir

Well, a standard 3.5lt magna will run a mid to high 15 sec quarter and the Ralliart will run low to mid 14. So you be the judge.

They still have the same engine just with other modifications done to it not a completely different engine which sounds like you think

The stock 3.5 puts out what? 150-160 I think the Raliart puts out about 30kw's more at best?

Only difference being exhaust, headers (extractors) and more agressive cams and compression ratio? (I may be way off here)

AFAIK these mods are do-able to any magna really, you can easily fit better than raliart cams and extractors and pull better power than a stock rali.

But im just guessing here.

i do know the heads are worked on the ralliart as I was talking to a ralliart expert that said if i wanted huge power increase bolt on the ralliart heads

Nic
WA

They still have the same engine just with other modifications done to it not a completely different engine which sounds like you think
Thats the answer I'm after :)
So basically, with a few mods you'd be putting out more than a ralliart anyway and the engine is going to handle the same?
Just needed to clarify :)

and how does one become a "ralliart expert" ? is there a course you take?

sure you dont mean enthusiast?

anyway.. i thought ralliarts were slightly lighter also?

i do know the heads are worked on the ralliart as I was talking to a ralliart expert that said if i wanted huge power increase bolt on the ralliart heads

Nic
WA

The headwork on a ralliart is pretty minimal, ask heath young or do a search where he has pictures. There are no intrinsic differences between a ralliart and standard head.

Well, a standard 3.5lt magna will run a mid to high 15 sec quarter and the Ralliart will run low to mid 14. So you be the judge.

ur kidding aint u ? a mid to low 14 from a standard ralliart? ... we have memebrs with 160 atws big cam, inlet and ecu upgrades and they can only manage a low 14 .....i mean DAMN a standard xr6t is rated at a low 14!! .

a ralliart magna is heavier than a normal magna has more interior features ( bigger stereo) and have bigger bulky body kit,

a manual ralliat should post a HIGH 14 the same as any other manual magna...

the main advantage the ralliarts have over other magners is their brakes and suspension set up but u can easiey get better suspension ...... in terms of engine work well .. the headers are none to be desired, the ecu is slightly more tuned, and have slightly better cams and a tad of head work .

my car is relatively standard and i cant say ive ever been blown away by a ralliart ...... more side by side with them every inch

Well, a standard 3.5lt magna will run a mid to high 15 sec quarter and the Ralliart will run low to mid 14. So you be the judge.

A Ralliart also has LSD which would help this ;)

So as I wonder about my lacking of power after I sit in the seat of my mates XR6T, I wonder to myself, if I had of got a raliart, would it rally of made that much of a difference? Like sure, you get nice badging and a coolbody kit, but does the rallyart offer alot mroe power? and if you swap the normal 3.5ltr over to a ralliart engine, would you have a noticible power increse? is it the biuld of the motor better? the ease of modifications? is it really as good as we all believe? :P
The engine differences from a regular 3.5 to a Ralliart are heads, cams, pistons, valve springs and ECU. You could easily surpass the Ralliart with seperately sourced parts. The Ralliart wasn't a huge jump over it's original motor but still was a neat improvement.


Well, a standard 3.5lt magna will run a mid to high 15 sec quarter and the Ralliart will run low to mid 14. So you be the judge.
A standard 3.5l manual should make a flat 15 second pass give or take. There are members here who have gone sub 15 and even a mid 14 with their Execs etc. A Ralliart should be a mid 14 give or take.


ur kidding aint u ? a mid to low 14 from a standard ralliart? ... we have memebrs with 160 atws big cam, inlet and ecu upgrades and they can only manage a low 14 .....i mean DAMN a standard xr6t is rated at a low 14!! .
Actually, we have members with over 200kW at the wheels.

Actually, we have members with over 200kW at the wheels.

yewah but jason hasnt been down the 1/4 to see what his time is ... when he had 180 atws ... ( which is what the ralliarts have at the fly) he was getting low 14's to 14 flats with an LSD ... so anything about a ralliart pulling a low 14 is very optimistic

yewah but jason hasnt been down the 1/4 to see what his time is ... when he had 180 atws ... ( which is what the ralliarts have at the fly) he was getting low 14's to 14 flats with an LSD ... so anything about a ralliart pulling a low 14 is very optimistic
Well, history speaks for itself. Mitsu typically underquote stuff if they quote at all. I can't remember what they quoted for a VR-X but the Ralliart was a 14.7 and I know Motor pulled quicker than that.

Well, he's got a 'tad' more than that 180 at the wheels now and he's not the only one.

yes i know what u saying but im only talking about proven 1/4 times ... and not what certain ppl have done since their last track day ..

But Ralliart also played around with the suspension and lightened the car. I know that this doesn't seem like much but it all adds up. Timeslips also depend on the driver as well :D Me; I'd be absolute ****e lol

But Ralliart also played around with the suspension and lightened the car. I know that this doesn't seem like much but it all adds up. Timeslips also depend on the driver as well :D Me; I'd be absolute ****e lol
Yes but is it attached to the engine?

Lightened? Doubt that. That kit would weigh it down a little more.

bottom line ralliarts are awsome cars!

so many extra's and lots of fun, but interms of sports cars they r still a very tame beast..

there are a few aspects of the ralliart that can be exploited to make a very good car .... the brakes, stereo, LSD, and the minor head work + body kit if ur into that sort of kit.... base ur mods around that and it will be a nicely modded car IMO

Well, a standard 3.5lt magna will run a mid to high 15 sec quarter and the Ralliart will run low to mid 14. So you be the judge.

Yeah sorry dude but I've yet to see a STOCK Magna of any sort run low 14s. It takes a good driver to achieve low 14s in a gen III V8 let alone a Magna.

I've never been a fan of the Ralliarts myself. Actually prefer the VRX. That boyracer bodykit and the huge rain-catcher wing don't really do it for me. I still think the TJ II VRX (minus the spoiler) is the best looking Magna they made.

As for the difference between the standard engine and the Ralliart engine there is very little really. There's a 30kw difference comparing series 1 TJs and only a 25kw difference between series 2 TJs. In fact NZ's 380 has 180kw, the same as the "Ralliart Magna".

and how does one become a "ralliart expert" ? is there a course you take?
sure you dont mean enthusiast?
anyway.. i thought ralliarts were slightly lighter also?

Hey sidewinder... not you again dribbling !

Have a chat to Dave at RPW in ozy park he will set you straight on the magnas !

If he hasnt tried it... its not worth trying !

Nic
WA

sprry dude im with side winder there, ralliart head r nothing special, there are quite a few members around these parts with much more agressive head work done to their cars

The problem with magna and FWD vehicles is that up to a point, they will go faster, after that point the more horsepower you create, you actually go slower.

Any magna ralliart / non ralliart wiht a LSD will pretty much be able to acheive 14.0 - 14.5. I was the first magna to acheive (Non ralliart / non lsd) a 14.5 many many years ago with some simple mods (Only managaged it I think 3 times) before I turboed the car.

It took a lot of turbo horsepower with a LSD and street tyres to kick the car into the 13's and hten into the 12's and 11's.

There is no way a Magna is going to hit anything lower than 13's on street tyres, there is simply not enough traction unless possibly an auto, which can smooth out the gear changes and pick it up from 60 foot on over a manuel which tends to still spin the tyres.

I managed a 13.1 with the turbo at 12 psi on street tyres and LSD.

The thing I have now got an extra 70hp at the wheels than I did running 12.3 but was not able to get much below a 11.9 simply due to themore horsepower I create, the harder it is even with full racing slicks to get any traction. I had one dead turbo and still pulled a 12.0 flat simply because I was able to launch harder off the start line with around 100hp less power, and dropped 0.3 off my 60 foot time, but dropped 12km / hr of my top end speed due to the less power.
Mind you this car is an extreme version but it quite clearly shows the side effects of FWD and traction, especially on the heavy magna.

Will be nice to see some 13 sec magna N/a vehicles, but they are going to have to concentrate more on suspension tweaking rather than horsepower to get there in my opinion.

Ralliarts are great cars - and value for money definily there with the best of them.

Just to clear a couple things up, gremlin I think it was ran a 14.6 first run in his stock Ralliart, first time ever down the quarter mile, and then a 14.5 I believe second time. Definately more there. And the 0-100 times mitsubishi quoted for the Ralliart are underquoted too. 6.8 is the quoted time, but i've been able to get consistant flat and low 6's. (G-tech)

In reference now to the topic @ hand, I guess in essence, there isn't THAT much difference between the engines. I know my car is a fair sight quicker than a manual VRX, but it's the whole package of the Ralliart that makes it special for me.

According to the specs on the Drive website, the Ralliart has a power to weight ratio of 9.17, and a VR-X has a power to weight ratio of 9.16. So even though the Ralliart has more power, it also has more weight which means their power to weight ratios work out about the same. The Ralliart has more torque though, which is probably why they still do better times.

Dave

If I had the choice to do up a car it would be the Ralliart over the VRX anyday as it is already on its way with suspension and brakes and interior, I would just put another 12 grand into it and get the sucker twin turboed.:badgrin:

According to the specs on the Drive website, the Ralliart has a power to weight ratio of 9.17, and a VR-X has a power to weight ratio of 9.16. So even though the Ralliart has more power, it also has more weight which means their power to weight ratios work out about the same. The Ralliart has more torque though, which is probably why they still do better times.

Dave
You're only talking about 25-30kgs tho. Spose that's a lot comparatively tho. :nuts:

yeah disciple, sorry to burst your bubble but once you spend $1000 on a manual 3.5L, it will be as quick as a ralliart. Think about it, extractors, induction and your pretty much running 14.7 in a manual 3.5L, same as a good driver in a ralliart.

But having said that, i would give my right nut for the LSD, and brakes, but thats about it (sell the kit to some ricer to get money for mods lol )

good luck with ya modding !

Like I said, it's the whole package for me. :D

$1000 for a extractors + full exhaust system + CAI? Hmmm. I highly doubt those few mods will have a standard 3.5 magna running 14.7's. Those mods might take it up to 170-175 @ the fly, it might run high 14's but doubtful. Meh, whata I know.

$1000 for a extractors + full exhaust system + CAI? Hmmm. I highly doubt those few mods will have a standard 3.5 magna running 14.7's. Those mods might take it up to 170-175 @ the fly, it might run high 14's but doubtful. Meh, whata I know.

standard manual magnas can run a 14.7 where have u been?

paceys installed for $500 cat back zorst for $400........ CAI $50 and id expect it to be as quick or quicker than a ralliart simply cos of power to weight and paceys kick the crap out of ralliart extractors ......

proof of this is on the AMC 1/4 list

yeah disciple, sorry to burst your bubble but once you spend $1000 on a manual 3.5L, it will be as quick as a ralliart. Think about it, extractors, induction and your pretty much running 14.7 in a manual 3.5L, same as a good driver in a ralliart.


It cost me a bit more than a grand to be able to say with confidence my TJII exec is putting as much to the wheels as a Ralliart. And thats just peak power - if the ralliarts cams and head work gives them significantly more torque at lower revs, then pound for pound - they will have an advantage over any other 6G74.

But I see where you are comming from. If you're just after a number on a dyno print out (or time slip) then get a lower spec model with 3.5L and manual and go nuts with the bolt ons!!! but if you want the full package (brakes, suspension, power, excellent features and unique body styling) - then the ralliart is not a bad option. It's not really fair to judge the Ralliart magna on its engine alone is all I'm saying.

yeah i have to admit im not a real fan of the ralliarts ........ but the brakes and LSD is a huge upside compared to a VRX .... that would be the only 2 things that i would take from a ralliart i reckon

yeah i have to admit im not a real fan of the ralliarts ........ but the brakes and LSD is a huge upside compared to a VRX .... that would be the only 2 things that i would take from a ralliart i reckon
Sifn't the seats. Unless they're the same as what's in a VRX, they're like lounge chairs. :cool:

Like I said, it's the whole package for me. :D

$1000 for a extractors + full exhaust system + CAI? Hmmm. I highly doubt those few mods will have a standard 3.5 magna running 14.7's. Those mods might take it up to 170-175 @ the fly, it might run high 14's but doubtful. Meh, whata I know.

It would. Ego has done extractors, exhaust and a K&N filter and has run a 14.6...

It would. Ego has done extractors, exhaust and a K&N filter and has run a 14.6...
So by that theory and extrapolating from that, one could assume that a Ralliart with the same mods would run a 14.2? Being that a standard VRX runs 15.1 (15.07) so is lowered 0.5, Ralliart runs 14.7 standard, less 0.5 is 14.2? lol

So by that theory and extrapolating from that, one could assume that a Ralliart with the same mods would run a 14.2? Being that a standard VRX runs 15.1 (15.07) so is lowered 0.5, Ralliart runs 14.7 standard, less 0.5 is 14.2? lol

No because it's not always a linear power gain, and it wasn't a theory. It's proven what EGO did.

Talk to TZABOY about what mods he's done to run his 14.006....

No because it's not always a linear power gain, and it wasn't a theory. It's proven what EGO did.

Talk to TZABOY about what mods he's done to run his 14.006....

No Ego has the Haltech Piggyback to get his 14.6.. He didnt get there without that

TzaBoy has unichip, extractors and exhaust to get his 14.0... so "basically" same mods to the VRX and Ralliart proves quite a difference if you compare these two particular cars...

Yer, true. So with those 2 examples, the Ralliart had more gains.

different piggy back systems though

isnt the haltech supposed to have less gains but you can use it in any car or something along those lines?

isnt the haltech supposed to have less gains but you can use it in any car or something along those lines?

no thats not true

its very fair to compare the unichip and halteck.. some ppl prefer the halteck actually, one person is ego himself...

my understanding as to why the ralliart responds so much better to the piggyback computer is because, according to dave from rpw, ralliarts come out of the factory running very rich... so the tuner can take advantage of that when fitting the computer..

well look at this then,

on the SA AMC dyno day, me and asylum got 129 atws and 127 atws respectively, the 2 ralliarts got 124 ( auto) and 134( manual ) and the manual had better extractors ... all these dyno's were done with in an hour of each other and is as accurate as u can get in comparing the 4 cars,

its a fact that ralliarts are not a better straight line car than other 3.5L manuals, they may have a tad bit more power but the extras in the interoir and big body kit cancel out the slight extra power!

now interms of turning the ralliarts turn much better than a standard exec, sports, vrx etc ...but buy a set of super low spirngs and strust brace all of a sudden the exec handles better,

after that only thing ( performance wise ) that the ralliart has over an exec is better stopping power and an LSD

and i know that in adelaide, none of the 3.5L's have ever exactly been blown away in drags against the SA ralliarts more side by side all the way..

lol ppl can argue it all they want, but ralliarts do not have enough pulling power over a vrx/sports/exec to be able to brag about

HOWEVER the ralliarts are a great car! nice interioir and nice factory stereo and has an exclusive badge ( if ur into bagdes )

well look at this then,

on the SA AMC dyno day, me and asylum got 129 atws and 127 atws respectively, the 2 ralliarts got 124 ( auto) and 134( manual ) and the manual had better extractors ... all these dyno's were done with in an hour of each other and is as accurate as u can get in comparing the 4 cars,

its a fact that ralliarts are not a better straight line car than other 3.5L manuals, they may have a tad bit more power but the extras in the interoir and big body kit cancel out the slight extra power!

now interms of turning the ralliarts turn much better than a standard exec, sports, vrx etc ...but buy a set of super low spirngs and strust brace all of a sudden the exec handles better,

after that only thing ( performance wise ) that the ralliart has over an exec is better stopping power and an LSD

and i know that in adelaide, none of the 3.5L's have ever exactly been blown away in drags against the SA ralliarts more side by side all the way..

lol ppl can argue it all they want, but ralliarts do not have enough pulling power over a vrx/sports/exec to be able to brag about

HOWEVER the ralliarts are a great car! nice interioir and nice factory stereo and has an exclusive badge ( if ur into bagdes )

Dude, i'm sorry but you're full of horsecrap. There was something wrong with that Ralliart if it got 134kW atw with aftermarket extractors. That's 179HP atw. They have that STANDARD. Not better in a straight line than a 3.5lt standard magna? My god man... My Ralliart is quicker than my mums bf's monaro, and that has a 5.7lt Gen3 in it. I've flogged a VRX manual before (traffic light drags, but I know he was giving it to it) But hey, everyone has their own opinion eh.

Dude, i'm sorry but you're full of horsecrap. There was something wrong with that Ralliart if it got 134kW atw with aftermarket extractors. That's 179HP atw. They have that STANDARD. Not better in a straight line than a 3.5lt standard magna? My god man... My Ralliart is quicker than my mums bf's monaro, and that has a 5.7lt Gen3 in it. I've flogged a VRX manual before (traffic light drags, but I know he was giving it to it) But hey, everyone has their own opinion eh.

Now now....... your not going to make any friends that way - and these "ralliarts are better/worse because......." arguments invariably always end in tears.

Maybe you wanna have a look here (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=289282&postcount=27) - it's a thread I was reviewing earlier in the day for unrelated reasons (the results from the QMD dyno day last year) - 2 out of 3 ralliarts putting down 120 or less kW atw.

Oh, and as a general rule - claiming to be "quicker" than anything with a 5.7L V8 will almost certainly attract riddicule.

yes the ralliart engine has been improved slightly over the standard motor but nothing to really warrant a ralliart badge on the car...

i love the ralliart magnas, they drive better (braking and suspension) than standard magnas, however a quick few mods to a std magna and you will be easily at the doorstep of the ralliart for way under the price of what you would pay for a ralliart.

yes the ralliart engine has been improved slightly over the standard motor but nothing to really warrant a ralliart badge on the car...



I can't understand why people who are sooooo hung up on engine output figures alone (which by reading this thread - you could be mistaken for thinking that every one is!!) would waste their time with a magna anyway.

As I said in a previous post (well not exactly, but allow me to paraphrase), the ralliart badge represents more than just a 180kW engine.

As I said in a previous post (well not exactly, but allow me to paraphrase), the ralliart badge represents more than just a 180kW engine.

exactly,

i think cos its a RALLIART badge the first thing that comes to mind is FAST.. cos of the EVO's

but i dont think the ralliart badge on the magnas mean that at all, the ralliart badge to me signifies a good well rounded car imporved from an already nice family car with handy extra's . because ralliarts really are top cars... they just arnt as fast as some ppl would like to think though

now interms of turning the ralliarts turn much better than a standard exec, sports, vrx etc ...but buy a set of super low spirngs and strust brace all of a sudden the exec handles better,
The Ralliart steering rack might have something to do with this too. Sure, the car sits flatter due to springs etc but it probably feels more responsive / more accurate due to the rack.

Quote straight from a holden driver "thats one bloody fast magna" (thats a stock ralliart). so it would be about .5 car length 0-100 from a 235kw holden, whcich is ment to do around 6secs 0-100 if i can remember (i could be wrong about that time)

i think that although the ralliart might not be seconds quicker its just how it pulls in any gear at all revs, just such a well put together motor, from the VRX i drove it didn't pull the same.

when i got my 14.006 out of my ralliart i was on bloody good tyres and made a good 60 foot time. the only mods were exhaust, flowed TB and my unichip. I think watchme got a 14.4 with his exec with a few more mods done to it. biggest let down in times is that the car has more mid range performance than top end. if u let them rev easier up top, no matter ralliart engine or a stocker, you'll get the gains-but thats big $$$

Who cares really... stock for stock its proven ralliarts are faster across the 1/4

Mod'd for Mod'd its also proven the ralliart is better on the 1/4..

Performance aside theres heaps of other crap you get for your money that everyone already no's about..

the ralliart magna is a more complete package than any other magna built..

if your happy to spend your money and do up your exec to try and match it then thats good
for you..

the most awesome magna every built and all ppl on this forum want to do is pay it out, i dont get it...

then the same ppl go and chuck a stupid body kit on their exec, stick in racing seats and a new steering wheel, change the suspension, paint their interior, put in an lsd, put on bigger brakes, upgrade the ICE... and still continue to pay out a car that has all that but rolled out of the factory in that way..

before anyone has a go at me ive owned a TR V6 Manual, TJ Sports Manual and now the Ralliart so i can fairly compare them....

who really gives a **** about this fight anyway, the topic was the difference between a standard and ralliart six. All the people who own ralliart magnas love their cars so of course they are going to say they are faster than a standard v6...and all the people who have hotted up sixes are probably just jeleous of the people who can afford a ralliart magna. Be happy with your ride becuase it is different to everyone elses and stop trying to justify why one is quicker than the other. Stay on the topic of the thread and rather than having an on going tennis match of crap try and learn something that you may not already know! Thats how I see it anyway

i dont think anyone is fighting dude ... may just be how ur reading it ..

i thin kits just a healthy debate with good points being raised ..... what would u rather a thread like this where ppl are talking bout the nitty gritty about cars or a " does my car look pretty with this colour" thread

Be happy with your ride
Agreed. Exd 20:17 'Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.'

I don't recall HSV / Holden owners bashing each other.

who really gives a **** about this fight anyway, the topic was the difference between a standard and ralliart six. All the people who own ralliart magnas love their cars so of course they are going to say they are faster than a standard v6...and all the people who have hotted up sixes are probably just jeleous of the people who can afford a ralliart magna. Be happy with your ride becuase it is different to everyone elses and stop trying to justify why one is quicker than the other. Stay on the topic of the thread and rather than having an on going tennis match of crap try and learn something that you may not already know! Thats how I see it anyway

:stoopid:
Stick to the topic and keep your cool guys.

No Ego has the Haltech Piggyback to get his 14.6.. He didnt get there without that

TzaBoy has unichip, extractors and exhaust to get his 14.0... so "basically" same mods to the VRX and Ralliart proves quite a difference if you compare these two particular cars...
maybe ego didnt get there, but i got a 14.6 with just extractors (and k+n panel i guess) im getting ralliart cams and unichip soon....so will be interesting to see how she goes after that. with 1/4 mile times i think one thing that makes it hard to get from say a 14.6 to a flat 14 is gearing!!!!

Everyone's cool. It's just a debate, kept me entertained for the better part of my day off today. We're all friends in the end. :js:

I don't know how this has turned into an "us vs them" battle between Ralliart owners and Magna owners, oh hang on I do it's called ego. Does it really matter how good you think your car is? Does it really matter if your mate Dave can do a 14.6 with extractors, exhaust, whilst picking his nose? Or if Bob can do a 14.5 with only extractors?

The bottom line is Magnas were never designed to be fast cars. I'm not disrespecting them at all, just being realistic here. Who here really cares whether a Hyundai Getz can do a 1/4 mile in 17.0 seconds or 17.2 seconds. I'm sure most of your family, friends, girlfriends etc, couldn't care less whether you can do a 14.6 or a 14.5. I guess what I'm trying to say is people on this forum are too power hungry, which is almost hypocritical since they bought FWD V6 family sedans,to the point where it just becomes a *****ing competition over who is faster. It just ruins the joy of modifiying your car if you're jealous of others with more power, or more luxurious gadgets.

I think a lot of people here could take a leaf out of Dave's (Mitsimans) book. He clearly has the fastest Magna here, running into the 11 second bracket, but doesn't show off or brag about how slow other people's cars are.

He chose to mod his car from a TJ executive which is fine. A Ralliart is obviously a better overall car, but it depends if you want overall value for money, or purely performance value for money.

When will people grow up and realise that modifying your car is cool, but arguing over whose car is faster whilst using exaggerated figures most of the time is childish.

I thought the reason people bought Magnas was because of their overall value, their space, comfort, quality and reliability. If all you care about is performance, buy a WRX, EVO or RWD V8. It will save you a lot of money, time and headaches.

How about we talk stats, facts and mechanics.

ENGINES ALONE as this is what the topic was about.

Ralliart, 180kW 333Nm Torque.

VRX, 163kW, 315Nm Torque (correct if wrong)

The difference was achieved by higher compression, different cams, ecu remapping, extractors.

Were the heads ported+polished at all?

Anyway, there's the meat of the discussion. There ISN'T *that* much difference between the two ENGINES alone.

EDIT: Totally agree with you there VP Vanquish!!!!!!!

How about we talk stats, facts and mechanics.

ENGINES ALONE as this is what the topic was about.

Ralliart, 180kW 333Nm Torque.

VRX, 163kW, 315Nm Torque (correct if wrong)

The difference was achieved by higher compression, different cams, ecu remapping, extractors.

Were the heads ported+polished at all?

Anyway, there's the meat of the discussion. There ISN'T *that* much difference between the two ENGINES alone.

EDIT: Totally agree with you there VP Vanquish!!!!!!!

With all due respect - The facts above were all pretty much covered off in the first two pages of the topic. Is it so terrible that a 'discussion' evolves beyond the original 'topic' and encourages debate between members??

If every topic was only allowed to follow the subject laid out in the topic header - you would find the forum full of 1 page topics which answer a single query and then end. Sure - thats all some topics require, but it would make for a pretty boring forum if members were unable to introduce new ideas / arguments into a topic.

I think many of the points covered in this topic are valid, and would be of interest to anyone considering purchasing a late model magna!!! I also don't believe anyone has been offensive, or offended in the course of this thread.

Sorry - but it annoys me when people 'crash' a topic which they have had no previous input into with comments like "stay on topic", "who cares?" "get a room" etc.

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In reference to _stonesour_'s remark about people associating the ralliart name with "fast" because of the Evo franchise - personally I've always thought of handling first and foremost when the word Evo is mentioned. In reality they aren't all that powerful.

VRX, 163kW, 315Nm Torque (correct if wrong)

Were the heads ported+polished at all?

Anyway, there's the meat of the discussion. There ISN'T *that* much difference between the two ENGINES alone.
Come on KB, get it right:

317Nm

Yes

There's a huge difference :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Who here really cares whether a Hyundai Getz can do a 1/4 mile in 17.0 seconds or 17.2 seconds. I'm sure most of your family, friends, girlfriends etc, couldn't care less whether you can do a 14.6 or a 14.5. I guess what I'm trying to say is people on this forum are too power hungry

with that attitude why even go to the drags at all? of course gf, friends and family dont care about our 1/4 mile times.. there not into cars... what a stupid thing to say...

power hungry? of course! thats why we mod our cars, cause we want more out of them..

anyway, as ppl keep saying this thread is about the motor only which isnt that different to any other 3.5litre... my point is just get over paying out the ralliarts..

gremlin

Well if the facts were covered in the first two pages then there's no need for more discussion on it is there?

All that happens in these ralliart threads is a exec vs ralliart argument when that was NOT what was asked.

So yes, this should've kept on topic.