Does anyone know whats the go with fitting an LSD to the 1998 3.0 ltr TF auto magna ?

I was told yesterday you can fit an after market LSD internals to the diff for around $1,800 plus fitting !

Is there a better option ?

Whats your thoughts

Nic
WA

they are around the $1650-$1800 fitted

honestly u really wont need one until u get some serious power

Yes there are LSD internals available, but as far as I'm aware they will only suit a manual transmission. Unless a new product is out on the market the current options are either an ex-ralliart Magna LSD (supposedly from an FTO), the popular Cusco units and I believe one other company offered an LSD (forgot of name), but all these are only compatible with the manual transmission.

Phonic, I believe you're thinking of Quaife (or it might have two f's in it...not sure)

they are around the $1650-$1800 fitted

honestly u really wont need one until u get some serious power


What a strange comment !

I get unlimited wheel spin now with hankook Ventus RS2 in 235 45 ZR 17 during competition on a dry bitumin track and as any one knows wheel spin means no traction meens slow times !

like I said what a strange comment !

Nic
WA

Thanks to everyone else for the comments !

To fit a LSD to the auto you need a gear qaiffe style unit. You can't use a Cusco equivelent with a clutch pack setup because the dirt etc from the clutch packs as such, would not be compatible with either hte oil or the transmission in keeping it clean.

A gear style qaiffe unit woudl work but they don't acutally make one for the magna.

Word was that the Mivec 3.0 engines auto trans had a factory LSD but I cannot confirm this nor confirm there fitting availability on the car.

Phonic, I believe you're thinking of Quaife (or it might have two f's in it...not sure)

Thats the one:P

What a strange comment !
Can you stop picking on people?


Word was that the Mivec 3.0 engines auto trans had a factory LSD but I cannot confirm this nor confirm there fitting availability on the car.
According to this site, it appears that they weren't.
http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/mitsubishi/diamante/1996_1/16749/

Can you stop picking on people?


According to this site, it appears that they weren't.
http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/mitsubishi/diamante/1996_1/16749/

team jesus can you stop commenting on my threads please

What a strange comment !

I get unlimited wheel spin now with hankook Ventus RS2 in 235 45 ZR 17 during competition on a dry bitumin track and as any one knows wheel spin means no traction meens slow times !

like I said what a strange comment !

Nic
WA

Thanks to everyone else for the comments !

How is it in any way strange, if your getting 'unlimited' wheel spin in an Auto 3.0L I sugest you let the handbrake off or get new tyres. I can only get decent wheelspin in 1st in my car which is Manual, get a small blip from the tyres on the 1st to 2nd shift if im really hammering it but nothing I would call 'unlimited'
I think your exagerating slightly, and his comment was not strange at all, you would be better off spending that $1800 on some performance mods or trying to lighten your car if your really serious about racing your magna... Hell maybe a Manual conversion?

team jesus can you stop commenting on my threads please
Pal, if you don't want me to be helpful then I won't.

And the name is Redav

Afaik the autos have traction control which makes it pretty hard to get any decent amount of wheelspin.

How is it in any way strange, if your getting 'unlimited' wheel spin in an Auto 3.0L I sugest you let the handbrake off or get new tyres. I can only get decent wheelspin in 1st in my car which is Manual, get a small blip from the tyres on the 1st to 2nd shift if im really hammering it but nothing I would call 'unlimited'
I think your exagerating slightly, and his comment was not strange at all, you would be better off spending that $1800 on some performance mods or trying to lighten your car if your really serious about racing your magna... Hell maybe a Manual conversion?


Mate your care must be stuffed then !

My 3.0lt auto spins the wheels leaving a smoke haze behind !
If I go turbo (as sprintex supercharger only fits the 3.5L) then im in a different car class in competition ! My Mods are: a K&N pannel filter, 2.5" front to rear exhaust with pacemaker extractors, high flow steel cat, straight thru high flow mufflers, unichip fitted, front and rear whiteline swaybars with the rear being fully adjustable, super low springs at the front and lows to the rear 294mm EBU rotors green stuff kevlar brake pads and ralliart callipers !

The tyres are the ventus range and are $300 each and are one step down from full Rspec race tyres so please enlighten me with how I get better grip from 1 wheel with out race rubber which then makes it a non street legal car hence my question on LSD's!

Apart from taking the spare tyre out on race day as I do you would be hard pressed to lighten the magnas concidering it my evey day ride and really you cant chop a road car and pass the pits !

I have no traction control on the 1998 TF non air bag and non abs

Nic
WA

Pal, if you don't want me to be helpful then I won't.

And the name is Redav

Hey redav !

no I dont want your comments thanks as they are not helpfull !

Nic
WA

So you have gone from a 3.0L Auto which would have trouble spining the wheels except on take off (which in a proper race you rarely have to take off from a standstill)

You have gotten a 2.5" Exhaust all the way through and a Unichip, and now your spining the wheels is 'unlimited'

:doubt:

And no, my car is not stuffed, Im just not so prone to mass exadgeration as some....

Seriously an LSD would only really be needed if you had a turbo

an LSD would only really be needed if you had a turbo

This man does turn corners at speed a lot, so his need for an LSD is probably amplified with respect to us mortals.

So you have gone from a 3.0L Auto which would have trouble spining the wheels except on take off (which in a proper race you rarely have to take off from a standstill)

You have gotten a 2.5" Exhaust all the way through and a Unichip, and now your spining the wheels is 'unlimited'

:doubt:

And no, my car is not stuffed, Im just not so prone to mass exadgeration as some....

Seriously an LSD would only really be needed if you had a turbo


Hey friend !

Come back and speak to me when you have something on subject to say... my original post was asking anyone who knows if a 1998 TF auto can be fitted with LSD !

You have not offered any advise to that respect so I ask you to please stop sending me posts on my threads unless you stick to the subject at hand !

Many thanks
regards

Nic
WA

Ive got a 3.5L and have plans for sprintex later down the track so Im looking into LSD myself..

* Unless my 97 Verada " Auto" comes with LSD?
Sure doesnt feel like it..

"The Mivec 3.0 engines auto trans had a factory LSD" <-- Im looking around and that other link makes me think its a no.. http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/mitsubishi/diamante/1996_1/16749/

What a strange comment !

I get unlimited wheel spin now with hankook Ventus RS2 in 235 45 ZR 17 during competition on a dry bitumin track and as any one knows wheel spin means no traction meens slow times !

like I said what a strange comment !

Nic
WA

Thanks to everyone else for the comments !


Mate,
What type of track work are we talking about here? Drags, circuit, Motorkhana?


Cummins.

Mate,
What type of track work are we talking about here? Drags, circuit, Motorkhana?

Cummins.

Hi Cummins !
I do circuit and Motorkhana and rally like the clasic challenge here in perth (its like the tagga but lower key) ! So a lot of turns tight circut and open streaches with fast corners !
Wheel spin in a straight line drag race is minimul !

Here are some links to whats on in Perth...

http://www.speedeventseries.com/

http://www.classicrally.com.au/

maxaction@actionalarms.com.au for the MaxAction motorkhanas you can contact norbert !

http://www.trailandenduro.com/ this one links to motorbikes as I also ride cross country endros on my 650cc honda !

Nic
WA

Dudes.....WTF does this LSD stand for???

Dudes.....WTF does this LSD stand for???

Limited Slip Diferential

Ahhh!!

Thanks!

Dudes.....WTF does this LSD stand for???

Read about it HERE (http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/LSD.html)

Damn hippies!!!


Nah, jokes aside it stands for Limited Slip Differential. Basically like a locked diff but it can proportion the torque between wheels independently instead of all the torque taking the easiest path (hence single spinners on an open diff)

Read about it HERE (http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/LSD.html)

Damn hippies!!!


hahaha, i was gonna post something similar but you beat me to it! bloody hippies lol

Dudes.....WTF does this LSD stand for???
You know.. LSD the drug? Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.. it's a hallucinogen that makes you believe your wheels aren't spinning even though they really are. As a bonus, if you use it during a rally event, you get a pink hippo acting as your co-driver for no extra charge.

Hi Cummins !
I do circuit and Motorkhana and rally like the clasic challenge here in perth (its like the tagga but lower key) ! So a lot of turns tight circut and open streaches with fast corners !
Wheel spin in a straight line drag race is minimul !

Nic
WA
mmm, I'd be tempted to say a manual would be the starting point before an LSD as the throttle control/balance that U need for tight corners is hard to achieve in an auto, plus you get less driveline losses with a manual so u make more of the power mods you have done. I can’t see the auto box liking the extra traction either. I’d say the LSD would be the next step after a manual…or at the same time...

My pic to the left is my 3.0 ltr auto getting unlimited wheel spin when comming out of a 20k per hour left hand turn and continues to spin thru to the next corner !

Here are some links to whats on in Perth...

http://www.speedeventseries.com/

http://www.classicrally.com.au/

maxaction@actionalarms.com.au for the MaxAction motorkhanas you can contact norbert !

http://www.trailandenduro.com/ this one links to motorbikes as I also ride cross country endros on my 650cc honda !

Nic
WA[/QUOTE]

I can’t see the auto box liking the extra traction either. I’d say the LSD would be the next step after a manual…or at the same time...

I would agree with this, manual make the car feel so much better, almost feels like another car. But you might find it's easier to transfer your mods over to a manual model and sell the auto.

I would agree with this, manual make the car feel so much better, almost feels like another car. But you might find it's easier to transfer your mods over to a manual model and sell the auto.

yeh good advise phonic !

I thought I might go up to the 3.5ltr hense i was asking about extractor swap from 3.0 to 3.5 !

I have a truck load of boltons I can transfer over !

i have noticed such a drop in the retail price for the older shape magnas now the new 380 has been released and I was thinking of a 99/2000 AWD in 3.5 and swapping my boltons and fitting a sprintex supercharger to give me around 230-240kws at a $7500 price tag for the charger plus car !

Thanks
Nic
WA

I thought I might go up to the 3.5ltr hense i was asking about extractor swap from 3.0 to 3.5 !
Personally I'd be doing a manual conversion before a 3.5 swap. Sure, the 3.5 is torquier but you'd still have your issues with the auto and no LSD available and a manual improves drivability no end.


i have noticed such a drop in the retail price for the older shape magnas now the new 380 has been released and I was thinking of a 99/2000 AWD in 3.5 and swapping my boltons and fitting a sprintex supercharger to give me around 230-240kws at a $7500 price tag for the charger plus car !
But regardless of whether you swap to a manual / 3.5l / LSD or all of them, you can't beat AWD traction. With a supercharger and the increase in torque from idle you're going to have more fun and success with AWD than the other options. Pitty they're only auto / tippy. Maybe you could try the 6 speed Evo GTA tranny? :cool:

Personally I'd be doing a manual conversion before a 3.5 swap. Sure, the 3.5 is torquier but you'd still have your issues with the auto and no LSD available and a manual improves drivability no end.


But regardless of whether you swap to a manual / 3.5l / LSD or all of them, you can't beat AWD traction. With a supercharger and the increase in torque from idle you're going to have more fun and success with AWD than the other options. Pitty they're only auto / tippy. Maybe you could try the 6 speed Evo GTA tranny? :cool:

He means upgrade to a newer 3.5 manual car, not swap the engine over in his current car:D

He means upgrade to a newer 3.5 manual car, not swap the engine over in his current car:D
Maybe, maybe not. He wasn't specific but it's a moot point as there's probably not much in it price. As for which one would be easier, hard to say too, probably getting a newer car. One requires two cars being stuffed around with and one being returned to normal but the other you'd be swapping engine or transmission.

I know I'd be after a newer car :badgrin:

Maybe, maybe not. He wasn't specific but it's a moot point as there's probably not much in it price. As for which one would be easier, hard to say too, probably getting a newer car. One requires two cars being stuffed around with and one being returned to normal but the other you'd be swapping engine or transmission.

I know I'd be after a newer car :badgrin:

I was talking about the upgrade to a newer 3.5lt manual but with the price drop in the retail price of older shape magnas with the release of the 380 I could just about aford the AWD

I know it only come in auto but has traction control !

I would swap the boltons I could over to the AWD and swap back the standard parts to the older model and bring the TF back to standard and sell the rest of the bolton on to those that want them !

Add a supercharger at 230-240kws in auto format

And hey presto you have a "all wheel drive" that has more traction than a "Front Wheel Drive" and eliminating my problem with "single wheel" front wheel spin and corner slip !

Problem solvered

Nic
WA

Is there a better option ?
I don't know if it's a better option however Dodge Steath owners have found something that you insert into your diff and it makes it act like a one way LSD. It's called Phantom Grip and Stealth (GTO / 3000GT) owners have supposedly had some great results with it. I think it's suitable for 2nd gens so don't know how it would go with 3rd gens or autos. You might want to look into the Eclipse forums to see if anyone has had a shot at it.

What a strange comment !

I get unlimited wheel spin now with hankook Ventus RS2 in 235 45 ZR 17 during competition on a dry bitumin track and as any one knows wheel spin means no traction meens slow times !

like I said what a strange comment !

Nic
WA

Thanks to everyone else for the comments !

not really a strange comment at all. Ive got 230hp AT THE WHEELS and i dont have any traction issuse.
Maybe its the way u take off ?

not really a strange comment at all. Ive got 230hp AT THE WHEELS and i dont have any traction issuse.
Maybe its the way u take off ?

I've got 280hp at the wheels and I DO have traction issues :bowrofl:but not as many as you might think.

I've got 280hp at the wheels and I DO have traction issues :bowrofl:but not as many as you might think.
hehe well i'll match yur 280 and raise u some wen my car come back from the tuners :D

hehe well i'll match yur 280 and raise u some wen my car come back from the tuners :D

Mine doesn't have any extra injectors in it though :P Just all natural goodness.

Mine doesn't have any extra injectors in it though :P Just all natural goodness.
i only got yur ones in there too ;)

i only got yur ones in there too ;)
Well, I got 8 of his ones in there. :badgrin:

Give me back my injectors!! :cry:

But regardless of whether you swap to a manual / 3.5l / LSD or all of them, you can't beat AWD traction. With a supercharger and the increase in torque from idle you're going to have more fun and success with AWD than the other options. Pitty they're only auto / tippy. Maybe you could try the 6 speed Evo GTA tranny? :cool:
That's be pretty damn good. I was also wondering if the AWD in the magnas uses the same setups as the EVO's ie same sensors and diffs?

Cos if this was the case then a TCU(if they do use seperate ones. I'm not too sure myself) swapover at the same time would be awesome. Cos I woulda thought that that EVO's would have a much more race orientated TCU setup than the magnas. You'd probably have a fair bit of trouble mating the manual 'box up to the 3.5L though

not really a strange comment at all. Ive got 230hp AT THE WHEELS and i dont have any traction issuse.
Maybe its the way u take off ?

I think he is thinking of grip during cornering (can't put much power down) not so much take offs, since he is concerned with circuit racing. I can see his point, my old auto TF used only spin a wheel momentarily on take off, but would smoke them up no worries in tight corners even when your trying to modulate the throttle.

yeh good advise phonic !

I thought I might go up to the 3.5ltr hense i was asking about extractor swap from 3.0 to 3.5 !

I have a truck load of boltons I can transfer over !

i have noticed such a drop in the retail price for the older shape magnas now the new 380 has been released and I was thinking of a 99/2000 AWD in 3.5 and swapping my boltons and fitting a sprintex supercharger to give me around 230-240kws at a $7500 price tag for the charger plus car !

Thanks
Nic
WA



Ummm.. $7500 price tag for the charger + 3.5L AWD car ? How? :confused:

I would swap the boltons I could over to the AWD and swap back the standard parts to the older model and bring the TF back to standard and sell the rest of the bolton on to those that want them !

Just do a check i seem to remember that the extractors of the fwd dont fit the awd (clearence issues) I think i read it on here somewhere.:)

That is correct - RPW is the only place at this time I beleive that has proper AWD extractors available.

Ummm.. $7500 price tag for the charger + 3.5L AWD car ? How? :confused:

What are you confused about AlphA ?
A $7,500 supercharger plus the $ value of an AWD ie. $15 - 18,000 or what ever the price may be and you get a AWD magna (yeh traction at last) that produces about 230-240 kw in auto format ! What ever boltons I can swap from my current ride I would swap to the AWD and sell off the rest !

Hope thats cleared it up for you !

Nic
WA

needabeta car why are you so adverse to a manual conversion? I would take a manual FWD over an auto AWD.... If your serious about racing, Manual is the way to go.

And im confused, one minute you want an LSD for your 3.0l auto, now you want an AWD with supercharger? (not trying to have a go at you here, you just seem to be changing your mind abit)

Best thing you could do is decide on a plan for your car and stick to it. I would look at keeping the 3.0L, getting a Manual conversion + LSD if your having mass traction issues, + a few hundred or more on getting the car to corner faster. Spending all that money on a supercharger isn't going to help you out if your already having traction issues in an auto 3l

What a strange comment !

I get unlimited wheel spin now with hankook Ventus RS2 in 235 45 ZR 17 during competition on a dry bitumin track and as any one knows wheel spin means no traction meens slow times !

like I said what a strange comment !

Nic
WA

Thanks to everyone else for the comments !
haha u got to be joking rite???? :nuts: either someone is pouring oil in front of ya tyres or its raining and u cant see it!! my bros got a vrx 5speed auto with only 225's and can only just get a bit of wheelspin of the mark.

team jesus can you stop commenting on my threads please

team jesus can you pull your head in first..:D

team jesus can you pull your head in first..:D
lol sorry

This thread is rather random, are we talking about LSD's or are we all on LSD?

Either way Im confused and a little freaked out.

:nuts:

Dude, Im getting some work done at RPW tomorrow so I will check some prices if you want...

* U can get prices and a wealth of knowledge from the RPW website.

For what its worth mate...

Ive had many a cars.. EJ20T Legacy GT allwheel drive, R32 nissan blah blah blah..

I woud get the manual conversion on the car you have or get an all wheel drive "MANUAL" you sound like a manual kinda guy so do it.. I never planned on building up my Verada so I got an auto.. Worst thing I ever did but its a "family car aswell" LoL


Be prepared for $$$$ spending however I converted an R32 Skyline with a mate from Auto into manual and it cost us.. ohh god it cost us. *Never made that money back when we sold it but it was WELL WORTH IT.

*edit, the car was owned by simon aswell.. Sorry Simon! :P


RE: LSD, fantastic if your car is really loosing traction, Me personaly I would look at spending the money on other go fast mods and maybe save for RPW turbo kit.

- Adams 2c

haha u got to be joking rite???? :nuts: either someone is pouring oil in front of ya tyres or its raining and u cant see it!! my bros got a vrx 5speed auto with only 225's and can only just get a bit of wheelspin of the mark.
Don't forget that he isn't doing drags, as pointed out earlier he competes in motorkhanas(sp?). It's a helluva lot easier to get wheel spin while cornering due to the added lateral forces placed onto the tyre.

needabettacar, have you considered other tyres? ie having a set of rims and tyres set aside just for the race meets, as this may be a good band-aid solution

Don't forget that he isn't doing drags, as pointed out earlier he competes in motorkhanas(sp?). It's a helluva lot easier to get wheel spin while cornering due to the added lateral forces placed onto the tyre.

needabettacar, have you considered other tyres? ie having a set of rims and tyres set aside just for the race meets, as this may be a good band-aid solution


True :rofleek:

get an all wheel drive "MANUAL"
What's that? In a Magna? i.e. they don't exist or are you suggesting getting another car that is AWD and manual? I want an AWD Lancer :badgrin:

Just thinking out aloud, maybe cross over to the subaru side is you want all wheel drive, manual, power etc... Not saying you cant do that with a Magna.. Cant u mod an allwheel drive magna?

lol sorry
Hahaha... wasnt talking about you stupid..

I was talkinmg to that fool.. Needabetacar...:nuts: :nuts: what a toss pot..