View Full Version : Those with Turbo's - How much did it set you back?
Lachlan56
01-03-2006, 05:53 PM
I see few posts with people who have forced induction, I see even fewer who list total cost.
So, if you have Forced Induction, be it Turbo, Supercharger or your mums hairdryer taped to the air intake, how much from start to finish, including labour, ECU, all extra little bits etc did it set you back.
A while back I got quoted $12,500 total from RPW for their Stage 1 Twin Turbo setup. Now obviously thats WAAAAAY too much for me, and im not after super power here, just a single smallish turbo runing 5-8 psi
Im almost posotive the result will be me deciding its too expensive, however If someone says they managed it for $2 grand and it worked, I would be interested.
From my understanding half the cost is the labour. Unfortunetly I have no knowledge of how to do it myself, however if anyone around western sydney is willing to do an install for me for reasonably cheap, I would like to hear about it.
unless you do all the work yourself, buy a turbo 2nd hand, and a cooler second hand, you wont be doin it for less than $2k.
The ECU needed to run it would almost cost that much.
Lachlan56
01-03-2006, 05:59 PM
Then how the fudge are so many people running around in Turbo cars.... Wish my job paid more :cry:
Monga
01-03-2006, 06:15 PM
Intercooler & Turbo Piping 1100 ish stainless finish
Intercooler (huge) 350
Turbo, Manifold, Injectors, ECU, Fuel Pump 1200 (cheap second hand Wolf3d Norm 1500ish)
Exhuast 3 inch Turbo Back Highflow cat stainless ect ect 1200
Clutch 800
suspension 600
cv's 500
mounts 250
depression gasket, copperhead gasket, double valves around 1k ( getting atm )
OTHER Stuff iv forgot about or wasted money on in relation to project : 2000k min
Lowered compression
double valve springs
aftermarket head gasket
TD04L Turbo
Custom Manifold
Custom Plenum Chamber
Vl Turbo Fuel Pump
Bosch BOV
Saab Fuel Regulator
Toyota 1G-GZE Injectors - 550cc
Wolf 3D V3 ECU
Bosch Igniter
Pod Filter
Dump Pipe
Front Mount Intercooler
Stainless Steel Plumbing/Piping
High Flow Cat
Stainless Flexi Pipe
Xforce Muffler
3inch Turbo Back Exhuast
stronger mounts
Driveline Modifications:
Custom Heavy Duty Clutch
Suspension Modifications:
Lovell Superlow Springs Front
Lovell Sportlow Springs Rear
Munrow Gas Inserts
new CV's
thats in brief but yeah alot more involved
especially the word LABOUR
AND my car is still having issues now only making around 175fwhp at 4300rpm when it should be pulling to 5500 at least and be making 200fwhp + yet when it was stock it only got 95hp or so gaining nearly double in anybodies mind is good
AND my car is still having issues now only making around 175fwhp at 4300rpm when it should be pulling to 5500 at least and be making 200fwhp + yet when it was stock it only got 95hp or so gaining nearly double in anybodies mind is good
Are your injectors flowing correctly? (what sort of spray pattern is it? how many valves?)
Have you checked to see if your valve springs are maxing out?
Does the car start to drop cylinders after you hit 4300rpm?
Maybe your valve springs are to tough?
Monga
01-03-2006, 10:07 PM
we think its the cam shaft, justins red TR from rpw is having the same problems with power drop off and shagnas to a extent or blow by
Mitsiman
01-03-2006, 10:52 PM
What you are saying doesn't make sense in the fact that, Justins vehicle when first run on the dyno, and on the second dyno, didn't have any issues with dropping power off at 4500 rpm.
Cam timing cam play a large part of it for sure, but you also have two completely different profiles on two different cars. The odds of them having the exact same issues are unlikely, again when you take into account that the problem wasn't there on the red the first couple of times on the dyno. I would be looking for another reason.
choonga
02-03-2006, 12:10 AM
Intercooler & Turbo Piping 1100 ish stainless finish
Intercooler (huge) 350
Turbo, Manifold, Injectors, ECU, Fuel Pump 1200 (cheap second hand Wolf3d Norm 1500ish)
Exhuast 3 inch Turbo Back Highflow cat stainless ect ect 1200
Clutch 800
suspension 600
cv's 500
mounts 250
depression gasket, copperhead gasket, double valves around 1k ( getting atm )
haha. poor car... hope it doesn't go cut itself
Phonic
02-03-2006, 05:55 AM
haha. poor car... hope it doesn't go cut itself
Hheheh the new HKS Emo Gaskets lol
MajesTik
02-03-2006, 12:02 PM
[QUOTE=Lachlan56]
A while back I got quoted $12,500 total from RPW for their Stage 1 Twin Turbo setup. Now obviously thats WAAAAAY too much for me, and im not after super power here, just a single smallish turbo runing 5-8 psi
Say if i was to do this to my car spending 12 and a half grand on a twin turbo wat sort of power are we talking here on a manual TE Magna, if its possible...would it really be worth it tho.?
Ice_Magik
02-03-2006, 12:13 PM
ofcorse its not worth it
12 grand on a turbo setup on a fwd magna is Stupid.
12 grand would buy you a stockish import in pretty good condition, already running turbo, and very unlikely to cause you 1/2 the issues that a non turbo car would if it were turbo'd.
get ya 12 grand, buy an import, then sell your magna, and spend the rest on the import.....then you'd have a Machine !
power are we talking here on a manual TE Magna, if its possible...would it really be worth it tho.?
That is entirely up to the individual if its worth it...
cost vs gain vs functionality.
Disciple
02-03-2006, 12:19 PM
ofcorse its not worth it
12 grand on a turbo setup on a fwd magna is Stupid.
12 grand would buy you a stockish import in pretty good condition, already running turbo, and very unlikely to cause you 1/2 the issues that a non turbo car would if it were turbo'd.
get ya 12 grand, buy an import, then sell your magna, and spend the rest on the import.....then you'd have a Machine !
Uh, is he really asking any of that? He's probably quite aware of said situations and combinations. It's just another turbo import. Maybe he wants to be different, maybe he loves his magna, who knows. Question is "How much did your turbo setup cost on your magna" not "how much will it cost me for a turbo import and will there be many hassles with them" :doubt:
Ice_Magik
02-03-2006, 12:23 PM
Say if i was to do this to my car spending 12 and a half grand on a twin turbo wat sort of power are we talking here on a manual TE Magna, if its possible...would it really be worth it tho.?
Disciple, maybe you should read the whole thread before shooting your mouth off. :belt:
i was answering this question.
Disciple
02-03-2006, 12:26 PM
Yer, fair enough mate. But would you call Booya stupid? :nuts:
Ice_Magik
02-03-2006, 12:29 PM
No insurance on a Monster ?.........
Booya is a different story altogether.
he spent well in excess of 40g's on that car didnt he ?
he had his set up Properly, well, most of it was set up properly.
so say u get yur import then u upgrade yur manifold, upgrade turbo, put in a computer get an exuahst front mount bigger injectors ect ect....
do excatly the same to the magna just didnt start as a turbo.. only difference is that it is different not just another import with big hp. so wat if its FWD still gonna be quick.
:nuts:
Yer, fair enough mate. But would you call Booya stupid? :nuts:
i would.
Great guy, but stupid for spending so much on a car..
Ice_Magik
02-03-2006, 12:39 PM
so say u get yur import then u upgrade yur manifold, upgrade turbo, put in a computer get an exuahst front mount bigger injectors ect ect....
do excatly the same to the magna just didnt start as a turbo.. only difference is that it is different not just another import with big hp. so wat if its FWD still gonna be quick.
:nuts:
There's not many people out there who'd take the time and effort to do a decent job when custom building a Turbo Setup for a Magna..... remembering imports have already made bits laying around in shops, even 2nd hand bits....how many shops you know of that stock turbo manifolds for a magna ? 1 ?
You'd get the same performance out of a 12k + 5k modded import, then you would with a 12k + 12k modded magna !
wats 5K gonna get ya?
Front mount and exhuast $2000
computer $2000
turbo $1500
manifold $500
then ya fuel pumps ect ect $500
injectors $1000
it all adds up.
my mate's all have 180's and silvias. $5000 dont get u far in the modding world.
Ice_Magik
02-03-2006, 12:51 PM
well, $7500 then, you'd get a driveable car, that can put the power on the ground......instead of burning though 3rd gear in a fwd car with a lower amount of power.
Look, im all for Doing up magna's, even turbo'ing magnas, i just dont see how its worth it in the long run.. !
MajesTik
02-03-2006, 01:26 PM
Ice_Magik
Im not saying that im going to do it, i am rather quiet curious about it and see what people's opinions are of it. And to tell you the truth i like my Magna and i just want to be different from most other people cause you see all young people like me with Commo's and now imports are hitting a high, but in the end i am thinking of a Turbo but not so much as far as a twin turbo and spending 12grand ya know, so just want to clear that up. And i have already had an import the HR R31 skyline aswell as my magna.
Mitsiman
02-03-2006, 01:37 PM
Well I have only one thing to say to those who want to know if a twin turbo conversion is worth it.
Come for a drive with me in my car, and at only 8 psi boost, if there is not a large smile on your face, then I will raise it up to 12 and then try and lever you out of my car, as you try to take the keys off me:bowrofl:
Is it worth it compared to imported cars - probably not if you look purely at the fiscal side of the equation.
Is it worth it to blow off that commodore, or nissian vehicle at the drags - absoloutly priceless.
MajesTik
02-03-2006, 01:54 PM
lol....Priceless aye i bet...thats another point pulling up next to a commo/ford or nissan you get the idea and blowing em away, not that i am saying it would be on the streets of course...lol
you've already got my smile, not even being in the car....
Is it worth it to blow off that commodore, or nissian vehicle at the drags - absoloutly priceless.
What your best 1/4 in street trim?
tommo
02-03-2006, 04:10 PM
Well I have only one thing to say to those who want to know if a twin turbo conversion is worth it.
Come for a drive with me in my car, and at only 8 psi boost, if there is not a large smile on your face, then I will raise it up to 12 and then try and lever you out of my car, as you try to take the keys off me:bowrofl:
Is it worth it compared to imported cars - probably not if you look purely at the fiscal side of the equation.
Is it worth it to blow off that commodore, or nissian vehicle at the drags - absoloutly priceless.
So when'll you be round? :D lol
Mitsiman
02-03-2006, 04:45 PM
In street trim with 235 tyres I can do a 13.00 flat with massive amounts of wheel spin.
With slicks of course - can do 11's
If I got some street legal DOT racing tyres, could do low 12's easily
Unfortunatly FWD + Traction + Drags + high horsepower not good combo but workeable.
Killbilly
02-03-2006, 04:50 PM
Unfortunatly FWD + Traction + Drags + high horsepower not good combo but workeable.
Yeah I think that's the point some people are getting at in this thread.
tommo
02-03-2006, 04:57 PM
Has anyone here turbo'd an AWD? I know that there are a few guys that have supercharged them but I don't think I've seen any turbo ones going round
Monga
02-03-2006, 09:51 PM
Im looking at getting another car being a r32 GTR for around 18-25k these cars run 13.3ish stock with just upping the boost slightly you are running 12's which is priceless
as for valve for buck id recommend getting a car with decent power to start off with then start modding, or a car which a factory turbo setup you will save loads which i have realised If i was to have put all the money I have put into my magna into a ca18 or sr20 I would have a high 12 second car, where i am struggling to manage low 14's
obviously having the magna is different and unique and you arnt a average joe and the satisfaction is great pulling up at the lights
would i do it again, No
would I recommend it, Yes if your loaded and love you car to bits
Dpack_1
02-03-2006, 10:41 PM
6g72deTT ... Bolts right into any 3.0V6 magna so to say "putting a turbo in a car that was never meant to have one" is kinda wrong.
There is infact MANY aftermarket parts for a twin turbo magna, just look for GTO or 3000gt parts, you can do anything from bores, cams, turbo headers, ECU upgrades, bigger turbos, 2>1 FMIC, MAF adapters to run post boost (means you can run atmo-bov's rather then recirculatory), the list goes on and on.
I'm sure its a little harder to find said parts over then but even with the exchange rate and shipping cost you could find all the necessary parts for either a TT or Single Turbo conversion to a 6G72.
For the mechanical side of things i got all my turbo parenphenalia for 1200USD, electronics will cost me around another 750USD, and then the nickle and dime **** like gaskets, bolts, brackets etc will probably be a further 500-750USD. Totalling around the 2500 mark, now if you can manage the down time there is a step by step guide to installing a twin turbo into this motor that you can follow over a few weeks and thus there's no labor charge, then you need a dyno tune and you're set.
Convert that to AUD with shipping, and i'd say you got yourself a 300hp TT Magna for less then 5k.
doesnt bolt in at all.. its completly mirroed in the engine bay. gear box ect ect is all back to front
AlphA
02-03-2006, 11:15 PM
Dude.. Ive walked that path, $18k GTRs.. Dont touch them.. $20K R32GTRs, yeah maybe.. Just dont import one and cry when the engine goes bang. But yeah 12's are not that hard with a mild modded RB26DETT
Im looking at getting another car being a r32 GTR for around 18-25k these cars run 13.3ish stock with just upping the boost slightly you are running 12's which is priceless
as for valve for buck id recommend getting a car with decent power to start off with then start modding, or a car which a factory turbo setup you will save loads which i have realised If i was to have put all the money I have put into my magna into a ca18 or sr20 I would have a high 12 second car, where i am struggling to manage low 14's
obviously having the magna is different and unique and you arnt a average joe and the satisfaction is great pulling up at the lights
would i do it again, No
would I recommend it, Yes if your loaded and love you car to bits
Dpack_1
02-03-2006, 11:15 PM
not on any magna that came with the 3.0 SOHC, its the same orientation. True the 3.5 is the opposite way round but i was making my point about the 3.0 :D
AlphA
02-03-2006, 11:18 PM
Im going to save for either one of these mods.
1. Sprintex have a supercharge designed for AWD/FWD 3.5L Magnas ~ $9k fitted
2. RPW Twin Turbo setup, stage 2. ~ $10/12k?
3. Custom built single turbo conversion * Talking about it with a mate and we have a few ideas.. Cost ~ $5k - $6.5k without fitting.
Just gotta see whats out and what suits my style of driving + power/cost ratio
not on any magna that came with the 3.0 SOHC, its the same orientation. True the 3.5 is the opposite way round but i was making my point about the 3.0 :D
i too am quoting the 3.0 ltr engine
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/mehhh/DVC00035.jpg
Dpack_1
02-03-2006, 11:33 PM
My mistake, i meant for any 2g magna with a 3.0ltr then :D
http://www.diamanteowners.com/forum/index.php?&act=garage&CODE=14&type=garage_mod&id=9
My mistake, i meant for any 2g magna with a 3.0ltr then :D
http://www.diamanteowners.com/forum/index.php?&act=garage&CODE=14&type=garage_mod&id=9
yer i know ya did :D
was just being a smart asss ;)
if i had a 2nd gen i would be bolting one of them engines in.
wat i wanna know if the DOHC heads will bolt onto my engine
Dpack_1
02-03-2006, 11:38 PM
Nope, someone tried that over here in the US already, the bottom end is different.
Though yours is different as its a 3ltr too... hmm... only one way to find out :D
thats right, its still a 6g72...
only one of them engines laying round here that i know of but i dont think they would sell me just the heads caz its in a front cut
Rhino
03-03-2006, 07:27 AM
Hheheh the new HKS Emo Gaskets lol
hahaha lmfao :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
depression gasket....
Dpack_1
03-03-2006, 08:23 AM
thats right, its still a 6g72...
only one of them engines laying round here that i know of but i dont think they would sell me just the heads caz its in a front cut
I got some 3.5ltr Heads for sale here, no valves with them though (pistons met valve after a bad timing mistake at the garage i work at) But yeah, if i ever come across some spare DOHC heads i'll be sure to let you know :D
On a side note, are oil catch cans legal over there? You're not allowed to use them here for emissions reasons, not that it stops anybody really.
I got some 3.5ltr Heads for sale here, no valves with them though (pistons met valve after a bad timing mistake at the garage i work at) But yeah, if i ever come across some spare DOHC heads i'll be sure to let you know :D
On a side note, are oil catch cans legal over there? You're not allowed to use them here for emissions reasons, not that it stops anybody really.
sounds good :D
catch cans are legal if they dont go out into the atmosphere, like the one in my pic
tommo
03-03-2006, 02:19 PM
wat i wanna know if the DOHC heads will bolt onto my engine
I woulda thought that you would be able to bolt the head on, but if you wanted the DOHC TT then you'd want the crank, pistons and conrods as well, as they run a lower compression(8:1 from memory). Also the head would be rotated round 180deg so that may be a problem with clearance issues.
For the 3rd gen 6g72's the best option for a head convertion is the 6g72 DOHC MIVEC head. This would be a direct bolt-on but you'd need the ECU to contol the timing changes
not on any magna that came with the 3.0 SOHC, its the same orientation. True the 3.5 is the opposite way round but i was making my point about the 3.0 :D
:stoopid:
the only problem i can think of with this mod, as i want to do this later down the track, is the low amounts of psi u would run so that you can keep traction.:confused: And it would work with the manual gearbox, but it would be a very good idea to get a heavy duty clutch plate.
MajesTik
03-03-2006, 03:26 PM
Speaking of Heavy Duty Clutch Plates, wat would people recommend for a Magna when a turbo is strapped on...
Monga
03-03-2006, 06:40 PM
Dude.. Ive walked that path, $18k GTRs.. Dont touch them.. $20K R32GTRs, yeah maybe.. Just dont import one and cry when the engine goes bang. But yeah 12's are not that hard with a mild modded RB26DETT
yeh mate iv herd stories about that so im considering all options ect
what happened bud?
yeh mate iv herd stories about that so im considering all options ect
what happened bud?
Some boy racer in Japan probably decided the car would be better on 2 bar of boost and let it detonate a few thousand times before it was exported to Australia.
Dpack_1
03-03-2006, 08:33 PM
Low amount of psi on the twin turbo setup = 7psi due to the stock wastegate on the td04's + Higher compression of the motor over the stock TT setup = 330bhp
Cant see why you'd want much more then that really :D
And this whole traction thing kinda annoys me. Yes you'll sit and spin ALL day if you just go to WOT from a stop, but its easy to baby the throttle and just get the car rolling. And a 300HP FWD car is nigh on unstoppable from a roll. At 50kmh you could downshift, hit 3/4s throttle and with a chirp from the tires hit stupid high speeds in a matter of seconds. The only real traction issues you'll have is from 0-100 while at wide open throttle or if you drive in snow, and i'm sure you dont get much snow down under?
As for needing a better clutch, the 5spd isnt too bad but if it fails then you have a lot of options in the form of aftermarket parts.
cthulhu
03-03-2006, 08:42 PM
And this whole traction thing kinda annoys me. Yes you'll sit and spin ALL day if you just go to WOT from a stop, but its easy to baby the throttle and just get the car rolling. And a 300HP FWD car is nigh on unstoppable from a roll.
with my car, even if I'm already rolling in 1st gear, if I hit WOT the wheels will squeel the the car will jump around a bit, but mostly it just goes, so I'm wirh you.. unless you try and launch at 1/2 throttle, traction isn't that much of an issue in a straight line.
needabetacar
06-03-2006, 09:08 AM
with my car, even if I'm already rolling in 1st gear, if I hit WOT the wheels will squeel the the car will jump around a bit, but mostly it just goes, so I'm wirh you.. unless you try and launch at 1/2 throttle, traction isn't that much of an issue in a straight line.
Hey guys... I dont want to sound like im on my :soapbox: here and at risk of a bunch of crittics ranting... :js: wanting to be on at 12 noon let me just say this...
The problem I have encountered and I have the 3.0lt 24 valve TF auto with exhaust extractors pannell filter and unichip 235x17 hankook ventus tyres... is not so much straight line wheel spin in which i get a bit and yes I can see the the buzz when you kick ass at the lights but the biggest problem is in the cornering like in autokhanas and high speed corners where you need to drive your car thu the corner or slow and excelarate from a corner !
I know personly during autokhanas when you do a hard lh/rh turn and gas it on dry bitumen track I get unlimited wheel spin from the 3.0lt as it tries to hall ass out of the corner and your forever off/on the gas when your in and out or tight slow turns !
Now on the other hand when your in a rear wheel drive car you do not get that same traction issue as you do with a FWD its just the way FWD's are its inherent !
Same goes whith the high speed corners where you need to drive the car out of... you are always off the gas to get traction as its inherent that a Front wheel drive car will always try and understeer because of the drive/steer action when power is applied
This is actual experience from some one that driven RWD FWD V8's 6's and 4's in those combinations !
Nic
WA
3.0l honda's... :stoopid: leave them spewing !
3.0lt toyota's not even in the running !
had a run up against a new sports 3.0 toyota and just blew it away even thoiugh
he got the jump on me at the lights... to have him caining his newbie tojo and I just pull along side and give him a glace on the way past... it was priceless !
Go the bolt ons !
Black Beard
06-03-2006, 09:28 AM
with my car, even if I'm already rolling in 1st gear, if I hit WOT the wheels will squeel the the car will jump around a bit, but mostly it just goes, so I'm wirh you.. unless you try and launch at 1/2 throttle, traction isn't that much of an issue in a straight line.
Have you got an LSD fitted to your car? I don't ,and I get the same thing - especially between 3,000 - 4,500 rpm at WOT. It annoys me abit, go to all the trouble of gently 'walking' off the line, only to break traction in the meatiest part of the rev range.
It's not a huge issue - pretty much the only time I curse FWD format for bad straight line traction is in the wet.
And Nic, - don't mean to be rude, but in my experience - straight line traction in any 4spd auto magna is never gonna be an issue (this is from someone who spent a fairly significant amount of money on trying to get good performance out of a 3.5L 4spd auto before giving up and buying a manual magna). As you said - you will get a little chrip off the line when you mash the pedal, but in my experience - the torque converter eats up more than enough grunt that straight line wheelspin isn't an issue. Correct me if I'm wrong - but would an LSD eliminate the 'mid corner' wheelspin you are describing?
cthulhu
06-03-2006, 10:15 AM
Have you got an LSD fitted to your car? I don't ,and I get the same thing - especially between 3,000 - 4,500 rpm at WOT. It annoys me abit, go to all the trouble of gently 'walking' off the line, only to break traction in the meatiest part of the rev range.
No, just the standard diff for me.
Interestingly I mashed the loud pedal in 2nd the other day from about 40kph and it nearly broke traction then too lol
needabetacar
06-03-2006, 10:23 AM
Have you got an LSD fitted to your car? I don't ,and I get the same thing - especially between 3,000 - 4,500 rpm at WOT. It annoys me abit, go to all the trouble of gently 'walking' off the line, only to break traction in the meatiest part of the rev range.
It's not a huge issue - pretty much the only time I curse FWD format for bad straight line traction is in the wet.
And Nic, - don't mean to be rude, but in my experience - straight line traction in any 4spd auto magna is never gonna be an issue (this is from someone who spent a fairly significant amount of money on trying to get good performance out of a 3.5L 4spd auto before giving up and buying a manual magna). As you said - you will get a little chrip off the line when you mash the pedal, but in my experience - the torque converter eats up more than enough grunt that straight line wheelspin isn't an issue. Correct me if I'm wrong - but would an LSD eliminate the 'mid corner' wheelspin you are describing?
Hey Black Beard and thanks for your constructive comments !
Yes you are right and I think I said it was only in the tight autokhanas and highspeed corners that I encounter problems !
I have been down that track with a LSD but it look likes its only fitted to the manual boxes !
The LSD will underpin the understear to a good degree on high speed turns but not totaly in direct comparison with the RWD !
My own experience is with the rear wheel drive is, it turns the car in on a high speed corner because of the geometry of the rear tending to want to oversteer on exceleration thru a turn and the undisturbed front traction you get on the front with a RWD !
I was thinking with the sudden drop in prices of the old shape magnas now the new 380 has been released I am looking at a AWD 3.5lt (which only came out in auto) and plonking on a sprintex supercharger !
With AWTraction and 230-240kws spec on the auto should solve all the problems !
I can swap a lot of my boltons across and what doesnt fit Ill sell off !
Bring my TF back to stock and sell it off also !
This should minimalise the cost... or I could just say F*** it... and go for a Nissan Skyline which I really do like and being a 2 door... well if the daughters dont like it they can walk ! lol
Regards
Nic
Ice_Magik
06-03-2006, 11:03 AM
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With AWTraction and 230-240kws spec on the auto should solve all the problems !
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It might give you a sweet dyno figure sure....
But Sprintex themselves have quoted that an experienced driver, in their Sawd pulls a 14.9 quater mile, i'd say this will change your mind about supercharging an awd...
14.9, put an exhaust, extractors, cai and a chip onto a fwd tj and you'd acheive the same results !
Black Beard
06-03-2006, 11:15 AM
It might give you a sweet dyno figure sure....
But Sprintex themselves have quoted that an experienced driver, in their Sawd pulls a 14.9 quater mile, i'd say this will change your mind about supercharging an awd...
14.9, put an exhaust, extractors, cai and a chip onto a fwd tj and you'd acheive the same results !
He competes in motorkhanas / sprints etc - straight line / standing start accelleration isn't going to win those sorts of events. A balance of useable torque, handling and traction will. I think it's safe to say a stout AWD Magna would suit his requirements more.
I think it's safe to say a stout AWD Magna would suit his requirements more.
Perhaps, but i can guarantee that the tiptronic wont last in the AWD...
Hell if the tiptronic slips doing the Great Ocean Road, id hate to see it being used and abused at a track day!
cthulhu
06-03-2006, 01:52 PM
Perhaps, but i can guarantee that the tiptronic wont last in the AWD...
Hell if the tiptronic slips doing the Great Ocean Road, id hate to see it being used and abused at a track day!
And yet they didn't change the gearbox (except for an oil cooler) in the rally going AWD cars. The might be stronger than you give them credit for.
And yet they didn't change the gearbox (except for an oil cooler) in the rally going AWD cars. The might be stronger than you give them credit for.
They would have had to have done more than stick and oil cooler on it.. (unless there is a revised edition of the auto gearbox)
The only reason i say this is because mine slipped and cooked numerous times when i took it on any twisty excursions. (Choonga, Tiphareth (his girlfriend, sorry cant remember the name) can attest to this at mm04.
needabetacar
06-03-2006, 03:20 PM
Perhaps, but i can guarantee that the tiptronic wont last in the AWD...
Hell if the tiptronic slips doing the Great Ocean Road, id hate to see it being used and abused at a track day!
Bain:
I think your info is incorrect !
I cant see how your auto is slipping and if it is you need a service !
I have done 178,000km in my 1998 3.0lt TF "AUTO" magna and have never had a problem with the auto and I drive autokhanas all the time and have for years !
No oil cooler fitter yet !
I have had the car since 48,000ks
It still runs on open road up to 220ks in 4th without slip and all changes including shifting gears between 1st-2nd and 2nd-3rd and 3rd-4th while in drive I have no slip exept the normal change between gears slippage.
Fitted: extractors, 2.5" exhaust, high flow mufflers, steel cat, unichip, K7N Pannel filter plus extensive suspention work.
Nic
WA
links in WA speed events for cars that i compete in:
www.classicrally.com.au
www.speedeventseries.com
maxaction@actionalarms.com
for guys that ride bikes like me:
www.trailandenduro.com
Redav
06-03-2006, 03:48 PM
They would have had to have done more than stick and oil cooler on it.. (unless there is a revised edition of the auto gearbox)
Nope, just the auto cooler. I spent a day with the team in 2004 and they filled me in on what the differences were between the road going version against their car and it was just a cooler. I even watched them swap it as it had been leaking.
The only reason i say this is because mine slipped and cooked numerous times when i took it on any twisty excursions. (Choonga, Tiphareth (his girlfriend, sorry cant remember the name) can attest to this at mm04.
But you didn't have the same transmission, did you? I thought the AWD 5 speeder was from the Evo GTA?
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