hey, just wondering how bad the torque steer really is on the ralliart. thanks guys

Torque steer is when the car pulls to one side under heavy acceleration right? I get this in first when I boot it, gave me quite a suprise when I first got the car.

As Raliarts have more torque I would say its worse, but probably barely noticable in 2nd or above

the torque steer on a ralliart isnt bad is it? dont they have torque sensing LSD's ?

in any event, on a dry road they wouldnt get torque steer :P

i found my vrx had more torque steer? (dont flame me) its a compliment to the ralliart

so ur saying vrx has more torque steer than ralliart. cos im deciding between the two

so ur saying vrx has more torque steer than ralliart. cos im deciding between the two


wen i drove i thought the vrx had more tourqe steer, which i put down to the ralliart having an LSD. id advise u to test drive both mate

to be honest, i dont really get much torque steer at all..

although i havent really tried my hardest to get torque steer happening, but i have tried and was quiet impressed that it didnt have as much as i expected..

would i be right in saying manuals would have worse torque steer??

i dunno. but apparently the 5sp semi auto came with traction control n the manual didnt

i dunno. but apparently the 5sp semi auto came with traction control n the manual didnt

true.. the manual had LSD, auto didnt..

auto - traction control
man - LSD

If you are used to driving a front wheel drive you won't find it a hassle, just hold on to the wheel firmly when accelerating, the LSD doesn't affect the torque steer but it defiantly helps you go where you point round a corner as opposed to just spinning the inside wheel. The style of LSD in the Ralliart, a Quaife I think (uses a gear arrangement), doesn't effect turn in like a clutch style LSD. So the car is still very drivable. I highly recommend the Whiteline Anti-lift kit for making the car handle easier when powering out of corners.

Cummins.

i saw this comment made in a review of the ralliart magna,
"However, should you feel the need to crack a grin or two and launch off the line with youthful vigour, be prepared for the steering to go super light and the car to take an unnatural interest in occupying the lane next to you."
Is this true?

i saw this comment made in a review of the ralliart magna,
"However, should you feel the need to crack a grin or two and launch off the line with youthful vigour, be prepared for the steering to go super light and the car to take an unnatural interest in occupying the lane next to you."
Is this true?
Show me a car that doesn't lighten the steering on launch :nuts: Just point it where u wanna go and hold on, same as any FWD. The Lightening is reduced by the Anti-lift kit though. That's just my experience...

Cummins.

i saw this comment made in a review of the ralliart magna,
"However, should you feel the need to crack a grin or two and launch off the line with youthful vigour, be prepared for the steering to go super light and the car to take an unnatural interest in occupying the lane next to you."
Is this true?


Yes, although exagerated.

In my car, when accelerating HARD in 1st only, I need to turn the wheel right a bit as the car likes to pull to the left. However its easily corrected, and only occurs in 1st so its not that big a deal

I drove both the auto and manual ralliarts just before xmas and th auto was ok but the manual was bad enough to take some of the fun away. A manual vrx is friendlier and not to much slower. All exceptional drives however, I am still happy I passed up the quicker "go" for AWD handling though.

I just had this amazing thought that will help you fix any torque steer problems....!!!!:shock:

hold the wheel and concentrate on driving. :nuts: its not that hard to do, most people do it every day. honest, they really do. if your going to be accelerating hard off the line while trying to light a ciggie, eat a burger, or have a beer, then you will loose control, but it wont be a problem much after that powerpole you hit at 60 anyway. :roll:

I'm with cummins. I can usually hold the wheel dead straight with basically no torque steer with one hand on the steering wheel and one hand on the gear leaver ready to change gears. My car has no after market suspension mods or anything. Really, those reviews are so exagerated. I mean if you're a frail 80 yr old man with arthritis, the torque steer may actually break your arm in half. I've raced (traffic light drags) a TJ VRX (the guy was going hard) and I snapped him. Car length ahead midway through second gear.

It's not a cronic problem. I get a fair bit of torque steer on hard take offs, but nothing that scares you. A simple correction with the steering wheel and your off.

It's not as if your trying to get 300kW to the ground and the car starts lane changing at will, although it would be fun trying to tame such a beast:badgrin:

Although in the wet I've had the car momentarily torque steering, when changing from 2nd and somtimes into 3rd.

someone should spend money on a project in making the ralliart rear wheel or awd drive

Not sure about the autos, but i dont really ever get torque steer, one or 2 times maybe, i found if you are taking of as quick as posible and changing lanes it can pull a bit but as i said not very often,

i had a verada and now ralliart, and going from no LSD to a car with LSD i dont ever want a car with out one. there cool:)

I can get torque steer with my 3.0l manual but it's only usually exagerated on poor pavement. For the most part it's quite controllable.

why are u all saying the LSD helps torque steer ?

i always thought the LSD encourages it, cos as one wheels starts to get to much power going through it and starts to spin it pushes more power to the other wheel etc .. causing more torque steer ... ive read an article about ralliarts to support that to :S

why are u all saying the LSD helps torque steer ?

i always thought the LSD encourages it, cos as one wheels starts to get to much power going through it and starts to spin it pushes more power to the other wheel etc .. causing more torque steer ... ive read an article about ralliarts to support that to :S

I would've thought that putting power through both wheels would make it track straight. So there would be torque steer off the line, but as the LSD kicks in, it would track straight (well straight after the torque steer has moved it off line)... :S

ive read an article about ralliarts to support that to
groooooan :roll: paper mechanic... ive driven one... it helps...

why are u all saying the LSD helps torque steer ?
cause the ralliart one does... its not a cusco... its designed for it... same as the FTO...

i always thought the LSD encourages it, cos as one wheels starts to get to much power going through it and starts to spin it pushes more power to the other wheel etc .. causing more torque steer ..
TORQUE SENSING LSD and what you just described then is a shift in power, therefore NEGATING torque steer... :)

gees settle down i just said i read it in a mag somewhere ...i was asking a question not making a bold statement

From what i understand the torque steer is caused by the differences in lengths of the drive shafts i.e the drivers side shaft is shorter than the passenger side.As to whether a lsd would help this or not I dont think it would.It would help with traction but dunno about torque steer.

But i am no expert just my 2c worth.:D

From what i understand the torque steer is caused by the differences in lengths of the drive shafts i.e the drivers side shaft is shorter than the passenger side.As to whether a lsd would help this or not I dont think it would.It would help with traction but dunno about torque steer.

But i am no expert just my 2c worth.:D

It's actually caused by the power not being dissapated evenly through the wheels. Power is dissapated primarily to the front left in a FWD car, and left rear in a RWD car :)

It's actually caused by the power not being dissapated evenly through the wheels. Power is dissapated primarily to the front left in a FWD car, and left rear in a RWD car :)
And this is caused by what? the length of the shafts or what that dissapates the power?:confused:

And this is caused by what? the length of the shafts or what that dissapates the power?:confused:

When you're old enough I'll tell you.... ;)

(basically, I got nfi, I just know that it happens lol)

have a read travis
http://www.mcasco.com/qa_ts.html
;)
Its caused in part by one axle being longer then the other and when the engine is under power the longer axle becomes a lever which pulls the car in that direction.

OK... So that does shed a bit of light....

Basically a longer shaft has more area to twist under hard acceleration, then when it springs back the torque steer occurs...

Seems to make sense... Hence why the torque steer is more prominent in first gear, higher torque, more twist, more torque steer ???

OK... So that does shed a bit of light....

Basically a longer shaft has more area to twist under hard acceleration, then when it springs back the torque steer occurs...

Seems to make sense... Hence why the torque steer is more prominent in first gear, higher torque, more twist, more torque steer ???
:owned: :D

I'm gonna go delete my posts now... :bowrofl:

Hey, atleast I learnt something though :D:D

i still dont understand how LSD's cause less torque steer ... can someone dumb it down for me

i still dont understand how LSD's cause less torque steer ... can someone dumb it down for me


Yeah sure its all because of .... http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential8.htm

maybe i didnt read it carefully enough, but it generally explain how an LSD works not how it reduces torque steer

maybe i didnt read it carefully enough, but it generally explain how an LSD works not how it reduces torque steer
Nope doesn't explain how it reduces torque steer.

maybe i didnt read it carefully enough, but it generally explain how an LSD works not how it reduces torque steer

My understanding is thus:

Torque steer occurs in my car, the car pulls to the left.

The right wheel is pulling harder than the left, hence the car is turning left. An LSD that corrects this, senses that they are not getting equal power and diverts some more to the left wheel, balancing it out, as someoen else said, negative torque, eg sending more torque to the left wheel than the right to compensate for the right wheels natrual tendancy to pull harder.

My understanding is thus:

Torque steer occurs in my car, the car pulls to the left.

The right wheel is pulling harder than the left, hence the car is turning left. An LSD that corrects this, senses that they are not getting equal power and diverts some more to the left wheel, balancing it out, as someoen else said, negative torque, eg sending more torque to the left wheel than the right to compensate for the right wheels natrual tendancy to pull harder.

this is what im not understanding ......yes torque steer happens in FWD's but explain why the car moves side to side ( ie both sides) under torque steer... how could it be moving both sides if only one wheel was loosing traction

where as imagine a FWD with a really really tight LSD ... one wheel goes over a slight bump and hass a reduced amount of pressing it to the floor, the opposing wheel makes up for it by gripping more ... but also pulling car to one side.... so imagine ur avarage road and u floor it with a tight LSD... surely that would cause more torque steer yes? cos both sides fight for power and traction causing it to dart around a bit ?

or have i comepletely missed how toque steer happens

*edit thnx to slug we managed to find that article i rememebr reading
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:XTTGaEXKCC0J:www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_1459/article.html+TORQUE+steer+and++LSD&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=22

I though a LSD would make it a bit better.. I tell you what.. Im going to stick a LSD in my VRX soon so ill tell you if its better or not with it..

And having 20`s that tram track on every groove in the road and torque is a treat...:P

Now stop all ur whinging the lot of ya`s..lol