Hi guys...

I was wondering if I should be going for a Greddy or if a unichip would have the same effect..?

I have an offer for Greddy emanage including all parts and software for 400 bucks. That a good deal?

Anyone with experiences...please post!

(TF 3.0l engine 24v here)

400 is pretty good if in comes with all harnesses, injector and ignition harnesses etc

dont expect much of a gain if you magna is stockish, the magnas are pretty well tuned.
i gained 5kw from my greddy with a little bit of torque but i only have extractors, muffler, hi flow tb, pod filter

i have a 3.5L

Thanks for the info!

Yeah..greddy comes with everything.....

The greddy should give you more future flexibility and a wider choice of tuners. If you can get it substantially cheaper than the unichip, jump at it.

But as SYNRGY says, make sure the price you have includes the extra harnesses.

In the end though it all really comes down to the tuner. If you have good support in VIC for the Greddy then go for that if not then go for the unichip.

most tuning software is pretty the same, any good tuner should be able to adapt to the greddy environment fairly easy

In the end though it all really comes down to the tuner. If you have good support in VIC for the Greddy then go for that if not then go for the unichip.

I did get some info...but can anyone reccomend "Magna Dyno Greddy" - tuners? :D

EDIT: How much money should I plan in for tuning and Dyno?

4 hours which is about $400 is what all tuners say

i got mines tuned in 1.5 hours

Thanks!

I did get some info...but can anyone reccomend "Magna Dyno Greddy" - tuners? :D

EDIT: How much money should I plan in for tuning and Dyno?

Don't know about down in Melbourne - but here in Brisbane, I couldn't find anyone who had experience tuning a magna, and I found even less workshops which specialised in emanage. I had quotes ranging from $500 to $1100, and ended up paying $800 for install and tune.

i'm finding it hard to find a place that tunes the greddy...i'm helping chan do some research and i'm turning grey from it...

Don't know about down in Melbourne - but here in Brisbane, I couldn't find anyone who had experience tuning a magna, and I found even less workshops which specialised in emanage. I had quotes ranging from $500 to $1100, and ended up paying $800 for install and tune.

How much power increase did u get, mate?

How much power increase did u get, mate?



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Gotta keep this short as I'm on my way out...........

As some of you will know - about 3 months ago I reached the culmination of some performance mods to my 2002 TJII 4spd auto Exec. The final mod was an emanage fitted and tuned at 101 Motorcafe here in Brisbane - the tune netted about 121kW at the wheels...... you will no doubt remember that I was less than impressed with this.

Some of you will also remember that just before Christmas I picked up a 2003 built TJII 5spd manual Exec - in a last ditch effort to get satisfaction from modding magnas. Over the last few weeks I have been transferring all the performance mods from the auto to the manual - and today I picked the car up once again from 101 Motorcafe after they transferred the emanage across and tuned the new car.

Here are the results: (note the 38 deg intake temp )




All mods should be listed in my profile if you're wondering. The only difference between the two is that I fitted Barry's Fuel Rail Kit while installing the mods on the new car, and I didn't fit up the piping from RPW's CAI kit (the POD is mounted behind the front of the factory air box - sucking in lots of hot air).

Barry - if you're reading this, I have to appologise, because of lack of time - I fitted the fuel rail kit at the same time as the RPW plennum chamber and therefore can't give an independent impression of the kit itself. Rob at 101 however confirmed what you say about the effects of heated fuel so I am confident your kit is the best value for money option for anyone experiencing flat spot from a K&N filter (apart from not buying a K&N filter in the first place )

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Here are the results: (note the 38 deg intake temp )






what result its a blank space....? anyway so much for keeping it short...u had alot of info..useful :) <-- this is an example of short :P

what result its a blank space....? anyway so much for keeping it short...u had alot of info..useful :) <-- this is an example of short :P




sorry it didnt came out good but he's getting 141kw with fpr, barry's kit, and the greddy

what result its a blank space....? anyway so much for keeping it short...u had alot of info..useful :) <-- this is an example of short :P

lol, thanks for that edwin.

Dark magician was referring to the thread detailing my emanage experience (note - this experience encompases two different TJII's, one 4spd auto and one 5spd manual). You can read the full thread here (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30330).

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask in this thread (no need to resurrect the old thread).

lol, thanks for that edwin.

name is Irvin by the way :P

name is Irvin by the way :P

Thats nice to know......... I was thanking Edwin (Dark Magician) for copying the contents of my post into this thread.

:bowrofl:

yeah, id be morw worried bout finding a good tuner than worrying about greddy or unichip ... but if u can get the greddy cheap then buy it while the offer is there

Chan go the cams sort out the fuel injection at the end. What the hell go a sprintex instead.:)

i'm finding it hard to find a place that tunes the greddy...i'm helping chan do some research and i'm turning grey from it...

I have the unichip fitted !

Geeze thats cheep !

Here in WA its $1,420 for the unichip fitted drive in drive out dyno'd and
about $1,470 for the greedy !

l gained 4-6kws across the rev range after fitting the unichip

l have extractors, high flow steel cat, 2.5" straight thru with high flow mufflers and panell filter fitted !

just be caufull that you can get the unichip tuned as over here you must go back to the unichip suplier to tune the car as they wont give out the tuning details but with the greedy system you can down load them from the site !

Nic
WA

just be caufull that you can get the unichip tuned as over here you must go back to the unichip suplier to tune the car as they wont give out the tuning details

That's by design. Only authorised unichip dealers (http://www.unichip.com.au/aus_spec/aus_dealers.htm) are able to install and tune those ECUs.

That's by design. Only authorised unichip dealers (http://www.unichip.com.au/aus_spec/aus_dealers.htm) are able to install and tune those ECUs.

A small fact they forgot to tell me when I enquired on the unichip ! :rant:

Also if you want to go up to say a turbo there is only a 15% variation with the fueling on a unichip but the greedy is much more versitile... another fact they forgot to tell me when I enquired on the unichip even when I specificly asked what if I want to turbo ! :rant:
Nic
WA

Personally I'd go the Greddy, cos they can be tuned by most people with a dyno and they are so much more versatile

400 is pretty good if in comes with all harnesses, injector and ignition harnesses etc dont expect much of a gain if you magna is stockish, the magnas are pretty well tuned. i gained 5kw from my greddy with a little bit of torque but i only have extractors, muffler, hi flow tb, pod filter i have a 3.5L

You said you gained 5kws with the greedy ?
I gained 4-6 across the rev range with the unichip and I have the same boltons as you !
Is that right ?
I now know that the greedy is more versitile if you wanted to do more stuff like turbo but I would have thought you would have got more then 5kws ?

nic
WA

You said you gained 5kws with the greedy ?
I gained 4-6 across the rev range with the unichip and I have the same boltons as you !
Is that right ?
I now know that the greedy is more versitile if you wanted to do more stuff like turbo but I would have thought you would have got more then 5kws ?

nic
WA

Hey nic,

How much increase did you get at peak power? and at what RPM is it being produced?

Because just like you, I gained an average of 4-6kW accross the rev range. But I experienced a steady incread in power from about 4,000rpm and up with an increase of upto 12kW @wheels by peak power (which was shifted 100rpm higher then factory, but I assume thats from the breathing mods more then anything).

Thanks for all the feedback guys....

I will be going for the Greddy - as i get it cheaper and can use it with different cars as well.

I found some Tuners for the Greddy...but still havent decided to which one I will go.

Cheers!

Hey nic,

How much increase did you get at peak power? and at what RPM is it being produced?

Because just like you, I gained an average of 4-6kW accross the rev range. But I experienced a steady incread in power from about 4,000rpm and up with an increase of upto 12kW @wheels by peak power (which was shifted 100rpm higher then factory, but I assume thats from the breathing mods more then anything).

Hey phonic !
I found a better pedal response in the beginning and a increase of power thru the rev range but it peaked sooner and lost power over standard at peak power !
I did notice in the auto while in drive it was crisper accross the range and from say 75 thru to 130 you could really feel the extra kws
One thing I noticed while auto changing from 2nd to 3rd was at 115kms @ 6000rpm before now runs thru to 125kms but still within the 6000rpm range ?
Not sure how that works tho ! lol

Nic
WA

Hey phonic !
I found a better pedal response in the beginning and a increase of power thru the rev range but it peaked sooner and lost power over standard at peak power !


You lost peak power?!!!!:shock: That doesn't sound right, mayeb ring APS and question them about your results. Becuase I'm pretty sure they used to have a policy that if power isn't increased by 10% you can return the prodict and get your money back.

Personally I'd go the Greddy, cos they can be tuned by most people with a dyno and they are so much more versatile
That's extremely subjective. It depends purely on what's available in your local area. i.e. Brisbane has very few people who are willing to tune a GReddy unit let alone are experts with them. From what I heard Adelaide / Melb is the opposite.

Go with a system that gives you easy access to a good tuner that suits your application and budget.


...but it peaked sooner and lost power over standard at peak power !

One thing I noticed while auto changing from 2nd to 3rd was at 115kms @ 6000rpm before now runs thru to 125kms but still within the 6000rpm range ?
Not sure how that works tho ! lol
That's a worry :confused:

Anyway, my car gained 10kW from Haltech Interceptor. Third gen wiring is a sinch because it's the same as an Evo.

$400, thats cheap, get it !

+ the Greddy sticker looks the goods !! :D

+ the Greddy sticker looks the goods !! :D
Just make sure that if you feel the stupid need to put such a sticker on your car, make sure you do it after it's installed and tuned. The number of cars around with shopping lists and nothing from those companies is rediculous, especially when it's blatently obvious they aren't fitted to the car - they only make you look like a liar or a poser.

If you get a Greddy like myself, it is an ideal opportunity to get it tuned for premium fuel. It costs about 7c per litre more, but you get a few more KWs from the advanced timing, and possibly slightly better fuel consumption.

If you get a Greddy like myself, it is an ideal opportunity to get it tuned for premium fuel. It costs about 7c per litre more, but you get a few more KWs from the advanced timing, and possibly slightly better fuel consumption.
The better fuel consumption only comes when you've put for foot down and is where some more power is made because an engine at WOT from factory usually run's pretty rich. Unless you've tune for closed loop too but that's not normal.

The better fuel consumption only comes when you've put for foot down and is where some more power is made because an engine at WOT from factory usually run's pretty rich. Unless you've tune for closed loop too but that's not normal.

Power resulting from the burning of the fuel is dependant on two variables:
1) A/F ratio. This is set in closed loop mode by the oxy sensor and ECU and is not usually tuneable.
2) Spark timing. Advancing the timing to the point of max power.

Using a higher octane fuel allows more advance and usually more power. If for example your Magna needs 20KW to travel at a constant 60KPH and you now have 25KW due to better timing, then the throttle can be backed off and less air and fuel going in untill the power has dropped back to the 20KW required for that speed. Less fuel being used equals better fuel consumption. All this is refering to closed loop mode.

Of course there are other things which effect power and efficiency of the burn such as compression ratio, size of spark, temp, etc.

I agree that at WOT normal fuel maps run very rich in order to reduce the temp of the burn, and more power can be achieved by leaning out the mixture to about 12.5:1.

for $400 can u get me one too i'll be nice :D