hey guys/gals

i have a 92 tr with the 2.6. love it to bits i need more power.

i know people have turboed the 2.6 or the 3.0 litre just wondering if anyone has put a different motor of any sort in a second gen magna, im looking to do something different.

cheers for help
paddles

hey also another question,

does the mitsubishi gto have the same engine as the 3.0 litre v6 that came out in the second gen magnas?

paddles

ive got a 2.6 but thinking of either going DOHC (which are very very rare for magna engines) or do the 3.0l manual conversion which might be a bit cheaper but a bit of work involved

i remember KB saying that the lower spec gto's had the SOHC and the higher spec ones had the DOHC......not 100% sure on that though so ill wait for KB to rectify it.

KB has put in the DOHC, and a few other members are planning to aswell..

for the 2.6 i dont know of anyone who has converted there engines.

whats mods have you done to your car?

can i say that there is no real point in doing a 3L sohc conversion i wouldn't really even drop dohc into 4cyl to stuffy with the mount etc; the 3L sohc being 12v will not satisfy you for long either as its only as fast as your average ecotech commodore and you'll start dreaming of bigger and better things like a 65-67 mustang or tt gto; but yeah for 3L sohc guys the dohc is pretty easy conversion and will keep me satisfied before i can go for a car (afford) that'll float down to the 11's

my 2c

ps modding a 3.5 might be worth it i just really dont like the 12v head from 2nd gens.

If your gonna spend the money on a new engine, I wouldnt bother unless your rich.

Id upgrade to a GEN 3 magna which are cheap these days.

thats my opinion.

You can fit a DOHC 3.0L into your car, but the cost would out-weigh the benefits. I looked into this, and also the turbo/supercharger option, and decided to save the money i'd spend on all that and just buy a TJ 3.5 L which will give me the same power.
It's up to you :).

what other 4cyl will bolt in ??

the 6g72 24 valve over head cam twin turbo out of gto bolts straight in to a tr magna, just need a v6 magna gear box and some different drive shafts.

what other 4cyl will bolt in ??


4g63t would be a close bolt in

Yep i've just confirmed that the 3.0 v6 in the 2nd gen magnas and veradas are the same in the lower spec GTO. Called just jap and enquired.
My mates 1995 GTO TT has the same engine sound on start up and idle as my verada.
Pretty cool I think :D

Yep i've just confirmed that the 3.0 v6 in the 2nd gen magnas and veradas are the same in the lower spec GTO. Called just jap and enquired.
My mates 1995 GTO TT has the same engine sound on start up and idle as my verada.
Pretty cool I think :D


did you race him after that lol lol :D :D

']did you race him after that lol lol :D :D
Hahahahaha as if lol

ok i'll clear somethings up, the SOHC engine in the 3000gt, is the same as the one in the v6 2nd gen magnas, the DOHC engine in the 3000gt is a drop in replacement, and the DOHC TT engine in the 3000gt is the same deal, however there is a couple problems such as the heater hoses getting in the way of the turboes i think.

4g63t would be a close bolt in


whats that motor out of??

Yes the 3000GT with the SOHC is an "SL" I'm pretty sure lowest spec one. This would've been considerably slower than a V6 manual TR/TS as the 3000GT weighs in at about 1800kg.

And as for the bolt in stuff...well it's all been extensively covered plenty of times before.

Before:
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~monstr/monstr/images/conversion/sohcin.jpg

After:
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~monstr/monstr/images/conversion/dohcin.jpg

mate ya gotta give her a clean, now that you have "time" and all:shock:

get some silicon spray onto er' to shine er' up

:) then take photos

i was mainly referring to the TT fitting problems, but i wasnt sure about the N/A DOHC version, but u have to admitt a heavy duty clutch helps:D

']mate ya gotta give her a clean, now that you have "time" and all:shock:

get some silicon spray onto er' to shine er' up

:) then take photos

lol it needs more than silicone spray. And that was the night that the conversion was finished...

Yes the 3000GT with the SOHC is an "SL" I'm pretty sure lowest spec one. This would've been considerably slower than a V6 manual TR/TS as the 3000GT weighs in at about 1800kg.

And as for the bolt in stuff...well it's all been extensively covered plenty of times before.

Before:
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~monstr/monstr/images/conversion/sohcin.jpg

After:
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~monstr/monstr/images/conversion/dohcin.jpg

its only the vr4s that weigh close to 1800 kgs. This is because of all the extra parts that must be added for the AWD, 4WS, aeros etc. The gtos that had the sohc engine are only FWD and weigh less....but still "slow". (compared to a vr4)

its only the vr4s that weigh close to 1800 kgs. This is because of all the extra parts that must be added for the AWD, 4WS, aeros etc. The gtos that had the sohc engine are only FWD and weigh less....but still "slow". (compared to a vr4)

Yeah true, didnt think of that but they're still significantly heavier than a TR Exec V6 5 speed manual

LOL! a 3.5 having the same power as a tt3lt??? LOL at "M4DDOG"!!!

yeah i think u r right M4DDOG, the next time i see a TJ magna next to a GTO at a set of lights i WILL definatly put my bottom dollar on the TJ winning!!!lol NOT! u crack me up




if u are serious about a heart transplant, go the TTV6. itll be worth it. and plus, can u imagine the face of someone in a 5ltwhen uve just blown them away in your 2nd Gen!!!
just remember that the TTV6 is imported, and parts are hard to get and when u do get them, ul pay!!!

lol....still laughing at the 3.5 tj joke u made M4DDOG

LOL! a 3.5 having the same power as a tt3lt??? LOL at "M4DDOG"!!!

yeah i think u r right M4DDOG, the next time i see a TJ magna next to a GTO at a set of lights i WILL definatly put my bottom dollar on the TJ winning!!!lol NOT! u crack me up




if u are serious about a heart transplant, go the TTV6. itll be worth it. and plus, can u imagine the face of someone in a 5ltwhen uve just blown them away in your 2nd Gen!!!
just remember that the TTV6 is imported, and parts are hard to get and when u do get them, ul pay!!!

lol....still laughing at the 3.5 tj joke u made M4DDOG
I was referring to the N/A DOHC.......:doubt:.

Still, the NA DOHC in a TR has more potential than a 3.5 in a TJ, regardless of what the 3rd gen owners say ;)

plus, can u imagine the face of someone in a 5ltwhen uve just blown them away in your 2nd Gen!!!



I seem to remember an HSV feeling like this with KB's car, well up 90kph anyway, but on the other hand KB had no clutch either


the 6g72 24 valve over head cam twin turbo out of gto bolts straight in to a tr magna, just need a v6 magna gear box and some different drive shafts.

If going from a 4cyl, well no.

You need the above plus the lh engine mount of the inner guard to be unpicked and then changed over. with the v6 one. NOt a hard task but you have to be good as if it is picked by the authorities you will have engineering problems.

I seem to remember an HSV feeling like this with KB's car, well up 90kph anyway, but on the other hand KB had no clutch either

110 :P

Still, the NA DOHC in a TR has more potential than a 3.5 in a TJ, regardless of what the 3rd gen owners say ;)
Hehe yeh i know, but the cost to put the engine in a 4 cylinder and then the resale aspect (i'd get next to no money back on what i spent) i hardly saw the point. Sure if you are going to go all out and blow $$$ to get a quick car, go for it :).

hey KB, wat ever happened to the 3.5 DOHC(i think) conversion? or did u give the engine bak to norm?

remember kb's running of an auto ecu which leaves it slightly out of tune (rich) it still pulled 165hp atw i believe thats as much as the tj vrx's i've also it weighs 300kg less also a 14.7 is at stock ralliart times aint it?? i'd love to see the ralliart lsd get a 2nd gen of the line then the gen 2 come back. hehehe

peace out
aj

ps where teh **** is my half cut, i want one now

Man. engine threads HAVE to be the most popular threads to be started. I think its funny when someone starts a transplant thread that everyone says 'turbo turbo' and no one ever brings up the insurance, cost of turbo parts and wank factors. When doing the conversion, I would go a N/A DOHC simply because I believe N/A cars that go as hard as turbo cars are hell tough, you don't have a big dick on your forehead because you got a fully hektic turbo car PLUS the fact that if you put ANY second hand engine in your car, there is the same risk of buying ANY second hand turbo charged vehicle that your turbos can and will, in time, seize, blow oil hoses and give you problems, the idea of turbo to me is 'moneymoneymoney', so your paying what, three times as much insurance because of the hair-dryer, your paying all that cash when you could be putting it towards a house, couch, fridge, pool, astronaught space party.. whatever. There are a lot less things to go wrong in a n/a car then turbo, let me sum it up for those people who disagree, the more stars the more in price it will be

Turbo quadruple OHC tri-turbo car:
Install ***
turbos (would need a reco if your smart) ***
Intercooling (i guess its not a 'must') *
most probably bigger radiator (if it fits from a f/cut) **
insurance *****
g/box (when you try to impress some girls doing a sick burnout when really they're looking at the guy in the next car because he's not acting like a total dildo) ****
Front tyres **
Fuel (no doubt you'd be running some Martini race gas cause your so damned 'core) ***


N/A:
Install **
Insurance *

OMG!

Twin Turbo DHC:
Install ***
turbos (would need a reco if your smart) **
Intercooling (i guess its not a 'must') *
most probably bigger radiator (if it fits from a f/cut) *
insurance ***
g/box (the gearbox doesnt need to be replaced unless your a tosser, so thats not a fair cost to put in there, you can also **** up your gearbox in the N/A car the same way so (no cost)
Heavy Duty Clutch plate *
Front tyres **
Fuel once again, you will only change your fuel if YOU want to, price will go up here but not majorly, depending on the boost, lower the boost, less fuel cost, only put it up a little to keep the turboes in use so i'd say the fuel cost would go up a bit **


N/A:
Install **
Heavy Duty Clutch plate *
Insurance *





Although the price of installing and running a Turbo car is more than running an N/A car, it would be cheaper yet to keep the engine thats in there. I am actually going to install the Twin turbo engine later down the line, i can see what your saying, but its personal prefernce. BTW when you try to compare prices on things dont EVER be biased, you automatically assumed that if you get the twin turbo engine you think your a hardcore tosser who goes around destroying your cv's and gearbox. Hate to break it to you but im not a hardcore tosser you destroys his car.

hey KB, wat ever happened to the 3.5 DOHC(i think) conversion? or did u give the engine bak to norm?

In progress with other things, the ute has to be done first as it's going to be the daily. The TR is getting some nice goodies before it comes back on the road...could take a few years though.


remember kb's running of an auto ecu which leaves it slightly out of tune (rich) it still pulled 165hp atw i believe thats as much as the tj vrx's i've also it weighs 300kg less also a 14.7 is at stock ralliart times aint it?? i'd love to see the ralliart lsd get a 2nd gen of the line then the gen 2 come back. hehehe

peace out
aj

ps where teh **** is my half cut, i want one now

Yeah the ecu is from an auto diamante in the states. Also mine is a diamante motor, these weren't as powerful as the later model n/a gto ones. The GTO ones got updated and the diamante stayed the same. So there's TONS of potential.

So there's TONS of potential.

mmm mmm 4 camshafts and 4 valves per cylinder someone (aka kb) has to work this engine

Yeah the ecu is from an auto diamante in the states. Also mine is a diamante motor, these weren't as powerful as the later model n/a gto ones. The GTO ones got updated and the diamante stayed the same. So there's TONS of potential.

So it'd be better sourcing a GTO 24v rather than the diamante.. i'd guess they'd both have as much headaches to get here as the other but what exactly IS the difference between them? just updated cam's or something like that or was it a more heavy make-over? I'm looking to drive my sohc into the ground then do a swap in probably a few years or less.. wanna get a good lock onto whats best.. also i'd assume a GTO engine would cost more purely cause its from a GTO..

So it'd be better sourcing a GTO 24v rather than the diamante.. i'd guess they'd both have as much headaches to get here as the other but what exactly IS the difference between them? just updated cam's or something like that or was it a more heavy make-over? I'm looking to drive my sohc into the ground then do a swap in probably a few years or less.. wanna get a good lock onto whats best.. also i'd assume a GTO engine would cost more purely cause its from a GTO..

The difference is (as far as I know) ecu tuning (but using an aftermarket is going to fix that), the 2nd "gen" DOHC 24v had a crank angle sensor and cam angle sensor. The power difference was about 160kw vs 177kW I think. The details on the differences are few and far between and sketchy.

I would think the cam profiles may have changed a bit. And yeah the GTO one would probably cost more because of that reason. But I'd get it from Japan, it'll be cheap anyway.