Dropped by Street Torque when I was in Alice Springs yesterday and finally picked up a copy of my latest dyno sheet. Yay.

The red graph is stock, the blue graph is my last tune with the RPW S1 cams, and obviously the green graph is the current state of tune.

http://www.wermspowke.net/images/dyno-hc.jpg

So what are all the mods, last time you only had 160 FW Kw.

whats the total cost uo to?

Thanks.

PS. We doen mate thatis mad.

So what are all the mods, last time you only had 160 FW Kw.

whats the total cost uo to?


Mods are all in my profile.

Cost wise, I've spent over $10K on the engine, but I also did things in three stages.

:clap:

Well done cthulhu! Not many have the staying power to extract that sort of result out the magna's and keep it NA.. I didnt.

I think we will call it Naturally Aswome

Mods are all in my profile.

Cost wise, I've spent over $10K on the engine, but I also did things in three stages.



:shock: :shock: :shock:

congrats man, when ya taking it down the 1/4?

Yeah, you took your time :bowrofl:

Well done cthulhu!

Cheers! :)


']when ya taking it down the 1/4?

Plan is, March 31st.


Yeah, you took your time :bowrofl:

Quiet you :P

i think he deserves a round of applaus, or a block of cheese, which ever is easier, but still an awsome effort, now get out there and put those v8's and turbos to shame :cool:

only about 100Kw away from BOOYA:)

Nice work cthulhu.

You have made the path for N/A I think I will follow you! :D

Have ummm'd and arrrrghhh'd about the RPW TT setup for some time now.

thats awsome dude!!!!

aint it funny 2 years ago u woulda had the fastest NA magna in australia...with simply 160 atws ...and now u and jason are blowing the field away with 200 plus!!!!

plans on going down the 1/4 anytime soon? well done dude!!

Nice work man, big thanks from me for showing people how to build an NA engine, bolt ons are for turbo engines :P The mitsu V6 is a lovely design and power is easy to get out of them.

Now a couple of questions, can you get any traction in first and second ?
And how did you rustle up the cams from Tighe ? contacts?

Matthius

P.S: I've been waiting for someone to post some cam duration specs, jason has been a little reluctant so far ;) do you know the lift on them ?

']only about 100Kw away from BOOYA:)


100kw away, and he's still got $30,000 ish to play with :D


Congrats on the figures mate, doin us N/A people prowed !

Now a couple of questions, can you get any traction in first and second ?
And how did you rustle up the cams from Tighe ? contacts?

Matthius

P.S: I've been waiting for someone to post some cam duration specs, jason has been a little reluctant so far ;) do you know the lift on them ?

1. Depends on the road and conditions. I'm still running stock 16" wheels with 215/60 tyres so there's more give than the 18"+ crowd. Most cases it'll start to spin or at least get skittish at the top of 1st. Doubly so if the wheels aren't straight ahead. 2nd is alright in a straight line, except in the wet where it'll spin as soon as you go to WOT. Mind you, at the moment I have no tacho so I'm not even sure where in the rev range I'm changing.

2. After we had trouble getting the cams out of RPW, Dallas just called Tighe directly, told them what the engine build was and what sort of power he was aiming for, and 4 days later we had a set of cams.

3. I'll have to check lift. I think it's around .345". I meant to find out, but forgot.. doh.

Thats very impressive - congratulations :D .

Oh, and thanks for making it even harder for those of us trying to decide on a path to get over 200kW ATW from a Magna........ it used to be an easy decision to make - because virtually the only answer was "turbo". Now there's just too many options :bowrofl: .

erm 4500Nm?? :shock:
Or is it meant to be 450? lol

Matthius

P.S: I've been waiting for someone to post some cam duration specs, jason has been a little reluctant so far ;) do you know the lift on them ?

Ive been a bit reluctant to post my cam specs cos they are a bit bigger than brendans and it took abit of R&D on my behalf to get them how i wanted them, that is all. :)

erm 4500Nm?? :shock:
Or is it meant to be 450? lol

Nah, the 4500N (not Nm) is tractive effort - force exerted against the rollers. It's not torque produced by the engine.

To make a really really rough calculation.. my peak torque occurs probably around 5000rpm. At the point of peak torque I'm making maybe 170kW at the wheels? Using the inaccurate calculation of hp at the wheels =~ kW at the flywheel gives me 227kW at the fly.

T = P * 9550 / R

T = 226 * 9550 / 5000 = 433Nm @ 5000rpm

Likely to be off by +/- 30Nm

Ive been a bit reluctant to post my cam specs cos they are a bit bigger than brendans and it took abit of R&D on my behalf to get them how i wanted them, that is all. :)

*chants* dyno sheet.. dyno sheet.. :D

Ive been a bit reluctant to post my cam specs cos they are a bit bigger than brendans and it took abit of R&D on my behalf to get them how i wanted them, that is all. :)

Not trying to have a dig, just very very curious :P Havent played with cams on 4 valve motors before and from what I've seen lift specs are very low, I'm used to 600thou lift.

Matthius

Not trying to have a dig, just very very curious :P Havent played with cams on 4 valve motors before and from what I've seen lift specs are very low, I'm used to 600thou lift.

Matthius

The reason our lifts are low is because of direct actuation. The cams for the ford boss quad cam V8 engines have lowish lift values as well.

*chants* dyno sheet.. dyno sheet.. :D

Mate i want you to have the glory for a while (like you asked me) :D

My motor will be back in within the next few weeks, now that my gearbox is fixed and been run in with no troubles :P

Mate i want you to have the glory for a while (like you asked me) :D

My motor will be back in within the next few weeks, now that my gearbox is fixed and been run in with no troubles :P

Mate, this seems to be the general thrust of all your posts.

"I'm gunna be faster than you, my engine is gunna do this and that, but I'm not gunna tell you what I've done, it's top secret"

Gunna Jason... :D :gtfo:

Well done, Cthulhu. You've put your money where your mouth is and come up with the results.

And, posted as much info as possible to help other members.

Top notch. :thumbsup:

Mate, this seems to be the general thrust of all your posts.

"I'm gunna be faster than you, my engine is gunna do this and that, but I'm not gunna tell you what I've done, it's top secret"

Gunna Jason... :D :gtfo:

Well done, Cthulhu. You've put your money where your mouth is and come up with the results.

And, posted as much info as possible to help other members.

Top notch. :thumbsup:

Mate i have the runs on the board (my OLD 1/4mile time with old engine) AND brendan (cthulhu) and i, as well as others have spoken in great lengths about my engine and other mods and swapped info via pm's, why should i tell people like you all my secrets that took me time and effort to do(Ian aka ezboy knows what i mean when i say this), when all you wanna do is flame me?

Mulga; I doubt you even have the brain capacity or the knowledge to do anything other than dream of doing work on your car except maybe washing and polishing it. :bowrofl:

My post before was between cthulhu and i (we had a joke earlier this yr when discussing our engines hence me saying what i said)

I havnt just thrown money to other people and said here ya go mate, make my car fast, i DECIDED to do it MY way and learn as i went along, i guess im different to others but i take pride in doing things myself on my car.....Maybe its something some of you guys could do and learn as well.

*Point noted that not everybody has the ability or resources to do everything themselves but come on part of doing up a car any car is the pride you get from getting in and doing/learning things along the way and knowing that you did alot of it yourself.*

YES congratulations to brendan aka cthulhu, he told me about all this before you guys knew. Good work by dallas and the street torque crew. :thumbsup:

jason has never withheld info i needed for MY car from me .. and trust me he knows his stuff ...

everytime u post something up here there is someone else to say "oh thats not true" so i cant blame him, he cops it alot and if ppl knocked me as much as they did him i wouldnt tell ppl the nitty gritty of my car either

big congrats!
207Kw's anywhere on anything is great! I'd be very proud of myself if i was you, I'd be happy if my magna still made half that power at the flywheel!

Mate, this seems to be the general thrust of all your posts.

"I'm gunna be faster than you, my engine is gunna do this and that, but I'm not gunna tell you what I've done, it's top secret"

Gunna Jason... :D :gtfo:
Yeah, I see a theme too. Seems there's an aweful lot of people here who post nothing but negative crap. How about you (and others) leave alone the people here who have an actual interest in real modifications and are actually doing something more than filters, exhausts and fuel rail kits (sorry Barry - I'm not having a dig at you).

You know, Aussie Magna was once a great forum frequented by great people. But guess what? A lot of them left. Do you know why? General negative rubbish like this. Keyboard warriors just love to cut down people just because someone else has said something but hasn't 'proven' anything so it therefore must be crap and require a verbal lashing.

These days Aussie Magna is a great forum frequented by a great number of people who have nothing better to do than post crap and ridicule. The truth of it is that in a few months Aussie Magna will become Aussie Ricer* where members slander each other and talk hot air about the modifications they only dream about. Pull your heads in guys. There is far too much time spent slagging ourselves than offering constructive comments and encouragement.


Well done, Cthulhu. You've put your money where your mouth is and come up with the results.

And, posted as much info as possible to help other members.
Yeah, well done Cthulhu. You're just lucky you weren't abused for taking soo long to post the required evidence that you'd modified your car more than a fully sic pod and some fully sic stickers even though you hadn't hidden the fact that you'd done the work to your car over the course of several months.




* This is not directed at Blake or any of the moderation team. It is a good forum with great reps run by some good moderators who have an amazing amount of patience with some of the members.

Mate, this seems to be the general thrust of all your posts.

"I'm gunna be faster than you, my engine is gunna do this and that, but I'm not gunna tell you what I've done, it's top secret"

Gunna Jason... :D :gtfo:

Well done, Cthulhu. You've put your money where your mouth is and come up with the results.

And, posted as much info as possible to help other members.

Top notch. :thumbsup:
so wat if he doesnt share his info with every single person that asks for it..
i mean dam i dont tell every one my mods wen im out n bout.
theres a thing called consideration and if he wants to keep it to a few ppl or even himself then thats fair enough for many reasons.


but as for brendans dyno its almost up there with mine hehe

but as for brendans dyno its almost up there with mine hehe

What's all this then?! Have you been keeping secrets yourself?

Mate i want you to have the glory for a while (like you asked me) :D

My motor will be back in within the next few weeks, now that my gearbox is fixed and been run in with no troubles :P

Sod that! I already know you're making more power than me :cry: When you're ready, I would like to see the shape of your power curve though.

Nah, the 4500N (not Nm) is tractive effort - force exerted against the rollers. It's not torque produced by the engine.

To make a really really rough calculation.. my peak torque occurs probably around 5000rpm. At the point of peak torque I'm making maybe 170kW at the wheels? Using the inaccurate calculation of hp at the wheels =~ kW at the flywheel gives me 227kW at the fly.

T = P * 9550 / R

T = 226 * 9550 / 5000 = 433Nm @ 5000rpm

Likely to be off by +/- 30Nm
Oops my bad. But 433ish Nm from a N/A 6 is AWESOME!!!:shock: That is just amazing man :thumbsup:

What's all this then?! Have you been keeping secrets yourself?

hahaha nah dude just jokes :D
stirring the pot of tension in this thread

Sod that! I already know you're making more power than me :cry: When you're ready, I would like to see the shape of your power curve though.

Brendan i will gladly email it to you and others who have been chatting to me on MSN soon but i will not at this stage post it up on these forums due to certain people pissing me off. :badgrin:

Brendan i will gladly email it to you and others who have been chatting to me on MSN soon but i will not at this stage post it up on these forums due to certain people pissing me off. :badgrin:

Ohhh don't make the rest of us (positivlly interested people) miss out due to a few rotten eggs:cry: lol

You know, Aussie Magna was once a great forum frequented by great people.

What are you trying to say, the ones left are crap:shock: .

In all seriousness I totally agree with you. I remember a time when the majority of the posts where mechanically inclined, with great discussion on new modifications. Seamed like there was more respect between members back then.

What are you trying to say, the ones left are crap:shock:
Hahaha... you know what I mean, only some of the crap ones are left :bowrofl:


In all seriousness I totally agree with you. I remember a time when the majority of the posts where mechanically inclined, with great discussion on new modifications. Seamed like there was more respect between members back then.
Yeah, those were the days.

But these days? Lets look at it: my exhaust isn't loud enough, pimp my car, 50 filter threads and enough tail light and indicator threads to kill your spam filter.

Too much oestrogen and not enough testosterone. Come on guys, grow some balls are use the internet to find out what cars are for: driving. They are not extensions of your over self inflated ego that need tacky tarting up with chrome, rice, carbon fibre, stickers, altezas and other items of crap.

But these days? Lets look at it: my exhaust isn't loud enough, pimp my car, 50 filter threads and enough tail light and indicator threads to kill your spam filter.

Too much oestrogen and not enough testosterone. Come on guys, grow some balls are use the internet to find out what cars are for: driving. They are not extensions of your over self inflated ego that need tacky tarting up with chrome, rice, carbon fibre, stickers, altezas and other items of crap. __________________


hahahaha the man does have a point!

specially when ppl are so quick to pay out excels and lancers LOL

anyways we should be happy to know that there are NA magna's around which are capable of pulling a 13 big ups to them!

anyways we should be happy to know that there are NA magna's around which are capable of pulling a 13 big ups to them!
Amen brother.

anyways we should be happy to know that there are NA magna's around which are capable of pulling a 13 big ups to them!

Lets just hope the driver is capable too lol :redface:

Come on guys, grow some balls are use the internet to find out what cars are for: driving. They are not extensions of your over self inflated ego that need tacky tarting up with chrome, rice, carbon fibre, stickers, altezas and other items of crap.

but i like my tarted up magna :cry:

dam u N/A boys for showing impressive figures, im still inbetween whether or not to mod the engine on my magna, for now im pretty happy with it. At this rate im gunna have to sell my right testicle to get some engine mods going

Mate i have the runs on the board (my OLD 1/4mile time with old engine) AND brendan (cthulhu) and i, as well as others have spoken in great lengths about my engine and other mods and swapped info via pm's, why should i tell people like you all my secrets that took me time and effort to do(Ian aka ezboy knows what i mean when i say this), when all you wanna do is flame me?

Mulga; I doubt you even have the brain capacity or the knowledge to do anything other than dream of doing work on your car except maybe washing and polishing it.

My post before was between cthulhu and i (we had a joke earlier this yr when discussing our engines hence me saying what i said)

I havnt just thrown money to other people and said here ya go mate, make my car fast, i DECIDED to do it MY way and learn as i went along, i guess im different to others but i take pride in doing things myself on my car.....Maybe its something some of you guys could do and learn as well.

*Point noted that not everybody has the ability or resources to do everything themselves but come on part of doing up a car any car is the pride you get from getting in and doing/learning things along the way and knowing that you did alot of it yourself.*

YES congratulations to brendan aka cthulhu, he told me about all this before you guys knew. Good work by dallas and the street torque crew. :thumbsup:


You are totally correct. My post was very negative and I apologise.:redface:

Me and probably all other members are impressed by what you have achieved. A sub 14 sec. Magna? Awesome!!

Hell, if we all had free access to Mitsubishi engineers and CNC machines, let alone the tools to remove and rebuild engines/gearboxes/clutches, then everyone would have a crack at it.:D

I haven't spent alot of time here and don't have access to your PM's: it was an impression of you formed from reading your posts.

My time these days is spent working 60 hr weeks trying to make 20k profit per month to keep 4 blokes in a job.

There's where my brainpower is directed. I gave up working on Toranas and motorbikes when you were still poohing in your nappy, so I know nothing about 6G engines.lol

So when a bloke who works (used to work?) at Mitsu came along with a modified Magna, I figured here was an alternative to running the gauntlet of the local tuning shop/Mitsu specialist in another state.

Maybe some how to articles, a bit of advice here and there......

But hey, we aren't all the same type of people. Keep your methods to yourself if that is what you want.

Good luck to anyone modifying their car. Especially given the huge time and money required to build up Magnas.

Big ups.:thumbsup:

rargh rargh love this mate; i love how people spend 100$ on a filter and are disappointed with the magna by all accounts ive read they are such a beautifully engineered motor and this yet again proves it. Well done mate.

Can i for one just say i hate ricers ruining stuff; i used to love reading the technical threads people with the know how like jason posted, but gayness has made it harder for me. I personally am trying to learn how to do this sort of stuff myself and with no one to teach except that which is learnt through my course. Non of my family has technical motoring ability and im proud to say ive learnt alot in the last years but i want to keep learning so please keep amc positive so such guys put the effort in to help people like me...


bit of a rant; i scored a goal tonight i rule; so does bleeding mascara by atreyu. ps i really wanna work for mitsu when i finish. 207kwatw's thats awesome; i want that power, im poor

peace out;
aj

thats unreal mate, good work
nearly as much power as me but iv got twin turbos :p 292rwkw

is it possible to look at going turbo with adjusting your current mods for HUGE gains or possible blower?

is it possible to look at going turbo with adjusting your current mods for HUGE gains or possible blower?

Somehow I doubt it. For Brendan to go forced induction from here would mean undoing a few grands worth of the work he's done to get to this stage. His cams don't sound like they are condusive to Force fed application, and his hi-comp pistons definetly aren't. He might as well have started with a stock engine, taken 4-5 grand and flushed it down the toilet, then started building it up for a high output turbo application.

Somehow I doubt it. For Brendan to go forced induction from here would mean undoing a few grands worth of the work he's done to get to this stage. His cams don't sound like they are condusive to Force fed application, and his hi-comp pistons definetly aren't. He might as well have started with a stock engine, taken 4-5 grand and flushed it down the toilet, then started building it up for a high output turbo application.

it didnt stop booya though !:P

it didnt stop booya though !:P

haha yeah, but Street Torque owned most of the high-comp engine that Booya was running for a while.

Black Beard is right. To go turbo I'd need to decompress the engine and get a different cam profile, not to mention bin my extractors. It's not worth the additional $10K outlay on the magna.

I'll save the turbo for my next car :drool: I've already got it all planned out.

You are totally correct. My post was very negative and I apologise.:redface:

Me and probably all other members are impressed by what you have achieved. A sub 14 sec. Magna? Awesome!!

Hell, if we all had free access to Mitsubishi engineers and CNC machines, let alone the tools to remove and rebuild engines/gearboxes/clutches, then everyone would have a crack at it.:D

There's where my brainpower is directed. I gave up working on Toranas and motorbikes when you were still poohing in your nappy, so I know nothing about 6G engines.lol

So when a bloke who works (used to work?) at Mitsu came along with a modified Magna, I figured here was an alternative to running the gauntlet of the local tuning shop/Mitsu specialist in another state.

Maybe some how to articles, a bit of advice here and there......

But hey, we aren't all the same type of people. Keep your methods to yourself if that is what you want.

Big ups.:thumbsup:

Just a heads up mate, im not a young pimply teenager, i am a mid 30's bloke. I have been working on cars since i was 10yrs old (modifying cars runs in our family), hence why i have car knowledge.

The MMAL engine guys that i knew and use to work with all took seperation packages in 2004, so the latest reincarnation of my motor was worked out by me taking my time, doing my homework and using the skills i have learnt thru the years of working on cars, hence why my engine build up didnt cost me lots of $$$$.

All is good dude, i used to help anybody with there cars but after a number of years of being used by so called mates (and not being payed) to help fix there cars, iam now very reluctant to help just anybody. There are some good people in this club and if people want info and i can help, iam only a PM away. :)