Reading THIS (http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D84BC38159508343CA257148000BA036) article from www.goauto.com.au, I found this bit interesting:


A model variant with a new 150kW/352Nm 3.0-litre MIVEC V6 engine will follow early next year.

Could this be a derivative of the 6G72?. Might offer interesting modification options:P

More torque than a 3.5L?
That's crazy!
Would it be DOHC as well?

I couldn't find any additonal information on the 3.0 MIVEC, but from their last efforts I'd be guessing it will be SOHC (cost cutting). But heres hoping.:P

Although the 2.4 DOHC MIVEC that it will be released with in Japan will most likelly be offered in our market (as opposed to the current SOHC 2.4 MIVEC in the current Outlander, Nimbus and Lancer).

Sweet... i like where this is going :D

Sweet... i like where this is going :D

Hmmmmm mivec on our 3.5's.......would it be possible/hard to do??...heres hoping!!!

mmmm... i was just thinking about taking out my 6g72 then putting in one of these 3.0ltr MIVECs the japs have had them for ages... same with NZ and america. why the hell dont we get them here? we always miss out.

mmmm... i was just thinking about taking out my 6g72 then putting in one of these 3.0ltr MIVECs the japs have had them for ages... same with NZ and america. why the hell dont we get them here? we always miss out.
Just hope that they are the right way around. Either 2nd gen or 3rd gen should be able to fit them, will have to wait and see.

352Nm from a 3.0L N/A?! Very impressive if true

Thats crazy torque for a N/A 3.0l!

No offence though, I just dont think Mitsu could develop a 3.0l N/A engine that makes 352Nm of torque.

As, other 3.5l just make that much torque. I doubt Mitsu could make that happen with 0.5 less capacity.

sorry fellah's, but its an all new engine design and not a derivitive of the 6G72


Thats crazy torque for a N/A 3.0l!

No offence though, I just dont think Mitsu could develop a 3.0l N/A engine that makes 352Nm of torque.

As, other 3.5l just make that much torque. I doubt Mitsu could make that happen with 0.5 less capacity.

well believe it, its true. Its this wonderful thing called technological advancement! The new engine is based on much more up to date technology then the old 6G74 3.5's in our magnas. It wasn't all that long ago that people said "you can't get 140kw out of a n/a 4cyl" but now days its almost common

352Nm/3.0L = 117Nm per Litre! I had a quick look on redbook of even some exotic cars and havent come up with anything that better that! All current models;

Ferrari 360 Spider, 3.6L 8 cylidner, 373Nm (103Nm/Litre)
Porsche Cayman 3.4L 6 cylinder, 340Nm (100Nm/Litre)
Nissan 350Z 3.5L V6, 353Nm (101Nm/Litre)

hell even the M3, with one of the best engines ever made, cant top 117Nm/Litre;

BMW M3, 3.2L 6 cylinder, 365Nm (114Nm/Litre)

hence why I am very impressed, if its true :cool:

352Nm/3.0L = 117Nm per Litre! I had a quick look on redbook of even some exotic cars and havent come up with anything that better that! All current models;

Ferrari 360 Spider, 3.6L 8 cylidner, 373Nm (103Nm/Litre)
Porsche Cayman 3.4L 6 cylinder, 340Nm (100Nm/Litre)
Nissan 350Z 3.5L V6, 353Nm (101Nm/Litre)

hell even the M3, with one of the best engines ever made, cant top 117Nm/Litre;

BMW M3, 3.2L 6 cylinder, 365Nm (114Nm/Litre)

hence why I am very impressed, if its true :cool:

yep i see your point there, i guess why i am convinced its true is why would mitsubishi lie? i read the same torque figure in another article aswell so if its a typo then thats two seperate articles running the exact same typo!

Considering Mitsubishi can ring 355nm (and around 400nm in up spec EVO's) out of the 2.0L 4cyl EVO engine which has been around in basic form for donkeys years, I don't doubt the torque figure of this new Outlander engine. Oh and the new Outlander doesn't look to bad either.:D

As long as it will bolt in :D im a happay man... even if i have to use a shoe horn ;)

Considering Mitsubishi can ring 355nm (and around 400nm in up spec EVO's) out of the 2.0L 4cyl EVO engine which has been around in basic form for donkeys years, I don't doubt the torque figure of this new Outlander engine. Oh and the new Outlander doesn't look to bad either.:D

biiig difference between you start talking forced induction though :P

Someone just pointed this thread out to me, very interesting. But it just seems all wrong to me, WTF would you have a MIVEC engine that doesn't rev ? And if these power/torque figures are correct then this engine definately doesn't rev. I get the distinct feeling that the article is referring to a diesel engine because I just can't see mitsu making a Mivec 3.0v6 specifically for the outlander that has ridiculous torque and somehow doesn't rev.

This torque figure is achievable but not down low in the rev range, if you look at all the high torque to capacity engines like Tim-e posted up you'll notice they're all producing torque much higher in the rev range, and for this engine to be in the same league then the power figure would have to be much much much higher.

I believe this engine will be a diesel, whatever layout it ends up being because the current diesel in the pajero is being replaced in the next model with a common rail setup which will produce phenomonal torque, the current engine is around 380nm torque so expect the next one to be well over 400 and the outlanders engine to be a cheaper/detuned version.

Alternatively they just got their figures wrong and it will get a 3.0 mivec with very different stats.

Matthius

I was thinking it might be a diesel as well, which if it is the case, then it will be a turbo diesel.

Thus, the numbers that are mentioned will seem feasible.

Matthius, its not a Diesel engine. To my knowledge we are only getting a 2.4lt 4cyl then then a 3.0lt MIVEC 6cyl.

However i'd be very very surprised if it wasn't a misprint of 325nm. That sounds way more reasonable.

Hi guys,
a 3.0 Diesel produces a lot more torque than 352nm these days.

The new Toyota RAV4 is available in Europe with a 2.2 4 cyl Diesel with catalytic converter, 130kw and 400nm. Okay...that is the latest in engine technology,

My Opel Vectra with the 1.9 4cyl Alfa Diesel already produced 110kw, and 320nm.

Unfortunately the 4 cyl. Diesel engines do not have a lot of power below 1500 revs.

The MIVEC engine is a lot more expensive than a SOHC. That could be a reason, why Australia is missing out.

Regards,
marosch

My reasoning for suggesting a diesel was pure and simply why a MIVEC engine that doesn't rev/ or produce f/all power?, I can only assume it's a marketing gimmic like so many things these days.

But as far as diesels producing more than 350nm out of a 3l, not in AUS, theres only a few that I know of, there are many that claim 350 but never get within a week of it, a perfect example being the 3.0 Nissan patrol which struggles to reach 300nm - car companies excuse, our diesel isn't good enough, funny considering we get the best of what Heavy automotive/Industrial have to offer.

Matthius

Im very sure that when official specs are released for the car im Australia it won't have 352nm. Definately a misprint. Also afaik its a DOHC MIVEC, so the chances of it not revving like you say are pretty slim.

Also it'll have different pistons and different cam specs for more low end torque. Have fun getting aftermarket MIVEC cams :P

Im very sure that when official specs are released for the car im Australia it won't have 352nm. Definately a misprint. Also afaik its a DOHC MIVEC, so the chances of it not revving like you say are pretty slim.

If it's got 352 or 325 nm and only 150kw then It physically can't produce that power at high revs, it's mathematics. The 6g72 has 255nm and 140kw and it produces peak power at 5500, hardly MIVEC material. I can only assume the figures are completely wrong power and torque.

Matthius

Here is the latest on the outlander, seams it's a SOHC MIVEC (still unsure on fuel type):

Taken from GoAuto (http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/BF73E15D0D24100CCA2571550003A38C)


As we reported earlier this month when Mitsubishi revealed first pictures of its compact SUV replacement, the bigger new seven-seat Outlander will be available initially with a 127kW/230Nm 2.4-litre four-cylinder before a 152kW/352Nm 3.0-litre SOHC MIVEC V6 becomes available here in early 2007.

I shall be scavenging the wrecker yards when they come out.:badgrin: