I am in the middle of putting some twin piston calipers on my KJ verada.
I currently have the ralliart twin piston calipers,
EBC green stuff pads,
and the bigger 294mm slotted rotors(standard ralliart size)

The problem i have is that the twin piston calipers brackets are bigger than my standard size brackets.

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem when doing the change over on their magna, and hence found a solution.

Cheers,
Russell

So does it hit anything or the wholes wont line up..??

I am in the middle of putting some twin piston calipers on my KJ verada.
I currently have the ralliart twin piston calipers,
EBC green stuff pads,
and the bigger 294mm slotted rotors(standard ralliart size)

The problem i have is that the twin piston calipers brackets are bigger than my standard size brackets.

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem when doing the change over on their magna, and hence found a solution.

Cheers,
Russell

I have ralliart/AWD front calipers and 294mm discs on mine and they bolted straight up. Both the single piston caliper and the ralliart 2piston caliper have 160mm bolt spacings so they will bolt up to the front stub axle (front stubs are the same between standard magna and ralliarts) BUT you must fit the complete 2piston caliper not try and fit them to the old single piston caliper mounts

I have ralliart/AWD front calipers and 294mm discs on mine and they bolted straight up. Both the single piston caliper and the ralliart 2piston caliper have 160mm bolt spacings so they will bolt up to the front stub axle (front stubs are the same between standard magna and ralliarts) BUT you must fit the complete 2piston caliper not try and fit them to the old single piston caliper mounts


So do you need to change the Bracket for the twins or not..??
Did the AWD have the 294mm disc or just ralliart..??

So do you need to change the Bracket for the twins or not..??
Did the AWD have the 294mm disc or just ralliart..??

AWD's drive ran the same diameter discs as the ralliarts.
You must fit the complete caliper as shown in my pics, if you do that they will fit straight up to the stub axle, it took me 30mins to fit up the front brakes on my car.

AWD's drive ran the same diameter discs as the ralliarts.
You must fit the complete caliper as shown in my pics, if you do that they will fit straight up to the stub axle, it took me 30mins to fit up the front brakes on my car.


Yeah so AWD disc and calliper is same as Ralliart and will go straight on.. so its just disc and calliper, no need for differant bracket..??

The caliper bracket is in those pics...

I dont know about the third gens, but with my 2nd gen twin piston swap (they look exactly the same as those in the pics btw!) I had to change the bracket as the caliper mounted differently.

So does it hit anything or the wholes wont line up..??

wholes dont line up......
but after reading this, it may appear that i was trying to put the twin piston bracket on the single piston bracket....

I have ralliart/AWD front calipers and 294mm discs on mine and they bolted straight up. Both the single piston caliper and the ralliart 2piston caliper have 160mm bolt spacings so they will bolt up to the front stub axle (front stubs are the same between standard magna and ralliarts) BUT you must fit the complete 2piston caliper not try and fit them to the old single piston caliper mounts

you see thats what i thought, then i got the wheel and single piston off and was like "wat the f*rk?"

I think i was trying to fit the twins over the singles, not 100% sure, will have to get the wheel off again and have a look.

Yeah so AWD disc and calliper is same as Ralliart and will go straight on.. so its just disc and calliper, no need for differant bracket..??

U thinking of doing it now are you ego? haha

Yeah Ralliart is just a 294mm disc with twin piston calipers, same was introduced to the AWD set ups...

The caliper bracket is in those pics...

I dont know about the third gens, but with my 2nd gen twin piston swap (they look exactly the same as those in the pics btw!) I had to change the bracket as the caliper mounted differently.

Yes the basic 2pot caliper is similar, all the differences are in the caliper bracket. If the TE-TW guys get the complete front caliper and 294mm from a ralliart/AWD then they bolt straight up.

The 2pot calipers i sold MEH were the same "caliper" as the ralliart BUT with a different caliper bracket (1997-2003 NAS diamante) so that they fitted the standard magnas 276mm disc as per the yankie cars.

Here is a pic of the caliper bracket slid off of the actual caliper:

U thinking of doing it now are you ego? haha

Yeah Ralliart is just a 294mm disc with twin piston calipers, same was introduced to the AWD set ups...


I been wanting to do it for ages.. just havent got around to it..:P

I been wanting to do it for ages.. just havent got around to it..:P
Just stop procrastinating. The base model brakes suck big time. I've had the AWD fronts on for well over a year and they're great. Within the last week I've gone to the green stuff and slotted rotors. Now that's a dangerious improvement over the base model brakes.

If only the parts were easy to come by :(

If only the parts were easy to come by :(
Yeah, I was lucky to have come across two pairs of fronts. Haven't seen anymore though. Worst case scenario is your Mitsu dealer.

If only the parts were easy to come by :(
i got some of these brakes, were pretty easy to come by ;)

Yeah go on, rub it in :cry:

Found somewhere with a wrecked AWD.. front end impact though - waiting to hear back on the condition of the front brakes. :pray:

ok, so it now looks like i do have the ralliart pistons, i just have some random bracket.
Once i have the correct 160mm bracket everything should slide into place....

Yeah not easy to come by the old twin pistons, they must work cause u dont find many AWD/Ralliarts in the smash shops lol

so does anyone knwo if the twin piston FTO mivec V6 twin piston calipers would fit????
anyone been game enough to try?? or should i have a crack at it next weekend????? got heaps of fto twin pots kicking round at work,

Yes the basic 2pot caliper is similar, all the differences are in the caliper bracket. If the TE-TW guys get the complete front caliper and 294mm from a ralliart/AWD then they bolt straight up.

The 2pot calipers i sold MEH were the same "caliper" as the ralliart BUT with a different caliper bracket (1997-2003 NAS diamante) so that they fitted the standard magnas 276mm disc as per the yankie cars.

Here is a pic of the caliper bracket slid off of the actual caliper:

Yeah thats exactly what I was getting at. I had to change the whole lot, not just the caliper part. The bracket had to swap as well :) Cheers for the pics...I swear they're exactly the same as my twin pistons!!

Just stop procrastinating. The base model brakes suck big time. I've had the AWD fronts on for well over a year and they're great. Within the last week I've gone to the green stuff and slotted rotors. Now that's a dangerious improvement over the base model brakes.

Thats what i want to do.. green stuff and slotted..:)

So it is a massive upgrade..??

Is there anything you can do for the rears..??????

Thats what i want to do.. green stuff and slotted..:)

So it is a massive upgrade..??

Is there anything you can do for the rears..??????

Yeah i have fitted the 284mm vented AWD rear rotors and calipers onto my TH. I had to make up a 3.7mm spacer that goes over the hub flange but behind the rotor, this is done to centralise the disc in the caliper.

Attached are pics of the spacers i made:

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Yeah i have fitted the 284mm vented AWD rear rotors and calipers onto my TH. I had to make up a 3.7mm spacer that goes over the hub flange but behind the rotor, this is done to centralise the disc in the caliper.

Can i fit those rotors on my TJ too.??

If I got upgraded front brakes for the Ralliart (Slotted) could I put the front brakes from the Ralliart onto the back?

If I got upgraded front brakes for the Ralliart (Slotted) could I put the front brakes from the Ralliart onto the back?


Dont think so.. Disc is differant due to hand brake..:)

Thats what i want to do.. green stuff and slotted..:)

So it is a massive upgrade..??

Is there anything you can do for the rears..??????

Ill let you in on a secret my friend, i got the green stuff pads and the AWD/ralliart 294mm slotted rotors down in our area new pretty cheap....
send us a msg.

Can i fit those rotors on my TJ too.??

Yes, if you make spacers like mine you can fit the AWD rear setup like me.

This thread is top notch. :cool:

Thanks for your input, Jason, it's invaluable info from someone who has done it and figured out how to make it work. :thumbsup:

Can we sticky this?

This thread is top notch. :cool:

Thanks for your input, Jason, it's invaluable info from someone who has done it and figured out how to make it work. :thumbsup:

Can we sticky this?

No probs :D

Jason, worked out that my calipers are indeed ralliart not 2nd gen verada/pajero like you thought.
The problem with the pic i sent u is that the brackets were off a TH, hence why they didnt go on.
Problem now solved, just need to get the proper TJ ralliart/Awd brackets and everything sorted....

Jason, worked out that my calipers are indeed ralliart not 2nd gen verada/pajero like you thought.


I never thought they came off a 2ND gen.. ive been told be a trusty AMC sponsor that pajero ones will fit, same as ralliart.. Ive done some research and nothing..:nuts:

I never thought they came off a 2ND gen.. ive been told be a trusty AMC sponsor that pajero ones will fit, same as ralliart.. Ive done some research and nothing..:nuts:

wrong jason mate, was talking to jason's vrx.... has been speaking with me on msn.

Sorry to boost ur EGO there for a second

Thats what i want to do.. green stuff and slotted..:)

So it is a massive upgrade..??

Is there anything you can do for the rears..??????
It's a noticeable upgrade. I've locked up the fronts two or three times without trying when braking firmly.

As for the components, you can get black stuff pads and RDA rotors. I don't know how black stuff goes with DBA but if the green stuff is anything to go buy, it's not a good idea.

RPW has a large range of the twin piston calipers ovehauled ready to fit for both standard and the 294mm rotors in stock at all times.

And we just finished the rear conversion kit for the magna which doesn't require any mods to go to the 284mm rear package, no spacer plates or anything

RPW has a large range of the twin piston calipers ovehauled ready to fit for both standard and the 294mm rotors in stock at all times.

And we just finished the rear conversion kit for the magna which doesn't require any mods to go to the 284mm rear package, no spacer plates or anything


Whats the calipers gunna cost me dave for front and rear..???

And we just finished the rear conversion kit for the magna which doesn't require any mods to go to the 284mm rear package, no spacer plates or anything
Where did the rear calipers come from? I know as Jason pointed out that the AWD rear's don't fit without without a spacer.

And we just finished the rear conversion kit for the magna which doesn't require any mods to go to the 284mm rear package, no spacer plates or anything

How much you guys charging for the rear setup, i assume this is just the bigger rotor with the stock single caliper??

How much you guys charging for the rear setup, i assume this is just the bigger rotor with the stock single caliper??

Spoke to dave today..

Bigger rotor and pads and caliper upgrade was around the $1,100 mark..:shock:

Skoke to dave today..

Bigger rotor and pads and caliper upgrade was around the $1,100 mark..:shock:

so the bigger 280mm rotor im guessing plain disc not slotted, with pads (which ones?green stuff) and caliper upgrade. upgrade to twin?

so the bigger 280mm rotor im guessing plain disc not slotted, with pads (which ones?green stuff) and caliper upgrade. upgrade to twin?


Ask Dave.. He will give you specs..:D

Ask Dave.. He will give you specs..:D

Too much effort, dont really need to do rears, im not running a track car here.
Twins on the front should be sufficient, dont need to spend the extra 1000 on the rears, im not clearing 200km/h down the main streets of cronulla....

im not clearing 200km/h down the main streets of cronulla....

Ypu looked like you where close last time i seen you..:P

Bloody "P" platers..:P

Ypu looked like you where close last time i seen you..:P

Bloody "P" platers..:P

P platers... haha yeah their idiots.
*Im full licence by the way

my cars never been over 110, and that was on the highway :D

P platers... haha yeah their idiots.
*Im full licence by the way
what Now..:P


my cars never been over 110, and that was on the highway :D

What DBs....:P

Hahahahahha

the other day u were saying my car was over 110DB now ur joking that i havent, u gotta make up your mind mate. My car hasnt been over 110DB or KM/H :cool:

The calipers are a single piston caliper, rotors aer slotted and come with EBC black stuff pads.

I am still finalising pricing - the rotors are damn expensive and trying to find a cheaper source of them.

The kits come of course as an overhauled caliper with new seal kit and painted your choice of colour.

No these are not from an AWD vehicle and as such, do not require any modifications at all. BUt thats all I am going to tell on them - took me four sets of calipers to buy in before we found the right ones that fit up properly.:D

The calipers are a single piston caliper, rotors aer slotted and come with EBC black stuff pads.

I am still finalising pricing - the rotors are damn expensive and trying to find a cheaper source of them.

The kits come of course as an overhauled caliper with new seal kit and painted your choice of colour.

No these are not from an AWD vehicle and as such, do not require any modifications at all. BUt thats all I am going to tell on them - took me four sets of calipers to buy in before we found the right ones that fit up properly.:D

no worries, sounds pretty good. make sure to post up when you know pricing. I know rear slotted would look hot thats for sure. Whether id really use them is a different story...

The calipers are a single piston caliper, rotors aer slotted and come with EBC black stuff pads.

I am still finalising pricing - the rotors are damn expensive and trying to find a cheaper source of them.

The kits come of course as an overhauled caliper with new seal kit and painted your choice of colour.

No these are not from an AWD vehicle and as such, do not require any modifications at all. BUt thats all I am going to tell on them - took me four sets of calipers to buy in before we found the right ones that fit up properly.:D

My whole AWD front and rear brake setup (included new standard AWD rotors and the calipers) cost me $450. :D :D

Oh and i got quoted for DBA 4000series slotted rotors; part numbers Fronts 4417 and Rears 4429 for $340pr fronts and $285pr rears, that seem a good price??

Too much effort, dont really need to do rears, im not running a track car here.
Twins on the front should be sufficient, dont need to spend the extra 1000 on the rears, im not clearing 200km/h down the main streets of cronulla....
Besides, upgrading the rears is mostely for cosmetics.


Oh and i got quoted for DBA 4000series slotted rotors; part numbers Fronts 4417 and Rears 4429 for $340pr fronts and $285pr rears, that seem a good price??
I'd be careful with DBA rotors. They will be destroyed with green stuff pads which makes me wonder if they are tough enough to survive black stuff. I'm not sure, you'd have to ask them.

I'd be careful with DBA rotors. They will be destroyed with green stuff pads which makes me wonder if they are tough enough to survive black stuff. I'm not sure, you'd have to ask them.

Just a hint people who's cars have ABS/EBD would be keen to know that there rear brakes do work a bit harder than cars without it, due to it adjusting brake bias more to the rear when more weight is add into the rear of the car.

When i had standard sized rotors i used the standard DBA slotted rotor (the 4000series wernt out then) and EBC red stuff pads on the track and the rotors handle them fairly well.

The 4000 series are meant to be better than the standard series of dba rotors.

Just a hint people who's cars have ABS/EBD would be keen to know that there rear brakes do work a bit harder than cars without it, due to it adjusting brake bias more to the rear when more weight is add into the rear of the car.
Yeah, that's true.


When i had standard sized rotors i used the standard DBA slotted rotor (the 4000series wernt out then) and EBC red stuff pads on the track and the rotors handle them fairly well.

The 4000 series are meant to be better than the standard series of dba rotors.
Interesting. I suspect it's the Gold one's that die, mind you, I don't know their product range very well.

I love these brake topics :D

Although I realise that this relates to a third gen I will tell you what is what with these brakes as I have fitted to both seriws.

The caliper itself, not the bracket, is the same from ABS second Gen to Ralliart. Run the same pad and the same seal kit.

The bracket is the difference, as stated the third gen runs bolt spacings of around 160mm, the second gen from memory is around 145mm

It is strange that you got calipers with single piston brackets as the calipers will not slide onto the single piston bracket.

Another hint, use RUBBER grease on the pins and make sure you use a tension wrench to tighten the sliders up or they will be near impossible to take off afterwards.

I love these brake topics :D

Although I realise that this relates to a third gen I will tell you what is what with these brakes as I have fitted to both seriws.

The caliper itself, not the bracket, is the same from ABS second Gen to Ralliart. Run the same pad and the same seal kit.

The bracket is the difference, as stated the third gen runs bolt spacings of around 160mm, the second gen from memory is around 145mm

It is strange that you got calipers with single piston brackets as the calipers will not slide onto the single piston bracket.
Another hint, use RUBBER grease on the pins and make sure you use a tension wrench to tighten the sliders up or they will be near impossible to take off afterwards.


You have said what ive been trying to get others to understand for a long time. :D

When i was in R&D i had the 1997-2003 NAS diamante 2spot caliper (fits 276mm disc), the ralliart 2spot caliper (fits 294mm disc) and the standard 1piston caliper (fits 276mm disc), plus the EVO6 4piston brembos (fits 320mm disc) to compare.
The only difference between the NAS caliper and the rallliart caliper was the caliper bracket on the ralliart mounts the actual caliper 9mm further out from the centre of the hub, so the 294mm disc could be fitted, actual caliper body is identical.

Sorry about all the above detail but i hope it will help people understand the issue abit more clearly. :P

The 2spot calipers i sold MEH were from a 2001 diamante which use the 276mm disc, he has fitted them up with no issues, that makes him the 5th person (i have no more pairs of these calipers left in my shed :cry:) that i have helped with this setup.

The 2spot calipers i sold MEH were from a 2001 diamante

just wat i needed to know :D need to get some new pads so i can put in my slotted rotors

just wat i needed to know :D need to get some new pads so i can put in my slotted rotors

Should be the same pads as what the ralliart/AWD use (being esentially the same caliper), but confirm this before purchase:P

just wat i needed to know :D need to get some new pads so i can put in my slotted rotors

The pad is a 1223 pad the same as ralliart/AWD, pajero, vr4 galant, evo lancer RS (small braked evo not the brembo version).

I finally have some pics for you all. heres the new setup:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/VRADA/rotorsandcalipers.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h28/VRADA/wheelwithnewbrakes.jpg

Cheers,
Russell

Yes the basic 2pot caliper is similar, all the differences are in the caliper bracket. If the TE-TW guys get the complete front caliper and 294mm from a ralliart/AWD then they bolt straight up.

The 2pot calipers i sold MEH were the same "caliper" as the ralliart BUT with a different caliper bracket (1997-2003 NAS diamante) so that they fitted the standard magnas 276mm disc as per the yankie cars.

Here is a pic of the caliper bracket slid off of the actual caliper:

Jason and All,

If anyone remembers I bought some twin-potters while I was in the US.
Supposedly for a 2000 Diamante (essentially a KJ) with 276mm rotors.

The mounting bracket on my US caliper has mounting bolts that are 130mm apart, not the 160mm of our 3rd gens.

Does anyone know if I could use the bracket shown in Jason's pic above to make them fit. i.e. use the bracket from my single potter on the twin-potter.
I never actually checked if I could use the SLID bracket off my current single potters. hmm

Thoughts?

If onyone currently has a caliper off their car, can they please measure the two distances shown in red in the following pic. (distance 2. is what I really need)
I still hope I can make these fit.

Thanks,

-Dan

Does anyone know if I could use the bracket shown in Jason's pic above to make them fit. i.e. use the bracket from my single potter on the twin-potter.
I never actually checked if I could use the SLID bracket off my current single potters. hmm
Dan, I'd imagine so. I mean, Jason flicked a set of what I thought were the same calipers to Meh and they're on his car after swapping brackets.

Jason and All,

If anyone remembers I bought some twin-potters while I was in the US.
Supposedly for a 2000 Diamante (essentially a KJ) with 276mm rotors.

The mounting bracket on my US caliper has mounting bolts that are 130mm apart, not the 160mm of our 3rd gens.

Does anyone know if I could use the bracket shown in Jason's pic above to make them fit. i.e. use the bracket from my single potter on the twin-potter.
I never actually checked if I could use the SLID bracket off my current single potters. hmm

Thoughts?

If onyone currently has a caliper off their car, can they please measure the two distances shown in red in the following pic. (distance 2. is what I really need)
I still hope I can make these fit.

Thanks,

-Dan

Dan, those calipers you got from the USA definately arnt 1997-2003 diamante calipers. The complete calipers i sold MEH were from a 2001 aussie built NAS diamante (same calipers were used from the aussie built "AE" 1997 model NAS to 2003 "AP" model) and they bolted straight up to his car with the 276mm discs with no issues at.

That picture of mine that you have used above is actually a pic of 1 of the NAS calipers i sold MEH last year.
The slide bolts on the single piston caliper are of a different design to the 2pot calipers and the actual physical shape of the single piston caliper body and bracket is different to that of the single piston caliper.

When i go back to where my magna is garaged on saturday ill will take pics of my 2pot calipers and the original magna single piston calipers AND i will even unbolt 1 of my 2pot calipers and see if the caliper body will fit the single piston bracket and all bolt up to a 276mm caliper.
Hopefully by doing this we will be able to finally solve all the above issues and questions. :)

Dan, I'd imagine so. I mean, Jason flicked a set of what I thought were the same calipers to Meh and they're on his car after swapping brackets.

Blake fitted the calipers i sold him as a complete caliper AS they were fitted to the NAS diamante. The caliper brackets had the correct 160mm bolt spacings. :D

When i go back to where my magna is garaged on saturday ill will take pics of my 2pot calipers and the original magna single piston calipers AND i will even unbolt 1 of my 2pot calipers and see if the caliper body will fit the single piston bracket and all bolt up to a 276mm caliper.
Hopefully by doing this we will be able to finally solve all the above issues and questions. :)

Geez - thanks mate, you're going to huge effort there mate.
I really appreicate it.

(if you really can't be stuffed, don't worry. When I bought them I knew there was a big risk they wouldn't fit. They don't. I'm still glad I bought them otherwise I'd still be wondering about it.)

-Dan

Just an update on fto calipers i just grabbed one off a mivec half cut and will try it on a 3rd gen this weekend and let ya's know how successful it is,

just measured the caliper bolt holes and there 130mm on the bracket and 190mm from slide pin to slide pin, so doubt they will match up but still i'll give it a crack,