After reading a few threads about certain profile tyres on a 17x7" rim (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17070 in particular), I've become a little worried as to how serious my problem is. I have 235/45/17s on a 17x7" rim, and although it is apparently illegal, it seems a fair few of us are offenders. The tyre bulges out from the rim slightly, although in no way does it look ridiculous or visibly unsafe.

The vrx comes with 225/50/17s, so my question is - if you have (or had) 17x7s, what profile tyre did you run, 225/50 or 235/45? Secondly, is it enough to cause concern?

Thanks folks...

You can definitely have issues with insurance if your wheel size is illegal, ie, your insurance company can refuse to pay-out in the event of an accident if your car isn't street legal or if you have mods that they don't know about.

Read the fine print on your insurance policy - and you might be suprised by what it says ;-)

Cheers,
Martin.

if you are worried about insurance, then only get the 225/50, as according to the australian guidelines, 225 is the widest tyre you can fit to a 7" rim.

Had 235/45s for 6 months, they've got a ton of life left in them so unless it's really serious I can't justify changing them. If worse comes to worse it'll make for a healthy burnout :D

well 225/50 are quite expensive bcoz they are not popular size and not many brands with 'em. 235/45 u can get lots of brand and u can really choose a cheap with good brand too:badgrin: havnt tried 235 yet been always hav 225 and federal tyres my ralliart wore for 180$ each

federal tyres my ralliart wore for 180$ each
Falken have a good, honest tyre in that size for $175 so you dont need to put el-cheapos on.

Remember the load rates too! My TE LR is 95 which narrows the tyre selection from dozens to - nuffin much... (for my 17*7).
What Falken model and LR r u refering to?


Falken have a good, honest tyre in that size for $175 so you dont need to put el-cheapos on.

i was in the same boat a couple of months ago, i chose the 225/50 because two (of the five rims) that came with that sized tyre, and that was also the one recommended.

If looks are more of a concern, i would choose the 235/45 because even though its a small difference, it looks like there is a whole lot less tyre, and looks mad.

As stated before, the cost of 225/50 is generally more expensive coz of the rarity. Looking at Bridgestone Potenza GIII's, i got a quote for $275 for the 225/50 and quoted $239 for the 235/45 by the same bloke on the same day (however, next day i called and i got the 225/50 for $235 each). Just something to take into consideration.

Remember the load rates too! My TE LR is 95 which narrows the tyre selection from dozens to - nuffin much... (for my 17*7).
What Falken model and LR r u refering to?

225/50R17 ZE329, not a uni directional tread but seem fairly decent. Can post a pic of the tread in the next couple of days if you want. Got them for $175 each from Bob Jane Hornsby.

They were also the cheapest quote for Pontenza G3s in 225/50/R17 coming in at $225 each.

Load rating is 94, speed V, which is what the manual states for the TJ2

Aight it looks like its half and half... is anyone running the 235s concerned regarding a defect/not getting an insurance payout?

94 on TJ2 - lucky u....! Makes the available range so much larger.

Yep, send/post a pic of the tyre tread, tnx. I've used the A 326 before and it was quite ok.
I have 235/45 Toyo TPGs now, but considering reverting to 225s next (for the "legal" reasons).


225/50R17 ZE329, not a uni directional tread but seem fairly decent. Can post a pic of the tread in the next couple of days if you want. Got them for $175 each from Bob Jane Hornsby.

They were also the cheapest quote for Pontenza G3s in 225/50/R17 coming in at $225 each.

Load rating is 94, speed V, which is what the manual states for the TJ2

I'm very interested in this .i.e what wheels I can legally fit to my vehicle (newly purchased :D )TF advance so rang my insurance company and they would insure it with 17" - but as long as it was roadworthy - this responsibilty falls on my shoulders... So rang Vic Roads and ask what the rules are for adding aftermarket wheels to a vehicle and also if 235/45/17 would be illegal in a 7" wide wheels. The person that I spoke with said that they are not really concerned with the tyre width vs the rim width, but with how far out it 'falls' out side of the largest OEM equipment that was available for that model & series. These guidelines are:
1. no more than 1" greater diameter that the largest OEM wheel (model & series)
&
2. no more than 15mm wider tyre foot print.

This is the only research I have done into this so far...

so does anyone know what the largest wheels that you could buy with a 98 advance from the mistu dealership?
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Ignore everything that I have posted above - think you all have (thanks :D), rang Vic Roads again and got just about word for word what is posted in the AMC magna wiki

http://www.wermspowke.net/wiki/index.php/Wheels

After reading a few threads about certain profile tyres on a 17x7" rim (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17070 in particular), I've become a little worried as to how serious my problem is. I have 235/45/17s on a 17x7" rim, and although it is apparently illegal, it seems a fair few of us are offenders. The tyre bulges out from the rim slightly, although in no way does it look ridiculous or visibly unsafe.

The vrx comes with 225/50/17s, so my question is - if you have (or had) 17x7s, what profile tyre did you run, 225/50 or 235/45? Secondly, is it enough to cause concern?

Thanks folks...

Replacing $500 - $600 worth of tyres.. or Replacing $15k for your car on the chance the insurance company doesnt pay you out..

hmm tough choice...

Replace the tyres and sell your (new) old tyres to someone who needs 17x8's...

225/50/R17 for 17x7
235/45/R17 for 17x8
I have 17x8 rims and run 235/45 and the load rating is EXACTLY what i need (94H), they're KUMHO's ($145 a tyre). You will defineatly have troubles with insurance if you have 235/45 on a 7 inch wide rim.

Replacing $500 - $600 worth of tyres.. or Replacing $15k for your car on the chance the insurance company doesnt pay you out..

hmm tough choice...

Replace the tyres and sell your (new) old tyres to someone who needs 17x8's...

Spoke to 3 tyre shops and got the same answer from all of them (however they were all the yobbo type). They said dont worry about the width its the load rating.. however virtually every single van driving around is running passenger tyres instead of light truck etc, and at the end of the day the tyre shop is responsible for making sure the car is legal, ie tempe tyres. The chances of crashing and then having them prove that the only cause of the crash was the tyres and THEN not getting anything from Tempe tyres is so minute I'm willing to risk it.

Apparently I'd get less than 100 bucks a tyre too so I can't justify selling them. Last fella suggested letting the front wheels "slip" a little bit here and there and rotate tyres often to wear them out quicker which sounded like an alright idea to me.

Replacing $500 - $600 worth of tyres.. or Replacing $15k for your car on the chance the insurance company doesnt pay you out..

hmm tough choice...

Replace the tyres and sell your (new) old tyres to someone who needs 17x8's...

bain dont forget to mention serious safety issues with using incorrect tyres. engineers have factored in things like safety and australian conditions, the law is there for a reason. it could cost you a lot more than money.

why people risk their own life and those around them over a few $$$ beyond belief.

bain dont forget to mention serious safety issues with using incorrect tyres. engineers have factored in things like safety and australian conditions, the law is there for a reason. it could cost you a lot more than money.

why people risk their own life and those around them over a few $$$ beyond belief.

They all agreed Mitsu load ratings are also overkill. When I did a defensive driving course I had a boot full of junk and 5 people, taking hairpins at 70ks and the car outperformed everything else there including a brand new Accord Euro. Its a 20 kilo difference in load ratings, you could argue running superlows with stock shocks would be far worse. As for risking others lives, this would not contribute if driving in a regular safe manner, and without sounding biased I'd consider myself a hell of a lot safer driver in my car than tons of mates that drive simply dangerously in less capable cars. Regarding my own life I honestly don't value it much, so it's of little concern.

For those with Load Rate of 95 - I finally found a tyre for us (17*7) out of hundreds of tyres!
Hankook K-104 225/50/17/ 98
Totally legal in all aspects and apparently very good, soft tyre with plenty of grip - and obviously not extremely long life (30+ G?) but that's a preference matter. I prefer good grip tyre to bad tyre with longer life.
Now I just need to burn the cpra out of the current 235 Toyos....:)
Forgot - 220 bux, fitted in LPool Jax (Syd)

Spoke to 3 tyre shops and got the same answer from all of them (however they were all the yobbo type). They said dont worry about the width its the load rating.. however virtually every single van driving around is running passenger tyres instead of light truck etc, and at the end of the day the tyre shop is responsible for making sure the car is legal, ie tempe tyres. The chances of crashing and then having them prove that the only cause of the crash was the tyres and THEN not getting anything from Tempe tyres is so minute I'm willing to risk it.

Apparently I'd get less than 100 bucks a tyre too so I can't justify selling them. Last fella suggested letting the front wheels "slip" a little bit here and there and rotate tyres often to wear them out quicker which sounded like an alright idea to me.

2 wrongs dont make a right.

As to whether they are the cause of the accident. You best go read your Insurance policy.

If they find anything on the car which makes it NON Roadworthy or ADR Compliant your insurance is void.

As for tyre places having the responsibility. Have you got it in writing that they said its ok for your car? Im guessing no. So they can plead innocent and say you wanted those tyres on your car.. Your word against theres..

Anyhow, ive given my advice. Take it or leave it, i dont really care what you do with it.


For those with Load Rate of 95 - I finally found a tyre for us (17*7) out of hundreds of tyres!
Hankook K-104 225/50/17/ 98
Totally legal in all aspects and apparently very good, soft tyre with plenty of grip - and obviously not extremely long life (30+ G?) but that's a preference matter. I prefer good grip tyre to bad tyre with longer life.
Now I just need to burn the cpra out of the current 235 Toyos....:)

THe Hankooks are a bloody noisy tyre.. I have the 104's on my car..

Noisier than my XForce...?:)
Can u give me a comparison to other tyres? I have used Falken A326 (?) and Toyo TPGs and they are bit noisy.
RE 92 is silent as....:doubt:


THe Hankooks are a bloody noisy tyre.. I have the 104's on my car..

Noisier than my XForce...?:)
Can u give me a comparison to other tyres? I have used Falken A326 (?) and Toyo TPGs and they are bit noisy.
RE 92 is silent as....:doubt:

Only tyres i have had to compare to are Dunlop 3000's (fairly quiet),

Goodyear Eagle GS D3 (cant hear these at all)

Grid II's (original VRX tyres) - Quietish..

Hankook - Noisy and whiny... I can hear these tyres over my exhaust, which isnt all the loud though.

Id hate to be driving on Nankangs or any other cheap ****ty tyre..

Ok, thanx. That gives me some idea. Prob is - there isn't many, if any other 100% legal tyres for me and other LR 95 sufferers.... Soo, what can I do.
Unless I buy Continental Sport 2, 420 bux each....!!!!!
Well - I could go to lesser width, 215, there are some more.


Only tyres i have had to compare to are Dunlop 3000's (fairly quiet),

Goodyear Eagle GS D3 (cant hear these at all)

Grid II's (original VRX tyres) - Quietish..

Hankook - Noisy and whiny... I can hear these tyres over my exhaust, which isnt all the loud though.

Id hate to be driving on Nankangs or any other cheap ****ty tyre..

They all agreed Mitsu load ratings are also overkill. When I did a defensive driving course I had a boot full of junk and 5 people, taking hairpins at 70ks and the car outperformed everything else there including a brand new Accord Euro. Its a 20 kilo difference in load ratings, you could argue running superlows with stock shocks would be far worse. As for risking others lives, this would not contribute if driving in a regular safe manner, and without sounding biased I'd consider myself a hell of a lot safer driver in my car than tons of mates that drive simply dangerously in less capable cars. Regarding my own life I honestly don't value it much, so it's of little concern.

Note to self... Avoid you on the roads...... :doubt:

They all agreed Mitsu load ratings are also overkill. When I did a defensive driving course I had a boot full of junk and 5 people, taking hairpins at 70ks and the car outperformed everything else there including a brand new Accord Euro. Its a 20 kilo difference in load ratings, you could argue running superlows with stock shocks would be far worse. As for risking others lives, this would not contribute if driving in a regular safe manner, and without sounding biased I'd consider myself a hell of a lot safer driver in my car than tons of mates that drive simply dangerously in less capable cars. Regarding my own life I honestly don't value it much, so it's of little concern.

look mate you asked for concerns u got them.


I have 235/45/17s on a 17x7" rim, and although it is apparently illegal, it seems a fair few of us are offenders.

u admit what UR doing is ILLEGAL drive on a public road u must obey the laws.


Regarding my own life I honestly don't value it much, so it's of little concern.

I rest my case.

Ok, thanx. That gives me some idea. Prob is - there isn't many, if any other 100% legal tyres for me and other LR 95 sufferers.... Soo, what can I do.
Unless I buy Continental Sport 2, 420 bux each....!!!!!
Well - I could go to lesser width, 215, there are some more.

The Hankooks might be fine Killer.. Im pretty fussy on my tire choice though. Next set will be back to the Goodyear Eagle GS D3's.. or equivalent when i wear these ones out.

Note to self... Avoid you on the roads...... :doubt:

Please read the sentence above it, that applies only for me. Don't get me wrong, if I killed someone on the roads due to my negligence I couldn't live with myself - it'd eat me from the inside out. My comment applies only to my own life.


u admit what UR doing is ILLEGAL drive on a public road u must obey the laws.

A lot of stuff on the roads is illegal, I'm sure I could probably find a defect on your car if I tried hard enough. 1kph over the limit is illegal, wheels not coming to a complete halt at a stop sign even if you can clearly see is illegal, I was simply trying to gauge the seriousness of the issue. From the poll, it appears roughly half of us are offenders.


I rest my case.

Read what I said above regarding others lives. I'm more concerned about the insurance after what Bain has said.

Don't take offence to any of this, just tryin to clear things up.

Tnx :D


The Hankooks might be fine Killer.. Im pretty fussy on my tire choice though. Next set will be back to the Goodyear Eagle GS D3's.. or equivalent when i wear these ones out.

A lot of stuff on the roads is illegal, I'm sure I could probably find a defect on your car if I tried hard enough. 1kph over the limit is illegal, wheels not coming to a complete halt at a stop sign even if you can clearly see is illegal, I was simply trying to gauge the seriousness of the issue. From the poll, it appears roughly half of us are offenders.


It also appears that rougly half of those voted are complete idiots or dont actually have a clue what the tyre profiles mean, nor the effects of having that type of tyre on 7" rims..

I just got a price for 4 Forenza (I think?) jap silica tyres in 225/50/R17 for $170 each.

Not much around in the 225/50/R17 size which is a bit of a pain. Whilst I've been calling around the tyre shops I asked about the 235 thing, 235/45/17 is far more common, but there was a mixed opinion on putting them on a 7" rim.

So I'd go 225, thats what I'm doing :D

Yo KB, what load rate is that rubber?

Cuppla tyre guys said to me that "nobody looks in to those load rates or 235 to 7" issues yaadayaada". Yeah, is he gonna pay for the damage when my insurance inspector laughs, turns around, walks away and voids my claim, eh! Sure!!:cool:

Also, if hundred billion flies eat sheet - does it mean they are correct? The fact that most ppl ignore rules and laws does not make it right. Whether we like it or not. Stick to rules and stay outta truble - or at least try.:)



I just got a price for 4 Forenza (I think?) jap silica tyres in 225/50/R17 for $170 each.

Not much around in the 225/50/R17 size which is a bit of a pain. Whilst I've been calling around the tyre shops I asked about the 235 thing, 235/45/17 is far more common, but there was a mixed opinion on putting them on a 7" rim.

So I'd go 225, thats what I'm doing :D

It also appears that rougly half of those voted are complete idiots or dont actually have a clue what the tyre profiles mean, nor the effects of having that type of tyre on 7" rims..

I'm not tryin to argue, but does it matter if they know what the effects are? Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. You can't murder someone and then tell the police you were unaware that was illegal since you had never actually read the law stating it is a crime.

Is it legal to put 235/45/R17s on a 17 x 7.5 rim?

Is it legal to put 235/45/R17s on a 17 x 7.5 rim?

Yes



to the owner of the Thread...
get 225/45/17's
most common size tyres for 17's, and there legal for a 7" rim.
dont pay any more than $200 per corner thou mate, do your homework on the tyres people are suggesting, then do a drive around to a few shops, once you mention you've got other quotes, prices will drop noticeably.

Yes



to the owner of the Thread...
get 225/45/17's
most common size tyres for 17's, and there legal for a 7" rim.
dont pay any more than $200 per corner thou mate, do your homework on the tyres people are suggesting, then do a drive around to a few shops, once you mention you've got other quotes, prices will drop noticeably.
Yep. Get the 225/45's. I have these on my 380 VRX rims and they look great and work well. They have a load rating of 94 though and my TF has a 95 load rating... I did get around that!