Some of you will already be familiar with the Mitsubishi Grunder (what a name!!!lol).

Get a load of the interior, bloody sh!ts on our 380. Although the front end, styled by you-know-who, leaves little to be desired:sick: . Interesting rear end too.
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That interior is an example of what a modern car should be, as well as its features. You've got fully automated bluetooth (controlled via multi-function display centre inc full ph no lists etc), reverse park camera, 8 airbags, fully computerised LED dials, the list goes on.

I know that in terms of product development it has no relation to 380 whatsoever, but I must say it provides MMAL with some good, wholesome food for thought...;)


Edit: just realised when I searched "Grunder" I must have mispelled it (typo), therefore I didn't know there's already been a thread on it. Sorry!:redface:

that inerior looks very honda.... fix the front grill and all would be good.

Hey ol'fart, this would be a good car for pooky! it has reverse sensors on the front bumper! lol

Australia never gets interiors as up to date as that. We always get the **** stuff that's left over.

It's a joke...no wonder people import cars, manufacturers need to wake up to this.

rear end - VX commdore x New camry

mhmm why is it we always get the dregs.....

take for 1 our 2nd gen magnas, have a look what the got in the US compared to us!!

now THATS a friggin nice interior!
If the 380 had that interior i'd buy one for sure (if i was in the market for a new car that is).
But as KB and TuffTR said, it's the usual downgrading that us aussies get and its no wonder local manufacturers are losing out to imports.
I actually dont mind the exterior that much, the rear lights look nicer than the 380's and the front end looks alot nicer than the TL, flows much better than the magna front end did.
That is one sexy car, and no doubt probably has 3.8L DOHC mivec or some sh!t just to rub it in our faces even more :(.

Apart from the front clamshell it looks good. The interior is particularly nice.

That interior makes our latest stuff look so.. povo

it looks like it will be the high-end market over there, so i'm not surprised it looks so much better, whereas the 380 is trying to stay as cheap as possible to compete.

although, now someone has done the work to make it look so schmik, hopefully those parts start to trickle down to our models :D

Holy ****, That has to be the nicest Mitsubishi interior ever. If they could make our 380 share some of the looks and features included in this sedan Mitsubishi Australia wouldn't have to worry about their future.

If we kept our front end (of the 380) and put it on the Grunder we'd have one perfect looking product.

OMG.. it also has a five-star-safety-rating (expected considering it has 8 airbags!) and one question....

Will this model be exported to the US as the replacement for the Diamante???

If you have the time look at this PDF document (produced by MMC):

http://www.30888.com.tw/download/images/file/Grunder%B9q%A4l%AB%AC%BF%FD.pdf

yeh, most of the interiors in cars in taiwan poop all over the aust ones...even the luxury ones.

for example, a camry over there u can get satellite, dvd player, headrest monitors, rear window curtains, parking sensors, leather, sunroof, fridge, etc etc

u can probably only get these kind of features on a lexus in aust.

i love tha galants over there too..whenver i need to get a taxi i always choose the sexy ones:p galants or lancer evo look-alikes with like 6 lcd screens in them lol.

I'm so disappointed in aussie cars right now!

doubt theyd send that to the US as a Diamante, seeing its basically the same as the Galant they have now

Personally I think the front end is hideous. However I think the rear end is better.

Interior looks more upscale too.

If Mitsu Aus could build the 380 with the front end it has now, with the rear of the Grunder plus the dashboard and with 8 airbags, it would be a hit with me. :D

perhaps if they make a "240" they could use the front end of the Grunder and the rear of the 380. Because the 4 cylinder car should be more ugly.:badgrin:

This has all the things a modern vehicle should have: HID projector lights, integrated blinkers in the mirrors, integrated aerial, well deisgned interior with MFD ample steering wheels controls, steering wheel control of the auto box, reverse camera, multiple airbags including curtain, 5 star safety rating. Just remove the ugly and it would be a winner.

This has all the things a modern vehicle should have: HID projector lights, integrated blinkers in the mirrors, integrated aerial, well deisgned interior with MFD ample steering wheels controls, steering wheel control of the auto box, reverse camera, multiple airbags including curtain, 5 star safety rating. Just remove the ugly and it would be a winner.

If they could atleast have this kind of kit available an options on the 380 they'd have a winner.

The GT (if priced at $47,990) could have:
-LED Taillights
-HID Headlights
-Reverse Camera
-8 Airbags (inc. Curtain)
-Integrated (sharks-tail=excellent reception) antenna

The blinkers on the mirrors should be on all models and other things an option, just add more kit the further you go up the model ranking. They could have that awsome Verada like dash in the 380GT/LX models as standard (it's already in this car).

Basically, keep the current 380's exterior looks, add the HID headlights and LED taillights and shark-tail antenna on upper spec models. Use the Galant Grunders interior or make the 380's interior a bit more like it and MMAL would have the perfect car. Put the new 6-speed auto in it on the MIVEC V6 model (380) and the five-speed auto on the 2.4 MIVEC (240); HOT HOT HOT.

What pisses me off about MMAL (it's probably Japan head-quarters fault) is that they have these types of things available to them which are put on other cars. Take advantage of globilisation and put these things on the 380.

If they could atleast have this kind of kit available an options on the 380 they'd have a winner.

The GT (if priced at $47,990) could have:
-LED Taillights
-HID Headlights
-Reverse Camera
-8 Airbags (inc. Curtain)
-Integrated (sharks-tail=excellent reception) antenna

The blinkers on the mirrors should be on all models and other things an option, just add more kit the further you go up the model ranking. They could have that awsome Verada like dash in the 380GT/LX models as standard (it's already in this car).

Basically, keep the current 380's exterior looks, add the HID headlights and LED taillights and shark-tail antenna on upper spec models. Use the Galant Grunders interior or make the 380's interior a bit more like it and MMAL would have the perfect car. Put the new 6-speed auto in it on the MIVEC V6 model (380) and the five-speed auto on the 2.4 MIVEC (240); HOT HOT HOT.

What pisses me off about MMAL (it's probably Japan head-quarters fault) is that they have these types of things available to them which are put on other cars. Take advantage of globilisation and put these things on the 380.
I think you should work in product developement!:D

If they could atleast have this kind of kit available an options on the 380 they'd have a winner.

The GT (if priced at $47,990) could have:
-LED Taillights
-HID Headlights
-Reverse Camera
-8 Airbags (inc. Curtain)
-Integrated (sharks-tail=excellent reception) antenna

The blinkers on the mirrors should be on all models and other things an option, just add more kit the further you go up the model ranking. They could have that awsome Verada like dash in the 380GT/LX models as standard (it's already in this car).

Basically, keep the current 380's exterior looks, add the HID headlights and LED taillights and shark-tail antenna on upper spec models. Use the Galant Grunders interior or make the 380's interior a bit more like it and MMAL would have the perfect car. Put the new 6-speed auto in it on the MIVEC V6 model (380) and the five-speed auto on the 2.4 MIVEC (240); HOT HOT HOT.

What pisses me off about MMAL (it's probably Japan head-quarters fault) is that they have these types of things available to them which are put on other cars. Take advantage of globilisation and put these things on the 380.
Yes, what a conundrum MMAL are in. What you say is very true, MMAL virtually have their hands tied behind their back by the head honchos at MMC Japan. If you watched a story on the 7.30 Report about 18 months ago, MMAL are not a major priority for MMC in terms of manufacturing and they will not lose any sleep should they choose to close the Tonsley Park plant.

In terms of the interior, Siemmens VDO are currently contracted to build the main central dash and audio stack for 380, and whilst I'm not entirely sure I very much doubt they build that swish set-up we see in the Grunder. That contract will not change in the near future so we WILL NOT see that same interior from the Grunder - but possibly something similar...

MMAL are very much aware of the Grunder and how much more attractive (interior) and unattractive (front styling) it is to our 380.

We can expect a 4 cylinder version and 6 speed self-shifter, but unlikely to be before 2008. Rest assured MMAL are doing everything they possibly can (apart from advertising and marketing:rant: ) to further develop our 380.:)

Please just put the 380 front on to it

looks better then the 380

Exterior looks like Camry, VX Commodore and TJ Magna all mashed together. It is still a more 'handsome' looking car then our 380.

The Grunder would've been a great replacecment for the Verada. :cry:

The Grille kinda reminds me of a Hyundai Sonata:bowrofl:

380 front on that car and you'd have one hot family car (lol).

I'm so disappointed in aussie cars right now!

Yea,that why I got a new Hyundai Getzlol

Looks like I'll be the first to say that that dash looks a bit cheap. I just think that looking at that dash, it looks like it's made of cheap hard plastics. Although I must say that aside from that the general design looks very very nice.

I couldn't agree more with what others have been saying about the lack of new technology in MMAL's offerings to us. Our cars are always less spec'ed than overseas models and we always seem to get engine/drivetrain technologies after the rest of the world. For instance if MMAL were to use a GDI engine in the 380(not sure if there is a 3.8L variant atm), then they would have the lowest fuel consumption of the big sixes by a mile. As has been stated though it seems that MMC don't seem to care much about MMAL. Bastards!!!

Hmm, you're certainly on to something there about MMC not seeming to care about MMAL...

THEY DON'T!!!
:rant: :rant: :rant:

Australia 2006 -Makes 20%, of Autos & Imports 80%. When MMAL shuts the door's, & switch the light's off and leaves OZ in 2008, does that mean it will be OZ make's 10%, & Imports 90%? or OZ 19% & import's 81%?

Why 2008???:confused:

All depends on what percentage of australian built cars are taken up by the 380. Then factor that into the total of vehicles built here/imports.

If MMAL can produce a four cylinder vehicle along with the '380' then I can't see them going out of business. If people really empahsise the importance of the brand staying in Australia and recognize the quality in a 380 compared to a Commodore or Falcon (or even a CURRENT Camry for that matter) and also price, MMAL would be in a completely different situation when it comes to 2008.

How dare you judge the future that far in advance!

If "holden boy" continues to make wise descisions the Mitsubishi may go far beyond its success (and 14% odd market share) in the future. You never know, the VE could be a complete flop with bad qualitty and lack of sales. It may get slaugted in car reviews and people might not like the fact that Holden (apparently the most 'Australian' brand) is producing a car with only 55% (52% according to some sources) of local content.

If MMAL can produce a four cylinder vehicle along with the '380' then I can't see them going out of business. If people really empahsise the importance of the brand staying in Australia and recognize the quality in a 380 compared to a Commodore or Falcon (or even a CURRENT Camry for that matter) and also price, MMAL would be in a completely different situation when it comes to 2008.

How dare you judge the future that far in advance!

If "holden boy" continues to make wise descisions the Mitsubishi may go far beyond its success (and 14% odd market share) in the future. You never know, the VE could be a complete flop with bad qualitty and lack of sales. It may get slaugted in car reviews and people might not like the fact that Holden (apparently the most 'Australian' brand) is producing a car with only 55% (52% according to some sources) of local content.
Personally I think that if they car get the AWD floorpan tooling over here and start putting out a VRX/Ralliart type model with AWD and forced induction then I could see them selling like hotcakes if the marketing focussed on Mitsu's rally heritage.

They also need to bring in the technology that MMC has worldwide like a MIVEC 3.8 and/or a GDI 3.8. With the economy figures that those engines could put out mitsu would then get a huge gain in sales. It's pretty much up to 'holden boy' to take the battle over to japan to get some more funding. In todays globalised world mitsu should be making the RHD variants of the galant and shipping them to europe/asia.

//end rant

At the moment building an AWD 380 simply is not feasible. MMAL will be focusing on releasing a 4 cylinder version ASAP, where they state themselves we cannot realistically expect this before 2008.

When the AWD TJ Magna was (eventually) released early 2003 it didn't increase overall sales - at all. If there was to be a 380 AWD/RalliArt etc it would need to be marketed as you say in such a way that it promotes not only Mitsu's rally heritage, but the true capabilities of this particular model (handling, performance, dynamics, safety, and of course the "look at me I'm one hot car" stigma). Additionally they would need to emphasise that all other 380's share this energetic spirit, and whenever they advertise/market the 380 as an overall range they MUST show the AWD/RalliArt model to get people hooked.

Oh sh!t I'm late for work!!! :blah: :headbange (end rant)

Are the Grunder brakes the same as the 380 brakes on the front? Anyone know?

I think they are?

When I went to Taiwan for work, I had a peek in a couple of them (police car grunders lol) and they looked similar to what was on the 380's. No way to know 100% unless you get one sent over which is a bit of a waste of money for postage tbh....

Have done a fair bit of research and it looks like while the pads are different, the other specs are the same, from what I see the KSport with the same part number runs over the Galant, Grunder and the 380 so this should mean that will be a straight bolt on

Guys, this is a tech thread, not a forsale thread.....please keep that in mind