I've read a few posts on the forum regarding AWD Magna mods, especially wheels and tyres. I am concerned, as some of these are illegal.:shock: Do you know how that affects your insurance? Non-MMAL endorsed mods will also compromise or void your warranty. If a manufacturer tyre placard states 215 tyres, then you don't fit 225's or 235'. I strongly suggest you check with MMAL first before you proceed with a mod. MMAL are approachable by phone and email and helpful with engineering queries. So, please contact them and discuss with them before you make a mistake. From my own experience, they will respond and assist and their guidance stopped me from fitting 17" x 7 shod with 225's to my TL AWD. I'll eventually fit 17' x 7's but stay with the 215. Check out the Subaru Liberty GT; it's also shod with 215's. MMAL will tell you they never tested the AWD (all variants from Magna LS to Verada GTV) beyond the 215's. I am happy to be corrected.

While all the things you say may be true this is only really an issue if you have warranty remaining and i have advised my insurer of the modifications made to the car and the car is insured under that basis. I realise that 235/45 is an unrecommended size for a 7" rim but I have had this configuration for over 3 years as Im sure others have and so far had no problems whatsoever. While the tyre is quite wide it is seated safely but i suppose this would depend on the rim design. MMAL is also notoriously conservative.

I've read a few posts on the forum regarding AWD Magna mods, especially wheels and tyres. I am concerned, as some of these are illegal.:shock: Do you know how that affects your insurance? Non-MMAL endorsed mods will also compromise or void your warranty. If a manufacturer tyre placard states 215 tyres, then you don't fit 225's or 235'. I strongly suggest you check with MMAL first before you proceed with a mod. MMAL are approachable by phone and email and helpful with engineering queries. So, please contact them and discuss with them before you make a mistake. From my own experience, they will respond and assist and their guidance stopped me from fitting 17" x 7 shod with 225's to my TL AWD. I'll eventually fit 17' x 7's but stay with the 215. Check out the Subaru Liberty GT; it's also shod with 215's. MMAL will tell you they never tested the AWD (all variants from Magna LS to Verada GTV) beyond the 215's. I am happy to be corrected.

You are 100% correct, but people on this site mostly mod their cars for performance benefits, not insurance compliance.

MMAL probably have the most stringent testing conditions out of the local manufacturers(aside from Toyota), therefore they don't go to the trouble of testing a wide range of options (as they must be tested for 12 months before being approved(something they are trying to work on)).

It depends on the insurance and dealership.

You are 100% correct, but people on this site mostly mod their cars for performance benefits, not insurance compliance.

MMAL probably have the most stringent testing conditions out of the local manufacturers(aside from Toyota), therefore they don't go to the trouble of testing a wide range of options (as they must be tested for 12 months before being approved(something they are trying to work on)). I agree with the quotes. My concern is the legal implications that arise from a modified car involved in an accident. Firstly, if its serious, the police accident branch get to check out your vehicle. Secondly, the duty of every insurer is to limit their payout (trust me on that one!). Sure, you can tell an insurer what you've fitted. It's recorded on your policy. Yet, prang your car and it will be different story when they look for a way not to pay. The AWD tyre placard states 215. Ulimately, it's your vehicle, but seriously, please way up the risks associated with performance mod and legality. Legality is what is discussed in court, not on a forum thread. I've read plenty of stuff in the forum that is totally illegal. Get caught out, and it will be different story in court.

I agree with the quotes. My concern is the legal implications that arise from a modified car involved in an accident. Firstly, if its serious, the police accident branch get to check out your vehicle. Secondly, the duty of every insurer is to limit their payout (trust me on that one!). Sure, you can tell an insurer what you've fitted. It's recorded on your policy. Yet, prang your car and it will be different story when they look for a way not to pay. The AWD tyre placard states 215. Ulimately, it's your vehicle, but seriously, please way up the risks associated with performance mod and legality. Legality is what is discussed in court, not on a forum thread. I've read plenty of stuff in the forum that is totally illegal. Get caught out, and it will be different story in court.

I agree with everything you are saying, don't get me wrong. And I think everyone knows that an insurance company (or any big business really) will try get out of paying you if they can, and they get crafty at payment avoidance too (my mate works for an insurer )

PS Forgot to add, I was involved in an accident a few years ago (at-fault), and at the time I had 225/45 R17 spec tyres (which are meant to have an aspect ratio of 50 for correct speedo readout) they had a load rating that was too low for the tyre place card (which is over rated) and my insurance didn't complain (all they cared about at the time was that the wheels and tyres conformed to the +1 inch wider width and +2" diameter increase)

I've read a few posts on the forum regarding AWD Magna mods, especially wheels and tyres. I am concerned, as some of these are illegal.:shock: Do you know how that affects your insurance? Non-MMAL endorsed mods will also compromise or void your warranty. If a manufacturer tyre placard states 215 tyres, then you don't fit 225's or 235'. I strongly suggest you check with MMAL first before you proceed with a mod. MMAL are approachable by phone and email and helpful with engineering queries. So, please contact them and discuss with them before you make a mistake. From my own experience, they will respond and assist and their guidance stopped me from fitting 17" x 7 shod with 225's to my TL AWD. I'll eventually fit 17' x 7's but stay with the 215. Check out the Subaru Liberty GT; it's also shod with 215's. MMAL will tell you they never tested the AWD (all variants from Magna LS to Verada GTV) beyond the 215's. I am happy to be corrected.

While all the things you say may be true this is only really an issue if you have warranty remaining and i have advised my insurer of the modifications made to the car and the car is insured under that basis. I realise that 235/45 is an unrecommended size for a 7" rim but I have had this configuration for over 3 years as Im sure others have and so far had no problems whatsoever. While the tyre is quite wide it is seated safely but i suppose this would depend on the rim design. MMAL is also notoriously conservative.
Just remember there's three things at stake:

Mods vs warrenty
Mods vs insurance
Mods vs roadworthyness

i.e. we know that 235/45's are fine on our vehicles and yes MMAL are extremely conservative but it is not a legal setup for most 3rd gen vehicles. It's got nothing to do with warrenty (although it may void it), it's not to do with insurance (although it may void it), it's to do with roadworthyness.

It's like any change you do to your vehicle. It has to be a) insurable, b) roadworthy and c) fit in with your warrenty (if you care about it).

Just remember there's three things at stake:

Mods vs warrenty
Mods vs insurance
Mods vs roadworthyness

i.e. we know that 235/45's are fine on our vehicles and yes MMAL are extremely conservative but it is not a legal setup for most 3rd gen vehicles. It's got nothing to do with warrenty (although it may void it), it's not to do with insurance (although it may void it), it's to do with roadworthyness.

It's like any change you do to your vehicle. It has to be a) insurable, b) roadworthy and c) fit in with your warrenty (if you care about it).Right on the money! Roadworthiness is the point, be it with your insurer or your state DoT. The manufacturer has a duty of care to comply with ADR's and build a roadworthy vehicle. The owner has a duty of care to comply with the manufacturer's documentation. The point here is that 225/235's should be a fit on the AWD. I want to fit 225's. But, you just can't fit them and remain compliant because MMAL say otherwsie (it's on their type placard).

I realise that 235/45 is an unrecommended size for a 7" rim but I have had this configuration for over 3 years as Im sure others have and so far had no problems whatsoever.

a lot of smokers use the same argument - grandpa henry smoked like a chimney and lived to be 103. :doubt:

If people don't check to make sure it's legal or insurable then they have no right to cry when they get in trouble.

If people don't check to make sure it's legal or insurable then they have no right to cry when they get in trouble.So, I'm going to talk with Qld Transport this week and find out what's written in black and white. I'll find out about the implications of the manufacturer fitted tyre placard and what weight it has from a legal stand point. I'm not against perfromance mods. But, I am against a mod that alters the design characteristics of a car without the mod being lawful. I'll post my findings.

well you better get the cops on to all us members that have wheels that are big, exhausts that are loud, tint thats dark and suspension thats rather low..... better log onto all the other car forums and let them know to, seriously mate, your not the first one in the worl of car modifying to find out this..... but hey, whats one more pointless thread

So, I'm going to talk with Qld Transport this week and find out what's written in black and white. I'll find out about the implications of the manufacturer fitted tyre placard and what weight it has from a legal stand point. I'm not against perfromance mods. But, I am against a mod that alters the design characteristics of a car without the mod being lawful. I'll post my findings.

Well it'll all be on their site.

Just like the NSW RTA has all their stuff on their site.

Just jump on their site and look it up.

No offence, but this thread seems like a bit of an unnecessary ruckus to me.

This is what happens when old people learn to use the internet. Previoulsy they would just write to Harold Scruby at the Pedestrian Council to get any half interesting motoring advertising banned. God help us all!

















This is really not serious but Harold Scruby is still a ****.

This is what happens when old people learn to use the internet. Previoulsy they would just write to Harold Scruby at the Pedestrian Council to get any half interesting motoring advertising banned. God help us all!


This is really not serious but Harold Scruby is still a ****.

amen brother, and please, do your homework next time, we know this already, and you already have 3 threads about tyre size legalities, so dont start another one, oh and keeping with the theme of this thread "painfully obvious"...... the world is not flat!

I've read a few posts on the forum regarding AWD Magna mods, especially wheels and tyres. I am concerned, as some of these are illegal.:shock: Do you know how that affects your insurance? Non-MMAL endorsed mods will also compromise or void your warranty. If a manufacturer tyre placard states 215 tyres, then you don't fit 225's or 235'. I strongly suggest you check with MMAL first before you proceed with a mod. MMAL are approachable by phone and email and helpful with engineering queries. So, please contact them and discuss with them before you make a mistake. From my own experience, they will respond and assist and their guidance stopped me from fitting 17" x 7 shod with 225's to my TL AWD. I'll eventually fit 17' x 7's but stay with the 215. Check out the Subaru Liberty GT; it's also shod with 215's. MMAL will tell you they never tested the AWD (all variants from Magna LS to Verada GTV) beyond the 215's. I am happy to be corrected.

yeah but i think i speak for everyone that has put on BIG wheels
but but .......they look sooooooo cool!

i still have stock:cry:

So, I'm going to talk with Qld Transport this week and find out what's written in black and white. I'll find out about the implications of the manufacturer fitted tyre placard and what weight it has from a legal stand point.
I'm not against perfromance mods. But, I am against a mod that alters the design characteristics of a car without the mod being lawful. I'll post my findings.

is there such things as a mod that cant be picked on by cops by some small rule that is very non specific that it could mean anything the cop wants it to mean ?

my friend got defected for having extractors on a CG lancer on the weekend go figure ..

u really cannot modify a car without running the risk of a defect even if its 100% legal as a cop can still defect u if he/she suspects there may be a chance of something wrong.

PPL who chop their springs in half and them chop them in half again ( lol ) i have no respect for as car modifiers

so at the end of the day if u want to mod ur car and make it something far from standard then of course u run the risk of insurance and police issues ... but if u mod sensibly and drive safely then u should be 99% ok

amen brother, and please, do your homework next time, we know this already, and you already have 3 threads about tyre size legalities, so dont start another one, oh and keeping with the theme of this thread "painfully obvious"...... the world is not flat!Well there you go, I better go and find a round atlas; mine is a flat model. Apparently, everyone on this thread has got it all sorted with their own legal advisor, well versed in roadworthiness compliance. Lots of luck with your mods. Better to be an old fart than a young ****h**d as they say.

This smells like someone just tryin to stir...get over it and use the search feature to find that wheel/tyre size legalities have been posted many times before...

Cummins.

Well there you go, I better go and find a round atlas; mine is a flat model. Apparently, everyone on this thread has got it all sorted with their own legal advisor, well versed in roadworthiness compliance. Lots of luck with your mods. Better to be an old fart than a young ****h**d as they say.

Its not that mate, its just how its presented "Do your homework" appears condescending and most of us realise that our choice of wheel/tyre combination may not be legal. Some of your points are valid and thank you. Also starting multiple threads on what is essentially the same topic is not the best move. As Cummins said we are stirring.

Well there you go, I better go and find a round atlas; mine is a flat model. Apparently, everyone on this thread has got it all sorted with their own legal advisor, well versed in roadworthiness compliance. Lots of luck with your mods. Better to be an old fart than a young ****h**d as they say.


lighten up :S

i think ur under estimating some of the ppls knowledge on these forums ... you did make some very valid points and some ppl i think really need to here that as i think they are very nieve interms of insurance , road worthyness, and defects.

but bare in mind some ppl on here are absolute car fanatics, me personally i have had alot of conversations with regency inspectors, mechanics, cops etc .. so id like to think i am very familiar with the rules and the impacts of which my mods have had on my car ( both positive and negative)

At the end of the day 99% of us know how it is, and if we get defected accept it and move on... i really do stress that just cos u get defected does NOT mean ur car isnt safe or is a danger on the roads or to the environment.

as far as insurance goes, the only time ive had to claim was in a head on accident, my car was a fraction lower than legal and the tyres were worn on the insides ... my insuirance company covered me.

i think if u were going to say which is the best 100% legal magna on these forums we wouldnt have a clue .....cos it would be some car we have never even seen or taken notice of.. i mean WTCHME, BOOYA, 4MYEGO, Jasons VRX etc etc if went over with a fine tooth comb and even had emissions tests it would be a defect same goes for most of us.

even a engineers certificate wont nesicarilly make the insurance company or cops happy .... end of the day mod ur car to how u want it but dont compromise safety of urself and other road users by doing stupid mods .. and accept any defects or inssurance issues that come along with out acting hard done by

And also, don't forget that a defect doesn't mean you're unsafe or unroadworthy.

It simply means the officer at the time SUSPECTS you may be unsafe or unroadworthy, hence you need to get the car checked to get a defect "cleared".

allpaws...

We can all do our own research into the legalities. Some people just don't want to know about it and shoving it down their throat like a door knocking bible basher is no way to approach it.

Don't keep making threads on the topic...so far you've made about 4 all with a similar theme.

Well there you go, I better go and find a round atlas; mine is a flat model. Apparently, everyone on this thread has got it all sorted with their own legal advisor, well versed in roadworthiness compliance. Lots of luck with your mods. Better to be an old fart than a young ****h**d as they say.

yeh, but its even worse when your an old dip sh*t, you say, wider tyres are unraodworthy and illegal, illegal maybe, but un-roadworthy? would you rather have 7 inches of contact, or 8-8.5"??? which is goin to provide more grip??? im sure you realise the whole jahovas witness approach to this may not have been the best idea and that we already know this information you are saturating our forums with wasnt the best. oh and i dont think we all have the money to sit down with a lawyer for 2 hours every time we want to mod our car, any way, its not every day we get visited by captain obvious and constable care rolled into one.... enjoy you stay

ps. id stick with the flat atlas..... as they are books and all

So, I'm going to talk with Qld Transport this week and find out what's written in black and white. I'll find out about the implications of the manufacturer fitted tyre placard and what weight it has from a legal stand point. I'm not against perfromance mods. But, I am against a mod that alters the design characteristics of a car without the mod being lawful. I'll post my findings.
Here's a start...
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTASinfo.nsf/index/vehicles_modifications




is there such things as a mod that cant be picked on by cops by some small rule that is very non specific that it could mean anything the cop wants it to mean ?
For what it's worth, an officer can ever defect car straight off the factory floor.

As far as the tyre placard is concerned. It only outlines what you should follow in terms of inflation and load rating. It does not stipulate what tyre you must have on the car.


You would have to constantlly check each tyres wear pattern so as to avoid any mis-matched rolling diameters, especially if you drive enthusiastically.

Althoug I'm guessing this would only be a real problem with respect to differance in the front to rear rolling diameter (extra diff wear)? Athough the rear LSD might complain too.


Really? I never knew that... surely it wouldnt make that much difference having new tyres on one end and slightly used on the other... how much difference in rolling diameter is there?? a few mm's?? surely the drive train could handle that???

is there known cases of ppl putting on new tyres on one end and then breaking stuff as a result??
Yeah, Mitsu stipulate this. It would only be of concern come warrenty time. In the Magna's case, I think the viscus coupling has something to do with it.

Realistically, usually tyres wear relatevely evenly. Yes, different wear rates will be evident but it won't be as big an issue as MMAL's stipulation might have some people thinking but it does guard against long term failure of an expensive kind. However I don't believe that MMAL are the only one who says that all tyres should be changed at the same time.

Yeah, Mitsu stipulate this. It would only be of concern come warrenty time. In the Magna's case, I think the viscus coupling has something to do with it.

Realistically, usually tyres wear relatevely evenly. Yes, different wear rates will be evident but it won't be as big an issue as MMAL's stipulation might have some people thinking but it does guard against long term failure of an expensive kind. However I don't believe that MMAL are the only one who says that all tyres should be changed at the same time.


fair enough...

what i dont understand though is this....

the reason, im presuming, that they stipulate that all tyres should be changed, is because they are suggesting that if the tyres have different tread levels, then the overall rolling diameter would be differnet on each wheel (be such a small difference though).. hence they're saying that each, some or all of the wheels would be rotating at different speeds.... what happens when you turn a corner though? exactly that... so if the driveline can cope with hammering through corners (driveline under huge load with the wheels rotating at different speeds) then i cant see how a few mm's of difference in tyres can cause any harm at all

what i dont understand though is this....
Dunno, I'm not an engineer so I won't pretend to explain some tripe that they believe or identified. But I suspect that because 99% of driving is straight, cornering isn't really a major factor.

Dunno, I'm not an engineer so I won't pretend to explain some tripe that they believe or identified. But I suspect that because 99% of driving is straight, cornering isn't really a major factor.

yeh i guess.. ah well, not gremz problem, he doesnt have an AWD lol

And also, don't forget that a defect doesn't mean you're unsafe or unroadworthy.

It simply means the officer at the time SUSPECTS you may be unsafe or unroadworthy, hence you need to get the car checked to get a defect "cleared".

allpaws...

We can all do our own research into the legalities. Some people just don't want to know about it and shoving it down their throat like a door knocking bible basher is no way to approach it.

Don't keep making threads on the topic...so far you've made about 4 all with a similar theme.

BINGO

Police aren't experts in the fields of vehicle modifications and defects. They are trained to a degree and are conversant with obvious and DANGEROUS defects.

For this reason an Officer can defect a vehicle on their suspicions. To have an expert look at the vehicle and clear/repair it.

And lets confirm a few things. - There is a warranty voiding modification, an insurance voiding modification & an illegal modification.

Each can be different and a particular mod can fall into each or every cattergory. But NOT ALLWAYS all of the categories.

I think those of you that know me understand I have a bit of knowledge in this department.:cool:

Some interesting responses. No apology for identifying legal compliance info, re: wheels and tyres and offering that info for digestion. Sorry, that must be the engineer in me that made me do that. Though, none of you much care about that issue. If any of you read my initial post, I was looking for info about increased tyre width. I didn't get much response. I am against illegal suspension, steering and wheel/tyre mods on any vehicle-full stop! But, clearly here, anything is legal till you're caught. Though, I must admit reading through the tech and mod sections of this site, I'm bewildered by the fact that some members buy Magna's and throw barrow loads of dough on them so they can be noticed (bruum, bruum). That's your right. But as far as Magna 3.5lt donks go, they are off with the dodo. Wow, one of you fellas has one that does 206kw atw. Hot for a Magna, but pretty average output for a 3.5lt in my book. Compare that output to the 3.5lt in a 350Z. Even the 380 donk is marginally average. If you wannabe a boy racer, save your pennies and buy a pre-loved Rex or Evo. At least they 'growl' in stock standard guise. Get some perspective about where the Magna fits in the 'performance' line up. A great alround car but strictly a non-goer in wheel spinning, fire beathing talk. Feel pleased, as I won't be back here on this forum to source good info on tech mods. I'll stick to those who do if for a living and follow the laws of compliance and sound engineering practice.:bowrofl:

allpaws - stick to ur rexes and evo and follow what everyone else is doing by all means no one is telling you to mod ur car, some want to mod the magna as its different ( meaning they dont want to be like everyone else in their modded rex or skyline)

The person who has 206kw atw means its at teh wheels the 350z is a sports car and it prob makes 160-180 atw so dont go bull****ing on the forums, plus look at jason's vrx has 240kw atw and he has spent less the 6k on the engine to get that, though he did a lot of the work himself like a true car modder. His car may be by all means illegal with emission and what not but u dont see him whinging on here that we are putting on 10mm wider tyres over stock.

The 3.8lt engine may not be ur uber 200+kw engine, but its not meant to be its called a family car not a supercar, and the engine makes up with compling with even the stringent Californian emissions rules in the US which are known to be some of the harshest in the world.

also no idea where u get teh idea of a non-goer in wheel spinning, i thought u were all for being legal with mods why not be a safe driver that drives legally. ps to get anycar to wheel spin is not a problem, if anything more so with the front wheel drive magnas, look at ego's avatar as an example.

And if u cant appreciate what we do to our magna's then i personally would rather that u follow ur last words
Feel pleased, as I won't be back here on this forum to source good info on tech mods. I'll stick to those who do if for a living and follow the laws of compliance and sound engineering practice.

Guys if u see this as a rant, well it may be but ive had enough of reading on the forums ppl complaining about AMC guys modding there cars or generally being one sided and one minded when it comes to modifying cars and starting threads like this.

Disclaimer: if u see this as crap pm me as id rather not ruin this thread anymore

*YAWNS* - somebody wake me up when this is over

allpaws you contribute nothing to this site.

Go back to humping your rexy, you're out of here.