Just to see the flipside to the "best thing" thread

1. The keyless remote (have to press twice for all doors!)
2. Turning circle (a slob in carparks!)
3. Lateral seat support (VRX)

the ride height
the crappy non leather interior
the front wheel driveness
the lack of rims
the lack of colour coding
the untinted windows
then scratched paintwork
the crappy auto matic gearbox
yeah id say thats about it

oh u said 3 didnt you................

[QUOTE=JMW2207]

1. The keyless remote (have to press twice for all doors!)
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You can change the remote so you only press it once and it opens all doors, found that out just 2nite as my VRX does the same thing at the moment. Check in your owners manual.

Apparently the press once for drivers door, and press twice for all doors was because of a survey which found women prefered just unlocking one door as it'll stop other ppl jumping in other days at the same time, basically just a safety thing, but yeah like I said you can change it.

1 FWD
2 Crap Brakes
3 Front Bar not finished

VRX
1. Dated interior
2. Crappy power
3. Seats suck

1. The huge gap in the wheel arches
2. FWD I wish it was AWD Manual
3. No LSD

Defect Sticker
Fwd
Re Sale Value

[QUOTE=JMW2207]

1. The keyless remote (have to press twice for all doors!)
QUOTE]

You can change the remote so you only press it once and it opens all doors, found that out just 2nite as my VRX does the same thing at the moment. Check in your owners manual.

Apparently the press once for drivers door, and press twice for all doors was because of a survey which found women prefered just unlocking one door as it'll stop other ppl jumping in other days at the same time, basically just a safety thing, but yeah like I said you can change it.

Cool bananas.....Which part of the manual?...i've just looked over it and it only had about reprogramming a blank remote and nothing about changing it to "one click opens all doors"

oh if there was a 4th id add ...

back seat room!! lancers have the same amount as room! go figure

Turning circle
Brakes
Re-sale

My worst 3, apart from that im very happy with my car

1. turning circle!
2. crap brakes
3. steering too light

1: difficuilty of routing a decent exhaust
2: resale
3: expense of aftermarket parts

-resale
-no safety features like abs, airbags
-still have to service them regularly

1. Turning Circle
2. Scratched Paintwork
3. Untinted Windows

1.Auto:cry:
2.No climate control - it's either too hot or too frigging cold:rant:
3.Cargo barrier has started rattling again:roll:

Oh, and the windows need attention. Had tailgate side windows removed and resealed today. Next on the agenda is screeching driver's window.

Well

Automatic
Resale
Mmmmmmmmmm Mmmmmmmmmmmm Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Thinking.......................................... .... Yeah the remote it a pain in the butt how i have to be standing within 2 meters before it will work...:rant:

3 Front Bar not finished

In a couple of days it will be

1. Springs pop out when turning
2. Rattles from 2 15's
3. didnt come with power windows, manual gearbox or leather interior

1. The cruise on/off switch is located on the dash unlike later models with it on the end of the stalk.
2. Turning circle!
3. It hasnt hit 14's yet! lol

3 things i dont like:

1. Resale
2. Squeeling Brakes
3. FWD and Auto (equal 3rd)

things i do like:

1. Its a ralliart
2. They arent all that common
3. Awesome front seats
4. Sunroof
5. Pretty impressive stock audio system
6. Cool interior (steering wheel/trim/etc)
7. Cool exterior (body kit/splitter/massive spoiler that doesnt look out of place)
8. etc etc etc - the positives definatley out-weigh the negatives:D

Three things I hate about my car
1. Dealing with the fools at Penrith Mitsubishi.
2. Letting the trained monkeys loose on my car at Penrith Mitsubishi.
3. Being lied to by Penrith Mitsubishi.

Do You Ever Get The Feeling That You've just been F~@#$d Up The A~!E
Without Even
The Courtesy Of A Reach Around.

Oh F~!@ What A Feeling!!!!!!!Penrith Mitsubishi.

* Not enough room to work in the engine bay - Changing the timing belt is a nightmare
* Torque steer aka. FWD!
* Seats (That, or the padding is a gone'r after over 200 thou k's)

the ride height
the crappy non leather interior
the front wheel driveness
the lack of rims
the lack of colour coding
the untinted windows
then scratched paintwork
the crappy auto matic gearbox
yeah id say thats about it

oh u said 3 didnt you................

1. Indeed. Blow a hole in your shocks, you'll be lower than a snakes erection.
2. HAHAHA SUCKS TO BE YOU
3. Damn. Sucks to be me.
4. HAHAH SUCKS TO BE YOU AGAIN
5. EVERYBODY PANIC! *Red interior black exterior. Like a cut open abo...
6. FREE TINT FOR ME
7. You got a piont there.
8. TIPPY! Lazymans manual!

The 3 things I like least about my KH xi are :

1. Vague & woolly feeling steering
2. 1st gear of the 3.5 auto is too tall
3. No tiptronic (I find the 3rd gen auto boxes hold on to gears way too long......conversely the 2nd gens like to get into 3rd gear and are reluctant to go back to 2nd or 1st......)

1. Turning Circle
2. The Sunvisor, when you put it down you can't see the road as it blocks the whole windscreen, who the hell designed that.
3. Can't think of anything else.

VRX AWD

1) Sluggish launch
2) Self learning auto (I don't want it to learn how to to shift in stop start traffic!)
3) Fuel economy

Ken

3 things i hate ATM are

1. its multi coloured atm (car is ahite, side skirts are gunmetal grey and fron lip is blue)
2. it sounds lumpy and dosnt idle right coz i thing one of the plug leads are stuffed (sounds kool from the outside but inside the rough idle is not good)
3. re-sale value

apart from those 3 things i love my car and wouldnt change it for anything (unless i get a black KJ verarda with all the options and manual :drool:

1. Springs pop out when turning


mine was doing that but fixed it by jacking the car up undoing the r bolts from the top and jus turn the plate and bolt it back on and walah problem fixed. took Rhino only 3 mins and it was done.

2. Turning circle (a slob in carparks!)


:stoopid:

1. No steering feel at freeway speeds
2. Front seats lack side bolstering
3. I tend to get tailgated alot more in this car compared to my previous Toyotas

1. fwd

2. 4 speed auto

3. traction problems

4. gutless

5. turning circle

but as you can see, there all gonna be a performence cravings person's problem with these cars

car is a tf

the hole dam car is bad lol

Turning circle is pretty much an issue with any large fwd car, gets to be a moot point after a while.

I think the thing that I hate worst about my magna:
1, and probably 1-500 in reality is the failure to ensure quality with suppliers.

Nothing ever has driven me as mad with my warping passenger airbag cover, and the pealing rear windscreen which was evenutally fixed.

2. Standard brakes are rather average
3. Outdated interior. Even if they took a hacksaw to the dash and built in a few storage bins and some brighter dashboard colours, this may have extended the life of the design of the interior a bit. What they did for the TL was a minor improvement, but not really good enough.

2002 TJs2 3.5 tip
-turning circle is dodgy but thats a fwd thing
-dash lights turn on when headlights aren't on, have forgotten a couple of times leaving well lit car parks at night and getting flashed by everyone - still can't see the rationale for doing this.
-tiptronic 4spd gearbox ratios are really screwed - only get good acceleration at about 80kms in 2nd - good accelleration from there, and it won't change down sometimes! nothing beats a manual that does things when you want it.
- really wanted an awd and now they are damn cheap!

but mostly the car goes really well for a large family car, has a few niggles which I hoped a 3yr old car wouldn't have but its still better than a Ford or Holden!

1.Auto
2.Not enough Power
3.FWD

fwd- no grip in wet-understeer
brakes- give them and AAA for brake fade
suspension- are these cars designed to go off road and the body roll damn

1. turning circle
2. flat spot in low revs
3. floor it at about 50-60km/h and it jumps into 2nd gear but takes off like a grandma getting out of a couch

wait theres more...

4. noisey brakes
5. nearly impossible to get a decent take off in the wet (should get new rubber too)
6. not a burn out machine

TF

1. Rear window seals
2. Front window seals

the hole dam car is bad lol

Bit harsh....your 19 and you drive a pretty nice ride.
bugger me....when i was 19 i had a 1980 corona that was falling to bits and smoked more than steam train!
Count yourself lucky young chap

1. Bus sized steering wheel.
2. Bird poop from a bird suffering diahorrea that has eaten a patch of paint off the bonnet.
3. It's not a 997 GT3.

Chris

1. Rough Ilde
2. Rough Idle
3. Again, Rough Idle.

Other problems you can throw money at to fix. No matter how much money i throw, i cant fix rough idle.

I love my TH Exec but....

I hate the

1. Inability to park between 2 cars cause I can't see the front end, back end and I can't turn in properly!

2. The Horn (need I say more)

3. Brake Squeel...

(BTW, if you blokes who found that bit in the owners manual about changing the remote from double press to 1 press for opening all doors, could you let me know cause I don't have the owners manual... cheers)

Horrible auto gear box

Horrible re-sale

Lack of affordable after market parts and general go-fast gear

Horn
Resale
Turning Circle

1. Smoke from exhaust.
2. Smoke from the auto.
3. Carbon monoxide and smoke coming out of the air vents.

1 no sunroof
2 horn
3 fold down rear seats

I have to admit i regulary drive new commy's and falcons and other than the new 6 speeder auto in the falcon, i would put the magna's box up there as the best, and they have had a 5 speeder out for 5 years unlike the others which has been within the last year.

1. resale
2. brakes
3. gets dirty easy

Hay For The One Who Posted About The One,two Button Remote Pressing Button.

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1) Vague Steering
2) Build quality *rattle, squeak, clunk*
3) Body Roll

The resale value is one of the best and worst things with the Magna. You cant complain too much when picking them up second hand at bargain bin prices.

1) Vague Steering
2) Build quality *rattle, squeak, clunk*
3) Body Roll

The resale value is one of the best and worst things with the Magna. You cant complain too much when picking them up second hand at bargain bin prices.

:-) im looking for a bargin bin on gas...

1994fairmont
-$100 on fuel a week (i only do about 400kms:-( )
-its to low... feel everthing
-Exhaust rates

the th/tj/tw 2 stage remote locking/unlocking system will always remain 2 stage.. one press to unlock driver's door, 2 presses to unlock rest! sorry, but i think the guy who said you could deactivate it, is misinformed, or just talking through his ****!

For my TE

1. Re sale value
2. Turning circle
3. Auto box:cry: , ya, it,s not manual

1. Expensive parts/ hard to source certain items
2. FWD not the best showcase for worthy motors
3. Huge turning circle/hard to do handbrakies with the handbrake becoming loose so often lol

1. Nose heavy, due to motor being mounted ahead of the front axle line and FWD Layout.
2. FWD Layout lol .
3. Bellow average brakes.

1. Auto and not manual.
2. Stupid thing below/behind number plate on front bar.
3. Not being able to change tail lights without changing boot lid.

1. The terrible road truck style turning circle
2. Resale value
3. Stupid handbrake cable

FWD and doesnt do 12`s YET..:P

the th/tj/tw 2 stage remote locking/unlocking system will always remain 2 stage.. one press to unlock driver's door, 2 presses to unlock rest! sorry, but i think the guy who said you could deactivate it, is misinformed, or just talking through his ****!

Yeah I think your right. The magnas can't be changed to single lock. Only the 380s can be changed back to single..

1 - Trying to stop after flooring it @ 100k's
2 - (auto) 2nd gear, hellooo, I know there's an engine in there somewhere!
3 - turning circle

1. FWD
2. Has hole in rear muffler.. sounds good... but, its not meant to be there
3. Leaking power steering fluid somewhere..

Turning Circle.
Fuel economy.
Radio volume button.

Basically what most people have covered:

1. FWD
2. Turning Circle
3. Auto!!! aarrgghhh!!!

Basically what most people have covered:

1. FWD
2. Turning Circle
3. Auto!!! aarrgghhh!!!


People if you don't like the auto, don't buy an auto. Or do what i did, and find one with the 5speed auto, its great.

Likewise, if you don't like front wheel drive, what are you doing with a magna?

Agreed on turning circle, although even that is just a matter of getting used to it

we should send this thread to mitsu maybe they will get there thumb out of there rear end and fix these problems they might sell more cars and reduce the risk of closing down

People if you don't like the auto, don't buy an auto. Or do what i did, and find one with the 5speed auto, its great.

Likewise, if you don't like front wheel drive, what are you doing with a magna?

Agreed on turning circle, although even that is just a matter of getting used to itHaving never driven an auto before, I didn't know I was going to hate it. I had to 'suck it and see'. Plus, finding a manual wagon in decent condition was becoming a nightmare.:rant:

My turning circle is alright. What are people comparing them to? Mine is on par with the Camry we traded in.:confused:

the turning circle (and hence ease of parking) was FAR better in my ex's EL Falcon wagon!

Build Quality (dash rattles, rear parcel shelf squeeks, noisy driver window seal)
Transmission (not cos its an auto, it just doesnt know what gear it wants to go in sometime s)

Actually, thats about it.

People if you don't like the auto, don't buy an auto. Or do what i did, and find one with the 5speed auto, its great.

Likewise, if you don't like front wheel drive, what are you doing with a magna?

Agreed on turning circle, although even that is just a matter of getting used to it


Yeah thats all good and well, but the car was given to me for my 18th, its dads old car so i was very happy at the time. Nothing i could do about it not being an auto and whatever.

1. SOHC Engine
It's the 21st century, and most Mitsubishi's cars are still SOHC. A 3.5L DOHC Nissan Maxima produces 25% more power, for god's sake.

2. Soft suspension
Drive it hard, particularly around the corner, and understeer happens quite easily. Car also leans too much around the corner.

3. Power Window Auto Down only (and driver's door only)
Most of new cars now have auto close (after all, drivers tend to close the window all the way, and can be quite handful compared opening the window), and for ALL the windows. I don't believe such "Obstacle Sensor" is too expensive.

In no particular order:

FWD
High Ride Height
Grinding noise when cold and between 1000-1200rpm
The sun visor thingy that blocks 3/4 of the windscreen
Turning Circle
Resale (only bad if selling, very good if buying :) )
Poor reputation
Lack of performance mods when compared to falcodore
Wind noise at high speeds (110+)
Handbrake sucks even when tightened
Brakes could be better


Still enjoy driving it 1000 times more than mums common***** and dads camry. Alot nicer looking and feeling car too. Very well made and it shows that Mitsu did put alot of effort into the Early 3rd Gens

Hmm, I love my car. I guess the 3 things I would change are:

Paintjob - Its faded, especially at the back
Handling - It goes hard but in corners gets creamed by alot of things. Heres hopeing thats fixed this week with some new shocks and springs :D
Headlights - The low beams at night arent too good, ive even tried some Phillips vision plus bulbs which didnt seem to do much. I could use some driving lights i think.

1. SOHC Engine
It's the 21st century, and most Mitsubishi's cars are still SOHC. A 3.5L DOHC Nissan Maxima produces 25% more power, for god's sake.



So the Nissan thats VVTI, DOHC and probably cost twice what the 6g74 did to build, only produces 15 nm and 15kw more while propelling the car down the road at a slower rate, omg naughty mistu, start including technology that makes the car more expensive to buy/service for no benefit so I can say I have dohc.

Three things for me.

1: Soft stock clutch.

2: The fact that they need to be lowered to look nice, lowered cars are a hassle :(

3: Engine mounts - Japanese engineers, please look to europe to learn how to make a decent engine mount.

Matthius

2000 tj exec

1. no electric windows
2. insurance costs
3. uncomfy front seats (They actually hurt my back)

and another for good measure
4. guys think its my boyfriends bloody car! cant a girl own a nice bloody car:rant:

1. Brakes
2. Turning Circle
3. Everyone laughs when you tell them you have a magna... Till you beat them

lack of sex apeal

crappy auto

have to have 6x9's in the back (pisses me off cos i hate 6x9's)

Got beaten by a VT 3.8 Crappadore. Mods will be needed for sure!!

Wowzers, how did that happen?:confused: Was the commo modded because you should have at least stayed, if not beaten a stock one.

Wowzers, how did that happen?:confused: Was the commo modded because you should have at least stayed, if not beaten a stock one.

All I could sus out about the commo was that it had a cat back and no head work done to it. there was no cold air induction upgrade as I couldn't hear the sucking sound it makes. So all in all, I would say it was stock standard besides the cat back. :shock:

Also, I think the auto trans had let me down as I find that I can't get high enough revs even in tiptronic mode.

2003 TJ2 AWD

1) Wind Noise from A pillars
2) Slow takeoff
3) Those crappy parabolic headlamps (not for much longer :P)

Cheers
Heath Young

2002 TJII Exec

1. No power windows
2. Stock stereo (not for long)
3. No window tint

Other then that its awesome :)

1. wind noise when driving fast
2. lack of traction in 1st
3. feeling bad when you beat a 5L v8 falcdore

My mother's TH Exec:

1) Crappy seats
2) Pwr mirror button doesn't work (never did since she bought it in '01)
3) Sh!t audio system

1: no room in the back seats
2: front wheel drive rubbish
3: genuine parts cost more than the car is worth

can i list 100 things lol!! :badgrin:

1. the ****ty front wheel drive

2.noises and rattles

3. Auto transmission

its **** house performence,

0-100 in two christmas times,

400m sprint= 1 light year

its stupid steel wheel garbage

the list goes on

i dont know there is hardly anything good about the magna

other then its got 4 doors, a motor, 4 wheels, and a decent sound system ( of course not stock cause the stock ****)

its funny that theres a heap more posts in the Worst Things thread than there is in the Best Things thread :bowrofl: yet if somebody rips off your magna on the street you will stick up for it/blow them away (or try to at least.)

its funny that theres a heap more posts in the Worst Things thread than there is in the Best Things thread :bowrofl: yet if somebody rips off your magna on the street you will stick up for it/blow them away (or try to at least.)

Quite true mate!! even though i hate many things about my magna i still love it more than i hate it and if anyone knocks it ill knock them :badgrin:

Yeah i think its so funny who many people say auto and FWD. well why did you buy it. im sure you could of gone a manual RWD something.

from the amount of things people dont like about magnas we should call this club Aussie Magna Haters Club AMHClol

although we hate some aspects of the magna we still love it to bits, therefore we can overlook a lot of the shortcommings, and one of the reason many ppl dont prefer the auto in the magnas is becoz they realised how good the manuals are in the magna after learning more about them and at the smae time maybe a little bored with the auto?

as 0-100 kinda takes 2 xmas compare to the manual lol

I think its just human nature to criticise more than compliment things. I was actually surprised that there are more worse thans than best things.

I think the Magna Club is a good channel to get things off peoples chests. Magnas are very unique and i reakon and agree if push came to shove most people would stick up for their magna.

It would be interesting to have a tread like this for Falcons and Commodores in their home forum and see the results!!

i suppose its a case of take the good with the bad, every car is gonna have its faults

[QUOTE=MrPerkasa]1. SOHC Engine
It's the 21st century, and most Mitsubishi's cars are still SOHC. A 3.5L DOHC Nissan Maxima produces 25% more power, for god's sake.


My hyundai Getz have DOHC for gods sake!

3. Power Window Auto Down only (and driver's door only)

Same on my car.

I think its just human nature to criticise more than compliment things. I was actually surprised that there are more worse thans than best things.

I think the Magna Club is a good channel to get things off peoples chests. Magnas are very unique and i reakon and agree if push came to shove most people would stick up for their magna.

It would be interesting to have a tread like this for Falcons and Commodores in their home forum and see the results!!

Hey, carsurvey.org has something like this for just about every car. People write their own reviews on their car and it also allows other people to comment on the review if they wish.

I've read through the Magna ones and people appear to generally write more positve compared about the Magna compared to the Falcon and Commodore. That said, there are are more Falcons and Commodores sold compared to Magnas (which you will see by the amount of reviews for them) so I guess it's all relative in the end.

cant find 3 (extremly happy after 2.5yrs)
but the one gripe i do have
is the turning circle,boy thats a killer

i'm with BenN, the only thing i dnt like is the turning circle......listening MMAL??? fix the turning circles, its like we're driving mack trucks...hahaha
cheers
Rhys

I think everyone who has a magna/verada here will have plenty more pros to say than cons... otherwise why the hell did they buy one??:nuts:

Interesting to see people bagging the fact it's FWD - er, um, GET OVER IT (yawn)
As for it being SOHC, take this into consideration. The new 380 has a great SOHC engine, very smooth and responsive and nice note too. The DOHC alloytec in current commo is almost the complete opposite, doesn't like to rev and the engine note cannot be compared to 380, or any previous magna V6 (at least in 3rd gens).

So why doesn't MMAL do DOHC? It doesn't NEED to (but I'm sure it will in due course). Having SOHC also has it's benefits being a simpler design and layout; and less parts working to get more power, more responsiveness and better sound than the over-teched and under-performed allytec tech.

Here's a hint people: saying you don't like the fact your car is auto or FWD will NOT make you popular on this forum. Don't try to conform so as to feel "accepted" (you don't) and be greatful to be involved in a club who share a common love for one of the most underrated cars in history:) . Otherwise buy a falcodore.:rant:

Well that's my rant for the day. All hail Magna's, they may not be the best but nor is anything else.

veradaboy.......give that man a new.....i totally agree mate, i will drink to that..
cheers
Rhys

well maybe, everyone is more incline to point out the bad things more then the good things,
with just about everything, negative memory/pointers, come ahead before the good comes along, and seems the only major biffs people have with the magna is fwd auto, some had choices to buy this type of car or not.

so if you don't want to see anyone complaining about faults in the magna, don't read this thread, simple as that, and that would save you a whinging post

I think everyone who has a magna/verada here will have plenty more pros to say than cons... otherwise why the hell did they buy one??:nuts:

Interesting to see people bagging the fact it's FWD - er, um, GET OVER IT (yawn)
As for it being SOHC, take this into consideration. The new 380 has a great SOHC engine, very smooth and responsive and nice note too. The DOHC alloytec in current commo is almost the complete opposite, doesn't like to rev and the engine note cannot be compared to 380, or any previous magna V6 (at least in 3rd gens).

So why doesn't MMAL do DOHC? It doesn't NEED to (but I'm sure it will in due course). Having SOHC also has it's benefits being a simpler design and layout; and less parts working to get more power, more responsiveness and better sound than the over-teched and under-performed allytec tech.

Here's a hint people: saying you don't like the fact your car is auto or FWD will NOT make you popular on this forum. Don't try to conform so as to feel "accepted" (you don't) and be greatful to be involved in a club who share a common love for one of the most underrated cars in history:) . Otherwise buy a falcodore.:rant:

Well that's my rant for the day. All hail Magna's, they may not be the best but nor is anything else.


:stoopid:

Well said mate.....

well maybe, everyone is more incline to point out the bad things more then the good things,
with just about everything, negative memory/pointers, come ahead before the good comes along, and seems the only major biffs people have with the magna is fwd auto, some had choices to buy this type of car or not.

so if you don't want to see anyone complaining about faults in the magna, don't read this thread, simple as that, and that would save you a whinging post
But ur whinging too.:nuts:

I'm a magna fan (because I like them), this is a magna thread in a magna forum, therefore I read and give my 2 cents like others. Do the math.:think:

ok... WINGE WHINE WINGE WHINE...

Dont like FWD... Why did you buy a magna?

my car is nearly stock and i can sit on 240kph easy... it handles well... and there isnt many comos or falcons in town that waste me... its usualy the oposite... apart from v8s obviosly.

my comlaints
1 its not a ferrari
2 its not a lambo
3 its not a lotus...

apart from that its the best damed family sedan ive driven and ive driven heaps of them.

i'm with BenN, the only thing i dnt like is the turning circle......listening MMAL??? fix the turning circles, its like we're driving mack trucks...hahaha
cheers
Rhys

On a FWD the CVs experience large torque loads. As you increase the angle of the CV, you are multiplying the torque loading. Magnas being big sedans with decent V6 engines, put a fair bit of strain on the drive shafts.

There are two ways of extending the life of drive shafts (or in this case CV joints). One is to build bigger, stronger drivshafts with large CVs (heavy and expensive). The other way is to reduce the amount of steering angle so you don't load the CVs as much (allowing smaller cheaper items). :)

Keyless romote - you have 2 press it 2 times to open the car
abs should be all 3rd gens

1. The paint that's specially designed to wash off.
2. The top of the 4G54 that's designed to deteriorate rapidly.
3. The total lack of information and aftermarket options.

If I owned an auto that would be on the list. FYI: 1st gen Magna manual boxes are excellent... not crap, not okay, not good, but excellent. I'm only guessing it's much the same for gen 2&3.

1. The paint that's specially designed to wash off.
2. The top of the 4G54 that's designed to deteriorate rapidly.
3. The total lack of information and aftermarket options.

If I owned an auto that would be on the list. FYI: 1st gen Magna manual boxes are excellent... not crap, not okay, not good, but excellent. I'm only guessing it's much the same for gen 2&3.dude this 3rd gen not 1st gen :nuts:

1. Driver's side arm rest too low

2. Window sills to high

3. Hassle to change spark plugs

1) Window sills too high.
2) Whistle from side-view mirrors.
3) No leg room or any space at all in the back.

got more than 3 heres a couple.
1. availability of body kits for tl 's
2. size of steering wheel
3. size of antenna
most are minor things but there are a few bigger problems such as number 1

1. fuel consumption with AWD
2. uncomfortable driver's seat
3. ventilation (cool to face / heat to floor)
4. lack of true single sweep wiper
5. lack of true headlight flash

1. paint scratches so easy (champane colour)
2. brakes abit crap
3. interior needs to be updated.



and


4. wheel arches are way to high, make it look like it is to high off the ground.

Wind noise from side mirrors
Rattling back wind screen
Standard 4WD ride height

Cheers,
.wook

my car is nearly stock and i can sit on 240kph easy..
MMAL electronically limited the 3rd gens to 210 km/h. :nuts:

Auto
Stock, at the moment
Resale

I want my GT back.:cry:
It was quicker,
Turned heads, and handled like it was on tracks except for the last corner where it Derailed.