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CanberraVR-X
08-06-2006, 03:02 PM
The basic Magna 6G74 engine as designed and developed by Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC) is so good, with its racing-style compact 4-valve combustion chambers, central spark plugs and well-shaped ports, that the MMAL engineers knew it must be capable of responding to tuning for higher output. Once the potential gains were determined efforts were undertaken to smooth the design to fit within MMC requirements.

A team, comprising people from Engineering Design, Development Engineering and the Lonsdale Engine Manufacturing Plant, came up with several alternative designs which were subsequently tested during the development phase.

The final iteration has an increased compression ratio (9.4:1 compared with 9.0:1) which was achieved by a reduced piston bowl depth while still maintaining top land height. This ratio was finally settled on, to ensure the car will give optimum performance on ordinary unleaded petrol. Higher ratios could have required the car to run on PULP which was considered undesirable.

An anodised piston crown and top compression ring land were specified to reduce wear and blow-by, while maintaining top end power.

The cylinder head combustion chamber was modified to reduce valve shrouding and improve breathing at small valve openings, thereby making full benefit of the 4-valves per cylinder configuration.

A high lift camshaft profile with 10% additional lift for improved top end performance was fitted. Although other camshafts which produced greater power were tested the deterioration in idle quality and exhaust emissions were considered unacceptable.

Special high lift valve springs, which have a unique cross-section to give increased clearance between coils at the increased lift, and are made from a special nitrided material for improved fatigue strength, are fitted.

The VR-X exhaust system, which was used as the base, was revised with the addition of a large bomb-type muffler to the centre pipe to improve the mid-high rpm exhaust note. After testing three alternative exhaust headers, specially fabricated stainless steel header pipes were added to increase top end power.

The engine ECU has also been remapped to:

increase idle speed in "Drive" from 625 to 680 rpm to maintain idle quality,
increase the speed limiter to complement widely available V-rated tyres (the car is fitted with 270 kph tyres),
revise the spark map for optimal power with the increased compression ratio, and
raise the air flow sensor map limit to accommodate the improved volumetric efficiency at high rpm,
keep emissions within required limits.

Pete
08-06-2006, 03:06 PM
well i didn't know all thats thanks. its good to know I dont just own a VRX with a big wing and an LSD :D :D :D

Black Beard
08-06-2006, 03:28 PM
well i didn't know all thats thanks. its good to know I dont just own a VRX with a big wing and an LSD :D :D :D

Yeah, there were a few things in there I didn't know either.......... where'd you get those details from. Not that I don't believe it, just nice to know the source of the reference.

kurt
08-06-2006, 04:28 PM
its pritty crazy doing all those modifications to the engine and the engine is still as smoth as the stock TJs are

TZABOY
08-06-2006, 04:48 PM
i'm interested in the valve springs mentioned:

Special high lift valve springs, which have a unique cross-section to give increased clearance between coils at the increased lift, and are made from a special nitrided material for improved fatigue strength, are fitted.

Now RPW suggest changing valve springs when going stage 2 cams, but not with stage 1 cams. Are the valve springs in a ralliart good enough to cope with stage 2 cams as i'm sure (boss never tells me to assume anything) that is based on a standard 6G74 engine..

Interesting read i must say

Redav
08-06-2006, 04:54 PM
i'm interested in the valve springs mentioned:

Special high lift valve springs, which have a unique cross-section to give increased clearance between coils at the increased lift, and are made from a special nitrided material for improved fatigue strength, are fitted.

Now RPW suggest changing valve springs when going stage 2 cams, but not with stage 1 cams. Are the valve springs in a ralliart good enough to cope with stage 2 cams as i'm sure (boss never tells me to assume anything) that is based on a standard 6G74 engine..

Interesting read i must say
They probably uprated the springs as insurance against future failure and would run fine with the original ones for ages. So you'll probably find the springs could be fine with the S2's but yeah, don't assume everything.

No new info there but thanks for posting.

choonga
08-06-2006, 05:33 PM
The engine ECU has also been remapped to:

increase the speed limiter to complement widely available V-rated tyres (the car is fitted with 270 kph tyres),


wooooo:shock: someone find out if they can go faster than the 220 normal magna's are limited to. Also tell us if it makes it past there!

Killbilly
08-06-2006, 06:01 PM
240km/h is the limiter

joshlamb
10-06-2006, 12:29 AM
220kph lol i get 240 out of my 3l manual tf, no dramas at getting there, i think it could get 260 without the limiter

Grecy
10-06-2006, 03:54 PM
I remember reading something ages ago where they talked to someone from MMAL about the Ralliart engine.
He said all of their testng showed the stock valve springs were fine, but MMC Japan told them to upgrade them so there wouldn't be any future warrany issues etc.

The MMAL guy also said he'd run Ralliart cams in his car without new valve springs.

-Dan

Jasons VRX
10-06-2006, 04:29 PM
I remember reading something ages ago where they talked to someone from MMAL about the Ralliart engine.
He said all of their testing showed the stock valve springs were fine, but MMC Japan told them to upgrade them so there wouldn't be any future warrany issues etc.

The MMAL guy also said he'd run Ralliart cams in his car without new valve springs.

-Dan

You are correct with what you read. :)

gremlin
11-06-2006, 02:15 PM
wooooo:shock: someone find out if they can go faster than the 220 normal magna's are limited to. Also tell us if it makes it past there!


yes that go to atleast 240km/h,, my speedo needle has been past 240km/h

KING EGO
11-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Id say ralliart valve springs are fine when you upgrade the cam too.. So are they saying the raliiart would have a stage 1 exquivilent cam..??

Or am i stupid.. or both..? :P

Redav
11-06-2006, 02:36 PM
Id say ralliart valve springs are fine when you upgrade the cam too.. So are they saying the raliiart would have a stage 1 exquivilent cam..??

Or am i stupid.. or both..? :P
Allegedly they're considered 0.5 when compared to RPW's S1's.

Note: classifying cams in stages can be a bit misleading. You can have a multitude of grinds based on timing, lift, overlap blah blah blah and the list goes on. They seem to be labelled in stages to give an idea relative to each other their design intent. Typically someone markets a single type of design which increases from all round improvement to peak power improvements (at the cost of low rpm drivability) called from 'stage 1' to 'stage x'. This is only fair if that line of cams is all focused along a singular trend so it doesn't mean that someone who has a 'stage 1' grind can't then have their next lobe design quite different with a different intended application. i.e. you might have someone have someone who has 1's as a general improvement, 2's as a peak power improvement and then 3's specifically designed for a turbocharged application. Mr Iwantbigcams who thinks 'stage 3' must be better than 'stage 1' because 3 is a larger number than 1 will get a rude shock when he tries them out.

CanberraVR-X
12-06-2006, 07:26 AM
....... where'd you get those details from. Not that I don't believe it, just nice to know the source of the reference.

http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/A_55022/newsarticle.html