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Tessa403
17-06-2006, 07:39 AM
I guess this has been asked a million times, but I wanna ask again.

My 1999 Wagon now has 145,000kmh on it. I am thinking of throwing it on gas.

Considering the Kmhs should I trade it on a newer less travelled TW, carsales have 5 new ones listed. Or.... just go and do it.

Matty_J
17-06-2006, 07:58 AM
Well depends how much u can get your car for trade in....

the gas conversion will cost around the 2k mark, im tipping you would be paying more if you traded in although you might come out with a more reliable car.. who knows.
if u really want gas i would just convert. :thumbsup:

Tessa403
17-06-2006, 08:10 AM
Just spoke to Knox Mitsi, they had a few New TW wagons... had they are all gone.

The sales guy almost talked me into a Trition 2.4 on Gas for around $22,000. I'll drop in and see him next week and see what deal he can do on my Wagon.

Matty_J
17-06-2006, 08:24 AM
Yeh get a quote on your wagon for trade in first but i wouldnt go with the triton lol.

Tessa403
17-06-2006, 08:34 AM
OK Matty, spill...whats the go with the Triton?

Matty_J
17-06-2006, 08:46 AM
OK Matty, spill...whats the go with the Triton?

lol IMO there an ugly looking car/ute and there are so many cars u could get ya hands on for the same or an even better price. but then again it really depends on what you would need a triton for, does your wagon have enough space for your occupation being a courier??

i work for telstra bigpond so i have no need for utes/wagons therefore im not a fan of the wagons and utes. :D

Tessa403
17-06-2006, 09:00 AM
The Company I contract do does heaps of Tray work. The Operations Manager is at me to upgrade the wagon to a Tray, so not only will they have another tray but my earnings will improve. ATM being in a Wagon at times I earn more than some of trays do, thats not meant to happen.

So it's really only common sense, I talked to dear old Mum about using her Getz After Hours as thats why I brought the Wagon in the first place. I could use the wagon A/H as well as for business.

Matty_J
17-06-2006, 09:05 AM
The Company I contract do does heaps of Tray work. The Operations Manager is at me to upgrade the wagon to a Tray, so not only will they have another tray but my earnings will improve. ATM being in a Wagon at times I earn more than some of trays do, thats not meant to happen.

So it's really only common sense, I talked to dear old Mum about using her Getz After Hours as thats why I brought the Wagon in the first place. I could use the wagon A/H as well as for business.

Yeh so in your case you would need a ute so im tipping your a looking at a triton as its mitsubishi yeh?? you could always have a look at commos and ford utes, some of them are going quite cheap and look better imo. what year/model triton did they offer you for 22k?

Tessa403
17-06-2006, 09:08 AM
A new one.

But Alan Mance just offered me $17000 on the same without gas drive away, over the phone.

magnus
17-06-2006, 09:14 AM
could get a tl for about 13k and get the lpg sys installed as part of the deal

Matty_J
17-06-2006, 09:18 AM
A new one.

But Alan Mance just offered me $17000 on the same without gas drive away, over the phone.

yeh see ppl are dodgey as. get another 4-5 quotes before you make a decision. could save yourself a few grand.

Most Melbourne car dealers= dodgey as hell :badgrin:

VRwagon
17-06-2006, 12:30 PM
could get a tl for about 13k and get the lpg sys installed as part of the deal

TL wagon on gas for 13K?? I'd like to see that!

VRwagon
17-06-2006, 12:35 PM
I guess this has been asked a million times, but I wanna ask again.

My 1999 Wagon now has 145,000kmh on it. I am thinking of throwing it on gas.

Considering the Kmhs should I trade it on a newer less travelled TW, carsales have 5 new ones listed. Or.... just go and do it.


They do go well on gas. Bear in mind they put a donut tank in your spare wheel well, with the spare wheel on the side, so you will lose a little room in your wagon. Also if you do a lot of kms like me, you have to fill up a lot cos the tank only holds 50litres. Costs about $25 to fill and you will get 300kms out of a tank (350 on a highway trip). Mine is a 3.5, you might do slightly better if yours is a 3litre.
You would want to be considering keeping your wagon for a few more years to get the value out of converting it.

TFBoy
17-06-2006, 12:38 PM
can yours be switched to petrol when lpg's are empty when youre on the road? or is it bad to switch between them when your driving?

tommo
17-06-2006, 01:30 PM
I suggest you look into getting whatever car you have/get put onto dedicated gas. This is where they replace the petrol tank with an LPG one. That way you don't lose any space and also you car is tuned just for gas. I mean lets face it... how many servo's don't have LPG now, especially in the suberbs/cities??

MrPerkasa
18-06-2006, 12:28 PM
I suggest you look into getting whatever car you have/get put onto dedicated gas. This is where they replace the petrol tank with an LPG one. That way you don't lose any space and also you car is tuned just for gas. I mean lets face it... how many servo's don't have LPG now, especially in the suberbs/cities??

I doubt that it is correct (the no space lost part). Although thecar is dedicated LPG, for some reasons it cannot (only?) use the original tank location. I assume it is because:
1. It is hard to shape an LPG tank like the fuel tank while maintaning safety requirement.
2. For the same amount of internal volume as the petrol's tank, LPG tank probably needs bigger external volume.

This is the photograph of my ES TL LPG (dedicated) boot.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1540/lpgtank0pn.jpg

choonga
18-06-2006, 12:36 PM
They do go well on gas. Bear in mind they put a donut tank in your spare wheel well, with the spare wheel on the side, so you will lose a little room in your wagon. Also if you do a lot of kms like me, you have to fill up a lot cos the tank only holds 50litres. Costs about $25 to fill and you will get 300kms out of a tank (350 on a highway trip). Mine is a 3.5, you might do slightly better if yours is a 3litre.
You would want to be considering keeping your wagon for a few more years to get the value out of converting it.

how many L tank is it?

Mr Stationwagon
18-06-2006, 01:35 PM
Since you use the car for courier work I would recommend tradeing it for a diesel ute. While the purchase price might be higher, a diesel ute will retain it's value alot better then a Magna wagon with mega Kms. Also a diesel ute would be more reliable then the Magna for the work not to mention cheaper to run. Converting the Magna to LPG is false economy in my experience. I used to courier for a printer which ran a dual fuel Mercedes MB100. It was only getting 400km out of 60L ULP and 45L LPG. It was replaced by a Renault Trafic CDI which was not only a lot faster, but it repeatedly got over 1000km from just about 80L of diesel, with less then 5,000km on the clock around Canberra.

Tessa403
18-06-2006, 06:43 PM
My Partner has an 83 Jackaroo deisel and wants me to use that for courier work. :nuts:

Sorry but going from a 99 Altera with the lot, to a 83 Jackaroo with nothing is asking a bit much. But he did explain the advantages of Deisel over gas/petrol combo. I am considering the Jackaroo option just till I can get myself a 1 tonner. I'm sure I have driven worse.....

VRwagon
18-06-2006, 07:37 PM
how many L tank is it?

The tank holds 50 litres of gas. I'm not sure of the total capacity, but 50 litres usaeable.

VRwagon
18-06-2006, 07:44 PM
I suggest you look into getting whatever car you have/get put onto dedicated gas. This is where they replace the petrol tank with an LPG one. That way you don't lose any space and also you car is tuned just for gas. I mean lets face it... how many servo's don't have LPG now, especially in the suberbs/cities??

There is no point doing this, as it was pointed out the LP gas tank won't fit where the petrol tank goes, it would add extra cost to the conversions for removing tank and associated parts, and as for tuning my car runs supurbly on both gas and petrol.

Tessa403
19-06-2006, 12:24 PM
I spoke to a sales dude today, he told me the 3.5 came out with Gas Valves standard.

VRwagon
19-06-2006, 07:05 PM
Haha salesmen don't know, in fact i dont think anybody seems to know. Some 3.5's were "gas compatible" typically the advance and models based on the advance such as solara. However I have been told by Mitsubishi Victorian service manager that all TL's have the gas compatible motor.

In the end I just gave up worrying about "gas compatible motor" and put it on the car I wanted and all is well :)

Tessa403
28-06-2006, 06:17 PM
Booked it in today for next Tuesday. $2500 plus gst.

A donut tank, the spare will be upright. Fuel gauge will work on both Gas and Petrol as will the on-board computer.

Magna Brunswick is 2 weeks from getting their license to fit LPG..... I must admit I trust those guys so much I am thinking about waiting. But I don't wannabe their virgin.

VRwagon
28-06-2006, 06:50 PM
Booked it in today for next Tuesday. $2500 plus gst.

A donut tank, the spare will be upright. Fuel gauge will work on both Gas and Petrol as will the on-board computer.

Magna Brunswick is 2 weeks from getting their license to fit LPG..... I must admit I trust those guys so much I am thinking about waiting. But I don't wannabe their virgin.


Woohoo! Welcome to the LPG club!!

Personally i would go to someone who does lots of conversions. LPgas 1 in Lilydale did mine, very happy. The last thing you want is problems with it.

Tessa403
06-07-2006, 05:18 AM
I put the gas install off as I started considering buying a 1 tonne tray for work and trading the Wagon in. The best offer I got was $8000 as a trade in on a $18,999 tray, as I still owe $15,000 on the wagon I think it's best I get that figure down asap before getting further into debt.

So Monday is the big day, Campbellfield Gas Conversions will do the install. An ex of mine is a mechanic in our area so I called and asked who is best, he pointed me to Danny at CGC.

It was funny just after I booked her in I got a Job picking up heaps of boxes... if the gas was installed they wouldn't have fitted..... :bowrofl:



Goodbye $80-$90 in petrol every 2nd day, hello $25-$30 every other day.

Tessa403
11-07-2006, 05:39 PM
LPG fitted .....

Gotta take her back in 1500kms for a service so next Saturday week I'll book her in.

They put the switch on the console in front of the drink holders, it starts on petrol the switches to gas automatically. The Computer works with the gas or petrol as does the fuel gauge.

Now all I want is a Collingwood Football Club spare wheel cover.

wrexed03
11-07-2006, 05:47 PM
HEy Tessa403 can you pm me or send me the details i am looking at converting as well.

Regards

kurt
11-07-2006, 05:54 PM
LPG fitted .....

Gotta take her back in 1500kms for a service so next Saturday week I'll book her in.

They put the switch on the console in front of the drink holders, it starts on petrol the switches to gas automatically. The Computer works with the gas or petrol as does the fuel gauge.

Now all I want is a Collingwood Football Club spare wheel cover.

so how does the car compare now with gas compared to petrol

Tessa403
11-07-2006, 06:06 PM
Cost $2750 inc GST.

Took about 2 days.

Anything else just ask.

VRwagon
11-07-2006, 07:14 PM
Congrats - welcome to the club!

Tessa403
12-07-2006, 05:15 PM
so how does the car compare now with gas compared to petrol

Well unless the Computer is totally frogged up..... the economy is awesome. I got it under 11/100kms when normally it would be closer to 13-14.

So I dunno, maybe they just gave it a really good service.

VRwagon
12-07-2006, 08:28 PM
Well unless the Computer is totally frogged up..... the economy is awesome. I got it under 11/100kms when normally it would be closer to 13-14.

So I dunno, maybe they just gave it a really good service.

Your computer is lying to you on gas.

You always use MORE gas compared to petrol, but gas is less than half the price of petrol so it still works out.

My tank holds around 50 litres of gas, and i get around 300km from that.

Divide by 3 = 16.6 litres per 100kms. Yet my trip comp is saying around 11.

Works correctly when its on petrol though.

Mr Stationwagon
14-07-2006, 07:22 PM
The manual says, and I remember the TH training manual saying the same thing, that the trip computer is inactive when the car is run on LPG when it is fitted with factory approved LPG. By that I assume the LPG prep package. How much space do you loose? Did you upgrade the suspension? I'm seriously thinking about converting my wagon to LPG. Only problem is I carry 2 prams all the time and already have problems scrapeing, standard Verada suspension.

Tessa403
15-07-2006, 09:00 AM
I had a bit of a heavy load on Yesterday and noticed it. Normally the car would have no problem but this time the rear felt like it was dragging a bit. I will look into better shocks.

I lost the LHS area as the spare goes there now also the Floor is not flat anymore. The wood hatch sits up a little as the tank is underneath. The Cargo Blind is now useless. BTW I'm working on getting a Collingwood spare wheel cover.... :D

I got 376kms from 58 ltrs of LPG yesterday doing city/suburban driving. I'm getting gas at 46 cents so it's costing a little over $20 a tank. Big drop from $40-$50 a day.