Check out http://www.mynrma.com.au/ancap_test_380.asp What are requirements for 5 Star? Even the Toyota Yaris overall beat the 380...

I think they factor in pedestrian into the rating as well. I know ild prefer to be run over by a yaris than a 380 lol

I think they factor in pedestrian into the rating as well. I know ild prefer to be run over by a yaris than a 380 lol

LOL! I agree. A Yaris would be alot less harmful to pedestrians than a 380. Namely because the Yaris has like no bonnet (and no engine either :bowrofl: ).

The reason why the Yaris would have rated better is that you can option in 7 airbags if you pay an extra $750. A base model 380 would rate better then a base model Yaris.

Even though the Yaris may rate better, if a 380 and a Yaris were in a front on crash into one another it is obvious the 380's passengers would come out better. The 380 would crap all over the Yaris. But in terms of lower speed side-on crashes the Yaris may be better because curtain airbags would prevent the passengers heads from hitting the windows.


4 stars is an excellent rating for a car with no curtain airbags anyway.

Check out http://www.mynrma.com.au/ancap_test_380.asp What are requirements for 5 Star? Even the Toyota Yaris overall beat the 380...

Now the safest aussie built sedan!!!!!
For a large car under 30 grand that is awesome. Checkout the imported large cars that beat it.
Vastly more expensive.....
A very good result overall, I'd say a 5 star rating is on the cards when the new update adds curtain airbags, and the other promised safety features.
Its seems what Mitsubishi were saying about concentrating on structual integrity, and build quality is ringing true. 4 stars without curtain airbags and other safety features shows a very strong chasis indeed.
Shouldn't be surprised though, Magna's always rated well, showing great occupant protection especially in Monash Universities 'real world' crash results compared to its competitors.....
Well done Mitsu.

Ch 10 late news also just had the report. Very impressive. Hopefully should woo some more prospective buyers.

Well done Mitsu, dollars spent now starting to pay off.

Hopefully this once again raises the public's perception (and awareness) of the 380 and people actually realise that the 380 is a superior purchase when compared to the Commodore, Falcon or Camry. If you look at it, the 380 does have alot of things going for it now:
-Safest Australian Built Car
-Best Value Locally Built V6
-Australia's Most Secure Car (IT KILLED ANY OTHER OZZY CAR HERE!)
-The Best and Longest Factory Warranty
-Exceptional Build Quality
-More features in base model then competitors' product


Hopefully with more good press like this the 380 will continue to rise in sales and we can hopefully see a sales figure of more then 1,500 (sold) this month.

Hopefully this once again raises the public's perception (and awareness) of the 380 and people actually realise that the 380 is a superior purchase when compared to the Commodore, Falcon or Camry. If you look at it, the 380 does have alot of things going for it now:
-Safest Australian Built Car
-Best Value Locally Built V6
-Australia's Most Secure Car (IT KILLED ANY OTHER OZZY CAR HERE!)
-The Best and Longest Factory Warranty
-Exceptional Build Quality
-More features in base model then competitors' product


Hopefully with more good press like this the 380 will continue to rise in sales and we can hopefully see a sales figure of more then 1,500 (sold) this month.



You'd hope so, but the buying public can be a concern.

Exhibit A:
Holden stops importing its euro barina which also had a very good small car 4 star NCAP rating, instead importing the 'daewoo' korean Barina instead. Quality drops, as does performance, and safety goes from 4 stars to 2!!!
Do people stop buying them???? No way, Holden can't import them quick enough to satisfy demand. Amazing what a small price drop, catchy ad, and a name that was built up over the years, can do.
I still think Holden will live to regret this decision though..........

More good press the better though, lets hope those 380 sales take off.
The I can trade my TJ on a Mivec ralliart 380, with awd, curtain airbags, esp, hmmmmmmm the list does on:)

I'd say if curtain airbags were made standard a 5 star safety rating would be a certainty. Just look at how well the 380 rated for specific areas such as side impact - almost full marks.

Someone here may confirm, but apparently the lack of available curtain airbags automatically deducts at least 5 points from the possible total of 37. So effectively the 380 scored 28/32!

Originally Posted by adz89
Hopefully this once again raises the public's perception (and awareness) of the 380 and people actually realise that the 380 is a superior purchase when compared to the Commodore, Falcon or Camry. If you look at it, the 380 does have alot of things going for it now:
-Safest Australian Built Car
-Best Value Locally Built V6
-Australia's Most Secure Car (IT KILLED ANY OTHER OZZY CAR HERE!)
-The Best and Longest Factory Warranty
-Exceptional Build Quality
-More features in base model then competitors' product


Hopefully with more good press like this the 380 will continue to rise in sales and we can hopefully see a sales figure of more then 1,500 (sold) this month.

Hey i agree with you, but the problem is most of the ppl dont even kow the 380 has got these awards unfortunately. mmal needs to get the message across.

like when the VT comes out, holden made everyone think its safe

Hopefully this once again raises the public's perception (and awareness) of the 380 and people actually realise that the 380 is a superior purchase when compared to the Commodore, Falcon or Camry. If you look at it, the 380 does have alot of things going for it now:
-Safest Australian Built Car
-Best Value Locally Built V6
-Australia's Most Secure Car (IT KILLED ANY OTHER OZZY CAR HERE!)
-The Best and Longest Factory Warranty
-Exceptional Build Quality
-More features in base model then competitors' product


Hopefully with more good press like this the 380 will continue to rise in sales and we can hopefully see a sales figure of more then 1,500 (sold) this month.
And that's the sales pitch that mitsubishi need to get accross to everyone. Its not enough to have the BEST product, you need to tell people about it.

Shouldn't be too hard. I mean if marketing can convince consumers that a car that isn't the best seemingly IS (ie VT Commo), why not market the real deal best car as being the best. The BF Falcon seems to be getting alot of wraps from supposed "critics" but it's apparent that 380 is currently the "best" in real world terms. All comes down to marketing and public perception, the latter being a serious issue for MMAL to try and combat. Good luck to'em.

Good to see the TJ ratings are crap

http://www.mynrma.com.au/magna_01_mitsubishimagna.asp

The main issue I picked up when reading through the tests was how difficult it was to open the drivers and rear passenger doors of the 3rd gens after the offset crash compared to the Camry, Avalon and in particular the Falcon. In every 3rd gen test they needed high manual effort or tools to get the doors open. The pillarless doors may be a factor?

Good rating for the 380 though.

Well the TS got 5 stars, which is why i got an awful surprise when i checked what mine was.

Won't make a diff 380 is still doomed either way. Aussie bogans don't like mitsu end of story.

Won't make a diff 380 is still doomed either way. Aussie bogans don't like mitsu end of story.
Yes, that's a great attitude. Let's roll with that for an advertising campaign... "Oi aussie bogans, we know you don't like mitsubishi so don't buy our cars"

The main issue I picked up when reading through the tests was how difficult it was to open the drivers and rear passenger doors of the 3rd gens after the offset crash compared to the Camry, Avalon and in particular the Falcon. In every 3rd gen test they needed high manual effort or tools to get the doors open. The pillarless doors may be a factor?

That, and the fact that the TJ had very poor results from the offset crash, with major intrusion around the footwell areas, and the detection of significant head trauma.

So the main concern here would be an expedited escape after a major offset crash. Front passengers would probably be trapped by the footwell, rear passengers would probably be trapped thanks to the rear doors.

Actually quite amazing just how much of a roof buckle the 3rd gen has in that photo compaired to other cars.

Now the safest aussie built sedan!!!!!
For a large car under 30 grand that is awesome. Checkout the imported large cars that beat it.
Vastly more expensive.....
A very good result overall, I'd say a 5 star rating is on the cards when the new update adds curtain airbags, and the other promised safety features.
Its seems what Mitsubishi were saying about concentrating on structual integrity, and build quality is ringing true. 4 stars without curtain airbags and other safety features shows a very strong chasis indeed.
Shouldn't be surprised though, Magna's always rated well, showing great occupant protection especially in Monash Universities 'real world' crash results compared to its competitors.....
Well done Mitsu.


:clap: :dancin: Also was in today paper.

I just laugh at the people buying overseas built cars to save money, then go oh crap don't have enough room for anything and end up having to do things like:
Two shops a week instead of one
Pay for any deliveries of bought items
Hire a bigger car when going on holidays
Paying for expensive repairs and servicing
Feeling cramped and complaining that the cars are too small (duh!)
Several other things I can't think of at the moment
And generally buying overseas goods, which if manufacturing continues downward or even level like it is things will eventually cost a LOT more, imported or not. I'm not against importing goods, I'm just against EVERYTHING being imported. We CAN'T continue running a trade defecit, without strong mining due to CURRENTLY high raw material costs Australia would be in a nasty recession now.

Mitsubishi definately need to start exporting & having a MIVEC engine, and Holden & Ford need to look at making smaller vehicles based on the Commodore/Falcon platform.

i dont totally agree with you but i kinda agree with you on some pts

a lot of ppl only think about fuel economy when they purchase their car, they dont think about the whole cost associated with the car, like purchasing costs, you'll be amazed at how ppl will pay an extra 3-5k for a car that uses maybe $500-1000 less petrol a year.

Hopefully this once again raises the public's perception (and awareness) of the 380 and people actually realise that the 380 is a superior purchase when compared to the Commodore, Falcon or Camry. If you look at it, the 380 does have alot of things going for it now:
-Safest Australian Built Car
-Best Value Locally Built V6
-Australia's Most Secure Car (IT KILLED ANY OTHER OZZY CAR HERE!)
-The Best and Longest Factory Warranty
-Exceptional Build Quality
-More features in base model then competitors' product


Hopefully with more good press like this the 380 will continue to rise in sales and we can hopefully see a sales figure of more then 1,500 (sold) this month.

Where does it say that the 380 is the safest Austalian built car? The Falcon also scores 4 stars.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/25689D8EAA37CFEECA257194001A3C90

Where does it say that the 380 is the safest Austalian built car? The Falcon also scores 4 stars.

It say's this in the online article posted by "Diamante81" and it is also atop the article in today's Advertiser. I'm sure all other newscorp papers around the country would have had the same or similar wording among the title, deeming the 380 as the safest Australian built car (FACT!).

They are going by points, and why the win only may be marginal, a win is a win (hence, it doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile). In terms of something which could possibly prevent the loss of life any win is significant to deem one product safer over another.

Good to see the TJ ratings are crap

http://www.mynrma.com.au/magna_01_mitsubishimagna.asp


Good to see dave_au with more negatives about Mitsubishi Magna and 380, even when they usually stretch and manipulate the truth to get his argumentative points of view across!

As ususal loves to add his negatives whenever someone has anything positive to add about Magna or 380. Do you really own a Magna dave_au, and remind us all why you bother posting on a Mitsubishi site (FOR MITSUBISHI FANS...YES FANS....with nothing good to ever add??????


A little clarification and correction on dave_au's misleading previous post.

The TJ Magna got a 3 star rating out of 5 in the 2001 NCAP test he is referring too.
Ford Falcon also scored 3 stars, Holden Commodore 3 stars, Toyota Camry 3 stars, and Toyota Avalon 3 stars in this exact same NCAP test. (see NRMA website for further details).

The TJ Magna does not offer 'crap' occupant protection, nor do these other big Aussies.
3 stars is a respectable score for a car of this era, with a floorpan and basic structure that date back to a 1996 release date, with design many years before that, as it is with the other cars tested at this time.

In real world results as recorded by Monash University accident research centre (highly respected world wide for their studies), where actual real life accidents are studied the TJ Magna, and previous/post model Magna's score highly for occupant safety. These test show results for accidents involving different cars, cars and objects, rollovers, etc. Experts rate these results as extremely important as they record accidents with real people involved, in everyday situations. Results that are invaluable, and that not even ANCAP can reproduce. (unless you want to volunteer dave_au????:)
Compare this to other car results recorded, especially most small cars, and your start to see the real picture.


Obviously you are normally better off in the most current model car, with all its up to date design and safety equipment, and this shows with the advances the 380 has made over Magna, as I am sure it does with alot of other current model cars.
But bare in mind that the vast majority of cars on Australian roads are over 12 years old.
TJ Magna's 3 stars NCAP rating, and Monash's good showing, suddenly don't look too shabby then.


Pity all car makers didn't value these core advances as much as Mitsubishi. Even the reviewers who have otherwise biasly bagged 380, have made comment on its apparent strength and build quality. Those same reviewers have been suspiciously quiet with some other car makers though....i.e. Holden introducing a Barina replacement that scores half the NCAP result of the previous model!!!

This is crap, not Magna, or 380!!!!!

Good to see dave_au with more negatives about Mitsubishi Magna and 380, even when they usually stretch and manipulate the truth to get his argumentative points of view across!

As ususal loves to add his negatives whenever someone has anything positive to add about Magna or 380. Do you really own a Magna dave_au, and remind us all why you bother posting on a Mitsubishi site (FOR MITSUBISHI FANS...YES FANS....with nothing good to ever add??????

What on earth is that outburst?

Are you getting me confused with Falcon Freak? I'm usually standing up for the 380, go and have a look at any 380 related post on Ford Forums.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=680917&postcount=52
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=680985&postcount=57

I own a Tj2 and donate to the forums which is something you have not done. I consider myself to be rather quite pro magna.

As for the Magnas results, forget about the 3 out of five stars and just consider the actual intrusions the car experiences into the passenger cabin. Obviously the Magna is held back because it's not a recent model, even for 2001. I don't recall saying that the other big four were any better, but seeing the conversation has gone done this path, lets have a look.

Looking at the actual points awarded per car for 2001:
Falcon 24.2/34
Holden 17.4/34
Camry 21.4/34
Magna 17.5/34

So its the third worse in the locals, just in front of commodore.

Now lets have a look at the 2003 points per car - when the TL was in effect with it's side airbags
Falcon: 27.27/37
Commodore: 26.37/37
Camry: 26.31/37
Magna:22.19/37

So whats changed? Well the TJ has now moved onto the TL and is the worst performing out of the Australian large cars. Furthermore, while the excuse can be used "but their newer cars", the VY commodore is still essentually the VT in architecture, the BA is still very similiar the the AU and the Camry is really the only new car there from the cars tested in 2000.

My concerns are focusing pretty much directly towards the passenger egress after an accident. If the front footwells are impacted as much as the Ancap tests say they would, then your probably going to have the front seat passenger and driver trapped in the vehicle, and then with the roof buckling, it would appear that the rear seat passengers would be trapped as well.

If your going to start to discredit ANCAP results with Monash results then you've just thrown the entire internationally accepted ratings system out the window.

I've been looking around the Monash University crash research test site and can't find the articles that your refering to in particular (I can really only find statistics of real crashes, as opposed to controlled test crashes on which a comparison of performance can be measured). Could you please post the article up if you can find it.

I think it's always refreshing to have at least some on this forum who are prepared to share their knowledgeable, informative, and logical points and ideals to a discussion/argument - rather than the usual "I hate u coz u hate 380 and i know this even tho i didnt look it up" kind of rubbish.

Let us all share our opinions people, but there's no need to get all hot under the collar and jump to conclusions.

As for the 380 this latest news is tremendous, and coupled with news that 380 has just been gonged as the cheapest aussie built car to run (when taking ALL expenses into consideration) equals thoroughly deserved recognition and credit for those good people at Tonsley Park.:clap:

Bloody hell I'm gonna get one!:D

Edit: ...when I can afford to, that is...:shifty:

Quote from dave_au:
****" If your going to start to discredit ANCAP results with Monash results then you've just thrown the entire internationally accepted ratings system out the window.
I've been looking around the Monash University crash research test site and can't find the articles that your refering to in particular (I can really only find statistics of real crashes, as opposed to controlled test crashes on which a comparison of performance can be measured). Could you please post the article up if you can find it."**** end




Im not dis-crediting the NCAP results, I am not sure where you got that from????
Don't put word's into my mouth:)
Re-read my post, and then the below data please.

The Monash University Accident Research Centre helps conduct NCAP tests in Australia!!!!! All I said was that whereas the NCAP results are conducted in a controlled enviroment using crash test dummies, and barriers, the Monash University real world results are compiled using actual accident's, involving vehicle on vehicle, vehicles of different shapes and sizes, roll overs, etc etc and with real life people driving. These results are very important, as are NCAP results. Monash also do other controlled enviroment tests, and Magna shows up very well in both.

Rest easy, your TJ rates very well!!!!

In other words you need to take both NCAP and the Monash tests into account when looking at a vehicles safety.
i.e the Toyota Yaris scores 4 stars in the NCAP tests, exactly the same as the 380.
Does this mean the Yaris is a safer car? Definately not, its just safe for its class.
If a 380 and Yaris are involved in a headon, side impact, rear ender etc which would you rather be in? In these instances pure physic's take over.....small car versus big car.
NCAP does not take these into account, as it would be impossible to simulate all scenario's in the lab. This is where Monash University Accident Research centre 'real' world results are important. No doubt in time real world results for Yaris and 380 will also be published by them.

Checkout:

http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/projects/crashworthiness.html

http://www.mynrma.com.au/used_safety_ratings.asp

http://www.mynrma.com.au/used_safety_ratings_lar.asp

This will explain the difference in specific detail between NCAP and real world ratings, and give results. Please read as well veradaboy if you are having a go at me, and referring to my previous post. I don't post unless there are facts to back it up, unlike some people:)

Apologies dave_au if I have confused you with falcon_freak, I may have been a bit harsh, but you have been negative about Magna/380 in various posts.....