Thought I'd better share the joy at the delivery on my new "twins" with all of you out there :badgrin: .

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:think: maybe it was these twins I wanted to show off:

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Nahh......... who needs those things HAHAHAHAhahaha

Unfortunately I got home 20mins to late this afternoon to take delivery of my manifolds off Dave - so they'll be re-delivered tomorrow.

I'll be ringing my mechanic tomorrow to confirm it's okay to drop the car in next week for installation.

I'd like to say a big thank you to Possie from Phillcom, Dave from RPW, my partner for being the most understanding woman in the universe, and Meh for always posting pics of his latest mod 24hrs before I get a chance to post pics of mine :rant: .

*sits back and waits for the "experts" to post up about how crap Garrett turbos are, and how spending money modding a magna is the biggest waste of cash imaginable*

Anyone with constructive critism, genuine questions, or just wanting to massage my ego is welcome to post up.

about time haha

sif my posting just beats u. i bet u sit back n wait for me to post :bowrofl:

are u doin any of the work yurself or getting them to do it all ?

****en awesome man :thumbsup: ! :D

Pfft... sif turbo a magna.. what for... its FWD!!! hahahahaha

J/k buddy. Good stuff. Can't wait to see the beast in action. Looks like i need to start doing some things on my caughing dragon... :(

about time haha

sif my posting just beats u. i bet u sit back n wait for me to post :bowrofl:

are u doin any of the work yurself or getting them to do it all ?

I'm gonna leave it all up to the workshop from here (sif spending the last 4 weeks shopping around for the bits myself wasn't enough work lol ). As far as installation goes, I'm getting manifolds and dump pipes from RPW, so that side of things should be a breeze. Intake piping and intercooler etc as well as fuel system will all have to be custom.

I'll pop in once in a while to take photos :D

Oh yummie, i like twins, those are even better then the female variety ;)

Dyno'ing it straight after??

****en awesome man :thumbsup: ! :D

Thanks mate. I'm pretty excited about it.


Pfft... sif turbo a magna.. what for... its FWD!!! hahahahaha

J/k buddy. Good stuff. Can't wait to see the beast in action. Looks like i need to start doing some things on my caughing dragon... :(

Thanks E!!! Yeah - who'd want all that power thru the front wheels, have enough trouble with traction as it is lol .

*sits back and waits for the "experts" to post up about how crap Garrett turbos are, and how spending money modding a magna is the biggest waste of cash imaginable*

Garrett's are crap, and why would you waste all your cash on a magna????

Dude good luck with the project hope not too many speed humps and pot holes get in your way

Oh yummie, i like twins, those are even better then the female variety ;)

Dyno'ing it straight after??

Cheers Brett.

Yeah - dyno'ing will all be part of the installation / tuning.

Don't really know what sort of power to expect but I'm sure it will be noticable :confused:

Garrett's are crap, and why would you waste all your cash on a magna????

Dude good luck with the project hope not too many speed humps and pot holes get in your way

hahaha smart *** :D

Cheers Jase. Hopefully the project will go fairly smoothly. I've done a fair bit of research, spoken to the people who've done this before, passed all the info I've gathered back to the mechanic who'll be building it for me, and he's confident that he can do it. Not to mention he's produced some very tuff cars - so I have alot of faith in his ability.

I imagine there's approximately 500-600 active members who are now jealous of you, just over 5,500 members (some gone) who would have loved to do this to their Magna and about 10 who know by experience what your doing to your Magna.
I for one, am one of the jealous ones :cool:

Good luck mate - lookin' forward to more update posts from you.

What are the specs on the Garretts? Did you determine what you have to do to the fuel system? Oh and good luck.

Mmmmmmm yum... how long till you're on the road?

Puck:
My intention wasn't to make people jealous, infact I've tried very hard not to mention anything about my plans until I was 100% sure it was gonna go ahead....... and getting the turbos was a pretty good indication that it was all gonna happen. Thanks for the support, and I will definetly keep AMC posted on what happens.

Greenmatt:
The turbos are GT28 Ball bearing turbos with 0.64 exhaust housings (GT28RS's would have been nice - but wanted to keep the cost down abit in the turbine department). Not 100% sure on the fuelling yet, I've got a feeling we will see how much boost we can run on the stock sytem first, and go from there. More than likely will end up with 390cc injectors, upgraded fuel pump and possibly a surge tank setup. (already have FPR for those that are wondering)

Piv:
The workshop 'quoted' about 4 weeks to get it up and running - but that was when we were talking about doing a "big single" setup, which would have been 100% custom. Ended up going the TT option mainly so I could take advantage of RPW's manifold and dump pipe development. At a guess, I'm gonna say that not having to fabricate manifolds and dump pipes will cut at least a week out of the lead time. Thankfully I will have unrestricted access to another family members car while they are overseas until the end of August....... so as long as it's ready by then I'll be happy.


** edit: BTW - will have a set of RPW race headers, HPC coated (headers and flex pipe section) up for sale as soon as they are off the car, which will probably be next week. Prefer S.E. QLD buyer, so PM if you're interested **

May I ask...how much?

*scratches chin*

The twins obviously take after their father ;)
I just had to rate those twins a 10...hotter than the Olsen twins i reckon.

holy crap man...so jealous.....how mcuh about are you lookin at for such a job?

lol....

Was waiting for the "how much $$$$" questions.

As you've probably gathered, I'm not doing any of the work myself........ which is what you have to do if you want a "cheap" turbo build up. At this stage total pricing is just estimated, because as you can imagine it is impossible to accurately quote on something that you've never done before.

The two turbos are worth approx. $1250ea (but Shawn from Phillcom got me a good price). The manifolds and dump pipes from RPW are worth about $1500 (which is probably cheaper than I could have got custom manifolds/dump for a "big single" application). I've also pre purchased an oil and water line kit from RPW @ approx $550 and about $300 worth of various gaskets, nuts, bolts, studs etc.

Everything else, including intercooler, intake piping, BOV, fuelling, tuning and installation will be additional and I wouldn't even hazard a guess at what all that's gonna add up to.

lol....

Was waiting for the "how much $$$$" questions.

As you've probably gathered, I'm not doing any of the work myself........ which is what you have to do if you want a "cheap" turbo build up. At this stage total pricing is just estimated, because as you can imagine it is impossible to accurately quote on something that you've never done before.

The two turbos are worth approx. $1250ea (but Shawn from Phillcom got me a good price). The manifolds and dump pipes from RPW are worth about $1500 (which is probably cheaper than I could have got custom manifolds/dump for a "big single" application). I've also pre purchased an oil and water line kit from RPW @ approx $550 and about $300 worth of various gaskets, nuts, bolts, studs etc.

Everything else, including intercooler, intake piping, BOV, fuelling, tuning and installation will be additional and I wouldn't even hazard a guess at what all that's gonna add up to.

wow, that that so far is just like half the equipment! ecu, tuning, dyno's, exhaust, brake upgrades etc etc...wow i'd like to see progress on this thing!!!

maybe you'll motivate me to turn up to cruises more often :P My 3L auto will give u a run for your money :gtfo:

I think it'll be awesome, be sure to post progress pics!

wow, that that so far is just like half the equipment! ecu, tuning, dyno's, exhaust, brake upgrades etc etc...wow i'd like to see progress on this thing!!!

ECU I already have, as well as Fuel Pressure Reg., so that's about $1,200 - $1,500+ worth of mods I don't have to worry about. Brakes (although not compulsory) are already moderately upgraded (slotted / drilled std diameter rotors), and I'm sitting on a set of AWD calipers, just waiting for Al to finalise his RDA group buy. Believe it or not - exhaust is pretty low on my list of priorities, chances are I will end up leaving my 2.5" cat back system on for a while. I'm more worried about making sure the drive train can handle it - which means clutch, flywheel and LSD.


maybe you'll motivate me to turn up to cruises more often :P My 3L auto will give u a run for your money

That'd require me to turn up on cruises :doubt: . To their credit, the QMD reps do a fantastic job, and the car will no doubt be out and about during MM06, and hopefully most of the "show and shine" events the guys ask me to participate in.

As for your lil' 3L auto beating me....... I can assure you - I'm not much of a 'boy-racer' :redface: .


Ohhh and I haven't mentioned the best bit yet............ my insurance won't be effected :shock: . According to Justcar - going twin turbo won't effect my policy anymore than the mods I already have listed with them...............:confused:

that is king **** man, finally someone doing the twin setup instead of the boring supercharger setup

farout, i want twin setup in my putt putt :cry:

when its ready enjoy it, rip the streets up, do it for the club

that is king **** man, finally someone doing the twin setup instead of the boring supercharger setup



To my knowledge, there are two other twin turbo 3.5L magnas in the country - but I'll try and confirm that with David from RPW. So while it's not going to be the first one ever (first one done in QLD, or at least Brisbane AFAIK, is what I was referring to earlier), it will still be reasonably unique.

Oh and I wouldn't exactly call a supercharger setup boring :bowrofl: , I looked very seriously at going down that path before deciding on a single turbo..... then changing my mind again and deciding to go twin lol

Mmmm.. nice..

They even look like you..:P

Man that is gonna be a ****ing beast. Keept it nice and stock looking! (The car that is) I am so jealous as this was something I was going to do a while ago then decided against it in order to buy an Evo, I even had the missus convinced to get the loan and everything! My hat is off to you and I wish you all the very best mate. Btw, are you getting it done at Bob Romano?

Man that is gonna be a ****ing beast. Keep it nice and stock looking!

The plan is to keep the FMIC behind the factory grill (we'll see how it goes), and BOV will be plumb-back. Should make it pretty hard to pick that it's turbo'd.


My hat is off to you and I wish you all the very best mate. Btw, are you getting it done at Bob Romano?

Cheers mate. A workshop by the name of 101-motorcafe at Slacks Creek will be building it. They're pretty low-profile and probably never worked on a Magna before I showed up on their door step in about september last year looking for someone to install an emanage, but they've done the labour on every major mod to my car since then, and the caliber of the cars on their hoists everytime I go in there is extremely high.

I believe "Sports" had spoken to Bob Romano about doing something similar to his car...... before he apparently decided to buy an Evo instead....... what is it with you sell outs lol

Wow dude, cant wait to see the progress and the finished product.... Dibs a shotgun ride....lol

I know the guy that owns 101, i know they will look after ya!!

Daz

Wow dude, cant wait to see the progress and the finished product.... Dibs a shotgun ride....lol

I know the guy that owns 101, i know they will look after ya!!

Daz

Who owns it??? is it Rob, or William (or both)? I've mainly delt with Rob, infact he suggested to me that I should turbo the car after I took the manual to him for tuning.

So it's all his fault :bowrofl:

Who owns it??? is it Rob, or William (or both)? I've mainly delt with Rob, infact he suggested to me that I should turbo the car after I took the manual to him for tuning.

So it's all his fault :bowrofl:

Rob, the indian guy. Hes got a awesome 180.. Really nice dude, used to own/part own millenium. He's more like an aquantence (if thats how ya spell it)

Looking good BB. Looks like my days near the top of the AMC power tree are really numbered :cry:

Rob, the indian guy. Hes got a awesome 180.. Really nice dude, used to own/part own millenium. He's more like an aquantence (if thats how ya spell it)

Nah - the Rob I'm talking about isn't indian. And he owns the red NSX in the front corner of the workshop (apparently soon to be the home of a HKS T04Z :shock: ) He's abit older than the guy you're talking about, and has always been the one that's given me the quotes when I go in there / phone them, so I just assumed he was probably in charge :confused: .

Looking good BB. Looks like my days near the top of the AMC power tree are really numbered :cry:

Mate - you and Jason will always be the poineers of the Hi-Po aspirated 6G74. I'll be "just another boosted magna" in the crowd :D . Like I said earlier, I looked very long and hard at going down the Sprintex track, and I looked equally long and hard at following in your footsteps.

At the end of the day - my eventual power figures can't be compared to yours or Jasons and I'll always be living in the shadow of Mitsiman and Velocity (whatever happened to him???) lol , and you'll have the fastest Magna in the entire Darwin area for a while to come I think, so just let me enjoy having the fastest magna in the entire Brisbane area for a while :cool:

I imagine there's approximately 500-600 active members who are now jealous of you, just over 5,500 members (some gone) who would have loved to do this to their Magna and about 10 who know by experience what your doing to your Magna.
I for one, am one of the jealous ones :cool:
Turn it up, as if there's 500 active members let alone being suddenly jelous.

Anyway, good luck Mr Beard

!!! good luck with the install ! those turbo's look so good

promise to go to willowbank when it's ready!

good to hear mike. may the force be with u......and its a twin forcefed as well:think: my scooby wont be a match to urs now:badgrin:

Bob Romano wants $1800 drive in drive out for the Haltech Interceptor with a 2 bar map sensor and a few other things. I thought that was a bloody great price. Oh and with the EVO thing, my magna will still probably get turbo charged, just after I've paid it off, I woke up to my self about that little detail. Probably get a 380 VRX as my day car to.

wow..... i like.

what ecu are you using? full replacement or piggyback (greddy e-manage)?

wow..... i like.

what ecu are you using? full replacement or piggyback (greddy e-manage)?

Will be utilising the G-Reddy E-manage already in the car. If it's good enough for a sub 12 second magna, then it's good enough for me.......... I'll be happy with low 13's :redface: .

Not to mention it will be nice to retain things like tacho, cruise control etc. :D

The plan is to keep the FMIC behind the factory grill (we'll see how it goes), and BOV will be plumb-back. Should make it pretty hard to pick that it's turbo'd.



Cheers mate. A workshop by the name of 101-motorcafe at Slacks Creek will be building it. They're pretty low-profile and probably never worked on a Magna before I showed up on their door step in about september last year looking for someone to install an emanage, but they've done the labour on every major mod to my car since then, and the caliber of the cars on their hoists everytime I go in there is extremely high.

I believe "Sports" had spoken to Bob Romano about doing something similar to his car...... before he apparently decided to buy an Evo instead....... what is it with you sell outs lol
Ah ok, nice. You need to keep us updated with progress (i'm talkin pics!!) along the way! If you need anything man, let me know... More trade prices, anything. Of course it'll cost you a drive when the car is done. :P

Ah ok, nice. You need to keep us updated with progress (i'm talkin pics!!) along the way! If you need anything man, let me know... More trade prices, anything. Of course it'll cost you a drive when the car is done. :P

Really?? Anything????

Give me the LSD out of your ralliart and I'll let you have a drive of it :cool: .







.......worth a try.......

Really?? Anything????

Give me the LSD out of your ralliart and I'll let you have a drive of it :cool: .







.......worth a try.......
Ahaha. I'll swap you LSD for the twins?

........Worth a try........

:P

Bob Romano wants $1800 drive in drive out for the Haltech Interceptor with a 2 bar map sensor and a few other things. I thought that was a bloody great price. Oh and with the EVO thing, my magna will still probably get turbo charged, just after I've paid it off, I woke up to my self about that little detail. Probably get a 380 VRX as my day car to.
What's a MAP sensor worth? That doesn't sound that cheap considering the Interceptor isn't worth half that price.

What's a MAP sensor worth? That doesn't sound that cheap considering the Interceptor isn't worth half that price.
Interceptor is worth $1000. Well according to RPW anyway.

Ahaha. I'll swap you LSD for the twins?

........Worth a try........

:P

:think: hmmmmmm...... Genuine Ralliart LSD's worth more than the turbos.

Think I'll pass though :cool:

good to see another magna going for big power.

so how about letting us in on the ideas you had from hight powered NA motor, S/C, single then to twin. what was it that made you go TT.

so how about letting us in on the ideas you had from hight powered NA motor, S/C, single then to twin. what was it that made you go TT.

My research led me to the conclusion that Hi-Po N/A was going to cost about $5-6000 in parts alone (thats cams, pistons, head work, throttle body etc) and by all accounts - labour would come it at min $2500-3000. Cost vs potential power output wise it's not extremely attractive. Bragging rights and the chance to have one of the quickest "true" NA magnas around is another thing, but in the end I decided against it.

Sprintex is the only S/C option I investigated. There would be too much development cost involved in trying to get another brand S/C involved. Things I didn't like about the Sprintex option include: unable to retain my G-Reddy emanage, unable to increase boost above the standard setting (I'm pretty sure they told me it only produces 4psi..... but don't quote me on that).

As stated previously - Rob from 101 (the guy who will be building the car), originally suggested putting it on boost earlier this year. Just knowing that he would be willing to do it was pretty good motivation to look into it further. A couple of months ago when I decided to go ahead with it - I went and spoke to him, and "fleshed out" a plan for a big single turbo install. The biggest benefit we saw of a big single vs. either S/C or TT was the inherent "lag" of such a system would benefit "off the line" traction. In working out rough prices of the single turbo setup - it was estimated that fabrication of the manifolds and dump pipe would cost between $1500-2000.

In a subsequent conversation with David from RPW, Dave mentioned that his TT manifolds are approx $1000 + $500 for the dump pipe. This made me think that TT might be worth having a look at (hadn't really given it much consideration previously because mistakenly thought 1 big turbo would be alot cheaper than 2 small turbos). When I told Rob that I could get the manifolds and dump pipe from RPW, he pretty much made the decision for me, "that's what I'd prefer to do" were his exact words IIRC.

Hope that explains the thought process. Not saying it's nessecarily the best way - it's just the way I ended up going.

Cheers.

Interceptor is worth $1000. Well according to RPW anyway.
My invoice says otherwise ;)

Actually, it's probably not a bad price but there's always potentially a few extras that will be thrown in causing it to blow out. I had a compression test and an injector test and that identified a crook injector. All up it cost probably a third more than expected but it was better to spend the money and fix the issues now.

My research led me to the conclusion that Hi-Po N/A was going to cost about $5-6000 in parts alone (thats cams, pistons, head work, throttle body etc) and by all accounts - labour would come it at min $2500-3000. Cost vs potential power output wise it's not extremely attractive. Bragging rights and the chance to have one of the quickest "true" NA magnas around is another thing, but in the end I decided against it.

Sprintex is the only S/C option I investigated. There would be too much development cost involved in trying to get another brand S/C involved. Things I didn't like about the Sprintex option include: unable to retain my G-Reddy emanage, unable to increase boost above the standard setting (I'm pretty sure they told me it only produces 4psi..... but don't quote me on that).

As stated previously - Rob from 101 (the guy who will be building the car), originally suggested putting it on boost earlier this year. Just knowing that he would be willing to do it was pretty good motivation to look into it further. A couple of months ago when I decided to go ahead with it - I went and spoke to him, and "fleshed out" a plan for a big single turbo install. The biggest benefit we saw of a big single vs. either S/C or TT was the inherent "lag" of such a system would benefit "off the line" traction. In working out rough prices of the single turbo setup - it was estimated that fabrication of the manifolds and dump pipe would cost between $1500-2000.

In a subsequent conversation with David from RPW, Dave mentioned that his TT manifolds are approx $1000 + $500 for the dump pipe. This made me think that TT might be worth having a look at (hadn't really given it much consideration previously because mistakenly thought 1 big turbo would be alot cheaper than 2 small turbos). When I told Rob that I could get the manifolds and dump pipe from RPW, he pretty much made the decision for me, "that's what I'd prefer to do" were his exact words IIRC.

Hope that explains the thought process. Not saying it's nessecarily the best way - it's just the way I ended up going.

Cheers.

yeah thanks, seems like the right idea to me. the more custom stuff you got to do the more its got to cost.

will be interesting to see if traction in 1st gear is possible at all, and not forgetting 2nd. oh well maybe 3rd gear for traction. sounds cool

will be interesting to see if traction in 1st gear is possible at all, and not forgetting 2nd. oh well maybe 3rd gear for traction. sounds cool
Dave and Adam's cars are more than drivable so I can't see why not.

will be interesting to see if traction in 1st gear is possible at all, and not forgetting 2nd. oh well maybe 3rd gear for traction. sounds cool

According to Dave, his TT magna with 2x T28's comes on boost at around 1800rpm :shock: , but he's done extensive combustion chamber work, plus turbo grind cams - so I imagine that lets the engine flow better, which might let the turbos spool quicker.

Down the track I will look at getting one of the more "upmarket" boost controllers which allow different boost settings for different gears. With the help of a boost guage I should be able to determine which PSI = the limit of traction on street tyres in each gear, then setup the boost controller based on that.

Dave and Adam's cars are more than drivable so I can't see why not.

You are right. Traction will always be possible - it just requires greater throttle control. But Dave has advised me that maintaining traction in first gear is "challenging"*.

* - not his exact words, but you get the idea :cool:

My car will break traction in 1st gear. And I'm not talking about doing a high RPM launch and spinning the wheels from a stand still. If I cruise gently up to 40 in 1st and then floor it it'll spin all the way to 70.

So Dave must have a blast lol I've only got 215/60 Yokohama C-Drive tyres though so wider/better rubber will behave differently.

But Dave has advised me that maintaining traction in first gear is "challenging"*.

* - not his exact words, but you get the idea :cool:

get em on the rollin start lol
racing doesnt have to involve 1st :cool:

My car will break traction in 1st gear. And I'm not talking about doing a high RPM launch and spinning the wheels from a stand still. If I cruise gently up to 40 in 1st and then floor it it'll spin all the way to 70.

So Dave must have a blast lol I've only got 215/60 Yokohama C-Drive tyres though so wider/better rubber will behave differently.

Mine used to break traction abit in 1st if I floored it once rolling - that was on 225/R17's. So I can imagine the fun you have with 215's :shock: . Got 235/R18's on the car now and it behaves much better.

Dave and Adam's cars are more than drivable so I can't see why not.


yeah well most powerfull cars can drive, but to drive them quickly would be another thing. not saying they can't do it, but still would be a bit harder.

just being FWD and powerful, wouldn't take a much power over standard to make traction harder to get, even in a standard ralliart breaking traction in 1st is easy. but you would get use to it.

i wish i had the money for a TT set up

Mine used to break traction abit in 1st if I floored it once rolling - that was on 225/R17's. So I can imagine the fun you have with 215's :shock: . Got 235/R18's on the car now and it behaves much better.

new wheels with 235 tyres on order as we speak :badgrin:

...so wider/better rubber will behave differently.
Unless you're in the wet :D


get em on the rollin start lol
racing doesnt have to involve 1st :cool:
Very true. Just drive in 2nd and upwards. Apparently a Dodge Viper is quite drivable using only 2nd and 3rd.

Very true. Just drive in 2nd and upwards. Apparently a Dodge Viper is quite drivable using only 2nd and 3rd.

I'd believe that....... a guy I previously worked under took me for a drive in his 06' "295" Clubsport with 6spd manual earlier this year. He took great joy in pointing out that he could drive around in 4th gear all day long. The thing pulled with authority from any RPM. Pitty it was a holden lol .

Sorry, I shouldn't say those things :redface:

all i have to say is **** you mike; looks like we'll be hitting up willowbank around the same time then..... I hate these things that make me wanna mod my car more, im stopping now

ps * might be a lil jealous

So how much are you going to spend all up approximatley?

So how much are you going to spend all up approximatley?

Up to ~ $4,500 already. That does not include:

FMIC
BOV
Intake Piping
Fuel Pump
Fuel Reg (already have)
Fuel Injectors
ECU (already have)
Labour
Tuning

If you've made some enquiries into a turbo build up - you should have a pretty good idea how much the above will cost. Actually - looking back over that list, it looks worse than it is. I've already got the most expensive bits.

Man good luck with it, I demand video and pics and sound clips :bowrofl:

I think everyone would love to go Forced Induction. The only problem is that its such a large lump of money in such a short period of time, where as NA can be done over time spending a little bit here and there.

What exactly is needed for a complete twin turbo setup?

Turbo's (obviously)
Manifold
Dump Pipe(S)
BOV
Intercooler (Absolutely neccesery or just a 'good idea')??
Various Lines, Nuts and Bolts
Stronger fuel Pump
Better injectors (again, 100% needed?)

What am I missing?

It's great to see people actually putting these mdos into practice rather than jsut posting a wish list. well done mate, i wanna see that thing down the quater :P

Man good luck with it, I demand video and pics and sound clips :bowrofl:

I think everyone would love to go Forced Induction. The only problem is that its such a large lump of money in such a short period of time, where as NA can be done over time spending a little bit here and there.

Not really once you get down to the business end of a hi output NA application. I've already spend $4000 odd on performance mods (estimate)...... those are the kind you can do in dribs and drabs. For me to go forward now to the level of say cthulhu, the most economic way would have been to do cams, cam gears, headwork, all at the same time (otherwise you're doubling up on certain labour costs), and while you're going that far, you might as well chuck in the hi comp pistons too. So as far as I'm concerned....... there is only a certain level you can reach with NA power (which I'm at now), and then to go forward from there involves substantial outlay. Others may disagree.



What exactly is needed for a complete twin turbo setup?

Turbo's (obviously) - Yep
Manifold - yep
Dump Pipe(S) - yep
BOV - yep (and by all accounts must be "Plumb back" style)
Intercooler (Absolutely neccesery or just a 'good idea')?? - necessary
Various Lines, Nuts and Bolts and gaskets - yep
Stronger fuel Pump - will get back to you, but 99% certain it won't be up to the task
Better injectors (again, 100% needed?) - will get back to you, some ppl say std 3.5L injectors might be up to the task of a 7psi application

What am I missing?
Piggyback or full replacement ECU..... possibly other things, but I think that covers it. A 3" Cat back exhaust is highly recommended to let it breath properly, and a boost controller of some description and turbo timer are worthwhile too.

It's great to see people actually putting these mdos into practice rather than jsut posting a wish list. well done mate, i wanna see that thing down the quater :P

I didn't want to be seen as "one of those people", which is why I didn't start posting "I'm gonna build a fully sick turbo/supercharged/hi output NA magna" threads nearly 2 months ago when the whole process started. :cool:

I'm sure the few people who I did mention it too probably didn't believe it because so many people say things and never do it :confused:

I didn't want to be seen as "one of those people", which is why I didn't start posting "I'm gonna build a fully sick turbo/supercharged/hi output NA magna" threads nearly 2 months ago when the whole process started. :cool:

I'm sure the few people who I did mention it too probably didn't believe it because so many people say things and never do it :confused:
hahaha like erik's im gonna buy a car in 3 years threads

hahaha like erik's im gonna buy a car in 3 years threads


:bowrofl: :bowrofl: and weren't we all surprised when he actually did it lol

hahaha like erik's im gonna buy a car in 3 years threads

that was the best thing i had ever read, :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

but good on him for getting the car.

BB - you have to at least get a hybrid bov, it's half the fun of having a turbo... letting people know about it. Have it plumb back most the boost for day to day driving and let out a decent sneeze when you give it the boot :D

Nice, all I can say is Mwuhahahah.

BB - you have to at least get a hybrid bov, it's half the fun of having a turbo... letting people know about it. Have it plumb back most the boost for day to day driving and let out a decent sneeze when you give it the boot :D


yeah, they should make one which u can switch between atmo/plumb back from inside the cabin

edit...how do you actually swtich between the two? twist something, turn a lever? maybe you could grab a little servo or something and control that from the cabin :D

yeah, they should make one which u can switch between atmo/plumb back from in the cabin

They do........ probably costs 4 times as much as the ones that are switched manually.

They do........ probably costs 4 times as much as the ones that are switched manually.

So does this mean theres any chance of hearing a sneezing magna at all? C'monnnnnnn....

How much is this gunna cost.... just the twins cost and installed?

Nice project mate, good luck with it all. :thumbsup:

Any thoughts about changing the pistons? According to RPW, the top ring lands are really weak on the 3.5L as compared to the 3.0L.

I think your projected boost was 7psi (correct me if I'm wrong), but will you be tempted to ramp that up eventually?:badgrin:

Any thoughts about changing the pistons? According to RPW, the top ring lands are really weak on the 3.5L as compared to the 3.0L.

Hmmmm...... wasn't aware of that :confused: . My conversations with Dallas from Street torque gave the impression that the magna motors were nearly bullet proof. If I remember correctly - he described a 6g74 motor running 27psi with nothing but h/duty valve springs which he built for some form of buggy they race in the desert. I could be wrong though..... he might have been talking about a 6g72....... I know he tried to kill Ben's original 3L out of his car to no avail.


I think your projected boost was 7psi (correct me if I'm wrong), but will you be tempted to ramp that up eventually?:badgrin:

Yeah - initial tune will be on 7psi. Will I be tempted to turn it up? sure, but I don't intend to boost more than 1/2 an atmosphere on stock internals.

mike mike mike................mike mike mike mike mike mike mike ................

your definately an action man...

looks like you've definately reseached this like a mofo... congrads on getting the TT....

hope theres no hiccups and it all goes smoothly!!!
:cool:

Sorry Black Beard, I may have misinterpreted the situation. :redface:

Mitsiman cracked his pistons due to a lean-out caused by the fuel pump, as detailed in his thread about his TT buildup.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=682&referrerid=708

"Unfortuanatly the previous detonation from the fuel pump maxing out damaged the ring glands and after a quick run - cracked several pistons and thus no compression."

Still might pay to research this though, as I'm sure there is a piston issue.:confused:

Hope I'm wrong, I just want this to work out for you and consequently thinking of worst case scenarios. :D

just curious as to why it must have a plumb back bov, why not a normal one??? or is that a normal one and the other noisy ones not so normal. or have i lost the plot completley and need reeducation??

i'm pretty sure noisy blow off valves, are purely wank factor... in fact doesnt a plumb back help maintain boost pressure during gear changes or something?

as detailed in his thread about his TT buildup.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=682&referrerid=708

Hope I'm wrong, I just want this to work out for you and consequently thinking of worst case scenarios. :D

Would you believe I hadn't actually read that thread (I was aware of the damage David did to his pistons due to the fuel pump limitation however). There's some good stuff in there, particularly the info about baffling in the sump to stop oil surge into the front turbo :confused: .

Interestingly there is no mention made of injectors, which in conversations I've had with David, he claims they will stop me getting to "2psi of boost".

I'm also interested to know how much pressure they put on the car to do that much damage from "lean out"........ you'd think that with the car on a dyno (possibly with a 2ndary air/fuel meter being utilised) + the emanage, that they would have picked up that it was leaning out dangerously straight away and shut it down.

i'm pretty sure noisy blow off valves, are purely wank factor... in fact doesnt a plumb back help maintain boost pressure during gear changes or something?

umm im not sure either but with the plumb back style aren't excess pressurized gases returned to somewhere... haha yes im expert but yeah i thought the wank style were minutely better expelling the pressurized air into the atmosphere (illegal).... otherwise they'd have never been design or manufactured plus theyre fully sick. To know --> what do race car's use??

umm im not sure either but with the plumb back style aren't excess pressurized gases returned to somewhere... haha yes im expert but yeah i thought the wank style were minutely better expelling the pressurized air into the atmosphere (illegal).... otherwise they'd have never been design or manufactured plus theyre fully sick. To know --> what do race car's use??

There appears to be 2 schools of thought on it. I believe plumb back keeps the pressure in the intake system, just not 100% on how it achieves this, and it's obvious what venting to atmosphere BOV's do. Either way - apparently plumb back is the way to go on MAF equipped cars which is why I mentioned it earlier, but I've got a feeling there isn't much price difference between venting/hybrid/plumb back in the GFB range at least - so I might end up with a hybrid just because that's what was on the shelf. Personally I'm not a fan of sneezing cars :shock:

There appears to be 2 schools of thought on it. I believe plumb back keeps the pressure in the intake system, just not 100% on how it achieves this, and it's obvious what venting to atmosphere BOV's do. Either way - apparently plumb back is the way to go on MAF equipped cars which is why I mentioned it earlier, but I've got a feeling there isn't much price difference between venting/hybrid/plumb back in the GFB range at least - so I might end up with a hybrid just because that's what was on the shelf. Personally I'm not a fan of sneezing cars :shock:

yeah i got a feeling on some cars the GFB one is good if you want soud and it is also plumb back, as with out the plumb back it can lean the car out or make it rich or something like that. i remember reading it years ago

well in a rex if u dont plumb it back using stock tmic it runs sluggish coz its losing pressure. and believe me if u dont plumb it back u might as well be a smoker then inhaling monoxides:think:

The stuff on order from RPW turned up last week also. Car is booked to go into the workshop on Wednesday the 28th June.

Here's a little pic that gives an idea of what's going to be going on under the hood:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2003/p10102416if.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10102416if.jpg)

Later.

where abouts at slacks crek are they ?? hrmmm might call past and se a tt magna one day :-p be a good way to check the car out and drop some catalouges off :D

Here's a little pic that gives an idea of what's going to be going on under the hood:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2003/p10102416if.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10102416if.jpg)

Later.
Pfft, is that all you got? :bowrofl:

Pfft, is that all you got? :bowrofl:

You better not be knocking my fully sick 18's b*tch!!!! :bowrofl:

is there a sticker on your front bumper i see???

Here's some info on how BOV's work and why they are used. This is from 21st Century Performance by Julian Edgar*. (If you want to learn about moding cars then this is an awesome book, check it out :cool: )

Blow off valves are valves that are plumbed between the turbo compressor outlet and the throttle body. They are triggered by a plenum chamber vacuum, opening when a certain amount of vacuum is sensed...

A blow-off valve prevents the pressure buildup that occurs in front of the trottle when the throttle is snapped shut. This is said to be a good thing because:
1. It allows the turbo to freewheel, rather than blowing air into a blocked tube. This means that when the throttle is again opened there is less lag.
2. It reduces the possibility of a compressor surge.

Blow-off valves can be plumbed so they either vent to the atmosphere or recirculate the air to the turbo compressor inlet. All OEM blow-off valves take the latter aproach, while nearly all aftermarket installations vent the valve to the atmosphere. The reason the latter is done is that a pssshht! noise is created whenever the valve operates... Some people like this.

The performance implications to fitting a blow-off valve are minimal-most large valves(expensive or otherwise) do nothing to make a normal turbo car either faster or more reliable. To explain why this is the case, a number of points need to be made. Firts, manufacturers fit recirculating blow-off valves to their turbo cars to reduce noise. If the throttle is shut quickly on a car not equipped with a blow-off valve, a high pitched resonating noise will be created. This detracts from the aura of an expensive car, so manufacturers fit a blow-off valve to reduce this.

Second, airflow meters are very susceptible to measuring errors if the air does anything but flow through smoothly in one direction. If the throttle is shut suddenly(and there is no blow-off valve present) the turbo compressor will cease to flow air. The rush of the column of air through the airflow meter and the induction pipe to the turbo will suddenly stop, causing some reversion pulses to pass back through the airflow meter in the opposite direction to normal flow. The airflow meter will read this as a greater airflow than is actually occuring. If a recirculating blow-off valve is fitted that redirects the air into the compressor inlet after the airflow meter, this problem will not occur. This is the other reason manufacturers fit blow-off valves.
*(21st Century Performance, Julian Edgar, 2000, Clockwork Media, Australia)

is there a sticker on your front bumper i see???

Yes it's a sticker on the front bumper. Why do you ask?

@tommo: Thanks for that post.... interesting read :)

Yes it's a sticker on the front bumper. Why do you ask?

ohh just wanted to know what it was-thats all

I have a great deal of respect for blokes like Black Beard and cthulu.

Both make impressive power figures with their cars, and they both manage to control the urge to be a wanker about it! I'd like to think that if I had the money, and got to the level these guys are at with their mods, that I wouldnt be a wanker about it either.

These guys know their ****, and if for some reason they DON"T know some particular ****, they find out about that **** before talking about that ****. Yeah. Ahem.

Good luck with the install Black Beard!

:thumbsup:

I have a great deal of respect for blokes like Black Beard and cthulu.

Both make impressive power figures with their cars, and they both manage to control the urge to be a wanker about it! I'd like to think that if I had the money, and got to the level these guys are at with their mods, that I wouldnt be a wanker about it either.

These guys know their ****, and if for some reason they DON"T know some particular ****, they find out about that **** before talking about that ****. Yeah. Ahem.

Good luck with the install Black Beard!

:thumbsup:

Thanks very much for the kind words mate, and I noticed it's your Birthday today, so hope you've had a great day :thumbsup: .

Personally I don't think I'm in the same class as Brendan (cthulhu), he seems to have a hell of a lot more knowledge about our cars than I do...... but then he's probably been building his car longer than I have. To be honest, I wouldn't have the knowledge I do today without this forum and its members. I won't name names (there's too many people to name lol ), but to all those guys who have answered my many questions over the last 12 months or so, if I ever get the opportunity - I'll buy ya'll a beer!!!

Awww shucks.. lol

There's many many people on here who know lots more than I ever will about this stuff.. but it's fun learning. And it's definately worth the time to try and understand what you're doing to your car.

unreal mate I hope things go well expect alot of problems and going twin turbo just causes twice as much problems haha, Just reading brief man but you are going to have to replace alot of things and alot bigger injectors than what you think will work not to mention all the minor bits and pieces.
Budget for about 10k before its drives ok
What about the clutch, box, joints ect ect? compression pistons rings rods crank ecu ?

i'm pretty sure noisy blow off valves, are purely wank factor... in fact doesnt a plumb back help maintain boost pressure during gear changes or something?


Plumb back are fine till about 23 psi, then issues can occur holding boost and spikes ect mine are stock on both my vehicles

unreal mate I hope things go well expect alot of problems and going twin turbo just causes twice as much problems haha, Just reading brief man but you are going to have to replace alot of things and alot bigger injectors than what you think will work not to mention all the minor bits and pieces.
Budget for about 10k before its drives ok
What about the clutch, box, joints ect ect? compression pistons rings rods crank ecu ?

Depending on how much it all ends up costing, clutch and LSD might have to wait a few months, CV joints - well when they break, they break..... no biggie there. Internals will remain stock until something breaks or until I decide to boost more than half an atmosphere, which ever comes first. Tuning will be provided by the Greddy Emanage already installed in the car. The only things that are worrying me at this stage are fuelling (injectors are expensive little pricks) and a possible issue with oil surging into the front turbo (as described in one of Dave's posts about his car).

Fairly confident that I've budgeted enough time and money to see it through, if not, then you might see a bargain "unfinished twin turbo TJ" in the for sale section in a couple of months :shock: .

Attack the fuel system mate starving her will cause big problems
I'd get some nice 600cc injectors nice FPR and good pump im running 390cc on TR and they work well but on your setup bigger will proberly be needed.
You will burn the clutch quick so getting exedy heavy duty setup and light flywheel will be the way to go around the 1100 mark fitted or the extreme systems. Button would also be nice and tight but might drop the gearbox on the floor

Depending on how much it all ends up costing, clutch and LSD might have to wait a few months, CV joints - well when they break, they break..... no biggie there. Internals will remain stock until something breaks or until I decide to boost more than half an atmosphere, which ever comes first. Tuning will be provided by the Greddy Emanage already installed in the car. The only things that are worrying me at this stage are fuelling (injectors are expensive little pricks) and a possible issue with oil surging into the front turbo (as described in one of Dave's posts about his car).

Fairly confident that I've budgeted enough time and money to see it through, if not, then you might see a bargain "unfinished twin turbo TJ" in the for sale section in a couple of months :shock: .
goodluck with it all Black Beard.

Takes a brave or stupid person to stick 2 hairdryers in a magna..

Im pretty sure you arent stupid though :)

Look forward to the finished result.

Send me a pm about what type of injectors you want.. could probably get them alot cheaper than most places..

im running 390cc on TR and they work well but on your setup bigger will proberly be needed.
You will burn the clutch quick so getting exedy heavy duty setup and light flywheel will be the way to go around the 1100 mark fitted or the extreme systems. Button would also be nice and tight but might drop the gearbox on the floor

Yeah - I've been told 390cc are the minimum, but I get the impression injectors are like fuel pumps, the difference between moderately large upgraded ones and large, large upgraded ones isn't that big.

Won't be fitting a button clutch, as I have a rather "difficult" driveway.

@Bain

Hahahahaha, the Jury's still out on the case of "brave vs. stupid" :bowrofl: and I might just take you up on that offer of helping to source some injectors at a good price.

For the record, I packed all the gear into the car this afternoon after work in preparation for dropping it off at the workshop on Wednesday, so "stay tuned" because the real fun is about to begin :D .

Thanks very much for the kind words mate, and I noticed it's your Birthday today, so hope you've had a great day

Haha yeah cheers mate, had a lovely dinner with my girlfriend and family, and got lotsa cool ****.

****... this is going to be awesome... dying to see pics of the finished deal.... gives us all something to aspire to

Nice work!

Nice to see you've researched it well and put your money where your mouth is.

Can't understand why anyone would want to put forced induction on a Magna thoughlol


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Can't understand why anyone would want to put forced induction on a Magna thoughlol


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I think Bain summed that one up pretty well. You have to be either brave or stupid :P

I think Bain summed that one up pretty well. You have to be either brave or stupid :P
Or different ;)

Or different ;)




:stoopid:

or have alot of spare cash:P ... good luck with it all BB..

u doin any internal work ???

u doin any internal work ???

Only "internal" work will be in the sump.


initial tune will be on 7psi. Will I be tempted to turn it up? sure, but I don't intend to boost more than 1/2 an atmosphere on stock internals.


Internals will remain stock until something breaks or until I decide to boost more than half an atmosphere, which ever comes first.

Both Dallas from ST and Dave from RPW have confirmed that 7psi application will be sustainable on stock internals. Infact - was reading an old thread yesterday where Dave described plans to install a 10psi kit on a customers stock 3.0L auto (I interpretted "stock" to mean "stock internals"), wonder whatever happened to this car?.

so how much power u rekon u gonna get ?

so how much power u rekon u gonna get ?

I'll be happy with 210 at the treads.

KW or HP ?

KW or HP ?

nanowatts :D

nanowatts :D
pfft stop spamming go study
might b close between me n u then BB :D

KW or HP ?

kW..... all just speculation at the moment though.

kW..... all just speculation at the moment though.

nice work :D
im hoping for 200 with no gas