yeah found a cheap TR magna
- 5 speed manual
- 2.6L 4 cylinder
- Grey Metallic paint
- Immaculate interior
- Straight body
- 9 months Victorian Rego
- RWC
- New Tyres
- Head just rebuilt
- Regularly Serviced
- 2 previous owners
- 215000Km
got it for $2500...

i havnt herd anything good about the Engines or fuel economy :-(
but its a manual and 10l/100km is better that 16l/100km in my mont

The engines aren't too bad, if you are mechanically inclined the are very easy to repair and parts are cheap. Fuel economy...Well the fuel economy isn't as good as newer cars, but keep the engine in good condition and you should see 10-11L/100km.

TR Magna (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4651086443)

there a link what do you think of it???

I love the Ash-Black Magnas... so damn sexy.

Looks nice mate, and it's an SE!

very clean ride u have there.could be a real sleeper for the right amount :thumbsup:
the great thing about 2nd gens is that u have the dohv V6 option where as 3rd gens dont.
just have to search for one. killbilly did this to his but now he,s buying a tt galant vr4 mmm

very clean ride u have there.could be a real sleeper for the right amount :thumbsup:
the great thing about 2nd gens is that u have the dohv V6 option where as 3rd gens dont.
just have to search for one. killbilly did this to his but now he,s buying a tt galant vr4 mmm
Not so easy on a 4 cylinder though. Hardly worth it actually.

Just like I had an idea to transplant engines on my 1988 Hyundai Excel...
:bowrofl:

Oxidesed paint can be fixed with a swirl removal and polish, shouldnt set you back more then $200 ( if you want it done properly) (so that does the 1st two in the "bad points")
and to fix the badge is like what $30? (just get a new grille)

Gotta say that does look like a clean car!!!

you will miss the power of your falcon though :cry: these dont go anywhere near as hard...

Looks nice mate, and it's an SE!

so layit out for me what order does it go in...
iknow withfalcons it
GLI
Fairmont
Fairmont Ghia
Fairlane
Fairlane Ghia

and what extras does a SE have over say a Executive(i think thats it)

www.redbook.com.au compare the cars there

www.redbook.com.au compare the cars there
Optional Equipment: Alloy Wheels, Luxury Pack ........... Whats included in the Luxury Pack???

Optional Equipment: Alloy Wheels, Luxury Pack ........... Whats included in the Luxury Pack???
luxary pack is power windows, cruise, and centrol locking :D



and what extras does a SE have over say a Executive(i think thats it)
not alot just better looking seats and fabric, i think it had a/c standard and 4speaker stereo and red boot garnish, centre arm rest console thats about all

on the topic of extras ive got a ts executive "sports" and not sure what the extras are, as far as i can tell they are an airbag, abs brakes, maybe some other things cant remember right now, anyone know the differences for sure?

so layit out for me what order does it go in...
iknow withfalcons it
GLI
Fairmont
Fairmont Ghia
Fairlane
Fairlane Ghia

and what extras does a SE have over say a Executive(i think thats it)

u forgot futura! lol

SE also had a fancy clock, map lights and rear seat headrests.

so layit out for me what order does it go in...
iknow withfalcons it
GLI
Fairmont
Fairmont Ghia
Fairlane
Fairlane Ghia

and what extras does a SE have over say a Executive(i think thats it)
GLX
Executive
SE
Elite
Verada Ei
Verada xi

Not 100% sure what the SE had and what the Elite had over the SE. Basically i know the SE had a chrome front grill and the rear boot garnish you see in the pics.

Elite has climate control...

Elite has climate control...

Elite has climate control....

Elite has climate control....

I'm seeing double here, 8 Gas_Heds.

:bowrofl: you really got the point across man about the climate control! We know now!

did you know the elite had climate control?

Hey, sorry about the multiple posts, PC wasnt doing anything, so I kept clicking.....

......there is a 2nd Gen elite that parks near where I do every day, I have a look inside when Im walking past each morning....

luxary pack is power windows, cruise, and centrol locking :D

not alot just better looking seats and fabric, i think it had a/c standard and 4speaker stereo and red boot garnish, centre arm rest console thats about all

So is it posable to pick up like the power windows and cruise at a wreckers and put them in fairly easily...? (i know centrol locking is a easy $50 job these days)

elite also had a different (cursive) font on the speedo... i think it had 2 tone paint as well... and the verada steering wheel... and always had the 4cyl (TR's all had 4cyl right? except for the KR veradas)...

So is it posable to pick up like the power windows and cruise at a wreckers and put them in fairly easily...? (i know centrol locking is a easy $50 job these days)
yeh, i put the whole luxary pack on my gen1 of another gen1 (there pritty much the same as 2nd gens) everything bolts ups i just ran new wires for everything, i regret that now i should have just got the loom from a car with the luxary pack ahh well

edit: you might have a problem with the power windows where the actual window bolts up to the powerwindow arm i know 3rd gens have this prob and the rear of 1st gens do im not sure about 2nd gens if its a prob just means you have to buy the windows from the wreckers or break away the bracket from the window and reglue it on

and also the elite is just a xi rada with a astron, got all the funky things like alarm, steering wheel buttons for the stereo, stereo with equliser wood grain etcetc :D

TR's all had 4cyl right? except for the KR veradas...

I believe the TR was available in V6 aswell, but maybe not on the launch date, may have come a few months later??

did you know the elite had climate control?
Does it? Didn't know that :).

I believe the TR was available in V6 aswell, but maybe not on the launch date, may have come a few months later??
Correct, V6 wasn't available in the TR at launch date, but became available later on. Pretty sure in the 1993 release, as i've never seen a '92 V6 TR (doesn't mean it doesn't exist though!).

Elite has climate control

Elite has climate control

LIES!!

Correct, V6 wasn't available in the TR at launch date, but became available later on. Pretty sure in the 1993 release, as i've never seen a '92 V6 TR (doesn't mean it doesn't exist though!).

yep got introduced in 93.....damn im lucky my parents waited that extra year

']yep got introduced in 93.....damn im lucky my parents waited that extra year
you know the 3l isnt that much better, i see more 3l pissout smoke and tick more then the astron
and the astron is a **** load easyer to work on plus cheaper on rego not forget is as fast as a 3l, my astron thrashes a mates v6 2nd gen
the 3rd gen v6.. thats a different story way better then both

you know the 3l isnt that much better, i see more 3l pissout smoke and tick more then the astron
and the astron is a **** load easyer to work on plus cheaper on rego not forget is as fast as a 3l, my astron thrashes a mates v6 2nd gen
the 3rd gen v6.. thats a different story way better then both

agreed, a well maintained astron is quite quick... has to be behind a manual box though... my automatic gets up and boogies too... carby auto gen1 > auto v6 gen2 verada... it's been proven

gen2 are heavy cars

i also forgot to say im yet to hear a 2nd gen 3l sound any good, all the ones ive heard have that unique ****ty boxy noise, i mean the astron isnt that good either nothing tops an astron induction note wooahh yeh, and my mates 3l also doenst rev for **** very slow at reving, and when it hits high revs you dont feel any thing

.......nothing tops an astron induction note wooahh yeh, .......Nothing? :nuts: you must be kidding?

are the GEN 1s EFI???

i also forgot to say im yet to hear a 2nd gen 3l sound any good, all the ones ive heard have that unique ****ty boxy noise, i mean the astron isnt that good either nothing tops an astron induction note wooahh yeh, and my mates 3l also doenst rev for **** very slow at reving, and when it hits high revs you dont feel any thing

my car does piss out smoke, but will be getting fixed soon, and it doesnt make no ticking noises, and goes damn hard.
and ummmm when it hits high revs, boy, you feel it move, dunno what car you been in, but when mine goes to 5000, you feel it.

and back to my orginal comment, im WAY happier my folks got the V6 rather then the astron, i know a few people with the astron, and although they have good off the line go, above 4000rpm they HAVE F**K ALL.

so, you keep your astron, ill keep my 6, im quite happy with it and i know it will kill an astron.

are the GEN 1s EFI???

Some were carby, some were EFI, same as with the 2nd gens

hmmmm, 120kW V6 3.0L vs 2.6L ~90kW AND the 2.6 engine is heavier than the 3.0L. Id laugh if I saw a 3.0 get smashed by ANY 2.6 (except turbos etc).....

Cant comment on sound, but my 2.6 sounded sweet with a cannon on the back.....

hmmmm, 120kW V6 3.0L vs 2.6L ~90kW AND the 2.6 engine is heavier than the 3.0L. Id laugh if I saw a 3.0 get smashed by ANY 2.6 (except turbos etc).....

Cant comment on sound, but my 2.6 sounded sweet with a cannon on the back.....

hehe, 124Kw on premium ;)

and the 3.0L isnt asthmatic in higher revs....

hmmmm, 120kW V6 3.0L vs 2.6L ~90kW AND the 2.6 engine is heavier than the 3.0L. Id laugh if I saw a 3.0 get smashed by ANY 2.6 (except turbos etc).....

Cant comment on sound, but my 2.6 sounded sweet with a cannon on the back.....
2.6L had 102kw get it right!

My research showed anywhere between 85kW (Carby I assume) and 98kW EFI. But you know what they say about things on the internet......

...so if you say 102kW I believe you......

agreed, a well maintained astron is quite quick... Compared to what?
A push bike?
Don't get me wrong, I have a TR 2.6 manual and it has 'adequate' power (i.e. it can get up the hills were I live) but 'quite quick' it ain't.

My girls TS V6 Manual blows no smoke makes no ticking noises,has more than ample low down grunt and craves to be pushed harder on the open road.It has never showed me and sign of running out of puff.I love it,and i drive a VQ statesman V8.
Im almost fully converted to Magnas.

My research showed anywhere between 85kW (Carby I assume) and 98kW EFI. But you know what they say about things on the internet......

...so if you say 102kW I believe you......
98kw EFI is using 91 octane and 102 is using 94 octane.

you know the 3l isnt that much better, i see more 3l pissout smoke and tick more then the astron
and the astron is a **** load easyer to work on plus cheaper on rego not forget is as fast as a 3l, my astron thrashes a mates v6 2nd gen
the 3rd gen v6.. thats a different story way better then both

haha i've got my ts v6 and my sisters rada, my engine is slightly **** (ks has better top end); the autos take a while to get going too... And my engine ticks less than new model holdens... not much at all ks does though never has oil and has 370000 on its first engine.

Haha beat my 16.4 in an astron i wont be backing you

bit off topic dont you think? quoting power figures for different fuel types, when really they are a guide anyways... 6g72 doesn't even have a knock sensor from memory to change air/fuel ratios and/or timing.

My carby astron is quoted by mitsubishi at 84kw STOCK running off leaded fuel for those playing at home.


']and back to my orginal comment, im WAY happier my folks got the V6 rather then the astron, i know a few people with the astron, and although they have good off the line go, above 4000rpm they HAVE F**K ALL.

Simple intake/breathing mods, adjustment/advance of timing and use of nice oil has my astron pulling right up to the red line and a little more. Removal of the balance shafts also help the top end (yet to do that though... cbf'd).

Also, it's not only about how far the motor can pull too, but also knowing and keeping the motor speed in the powerband between gear changes. just cos you haven't maxed out first/second to the redline, doesn't mean the car wont be quick... astrons have their peak power/torque at the low end anyways. look at the displacement/stroke... no way was designed to rev anyways.

have you even driven a 4cyl gen1? :doubt: i've driven a 6cyl TS.

I've also driven my mates 4cyl EFI TR Auto... my TM carby auto goes harder.


Compared to what?
A push bike?
Don't get me wrong, I have a TR 2.6 manual and it has 'adequate' power (i.e. it can get up the hills were I live) but 'quite quick' it ain't.

it's compared to many vehicles of that era, and similar vehicle type (eg. family sedan)... Also the 2.6, while is outdated now, is quite good for it's time. holden hadn't even head of alloy crossflow heads or over head cams.



that's my 2.6 cents, have an astron-omical day and lets not forget that the Elites had climate control.

bit off topic dont you think? quoting power figures for different fuel types, when really they are a guide anyways... 6g72 doesn't even have a knock sensor from memory to change air/fuel ratios and/or timing.

My carby astron is quoted by mitsubishi at 84kw STOCK running off leaded fuel for those playing at home.



Simple intake/breathing mods, adjustment/advance of timing and use of nice oil has my astron pulling right up to the red line and a little more. Removal of the balance shafts also help the top end (yet to do that though... cbf'd).

Also, it's not only about how far the motor can pull too, but also knowing and keeping the motor speed in the powerband between gear changes. just cos you haven't maxed out first/second to the redline, doesn't mean the car wont be quick... astrons have their peak power/torque at the low end anyways. look at the displacement/stroke... no way was designed to rev anyways.

have you even driven a 4cyl gen1? :doubt: i've driven a 6cyl TS.

I've also driven my mates 4cyl EFI TR Auto... my TM carby auto goes harder.



it's compared to many vehicles of that era, and similar vehicle type (eg. family sedan)... Also the 2.6, while is outdated now, is quite good for it's time. holden hadn't even head of alloy crossflow heads or over head cams.



that's my 2.6 cents, have an astron-omical day and lets not forget that the Elites had climate control.
I've seen a manual 1st gen, twin webbers, zorst and cams take down an auto 3rd gen (assume 3.0L) quite comfortably. There is quite abit of potential in the old carby engines.

Oh and elite has climate control? :shock: since when?

HAHAHAHA you guys are a crack up, haha you's get worked up over nothing, learn to chill


Nothing? :nuts: you must be kidding?
im guessing you have a stock intake then :doubt:


']my car does piss out smoke, but will be getting fixed soon, and it doesnt make no ticking noises, and goes damn hard.


and back to my orginal comment, im WAY happier my folks got the V6 rather then the astron, i know a few people with the astron, and although they have good off the line go, above 4000rpm they HAVE F**K ALL.

so, you keep your astron, ill keep my 6, im quite happy with it and i know it will kill an astron.
so as bcx7 said have you even driven an astron yet?, according to your profile your 17, do you even have your Ps yet. because if you claim you will drill my astron ill be over in vic at the end of the year so bring it on if your mum lets you out :bowrofl:


']and ummmm when it hits high revs, boy, you feel it move, dunno what car you been in, but when mine goes to 5000, you feel it.
buhahah 5k?? is that all, an astron still making power up there thats no achievement, least an astron can get up there quicker tho judging from the v6's ive driven


haha i've got my ts v6 and my sisters rada, my engine is slightly **** (ks has better top end); the autos take a while to get going too... And my engine ticks less than new model holdens... not much at all ks does though never has oil and has 370000 on its first engine.

Haha beat my 16.4 in an astron i wont be backing you
agree the auto sucks wang as my mates v6 (the one i have driven) is slower then my car
and dw ill try and beat thos figures when my new motors in soon ;)

and im still standing to what i said the v6 isnt that much better

so as bcx7 said have you even driven an astron yet?, according to your profile your 17, do you even have your Ps yet. because if you claim you will drill my astron ill be over in vic at the end of the year so bring it on if your mum lets you out
lets see, in VIC, 18 is the age to get p plates, so doing the maths, me being 17, chances are i wouldnt have my p plates...............


buhahah 5k?? is that all, an astron still making power up there thats no achievement, least an astron can get up there quicker tho judging from the v6's ive driven

Nope i havent driven a astron yet...why would i want to....
ive been in a few now, and they had NOTHING over 4000rpm....yours may be different, probably modded a little, but these had NOTHING i mean they were almost redlining and the car was hardly gaining speed...

The V6's would still be faster........and not exactly like any SOHC's are heavily modified internally as the cost is ridiculous so after a while with a fraction of money the astron probably would get some more balls.

The again my Car aint built for speed and never will be, just a cruiser, i still stand by my statement of me being Greatful of my parents waiting that extra year to get the V6, in stock form, the astron has nuttin on it.

i also forgot to say im yet to hear a 2nd gen 3l sound any good, all the ones ive heard have that unique ****ty boxy noise, i mean the astron isnt that good either nothing tops an astron induction note wooahh yeh, and my mates 3l also doenst rev for **** very slow at reving, and when it hits high revs you dont feel any thing

OMG Yeah! I have heard mad lante's Astron induction note, very sexy. Almost as sexy as the Astron altogether. Nice deep sound, very meaty. Nothing like a whiney V6 could produce. A guy from work had a TS V6, spent $$$ on cold air intake, also some nice looking lukey system. I'll admit, it sounded pretty nice, but for the money spent, I could have purchased new tyres after my beefy Astron churned them over at excessive diff-to-road speed ratio which caused premature wear. That brings back 2.6 fond memories.

As a final note, the V6 has a belt. A belt slips, and a chain holds more power. Hence why the chain was put in the Astron. Almost 'nuff said.

Also, lets get mathematical:

2.6 4cyl = 98kW = (98/4) kW per cylinder = 24.5kW per cylinder.
3.0L 6cyl = 120kW = (120/6) kW per cylinder = 20kW per cylinder.

Astron is better.

2.6 > 3.0
Nuff said.

fulysig. :cool: :D

']
Greatful


By the way: It's "Grateful".

grate·ful ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grtfl)
adj.
Appreciative of benefits received; thankful.
Expressing gratitude.
Affording pleasure or comfort; agreeable

I am grateful that my parents could afford to send me to school to learn how to spell.

Thank you all and good night.:cool:

fulysig.

i can feel a banning comming on.
now for some reality. were getting into heated conversation because we think one engine is better than another :nuts: thats like someone saying they think NSW is better than Qld. totally pointless i think seeing as this is a sight built on the appreciation of magnas not to bicker on who has a better engine or who is using correct spelling and grammer. im all for constructive crittizium (bad spelling) but now it's just getting silly. can't we all just get along:D

ahhh fulysig... your a crack up! lol

how's the ASTRON powered sigma GSR?

'fulysig' is the response i'm looking for... ECI MULTI MASSIVE!


mad lante's induction noise is pretty mad. i've heard it as well for those playing at home

and cos i feel like stereotyping... todays quote is omg uleh, put da turbo on da VL maaate. it'll do 10s on the quater.... fully sick

or should i say FULYSIG?! hahaha

By the way: It's "Grateful".

grate·ful ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grtfl)
adj.
Appreciative of benefits received; thankful.
Expressing gratitude.
Affording pleasure or comfort; agreeable

I am grateful that my parents could afford to send me to school to learn how to spell.

Thank you all and good night.:cool:

fulysig.

Wow your originality astounds me, when are you making the trip to montreal?:doubt:

I'm just wondering why the 1st geners have decided to invade a 2nd gen thread...

I'm just wondering why the 1st geners have decided to invade a 2nd gen thread...


mmm u do know that some amc members own more than one generation of magna. so does that mean there half cast cos they own more than one type of generation magna seeing as ur stereotyping every one. "why the first geners have decided to invade a 2nd gen thread" hmmm does that mean if u dont have a 3rd gen u cant post in the 3rd gen section, well with that attiude does that also mean if u want to post say in the tasmania section and ur fron NT u cant.

i feel sorry for the member who started this thread for information , cos i dont think anyone has had anything to say on topic for the last 15 posts. and now were starting tp pick at each other. i think we all need a group hug:D

Wheres Bain when you need him?

/thread please

Let em fight between themselves.All kids fight in the playground once in a while,then the next day all are friends again.

My half dead TP got me to 180 km/h on the flat(or at least to the end of the speedo, no idea how accurate it is at those kind of velocities) in an emergency. I'd say a healthy one has a lot more to give.

nothing tops an astron induction note wooahh yeh,

Nothing? you must be kidding?

im guessing you have a stock intake then :doubt:
The intake on both my TR 2.6 5sp and my VX 5.7 6sp are modified. I know which one sounds best to me.

Are we talking about stock motors here? 'Cause the best 4cyl car induction note I've heard was on a 240HP(plus) 2 litre twin-cam cosworth engine in an Escort rally car. (Twin 48mm side draft webbers)
Then of course there are lots of other motors with darn good induction notes. (Top Fuel, Turbo big blocks, Large 4cyl motorcycles, F/A-18 jets, etc. etc.)

Seems a bit ???? (can't think of a nice word) to say "nothing tops an astron induction note"

buhahah 5k?? is that all, an astron still making power up there thats no achievement,
Again, a stock 2.6 astron? I've never been in a stock one that makes any power above about 4,000 RPM.

Again, a stock 2.6 astron? I've never been in a stock one that makes any power above about 4,000 RPM.

my carby astron is stock, except for a few breathing mods... and i guarentee you it produces it's top power over 4000... i have a dyno to prove... however, the graph is torque/power vs road speed...

mine produces it's max power at 92km/h... dyno runs was in second gear... 90km/h in second gear = approx 4500-4700rpm

max torque is in the low end of the scale

I still cant believe this thread hasnt been closed yet :shock:

sooooooooo off topic :)

my carby astron is stock, except for a few breathing mods... and i guarentee you it produces it's top power over 4000... i have a dyno to prove... however, the graph is torque/power vs road speed...

mine produces it's max power at 92km/h... dyno runs was in second gear... 90km/h in second gear = approx 4500-4700rpm

max torque is in the low end of the scaleI was once told (might not be true) that for the best acceleration you should change up at about 1000 RPM above were the torque and power curves cross.
Might be why a stock Astron feels breathless above 4000 RPM.

omg by the time i read all this useless dripple i forgot what the original post was about !!!

first of all congrats on gettinga Magna :P

second of all

right now i own both a TN Carby Auto and a KR Verada Auto all i can say is the Verada has much more over all power and continues to get power long after the TN has lost max power now my TN could be a dud but i doubt it

only thing against second gens is the weight could use more get up and go although i dont think its a huge problem

but then again each model has its pros and cons cant compare both because they are not made in the same year (dah!) just like comparing a baby and adult pointless