Anyone else used Falkens?

I have std VR-X rims. And put the 235/45 17 Falkens on.

? What are Falkens like? :cool:


http://www.fk452.com/

apparenty, Falken is just the fancy brand name for Sumitomo Tires. Anyone remember them?


The falken FK-452 is falkens new flagship performance tyre, the fk-452 has a special silica based compound. Innovative tread design from motor sports racing technology. Improved resistance to aquaplaning.

Grip in Dry: 3 out of 5
Grip in wet: 4.5 out of 5
Overall performance: 4 out of 5

They sound the goods.

Anyone else used Falkens?
Yup. I've had 512's and 326's. I'd buy them again if I earn't more money. The 512's were awesome in the dry. Noisier than normal but you get that with aggressive tread patterns. They had dirty big channels down the middle of the tyre for wet weather performance but I wouldn't say they were a string point. They won't last long though. I think the longerst I've had out of them would have been 20k, they're relatively soft tyre.


I have std VR-X rims. And put the 235/45 17 Falkens on.
What rims do you have now? How wide are they? 235's require a 7.5' wide rim at the minimum to be legal. But if you've upgraded then I'd suspect that you've gone larger and wider. No idea what you're insurance will say, probably won't be a fan if you tell them the width.

What's the load rating like? Needs to be 94 or higher.

They are a good tyre.. We just stuck them on mysti`s car on Tue..

No very noise but good.. I used to have them on my commodore years ago..:)

Yup. I've had 512's and 326's. I'd buy them again if I earn't more money. The 512's were awesome in the dry. Noisier than normal but you get that with aggressive tread patterns. They had dirty big channels down the middle of the tyre for wet weather performance but I wouldn't say they were a string point. They won't last long though. I think the longerst I've had out of them would have been 20k, they're relatively soft tyre.



Intesting comment on the Falken 512's. I've got them on my car - great tyre, especially in the dry, and I haven't found them noisy. BUT...I've only done just over 20K km on them and I've noticed that the fronts are just about worn out. :shock:

Oh, and like everyone has said. You do need a 7.5 inch wheel for 235 tyres to be legal. All the standard Mitsu wheels are 7 inch unfortunately.

Anyone else used Falkens?

I have std VR-X rims. And put the 235/45 17 Falkens on.

? What are Falkens like? :cool:


http://www.fk452.com/

apparenty, Falken is just the fancy brand name for Sumitomo Tires. Anyone remember them?
I ran the fk451's for a while on the TS, went back to the ST115's as they had better dry grip and were much quieter, but the 451's were tops in the wet weather dept.

Much better than the 326's or 512's but they are softer so will wear quicker, they might have addressed this with the fk452's.

I run Falken ST115's on the Ralliart and love 'em, still only last me 10-15k km for a front set but they handle very nicely.

You'll find that there are only a couple of actual tyre manufacturers but they sell tyres under a multitude of different brands, it all comes down to how much effort they have put into the design of the tyre and unfortunately the way to tell a good tyre is to try it.


Cummins.

I ran the fk451's for a while on the TS,

....I run Falken ST115's on the Ralliart and love 'em, still only last me 10-15k km for a front set but they handle very nicely.

....


Cummins.

Thanks. Checked your website, dude. You related to Col?

Yup. I've had 512's and 326's. I'd buy them again if I earn't more money. The 512's were awesome in the dry. Noisier than normal but you get that with aggressive tread patterns. They had dirty big channels down the middle of the tyre for wet weather performance but I wouldn't say they were a string point. They won't last long though. I think the longerst I've had out of them would have been 20k, they're relatively soft tyre.


What rims do you have now? How wide are they? 235's require a 7.5' wide rim at the minimum to be legal. But if you've upgraded then I'd suspect that you've gone larger and wider. No idea what you're insurance will say, probably won't be a fan if you tell them the width.

What's the load rating like? Needs to be 94 or higher.

Redav. Being in the ACT.. it prob doesn't matter. We have a lame-@ss system of car rego checking of roadworthy. Basically, if you have a car from new.. no one looks at it in the first five years or so. But you can be picked up in random roadside checks, or in your annual rego renewal.. asked to go to a govt checking station.

No, I have the std TJ Series 1.5/ II 17" rims. and you are telling me they are only 7's??

mmm where does it say you can't run 235's?

Redav.. what did you say yourself? in this thread??

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18770&highlight=tyre+specifications+VRX+rims


from your post:


I have Falken ZE-512 235/45R17's on my VR-X rims and they're worth around $220 - $250 and the cheapest I've had is $200. They are a model that's being phased out.

They are not legal though. They have the load rating (97) but the widest you can fit to a 7 inch wide rim is 225.

If you need to make a claim and your insurer nails you for unroadworthy tyres, you will be kicking yourself for having saved $20 per tyre.

Been informed that the Falken 512s have gone the way of the Dodo in Australia.

Has anyone had any luck finding these lately?

I've got ZE329s on my car at the moment, new tyre to replace the 326s apparently. Seem okay I guess.

Redav. Being in the ACT.. it prob doesn't matter. We have a lame-@ss system of car rego checking of roadworthy. Basically, if you have a car from new.. no one looks at it in the first five years or so. But you can be picked up in random roadside checks, or in your annual rego renewal.. asked to go to a govt checking station.

No, I have the std TJ Series 1.5/ II 17" rims. and you are telling me they are only 7's??

mmm where does it say you can't run 235's?
The Tyre and Rim Association handbook specifies what is legal and what is not. Every tyre store will know about it. Not every tyre store will abide by it. The 5 spoke 17' VR-X rims are only 7 inch wide.


Redav.. what did you say yourself? in this thread??

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18770&highlight=tyre+specifications+VRX+rims
Yup. I had 235's on my 7 inch rims - not legal as noted and I've since changed tyres. I found some 225/50R17's with a load rating higher than 95 (which is required for almost all pre TJ 3rd gens). Not as good as the Falken's but completely legal.

Hope that helps.

Thanks. Checked your website, dude. You related to Col?
I met Col years ago, couldn't tell u if I’m related though, too many bloody cummins', think we came here as Irish convicts!

On the legality issue, it’s an industry standard (that the ACT Road Transport Act say u gotta meet) that u can’t put 235/45/17’s on any rim narrower than 7.5”, not that this stopped places putting them on 7” wheels on my TS for years, the Ralliart even had 235’s on it when I got it…very dodge…

Cummins.

Redav. Being in the ACT.. it prob doesn't matter. We have a lame-@ss system of car rego checking of roadworthy. Basically, if you have a car from new.. no one looks at it in the first five years or so. But you can be picked up in random roadside checks, or in your annual rego renewal.. asked to go to a govt checking station.

No, I have the std TJ Series 1.5/ II 17" rims. and you are telling me they are only 7's??

mmm where does it say you can't run 235's?

on the DOTARS website. it refers to the tire and rim assosciation manual available at most reputable tyre shops. not only is it illegal its also potentially very dangerous. there are reasons why its illegal. it is beyond belief that people would not only risk their own lives, but more importantly those of other road users for sake of a few dollars.

:D
Luuuuve this same tyre/wheel issue popping up so frequently.
What ppl need to realise is that tyre retailers sell us what ever, they have no interest in regulations - in general, not all are shonky, so don't start loading your rifles now.
We must know the regs our selves, the ins comps do not tell us. They enter our car details to database and if the car is "unroadworthy" cos of illegal tyres or what ever, they don't necessarily care. It's up to the car owner to keep it legal, simple as that.
Hence forums like this are good, cos not everybody even thinks of these widths and load rates at all! Until maybe when it's time for a claim and the ins inspector laughs at your illegal tyres and walks away....:cool:

235s are technically illegal on a 7 inch wide rim but you should worry about the load rating most, that's what you'll get defected for, and insurance voided if the tyres were a contributing factor to the crash.

Thanks Redav.

Thanks all.

It's a nice tyre. The silica compound claims to give longer life. Maybe longer than the 451?

see attachments

on the DOTARS website. it refers to the tire and rim assosciation manual available at most reputable tyre shops. ....

I would argue that adding 10mm to the width of the tyre.. 235 instead of 225, and reducing my tyre's profile by a whole 5mm. That the space between these two X's [ X...X] is not dangerous.

In fact... check this out. http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/safety/road/bulletin/pdf/street_cop_app_1.pdf

and this: http://www.tyres4u.com.au/tyretips_page-TyreTipsPassengerCar_show.aspx

I would argue that adding 10mm to the width of the tyre.. 235 instead of 225, and reducing my tyre's profile by a whole 5mm. That the space between these two X's [ X...X] is not dangerous.

In fact... check this out. http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/safety/road/bulletin/pdf/street_cop_app_1.pdf

and this: http://www.tyres4u.com.au/tyretips_page-TyreTipsPassengerCar_show.aspx

ur point being? that is only a summary not the complete list.

some people argue 5ks over the speed limit is fine. :doubt: the simple fact is u know what ur doing is illegal, it is dangerous and its sheer arrogance to argue otherwise. driving on a public road its a privalege not a right, there are laws u must obey.

clearly u take pleasure in flouting the law, risking not only ur life but those around u. sadly the only way people realise is when there wrapped around a pole. do what u like it aint my town.

I cannot find the DOTARs reference, despite much searching. And in the end.. the govt refers to the Tyre Association stuff, and quotes it as a guidelines. A code of practice.

That is the funny bit.

And against who's law? Sounds like the ACT has none. I've checked. And that is where I live. :)

Here's an interesting document...

http://www.toyo.com.au/TechInfoPDFs/Alternative%20Wheels%20&%20Tyres%20%20-%20Regulations.pdf

This mentions that an increase in track for fwd vehicles with McPherson struts and negative scrub-radius steering geometry is illegal, except if the manufacturer has option that increases track. Hmmm, maybe all of our wider rims are illegal??

.wook

The fact at the end of the day is if an insurance company can argue an illegal modification was a significant mitigating factor in an accident then they will turn around and void the claim, then you will have to go to court and find expert witnesses that will cost you a fortune to try and prove that your modification was not a mitigating factor in an accident.

I couldnt give a stuff about the RTA. I do give a stuff however if I've just cleaned up a s500 merc and my insurance is voided.

As to whether they will void the insurance over tyres - who knows. Technically they are illegal, thus ammunition for the claims assessor to deny the claim. It's the same as driving with tyres below the minimum tread specification.

I cannot find the DOTARs reference, despite much searching. And in the end.. the govt refers to the Tyre Association stuff, and quotes it as a guidelines. A code of practice.

That is the funny bit.

And against who's law? Sounds like the ACT has none. I've checked. And that is where I live. :)
I've been through many issues before with the authoritories, know the stuff inside-out and ended up printing out the full 328pages of the Road Transport Vehicle Registration Regulations and kept it in the car for reference...

The ACT law in question:
from www.legislation.act.gov.au

Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2000;
"Schedule 1 Vehicle standards
Part 1.3 Australian Design Rules
Division 1.3.2 Compliance with ADRs
Section 1.21 Alteration of specifications

(2) A car, or a car derivative, must also not be altered in any of the
following respects:

(a) by fitting a wheel rim that does not comply with the
relevant dimensional standards for wheel rims in the Tyre
and Rim Standards Manual issued by the Tyre and Rim
Association of Australia;

(b) by widening the wheel track of the front or rear wheels by
over 25mm (or, for a four-wheel drive built for off-road
use, 50mm) beyond the maximum specified by the axle or
vehicle manufacturer;

(c) by fitting a wheel nut that does not—
(i) engage the thread of the wheel stud for at least the
same length as the wheel nut provided by the vehicle
manufacturer; or
(ii) match the taper on the wheel stud hole;

(d) by fitting a tyre that is not appropriate to the wheel rim as
specified in the Tyre and Rim Standards Manual issued by
the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia;

(e) by fitting a tyre with a section width over 30% (or, for a
four-wheel drive built for off-road use, 50%) larger than
the largest optional tyre specified by the vehicle’s
manufacturer;
..."


Hope that helps...


Cummins.

I cannot find the DOTARs reference, despite much searching. And in the end.. the govt refers to the Tyre Association stuff, and quotes it as a guidelines. A code of practice.


its not available on the internet. ask ur tyre place to see their copy.

from the DOTARS website, appendix 1:


Tyre and rim combinations MUST meet the requirements of the Tyre and Rim Association or Australia Standards Manual.



And against who's law? Sounds like the ACT has none. I've checked. And that is where I live. :)

Commonwealth. last time I checked the ACT was a part of AUSTRALIA :nuts:

Here's an interesting document...

http://www.toyo.com.au/TechInfoPDFs/Alternative%20Wheels%20&%20Tyres%20%20-%20Regulations.pdf

This mentions that an increase in track for fwd vehicles with McPherson struts and negative scrub-radius steering geometry is illegal, except if the manufacturer has option that increases track. Hmmm, maybe all of our wider rims are illegal??

.wook

not quite. providing the offset is the same then there is no variance in the track as it is measured from the center of the tyre.

.
Commonwealth. last time I checked the ACT was a part of AUSTRALIA :nuts:

So, what status does the Manual have?

I am not disputing your judgement, TJ.. but I have a feeling that its a law, by guideline.

This is interesting. No mention of Tyre Width, on particular rims. A lot of talk about overall diameter, and track. ?


NEW SOUTH WALES
Current Regulations - Roads & Traffic Authority Vehicle Standards Information,
Guidelines for alternative wheels and tyres, Revision #4 , November 1999.
WHEELS
Maximum width of replacement wheels is 26mm wider than the largest
optional wheel recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. This also applies to
front-wheel-drive and constant four-wheel-drive vehicles.
For four-wheel-drive vehicles, the maximum width of front wheels is the lesser of the
maximum width for rear wheels or 8", unless the vehicle manufacturer lists optional
wheels wider than 8".
Other requirements for replacement wheels:
* The wheel rim width must not be less than the minimum width fitted by the vehicle
manufacturer for that specific model.
* The fitment of wheel spacers between the wheel mounting face and the hub is
not permitted unless O.E.
* The wheel and tyre must not foul any part of the body or suspension under all operating
conditions and must be contained in the bodywork when the wheels are in the straight
ahead position.
* The wheels must be designed for the hub's P.C.D., i.e. no slotting of the stud holes,
or re-drilling of hubs and/or stud holes is permitted.
WHEEL TRACK
Wheel track must not be increased by more than 25mm beyond the maximum specified
by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle. For vehicles with diagonally-split braking
systems, the wheel track must remain as O.E.
NEW SOUTH WALES (Continued)
TYRES (Continued)
Overall Diameter
The overall diameter of the wheel and tyre combination must be no more than
15mm larger than the largest diameter wheel and tyre combination specified for the
vehicle and not more than 15mm smaller than the smallest diameter wheel and tyre
combination specified for the vehicle.
Tyre Load Rating
Any replacement tyre must have a load rating equal to or better than the minimum
load rating stated by the vehicle manufacturer on the tyre placard. This can be stated
on the tyre placard as either a load index or as the load per axle.
Tyre Speed Rating
It is recommended that the speed rating of replacement tyres is equal to or better than
the minimum speed rating stated by the vehicle manufacturer on the tyre placard.
*If the minimum speed rating stated by the vehicle manufacturer on the tyre placard
is less than 140kph (speed rating of "N"), then tyres with a lower speed rating
cannot be fitted.
*If the minimum speed rating stated by the vehicle manufacturer on the tyre placard
is higher than 140kph, then tyres of a lower speed rating can be fitted, but the
replacement tyres must have a speed rating of at least 140kph
(speed rating of "N").
* If the replacement tyres fitted (including "winter tread " tyres or retreads) have
a speed rating less than the minimum speed rating stated by the vehicle
manufacturer on the tyre placard, a warning label must be affixed to the vehicle,
as shown below:

Some interesting stuff.
No offset ..............Inset wheel...............Outset wheel
http://www.carbibles.com/images/no_offset.gifhttp://www.carbibles.com/images/inset_wheel.gifhttp://www.carbibles.com/images/outset_wheel.gif



Okay. ..... This diagram should help you to figure out what's going on.
http://www.carbibles.com/images/xsection.gif
Wheel sizes

Wheel sizes are expressed as WWWxDDD sizes. For example 7x14. A 7x14 wheel is has a rim width of 7 inches, and a rim diameter of 14 inches. The width is usually below the width of the tyre for a good match. So a 185mm tyre would usually be matched to a wheel which is 6 inches wide. (185mm is more like 7 inches, but that's across the entire tyre width, not the bead area where the tyre fits the rim.)

Rolling Radius

The important thing that you need to keep in consideration is rolling radius. This is so devastatingly important that I'll mention it in bold again:rolling radius!. This is the distance in mm from the centre of the wheel to the edge of the tread when it's unladen.

If this changes because you've mismatched your new wheels and tyres, then your speedo will lose accuracy and the fuel consumption might go up. The latter reason is because the manufacturer built the engine/gearbox combo for a specific rolling radius. Mess with this and the whole thing could start to fall down around you.

It's worth pointing out that the actual radius the manufacturers use for speedo calculation is the 'dynamic' or the 'laden' radius of the wheel at the recommended inflation pressure and 'normal' loading. Obviously though, this value is entirely dependent on the unladen rolling radius.


Lets take an average example: a car with factory fitted 6x14 wheels and 185/65 R14's on them.

* Radius of wheel = 7 inches (half the diameter) = 177.8mm
* Section height = 65% of 185mm = 120.25mm
* So the rolling radius for this car to maintain is 177.8+120.25=298.05mm

With me so far? Good. Now lets assume I want 15 inch rims which are slightly wider to give me that nice fat look. I'm after a set of 7x15's
First we need to determine the ideal width of tyre for my new wider wheels. 7 inches = 177.8mm. The closest standard tyre width to that is actually 205mm so that's what we'll use. (remember the tyre width is larger than the width of the bead fitting.)

* Radius of wheel = 7.5 inches (half of 15) = 190.5mm
* We know that the overall rolling radius must be as close to 298.05mm as possible
* So the section height must be 298.05mm-190.5mm = 107.55mm
* Figure out what percentage of 205mm is 107.55mm. In this case it's 52.5%
* So combine the figures - the new tyre must be 205/50 R15
* ....giving a new rolling radius of 293mm - more than close enough.

and finally... see the attachment. Calculates my situation.

...

Forget that shiet...

As to tyre width on specific rims in the ACT it is as follows:

(2) A car, or a car derivative, must also not be altered in any of the
following respects:
(d) by fitting a tyre that is not appropriate to the wheel rim as
specified in the Tyre and Rim Standards Manual issued by
the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia;

Full Stop.

And getting to the heart of the matter....

http://www.carbibles.com/images/aspectratio.gif


Aspect Ratio and Rim / Pan Width.

aspect ratio Aspect ratio is, as you know if you read the bit above, the ratio of the tyre's section height to its section width. The aspect ratio is sometimes referred to as the tyre 'series'. So a 50-series tyre means one with an aspect ratio of 50%. The maths is pretty simple and the resulting figure is stamped on all tyres as part of the sizing information:
Aspect ratio = Section height
Section width

The actual dimensions of a tyre are dependent on the rim on which it is mounted. The dimension that changes the most is the tyre's section width; a change of about 0.2" for every 0.5" change in rim width.

The ratio between the section width and the rim width is pretty important. If the rim width is too narrow, you pinch the tyre in and cause it to balloon more in cross-section. If the rim width is too wide, you run the risk of the tyre ripping away at high speed.

For 50-series tyres and above, the rim width is 70% of the tyre's section width, rounded off to the nearest 0.5.

For example, a P255/50R16 tyre, has a design section width of 10.04" (255mm = 10.04inces). 70% of 10.04" is 7.028", which rounded to the nearest half inch, is 7". Ideally then, a 255/50R16 tyres should be mounted on a 7x16 rim.

For 45-series tyres and below, the rim width is 85% of the tyre's section width, rounded off to the nearest 0.5.

For example, a P255/45R17 tyre, still has a design section width of 10.04" (255mm = 10.04 inches). But 85% of 10.04" is 8.534", which rounded to the nearest half inch, is 8.5". Ideally then, a 255/45R17 tyre should be mounted on an 8½x17 rim.
An ideal rim-width calculator

Blimey I'm good to you. Can't figure that maths out either? Click away my friend and Chris's Rimwidthulatortm will tell you what you need to know.

http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html

So.. Redav. You are absolutely correct.. according to these guys. My data.

Forget that shiet...

As to tyre width on specific rims in the ACT it is as follows:

(2) A car, or a car derivative, must also not be altered in any of the
following respects:
(d) by fitting a tyre that is not appropriate to the wheel rim as
specified in the Tyre and Rim Standards Manual issued by
the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia;

Full Stop.

Thanks Cummins. Have a look at my last post.

Thought you might appreciate some photos.

Nice. What tyres did u have on before and how do u find them grip wise?

This is interesting. No mention of Tyre Width, on particular rims. A lot of talk about overall diameter, and track. ?

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi09_rev4.pdf

page 4 - TYRES

the responsible and law abiding members here have done what they can. ultimately u are responsible for your actions.

That's all well and good for those in NSW... Unfortunately the ACT (like most other states & territories) has different rules.

Interesting point on page 4 of that pdf. The load/speed rating is mentioned as XXX kg at YYY km/h. Does anyone know if that's a ratio, because my 91W rated tyres are rated for 615kg at 270km/h, which is much better than 94H (670kg at 210km/h).

.wook

That's all well and good for those in NSW... Unfortunately the ACT (like most other states & territories) has different rules.

Interesting point on page 4 of that pdf. The load/speed rating is mentioned as XXX kg at YYY km/h. Does anyone know if that's a ratio, because my 91Y rated tyres are rated for 615kg at 300km/h, which is much better than 94H (670kg at 210km/h).

.wook

if u had read the thread u would have noticed he quoted NSW regulations. :doubt:

And if you had read my earlier post, you would have noticed that the ACT (where CanberraVR-X lives) has different rules and regs than NSW.

And if you had read my earlier post, you would have noticed that the ACT (where CanberraVR-X lives) has different rules and regs than NSW.

ok then please post a link to these different rules.

uuuh, post #20 in this thread :confused:

http://www.toyo.com.au/TechInfoPDFs/Alternative%20Wheels%20&%20Tyres%20%20-%20Regulations.pdf

uuuh, post #20 in this thread :confused:

http://www.toyo.com.au/TechInfoPDFs/Alternative%20Wheels%20&%20Tyres%20%20-%20Regulations.pdf

toyo tyres said refer to tasmania and the national code of practice for light vehicle modifications which in turn refers to ARD23.

anyway I contacted the ACT Road Transport Authority general enquires (02) 6207 7000 to put an end to the speculation. (option 2 technical standards). they advised the ACT followed the national standard - the tyre and rim association manual. I had a chat to the bloke who also said a 235 tyre on a 7" rim was defectable.

feel free to call them to verify. so there u have it folks.

http://www.rego.act.gov.au/assets/PDFs/Defective%20Vehicle%20Report%20Form.pdf

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi09_rev4.pdf

page 4 - TYRES

the responsible and law abiding members here have done what they can. ultimately u are responsible for your actions.

TJ. Are you a cop in real life? You are correct, however. :cool: :D

A quote from your pdf above.


Tyres
The tyre and rim industry sets standards for the correct combinations of wheels and tyres. If you are in doubt as to which tyres are acceptable alternatives for your car, ask your tyre dealer to check for you. The tyres you fit must correctly match your car’s wheels.

Wonder why the Manual is not online? Would blow a few tyre dealers out of the water???

Nice. What tyres did u have on before and how do u find them grip wise?


Stock. Bridgestone GIII' s 225/50 x 17. Nice. Noisy. long wearing. Nearly 88,000 ks before I had to get new ones. With one rotation of backs to front vice versa. :)

TJ. Are you a cop in real life? You are correct, however. :cool: :D

A quote from your pdf above.



Wonder why the Manual is not online? Would blow a few tyre dealers out of the water???

nar im a lawyer. (3rd year LLb) i may come across as harsh at times but in the end its for ur benefit. at legal clinic the number of kids that come through complaining they got done for things they knew is wrong and thinking ive got the magic panacea to make it all go away. unfortunately I dont.

id rather people hate me with conviction rather than regretting the fact that there was something that I could have done. to that end if i've offended I apologise, if its made u stop and think then thats all that matters.

You made me ring the tyre dealer... and he was a bit shifty. It sounded like he'd been caught out. Raved about how new Commodores come with 235's on 7, 7.5 and 8's. Bullsheeet.

I checked XR6's SV8's SS's. All have 18's or 17's with 8inch rims.. and 235/45s. Redbook.

Hey, TJ Sports. Check out my old Falken spare (un-used) 225/50 17, vs my new tyres.

Not much discernible difference... good how VR-X's come with full size fifth wheel.. unlike so many cars these days.. or even back in mid-2002 when I got it. :D

New v Old.