Hi all
I expect to get razzed for this.......I have tried to search for it.....

ok here goes....

can i easily change the direction of the triptronic transmission lever so that when i push forward it changes down not up???

Great car but the way they have set up the gearbox is crap!!!!


thanks

I don't know exactly how the tiptronic tells the gearbox what to shift, but as far as i've seen the TCU has a pin for shift up and shift down, so it COULD be just as easy as swapping over the wires.
Someone else can probably explain a little better than me :).

there are simple switches under the console on the transmition selecter,, simply swap them over,,,

There is a guide on one of the Mitsubishi FTO sites that outlines how to change the solenoids over to change the shift pattern.

There is a link on this site to that site - do a search and you should be able to find it.

There is a guide on one of the Mitsubishi FTO sites that outlines how to change the solenoids over to change the shift pattern.

There is a link on this site to that site - do a search and you should be able to find it.


Does anyone know where this link is????

and

where can I get some new + / - stickers for my console to represent the new shift direction

Does anyone know where this link is????

and

where can I get some new + / - stickers for my console to represent the new shift direction
No idea on the link but cant you just try and pry the existing ones off and glue them back the other way around :).

No idea on the link but cant you just try and pry the existing ones off and glue them back the other way around :).

seems to be the case. but the use of a soldering iron is required as there are locating pins that stop a simple swap of the micro switches, which I don't think is a big problem

I found somthing that may be usefull

only step 5 and six apply though.

How can I swap the tiptronic direction around on the gear stick?
A. This information was obtained from FTO Tension which is a great Japanese FTO site.
STEP 1 Remove the rubber "packing" around the shift knob. Next, remove the cigarette lighter and ashtray.
STEP 2 Remove the shift knob. The button on the shift knob is fixed by two hooks. Push these hooks and remove the shift button. Locate the spring and remove it. There is a rubber cap under this spring, pull it out. Next you can see a nut (12mm) under the pushable rod. Remove this nut. You can then pull out the shift knob.
STEP 3 Remove the centre console panel which is fixed at 4 points: (1) the side of shift knob (2) the other side of 1 (3) the upper-side of the ashtray (4) the other side of 3. Remove these points, carefully. They should just pull out.
STEP 4 Remove the centre box panel. Pull up and remove the cup holder. You should see 2 nuts, remove them. There are 4 nuts in the centre box, remove them, then remove the centre box panel.
STEP 5 Change [+][-] labels around - remove and change carefully. Take care!
STEP 6 Change [+][-] switch. Looking at the left side of shift knob, you will see the micro switch and 4 cables. Cable 1 and cable 2 do not need to be touched. You must switch cables 3 and 4 over
STEP 7 Put it back together in the reverse order!
http://www.mivec.co.uk/q_and_a/q_and_a.htm



now about the + / - stickers???? cause the moulded plastic cannot simply be turned around

^ It was something like that but I think it was a little more detailed from memory - I was thinking of having a go of it but never got around to doing so.

Main thing though is trying to find another Mitsubishi car with the same Invecs II that we have.

I know the auto Evo models use the same box we do - perhaps an Evo site has attempted this as well.

I actually prefer the forward + / backwards - setup of the INVECS 'box. It seems more intuitive than the other way around. Maybe that's because it was the first tiptronic 'box I used. I'm actually happy that the VW 'box is the same way, as it would get confusing going between the two.

.wook

Found the link

Vola

http://www.funky-fto.co.uk/gears.html

Website in general
http://www.funky-fto.co.uk/index3.html

PS - All care but no responsibility, its for an FTO, but setup shouldn't have changed much in theory.

Now class, say "thankyou Dave_au"

Surely it would be easier (and easier to reverse) to undo the screw or nut holding wires 3 & 4 and swap the wires instead of cutting and soldering them?

Of course, I've never actually had a close up look at the microswitch holder to confirm that there is a screw or nut holding these wires in place... anyone care to confirm? The pictures in the link above aren't quite detailed enough.

.wook

I know they swapped it round in the Magna AWD Rally Cars... As far as i know if was just a wire swap, and you shouldn't have to solder anything...

Dunno why they do it that way round, its just WRONG! It might be ok in low powered cars like sirions or mr2's where G forces don't come into it, but when you're strapped to the back of your seat pushing a lever foward to up gears just doesn't feel right... Even subaru's got it wrong! :nuts:

I know they swapped it round in the Magna AWD Rally Cars... As far as i know if was just a wire swap, and you shouldn't have to solder anything...

Dunno why they do it that way round, its just WRONG! It might be ok in low powered cars like sirions or mr2's where G forces don't come into it, but when you're strapped to the back of your seat pushing a lever foward to up gears just doesn't feel right... Even subaru's got it wrong! :nuts:

So you saying Porsche (the inventers of tiptronics) got it wrong as well?

yeah... and?

Find me a single race car in the world that uses it that way round... The Pirtek Ford Focus doesn't, the 24hr Monaro didn't, every WRC car doesn't, and even mitsubishi themself changed the shifting around for the AWD magna rally cars, as stated...

I couldn't care less what porsche do, cause quite frankly tiptronic in a road car is a wank anyway... the only reason they do it the way the do is for joe average who can't comprehend pushing foward to slow down...

Tiptronic is only taking control of an autobox, find a proper sequential, like BMW's SMG system, and you'll find its the right way round! ;)

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kitaho2/bmw-m3smg/my-m3/smg-01.jpg

yeah... and?

Find me a single race car in the world that uses it that way round... The Pirtek Ford Focus doesn't, the 24hr Monaro didn't, every WRC car doesn't, and even mitsubishi themself changed the shifting around for the AWD magna rally cars, as stated...

I couldn't care less what porsche do, cause quite frankly tiptronic in a road car is a wank anyway... the only reason they do it the way the do is for joe average who can't comprehend pushing foward to slow down...

Tiptronic is only taking control of an autobox, find a proper sequential, like BMW's SMG system, and you'll find its the right way round! ;)

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kitaho2/bmw-m3smg/my-m3/smg-01.jpg

Can you find me a monaro that was even released with tiptronic. I thought so

It might be ok in low powered cars like sirions or mr2's or Magnas
where G forces don't come into it, but when you're strapped to the back of your seat pushing a lever foward to up gears just doesn't feel right... Even subaru's got it wrong! :nuts:
Haha, since when is a Magna a high powered sports car?

Can you find me a monaro that was even released with tiptronic. I thought so

you might wanna re-read what i wrote hero.... :roll:

its looks something like this...

http://www.procar.com.au/images/news/NationsCupMonaroWinton.jpg

you might wanna re-read what i wrote hero.... :roll:

its looks something like this...

http://www.procar.com.au/images/news/NationsCupMonaroWinton.jpg

Is this a comparison between one off race cars or factory cars as the monaro from factory never had a 6spd sequential trans.

i never said it was about factory cars, i said it was about tiptronic style shifters... The dude with his porsche made this about factory cars...

Either way doesn't matter, the point is, the natural feeling when driving is to pull back to upshift, just like a bike... most factory cars don't do it like that because it confuses joe average...

smj276... when you do it let us know which way you prefer! ;)

All right. It's done! easy as pie! 1 hr tops to complete.:bowrofl: :bowrofl:

and here's how to do it for a TL VR AWD others will be similar I guess.

1. follow the instructions on removing the floor console (section 52A - Interior) from the service manual that can be downloaded here:- http://www.thehammer.net/magna/


2. hop into the passenger side and you will see all the microswitches that control the tiptronic (see pic1) under the gear leaver. don't be fooled by the pic, they are called micro switches

3. you simply need to swap the white and the yellow wires. In my case I had to solder them.
Initially I tried to remove the left and right micro switches but in the end it was not required . There are 2 springs not pictured that make it easier if removed.

Note: carefull when removing the center micro switch (pic 2)I broke one of the locating pins off and had to araldite it back in place, lucky I didn't loose it.

4. (pic 3) shows the job finished with the screws in place and ready to go. (I know it's a crappy pic. bu it was dark out and the cam didn't focus too well.)

Those with big fingers, like me, will struggle a bit. get a small set of pliers and it makes it a lot easier.


THE VERDICT

How it should have been produced. I no longer need to think about which way I need to push/pull and it makes driving a hole lot mor simpler and more natural.

A must do mod. especially cause it doesnt' cost anything.


now to find a new + / - bit. any help would be appreciated

Catch ya

Awesome stuff.

Maybe should be added to the third gen FAQ page.

Ha... looks like porsche got it wrong after all!!! :bowrofl:

Well done for givin it ago! ;)

Ha... looks like porsche got it wrong after all!!! :bowrofl:

Well done for givin it ago! ;)

It was tooo easy. any old hack can do it.

lol

Awesome stuff.

Maybe should be added to the third gen FAQ page.


Fine by me,
have tried to ad the the 3rg gen FAQ http://www.wermspowke.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

But I must'nt be that smart, cause I can;t seem to find a way to add to it. and there is nowhere for transmissions to be listed

yeah... and?

Find me a single race car in the world that uses it that way round... The Pirtek Ford Focus doesn't, the 24hr Monaro didn't, every WRC car doesn't, and even mitsubishi themself changed the shifting around for the AWD magna rally cars, as stated...

I couldn't care less what porsche do, cause quite frankly tiptronic in a road car is a wank anyway... the only reason they do it the way the do is for joe average who can't comprehend pushing foward to slow down...

Tiptronic is only taking control of an autobox, find a proper sequential, like BMW's SMG system, and you'll find its the right way round! ;)

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kitaho2/bmw-m3smg/my-m3/smg-01.jpg


Most tiptronics were/are made this way deliberately as that is the shift pattern of traditional autos.

discovered something possibly better.

when i did it, i couldn't work out which were wires 3 and 4. so i got my test light out and probed some wires.

save yourselves the microswitch part, follow the plug and connector mounted just ahead of the shifter.

there are two wires, yellow (with silver trace(i think)) and a white one, these can be cut before the plug and swapped around.

Sorry to bump an old thread, but someone who was having trouble with their tippy found that the centre switch in the photos (which activates tippy mode) was ever so slightly losing contact while pulling the lever forward/back through the gears, so they had to shim the centre switch to ensure it remained firmly closed while flicking through the gears.

This fixed their problem and tippy gear changes both up and down started working normally again.

If the tippy isn't working properly, but the +/- switches on the left and right of the pictures on the previous page test okay, it may be the centre switch. This can manifest as the Gear indicator lights on the dash flicking from the gear number (1-2-3-4-5) to "D" as you try and change up and/or down in tippy mode. A defective +/- switch would not show this behaviour - ie the dash would just show the actual number for the gear you are in and wouldn't flick to "D" temporarily as you pull the lever.

Hope this helps someone.

again, reading this, the way I did it on my TL VR AWD was just unclip the wires from the plug and clip the two wires in opposite spots. only a little tool required and it was simple as piss.

Flyboy, I'd suggest this will become more prevalent on the tippy models as they get older, its not a particularly robust piece of kit (plastic mostly) and they're called "micro" switches for a reason :-) so it was worth bumping just for the pics