Just wondering if the differences between these 2 models are that much different.

1) performance
2) 0-100 times
3) 4 speed auto tiptronic Vs 5 speed auto Tiptronic
4) can VRX exhaust system be installed in standard magna? would there be performance gains?


Sorry in advance if this has been posted before, i couldnt find it.

I thinking of purchasing a standard magna as a second car and wouldnt mind a bit of extra go.
but dont want to pay the premium for a vrx or sports model.

cheers

standard magna depending on model would have less power than TJ sports. For example TJ series 1 has 150 Kw, then series two has 155 and the TJ sports would have 163. The 5 speed auto over the 4 speed is alot more fun to drive and gives you a wider variety of ratios to play with and yes the standard TJ exhaust system can be removed for the Sports system to bolt straight up. not a heap of difference in 0-100 times but maybe noticeable at the end of 400m. A standard TJ with the sports exhaust and a K&N filter would still be a nice ride if you didnt wanna spend the big bucks

And if you are talking TH magna, then there is no difference in engine power at all. Same thing :)

1) 5 speed coupled with the slightly more powerful engine beats the standard 4 speed by about .7 of a second down the quater, but 0-100 times wouldn't be much different, couple of tenths maybe. 5 speed has better ratios and is much better to drive

2)As above

3)As above lol

4)Yes you can install the vrx/sports system on the exec, will be easier to use the magna sports system instead of the vrx system, Both are identical except the vrx has a muffler tip that wont fit the standard bar without modification.

1) 5 speed coupled with the slightly more powerful engine beats the standard 4 speed by about .7 of a second down the quater


where did you gather this information from?

where did you gather this information from?
Me vs cittris at heathcote.

Me vs cittris at heathcote.
well that isn't exactly compltetely accurate then....

TH smoker ran a 15.4 with only a home made cai and cannon. thats in his 99 TH advance 3.5L 4spd Auto

well that isn't exactly compltetely accurate then....

TH smoker ran a 15.4 with only a home made cai and cannon. thats in his 99 TH advance 3.5L 4spd Auto
Both his car and my car were stock, and raced at the exact same time, with exact same conditions, it's as accurate as its going to get. He ran a 15.6/15.7 and i ran a 16.3.

Both his car and my car were stock, and raced at the exact same time, with exact same conditions, it's as accurate as its going to get. He ran a 15.6/15.7 and i ran a 16.3.
because both your engines were running at their peaks because every engine out of the mitsu plant puts out the same power. and you both used the same method to launch, used the exact same throttle to take off from the line and throughout the whole 1/4. You both had the same tyres and grip and also had the same reaction times?

liek eveyrone says, its not just the car.. but the driver..

well at least he has *some* info to base his opinion on, unlike other people who just make numbers up.....

....but yes shouldnt be taken as 100% gospel....

I take it someone's touchy about their 4 speed:confused:

Hey chill... its a pretty good if not a rough guide.
People always rave about dont quote kw as that means crap, quote real life quater mile times... well he has, and its gives an indication.

thanks guys

that gives me a real good indication.
Meaning there is no need to spend the big bucks on a sport or vrx....unless
of course i find a bargain.

How does the VRX or Sports achieve an extra 8KW?
Is it just the exhaust system or more than that such as CAMS and ECU?

because both your engines were running at their peaks because every engine out of the mitsu plant puts out the same power. and you both used the same method to launch, used the exact same throttle to take off from the line and throughout the whole 1/4. You both had the same tyres and grip and also had the same reaction times?

liek eveyrone says, its not just the car.. but the driver..
I know its not 100% accurate, but its as accurate as it's going to get. And i did say "roughly". Like Gas_Hed said, i'm just using my experience to backup my claim, which quite a few people dont do (heck i do it too sometimes :P).
As for launch, we both had the same launch, just floored it in D. I was also under the impression that mitsubishi had a VERY strict quality control on their engines to make sure they output the right power. Though over the years i'm sure the 2 engines have seen a different life.
Also Reaction time wouldn't really matter as the final time isn't affected by it.

But anyway, it was perfectly clear that the 5 speed is quicker than the 4 speed.

4 speed autos are pieces of crap, get the 5speed

4 speed autos are pieces of crap, get the 5speed

interesting???

i can't wait till none of you can't keep up with my 4sp auto lol then we will see how crap they really are.

thanks guys

that gives me a real good indication.
Meaning there is no need to spend the big bucks on a sport or vrx....unless
of course i find a bargain.

How does the VRX or Sports achieve an extra 8KW?
Is it just the exhaust system or more than that such as CAMS and ECU?
Well i've been told its the rear part of the exhaust (muffler).
So since that day i've put a k&n panel in (wont make much if any diff) and a muffler from a sports, the note is much better i reckon, without it being too loud. Would be interesting to compare the 2 cars now, one 4 spd and one 5 spd outputing roughly the same power. I still think the 5 speed would win by roughly half a second give or take.
If you get the 4 speed and do a simple exhaust on it, shouldn't make much of a difference at all. Though remember you do get some nice extras in the sports/vrx.

i can't wait till none of you can't keep up with my 4sp auto lol then we will see how crap they really are.

I spanked a 5sp Tippy TJ Sports in my 4sp KE Verada (with mods of course).......tranny dont mean alot to me......5spd maybe better in 2 cars with same engine, but minor mods to a car with a 4spd and you *should* beat a 5spd, well I did anyway...

I spanked a 5sp Tippy TJ Sports in my 4sp KE Verada (with mods of course).......tranny dont mean alot to me......5spd maybe better in 2 cars with same engine, but minor mods to a car with a 4spd and you *should* beat a 5spd, well I did anyway...
Then put those mods on the 5 speed and see what happens :P.

Just saying IMHO gearbox means squat unless they are both the same power etc.....and in reality .7 of a sec over 400m......unless your on a strip who cares.....

interesting???

i can't wait till none of you can't keep up with my 4sp auto lol then we will see how crap they really are.

how can a 4speed be better then a 5 speed

shouldn't the 5speed have better acceleration then the 4speed due to the extra gear in it

and i ****ing hate the long first gear of the 4speed, changes at 75, wheres the fun in that

how can a 4speed be better then a 5 speed

shouldn't the 5speed have better acceleration then the 4speed due to the extra gear in it

and i ****ing hate the long first gear of the 4speed, changes at 75, wheres the fun in that
That's the 5 speed is "more driveable". It has a shorter first gear (hits around 50-60 from memory).
Hey i own a 4 speed and think the 5 speed is better, thats why only the sports/vrx and then later the veradas got it!
But in every day driving, its not going to make a HUGE difference unless maybe you do alot of towing/overtaking.
If have taking it to the strip in mind, the 5 speed will give you a better base to work off.

Interesting guys, personally I hate having such a short first speed gear in the 5 speed tippy, I hate it changing in normal driving anywhere between 40-55km/h.

Makes it quick in a standing start to 60 when pushed but other than that......

I compared the ratios between the 4 and 5 speed a while ago in detail, from memory some of the gears are fairly similiar, however the 5 speed really gets it's highway economy advantage from that 5th gear.

I think either second or third was practically the same - although obviously final drive ratio is different.

I think either second or third was practically the same - although obviously final drive ratio is different.[/QUOTE]

check yourr owners manual. it has the ratios listed in it.

i just took a TW (4spd tippy) for a specific 0-100 last night, as i will be comparing to my car shortly, and it did approx 8.8seconds...stock as a rock.

l o l... hahaah

check yourr owners manual. it has the ratios listed in it.

i just took a TW (4spd tippy) for a specific 0-100 last night, as i will be comparing to my car shortly, and it did approx 8.8seconds...stock as a rock.

you mean 5 speed tippy....??

you mean 5 speed tippy....??


Base models still have 4speed autos, only the AWD, Sports, VRX, GTVi got 5speeds, maby some other verada's to.

The ONLY DIFFERENCE in power between a LS and VR/VRX is the rear muffler, but the VR/VRX also has a 5speed auto, they have approx the same shift points as the manuals to, but you cant make up for a manual gearbox in your average car.

when you stick a high stall converter, shift kit and a few other little goodies an auto can kill any manual. It works out cheaper instead of doing a manual conversion.

BTW having more gears isn't always better.....

on the other hand manuals do have there advantages but I'd prefer the car to do the work for me :D