a total noob on this one /thank you everyone for the feed back
http://www.rpw.com.au/

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/

How do you turbo an efi 4 cyl magna
using only a stock standard engine where does one start

need information on
.what parts are needed, what they do, and definitions
.where things are bolted on under the bonnet
.what has to be used to make it run electronically
.any pictures would be helpfull
.what injectors,where do the pipes go to and from
.how do you tune it.

thanks for reading

talk to monga. He has a turbo 2.6 tr.

searching the web sites doesnt give any specifics as to the 2.6 magna engine
some who have started never finished the projects

so I would like some help sorting out facts from fiction

thanks

im just wondering if u know the components of a turbocharger and how they work,
i had to do an article for school on one and i got my information mainly from how stuff works and http://www.turbobygarrett.com/. how stuff works was to simplified for me so i mainly used the other one, dont know if it would help u at all but i thought i may aswell put it up for u and others

Turbo setups are funny things.

The list of things you need extends exponentialy in relation to the amount of boost you want to run. *disclaimer* I am not a professional this is what ive learned in 2 years of reading car mags and reading stuff on the internet almost religiously *disclaimer*

The first question is "How hardcore are you going to go" Im sorry if this comes off as me talking down but im not sure of your level of knowledge..

The manditory items for even a BASIC turbo setup are.
*manifold
*turbo
*intercooler (not 100% nesicary, but you would be insane not to)
*downpipe (connects the turbo to your exhaust)
*boost controler (electronic or mechanical, your choice)
*plugin/standalone engine management (for anything more than like 2psi)
*a well sorted oil drain setup (the most common cause of turbo death)

I dont think ive missed anything but those are the manditory (or atleast close) items. Now you may be in luck, ive been told (by a source who knows his stuff half the time and the other half just talks out his backside) that the sigma turbo, turbo, block, manifold and downpipe all fit up to 1st gens without SERIOUS mods. Possibly the ECU aswell but for the price of wiring it into the 1st gens system id look for an aftermarket setup to give you more future expandability.

**Could someone please shed some light on the sigma turbo bits for me please. Id like to know that definitely.**

The real question is "How hardcore are you going to go" A astron block is a relatively solid item, the sigma turbo block even more (if it can fit) so for under 6psi (10 for a decent sigma turbo block) you can definitely get away with stock internals if they are in good condition. (pistons, rings, rods)

At about 6psi you would probably be pushing the limits of the astron fuel system. so i would chuck in an uprated fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, a set of larger injectors and a retune on the above mentioned ecu. At some point I would seriously recomend a larger or thicker aluminium radiator and a oil cooler, probably a catch can too.

After that, id start to worry about the internals but further gains could be made from a revised exhaust from the dump pipe back without pushing the engine much harder, same with heads and cams. but now we are talking big $$$$

MY BEST ADVICE IS If you can afford it, and know you want it. Do it all at once.

Dont go through the expense of getting it all set up and running on stock internals if as soon as you do your planning on ripping the engine straight back out to switch to a rebuilt block and a bigger turbo because then you will probably have to get flanges changed, the ecu retuned, possibly even larger injectors, larger intercooler (if you didnt go stonking huge from the beginning)

FINALY

This is a FWD car, so expect to be shelling out for new CV's atleast twice a year if you start giving it to the car. Or expect the outlay for a custom set of high strength items.

cant u throw a 4g63T engine into a 1st gen (assumin thats what u got).. if so.. i do have one in an wrecked mits rvr... as well as a manual gearbox..

cant u throw a 4g63T engine into a 1st gen (assumin thats what u got).. if so.. i do have one in an wrecked mits rvr... as well as a manual gearbox..

hell whack the whole drivetrain under is and make a fortune draging commos (on private roads/racetracks only)

cant u throw a 4g63T engine into a 1st gen (assumin thats what u got).. if so.. i do have one in an wrecked mits rvr... as well as a manual gearbox..

would it fit in the 2nd gens with the astron 2 engine?

Check my profile mate give you idea what you need but it costs alot of money and time.

Stock internals are good for about 12psi, I've driven 5000km on 10psi on a safe tune doing some engine work like lowering compression and valve springs will help then if you want to blow 5k get some some nice pistons and rods

The stock fuel system will not sustain anything so upgrading that is a must because if you lean out trouble occurs.

200fwhp is safe for the stock gearbox, I blew the stock clutch pretty fast so upgrading that is a must and iv put in new CV's

Basic things to start off ruffly

Manifold $450
Turbo $350min + second hand tdo5 14g min or t28 ( iv got tdo4 to small )
Dump $250
Exhuast $1000
Intercooler $400
Plumbing $800 odd

Injectors $500
FPR $250
Fuel Pump $250
Surge Tank $120
ECU fuel/ignition type $1000

CV'S $400
Clutch $1000
Shocks $400
Springs $400
Rubber $400

Labour 1k min

There is $8570

+ all the minor little problems which occur that drive you insane

HP fiqures 200fwhp if all done properly

exceed that internal work is required.

RPW did one for someone and charged him large amounts for 202fwhp and it took like 9months

doubling HP from stock form is a good target, but since they start of with low HP so don't expect 250fwhp straight away

I could talk all day about it because there are so many problems and issues, personally I wouldnt bother doing it

this is helpfull all of it
we will just go with the stock engine and see what is possible to get out of it
Monga
*intercooler (not 100% nesicary, but you would be insane not to)
*downpipe (connects the turbo to your exhaust)
*boost controler (electronic or mechanical, your choice)
*plugin/stand alone engine management (for anything more than like 2psi)
*a well sorted oil drain setup (the most common cause of turbo death)

you also changed your transmisson control unit or ecu

ok dumb questions time
intercooler (have to look up to see what an inter cooler is ) but will fit one without doubt
the downpipe to the exhaust- is that a custom part or bolt on ?
the boost controll - is that an adjustable unit
where should the plugin stand alone engine management connect to
the turbo needs an oil drain- I think that means oil goes back into the engine sump somehow

I dont know what these things do or where they go in the system
sensor MAP
Bosch BOV
dump pipe
is the engine coolant required to be hooked up to the turbo system ?

www.howstuffworks.com
www.wikipedia.com

these will help you alot. Before you even think about going through with this project, those questions you asked are things you should already know.

hell whack the whole drivetrain under is and make a fortune draging commos (on private roads/racetracks only)

huuuuh... im intoxicated.. so i dont know what ure on about.... actually come to think of it.. even if i was sober i would know what ure on about... please explain

would it fit in the 2nd gens with the astron 2 engine?

mate.. i wouldnt have a clue..... im takin stabs in the dark with any assumptions i make.. lol.. ask around... but if it does.. and u want a 4g63 engine and 5sp GB i have one (in QLD).. lemmie know aite.

@ Monga, I dont think a $400 intercooler is necessary. I reckon a stock r33 GTS-T's cooler would be fine to use and you can get them for like under $80 if you look around.

Piping = $800 :shock: yeah i can see that. We paid $300 just for some piping going from the supercharger to the TB on my brothers VN commie.

On a turbo setup, you need piping going to the turbo, then to an intercooler that would probably be mounted at the front behind the bumper, then from the intercooler to the TB.

As for the turbo manifold, i cant see it being that hard to make tbo.

Alot of piping.

@ Monga, I dont think a $400 intercooler is necessary. I reckon a stock r33 GTS-T's cooler would be fine to use and you can get them for like under $80 if you look around.

Piping = $800 :shock: yeah i can see that. We paid $300 just for some piping going from the supercharger to the TB on my brothers VN commie.

On a turbo setup, you need piping going to the turbo, then to an intercooler that would probably be mounted at the front behind the bumper, then from the intercooler to the TB.

As for the turbo manifold, i cant see it being that hard to make tbo.

Alot of piping.

my lunch box is bigger than those coolers
decent size one prevents engine damage plus cooler air not to mention air temps changing from 55ish to safe 25 on a warm day on a cold night around 16. The manifolds have to be made custom and done properly the cost is around 3-400ish

Dump $250 <-----? hooks up to the turbo
Exhuast $1000 Just goes where the stockie is

Injectors $500 into the fuel rail to replace the stockies
FPR $250 <----? attach that and chuck the old one out
Fuel Pump $250 <-- can you fit the fuel pump without modifying the tank : yes
Surge Tank $120 <----- is this for oil or fuel? :fuel
ECU fuel/ignition type $1000 <---is there a cheaper option ? : 1k would get you good EMS personally I'd get a apexi power but all custom wiring would be required otherwise wolf,haltech or microtech

boost controller won't be needed at first with most wastegates set at around 6-10psi and being the astron you dont have alot of psi levels to work with, ie 10psi low setting and 20psi high setting so I wouldnt bother.

this may sound stuped like a stuped question but why carnt u turbo the cabie versions of the engine?

this may sound stuped like a stuped question but why carnt u turbo the cabie versions of the engine?

You can, its been done - long ago - but you have big problems with sucking through the carby (fuel condensation in all the plumbing) or blow through (carby gets pressurised). EFI turbo is simpler, you only have compressed air to plumb around the place.

Do some research, Google is your friend.

Question though: Why spend $10K or so on an old car to make it unreliable, when you can buy a third gen with adequate power for half the price?

personally i dont think you will find the project being with it with the astron engine, money could be better spend fitting a galant v4 engine in and do some tweaks to that, i belive our sponcer has one he is parting out at the moment,

as for rpw do a google search for "rpw horror" or even do a forums search here, i would aviod them and their dodgey ways as much as possible


TUFFTR did the galant conversion i believe, not sure if he still floats around or not but if you check out his ride thread http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58389 you might get a few ideas

EDIT: kk so his ride thread said his banned so he problem cant help you much