After trying a cheap way to get CAI i realised i got what i paid for (Pic1). Fair enough. But, well... i am cheap. So here is my new ADDITIONAL CAI. cost????$20.00. $10 for the adaptor (already had) plate and $10 for the air intake from a wrecker.
Those who are familar with commodores will notice it is from a VN V6 (airbox to T/B, pic 2). I cut the elbow, repositioned the flex boot and reattched the elbow. Some third gens have a resonator at the front of the snorkel. I took that off, cut the hole bigger, and bolted on a 80mm throttle body adaptor. A small bracket attached to the elbow at the bottom secures it nicely. Exactly 100mm of the ground. CHEAP AND PROUD OF IT:D

Well done mate, hows the car run??

Neat install

that exactly what grahem west dyno has recomended to everyone who has brought their magnas to be tuned to do as far as CAI is concerned

very neat. mine was like that on my old tj whiish i took that off.

Why did you add it to the existing snoorkel?????? Why not just have it comming straight out of the box with the 90deg poking in???? and then getting another 90deg part facing under the bar to RAM in the air????

Yeah i did that with mine about a year ago.. not a big fan of pulling the standard one out.. Mits didnt spend millions of dollars on design for nothing..:P

Only thing that worried me was the angle your goes into the snokel.. I got mine on a 45 degree to improve flow..:)

I did that when I first set up a CAI in my KE, IMHO was not as good as the pipe straight into the airbox.

i just put my similar setup back into the car today.

Yours is alot neater than mine. Nice work :D

here is a few pics of when i was doing it mine.. I painted it black when i was done and you wouldnt even know it was there..:)

Just where it goes into snorkel there is a 45 degree pipe sending it into airbox..:P

Why did you add it to the existing snoorkel?????? Why not just have it comming straight out of the box with the 90deg poking in???? and then getting another 90deg part facing under the bar to RAM in the air????

As i mentioned...ADDITIONAL. The factory intake is about as good as it gets from a factory. This gives a little more. you can feel it sucking air at idle.

I did notice a slight improvement in fuel economy but it's still early. My car was running a little rich, so i am hoping a bit more air may compensate a bit.

It was the best place i could locate it with the hole already in it when removing the resonator at the front.

here is a few pics of when i was doing it mine.. I painted it black when i was done and you wouldnt even know it was there..:)

Just where it goes into snorkel there is a 45 degree pipe sending it into airbox..:P

how does the angle improve the flow?

i haverent tryed to make CAI myself yet in my car,so just a little question? with all this plasitc (witch it looks like most of u are using) does it melt going down past the moter.
when i got my h/u installed there was another magna there getting an alarm dident get to talking to the fella but it looked like his cai was done at an exuasut shop all crome and stuff leading into his pod.nice car dule tips out the rear white campbelltown area wonder if hes from here

how does the angle improve the flow?


Well you wanna keep the air flow as smooth as possible..

Air is going to flow better around a corner if it goes in at a 45 degree angle then it would at a "T" intersection..:)

Well you wanna keep the air flow as smooth as possible..

Air is going to flow better around a corner if it goes in at a 45 degree angle then it would at a "T" intersection..:)

oh ok. look at pic #2. it shows the elbow is pretty smooth. I see what you are saying though. By the way, did you use pvc pipe on yours?


i haverent tryed to make CAI myself yet in my car,so just a little question? with all this plasitc (witch it looks like most of u are using) does it melt going down past the moter.


Mine is ABS plastic. the type you find in almost all engine compartments. oil/heat resistant. The boots are rubber type oil/heat resistant.

By the way, did you use pvc pipe on yours?



Yeah
Had the plumbers at mine and i told them to give me the pipe and bends.. Got it all for nothng and stuffed around with it for an hour..:P

good quality work. though i dont think its beneficial. air is as a majority going to come through the top snorkle not through the pipe thats been added. Air travels through its easiest route. so you'll get more flow through the standard snorkle than that pipe. Also the air travelling from the pipe is going to interupt the velocity of the air coming through the snorkle.

If you were to fix this pipe straight to the airbox it may be better.. just not sure about how harsh the bends would be and how theyd affect air velocities

Yeah
Had the plumbers at mine and i told them to give me the pipe and bends.. Got it all for nothng and stuffed around with it for an hour..:P

and I thought I was cheap:bowrofl:

[QUOTE='[WTCHME]']good quality work. though i dont think its beneficial. air is as a majority going to come through the top snorkle not through the pipe thats been added. Air travels through its easiest route. so you'll get more flow through the standard snorkle than that pipe. Also the air travelling from the pipe is going to interupt the velocity of the air coming through the snorkle.

The only way i can test it is a 0-100km mark i did a pre test 8.35sec. will let you know when i do it again.

I took my car to a Howells Performance centre in hobart and they removed my cold air intake and Made the mouth of the snorkle larger i get better performance and execellent fuel economy, Engineer Rob Thrope at Mitsubishi Australia told me not to remove the snorkle but make the mouth larger.

Too much air into the air intake module for the magna over a long period of time isnt good for the computer unless you running a aftermarket ECU.
But Theirs alot Ups and downs about this one says it good and the others say its bad.

but the idea of leaving the snorkle and adding the CAI into it maybe better

I took my car to a Howells Performance centre in hobart and they removed my cold air intake and Made the mouth of the snorkle larger i get better performance and execellent fuel economy, Engineer Rob Thrope at Mitsubishi Australia told me not to remove the snorkle but make the mouth larger.

Too much air into the air intake module for the magna over a long period of time isnt good for the computer unless you running a aftermarket ECU.
But Theirs alot Ups and downs about this one says it good and the others say its bad.

but the idea of leaving the snorkle and adding the CAI into it maybe better


Got any pics????

I'll second that, got any pics.

I bought a snorkel from the wreckers to try the extra inlet from the bottom. But I'll carve into the opening as a starter if I can see a picture of it.

Ken

i tryed this mod.. but i cant seem to fit the pipe down to the bottom of my car.. its to think i think.. will go try again.. i think this is a great mod along with adjusting timing

nico

I'll second that, got any pics.

I bought a snorkel from the wreckers to try the extra inlet from the bottom. But I'll carve into the opening as a starter if I can see a picture of it.

Ken


I'm all for it, if I can see it too. would be a good simple mod

ive been toying with the idea of a D.I.Y C.A.I. With this setup is there any chance of getting water in your airfilter/engine with a piece of piping so close to the road. Do you declare it on your insurance or just hope that in a smash no one will notice a bit of extra plastic piping?

Following on with the idea of a wider standard snorkel this is the same thing ss inductions does with the falcons.
http://www.ssinductions.com.au/babf6xr6.htm

[QUOTE=tweedz]ive been toying with the idea of a D.I.Y C.A.I. With this setup is there any chance of getting water in your airfilter/engine with a piece of piping so close to the road. Do you declare it on your insurance or just hope that in a smash no one will notice a bit of extra plastic piping?

the pipe sits exactly 100mm off the ground. one, youd have to be silly going thru puddles that quickly and deep, two, the standard snorkel already takes enough air to run the engine without the additional CAI, and three, no...too far to vertical.

with opening up the front snorkel, I can't help but think the bonnet would still get in the way...maybe for TJ's more so??:doubt:

Ok, finally got my crap for my CAI... whats the go with the random black box connected to the bottom of the stock CAI?

I see some have connected their CAI to that hole and taken of that box... is that right? and whats the use of the box?

Can someone confirm that the black box I'm talking about does nothing and should be removed to mount new CAI?

Sonds like some people have had the GCC CAI fitted and if it this CAI there should be some small fins/blades near the opening. The idea is that as air is drawn in it swirls and the dust particles are thrown to the outside of the air stream and collected in the trap that is attached under the CAI.

Sonds like some people have had the GCC CAI fitted and if it this CAI there should be some small fins/blades near the opening. The idea is that as air is drawn in it swirls and the dust particles are thrown to the outside of the air stream and collected in the trap that is attached under the CAI.

So wtf should i attach my CAI? theres no room for my bracket? Will removing this box do anything too bad? Mines sports.. is that why its different?

ive been toying with the idea of a D.I.Y C.A.I. With this setup is there any chance of getting water in your airfilter/engine with a piece of piping so close to the road. Do you declare it on your insurance or just hope that in a smash no one will notice a bit of extra plastic piping?

Following on with the idea of a wider standard snorkel this is the same thing ss inductions does with the falcons.
http://www.ssinductions.com.au/babf6xr6.htm


yeah i seen the kits for the LS1's, so i looked on my TJ, as from what i could see it wouldn't be enough room.

if you took the cover that goes over thehe gap at the front you might get an updraft, but then the flow for the radiater might get screwed up



this weekend i will be workin on a CAI. will post pics as it comes along

No it will make no difference to your car. Downside, filter will get dirtier faster. Positive side, remove and enhance CAI. Edited :redface:

This particular CAI was fitted by the factory for the Gulf Country Car (GCC). It helped to minimise dust particals and hence have the filter lasting longer because of the desert/dusty conditions.

Sorry.. side remove and enhance?

:bump:

what box are you talking about. find a pic of it

I CBF takin a pic so heres mr. MSPAINT to tell you... the box is on the underside of the stock CAI wide front section... mines specialller than yourss :P

C? i put my hand in it n my fingers feel nuthing

if there are no wires going in then dont worry about it.

if there are no wires going in then dont worry about it.

Take it off and replace with CAI you say?
Cheers

that what i will be doing on the weekend

that what i will be doing on the weekend

You got same box as mine? Does anyone? Am I the only one with this gay useless box?

i think i do, was loking last night, but im getting rid of everything so, air filter box and original CAI will be gone

You got same box as mine? Does anyone? Am I the only one with this gay useless box?

hey....yes i had the same thing. it is another resonator......not all third gens had 'em. i just drilled out the rivets cut the hole bigger and bolted on a throttle body adaptor(have a look at the third pic at the beginning of this post.

Yep, resonator. The induction noise sounds better if you block it off.

Ok I'm done. Did it last night in 20 minutes.
Want pics? It's not completely done as i need to borrow a hole saw or something to widen that hole, however its hooked up for now!

Here are some pics from last night. I'm 18 it's that easy! The pics were like 1.5 megs each so i needed to sh!t down the qual and size..

What is the greatness I will get from this? Otherthan fuel economy (slight) and a sucking sound i cannot hear yet?

you realise you need to continue the red tube right into the filter box?

yeah otherwise you are sucking alot of hot air from your engine bay lol

you realise you need to continue the red tube right into the filter box?

You realise I attached the metal bracket (2nd pic) to the existing hole in the snorkel (in the first pic) and placed the red tube around that and clamped it on (with clamp in 2nd pic)?

Someone tell me my 20 minute job is right by reading everything I did?

You realise I attached the metal bracket (2nd pic) to the existing hole in the snorkel (in the first pic) and placed the red tube around that and clamped it on (with clamp in 2nd pic)?

Yeah i did just after posting... sorry mate.

As for whether you've done the right thing I wouldn't know, if it were me I'd leave the snorkel out and go the tube straight in to filter box.

Yeah i did just after posting... sorry mate.

As for whether you've done the right thing I wouldn't know, if it were me I'd leave the snorkel out and go the tube straight in to filter box.

Whyso? I guess you'd get more push force of air, seeing as mine joins at 90 deg. not 45. :(

I think it would make a smoother flow... therefore better.

But I may be wrong

I think it would make a smoother flow... therefore better.

But I may be wrong

Probably right actually. I need to get a hole saw or sumn! to widen that mofo hole!

']good quality work. though i dont think its beneficial. air is as a majority going to come through the top snorkle not through the pipe thats been added. Air travels through its easiest route.

The standard snorkel isn't an easy path, the snorkel itself is no problem but the fact that the bonnet seals in front of it means that the air has to come up over the lights on either side and travel down the radiator support to get to the snorkel thus rendering the stock snorkel redundant.
There are numerous members in the club who have had dynoed improvements with just a 90/100mm flexi pipe replacing the stock snorkel myself included, I dynoed mine myself at work, stock snorkel, fitted the flexi pipe and re-dynoed it for 7kw. For the stock snorkel to be any good some of the plastic shrouding over the top of the radiator in front of the radiator support needs to be removed thus allowing air to get around the bonnet seal and into the snorkel.

Magtone - good work man always thought that was a good idea ever scince I saw EGOs setup, that way the cops dont even look twice but you have a decent air intake.

Matthius

Here are some pics from last night. I'm 18 it's that easy! The pics were like 1.5 megs each so i needed to sh!t down the qual and size..

have you got the same red intake hose i just got rid of?????

First off, pardon me for "stealing" your pic SATAN but it was easier to modify because it was there.

I was wondering if you could bypass the original snorkel and hook up a hose from underneath the car directly into the box.
What would i gain or lose from doing this?

Not really planning to do this at this time, but would like to throw it out there to see what your reactions were.

First off, pardon me for "stealing" your pic SATAN but it was easier to modify because it was there.

I was wondering if you could bypass the original snorkel and hook up a hose from underneath the car directly into the box.
What would i gain or lose from doing this?

Not really planning to do this at this time, but would like to throw it out there to see what your reactions were.


alot of people here have taken the pipe and gotten rid of the snorkal and attached the pipe to the box. all you need is a 90mm plumbers adeptor. i bought mine from reece plumping and it was only $11

have you got the same red intake hose i just got rid of?????

I don't know. Mine at least works well... i think. Yours is weird, like you wrapped it in silver stuff

I don't know. Mine at least works well... i think. Yours is weird, like you wrapped it in silver stuff

yeh i wrapped it with heatproof tape(cost more than the pipe) 'cos it runs along the lower radiator hose causing it to go soft. thats why i got rid of it