One thing that isn't clear yet, so it seems, is the straight line performance between the two stock standard models;

380 Manual - TJ manual
380 Auto - TJ Auto

The reason I've posted (apart from the fact I'm hopefully picking my 380 up this week) is this has been raised on a few other motoring forums.

There are plenty of people who have driven both and say the TJ is definitely quicker.

Pfft to that :doubt: .
Wheels handling test stated that subjectively the Golf GTI felt slower than the 380 VRX even though it was a second quicker across 400m.

So subjective evaluations don't count.

The other issue is that many 380s have been tested with minimal K's on the engine and transmissions - a fact Wheels again picked up on and admitted after their performance testing that the car felt quicker after 1000km.

I have a liftout from Wheels (sounds like I'm advertising for them :cry: ) that records 380 manual (base, prior to Series 2) as;

0-100 7.3
0-400m 15.3

How does this compare to the TJ models (as stock remember)?

(Edit: I've just checked out the Forum rules and not sure whether this post is within the rules - will await the wrath of Bain - apologies in advance if this topic is verbotten)

Autoweb acheived a 7.06 0-100 in a TJ series 1 vrx manual with 16 inch wheels

Ah yes, VRX manual.
I'd expect the VRX and Sport models to be faster.

It's hard to compare 1/4 mile times because there are so many variables.
The 380 is definitely quicker stock vs stock in the auto's, manual i would assume so.

Power/torque to weight ratio's for (all manual)

380 :doubt:
175kw/1.625t = 107.69kw/tonne
343nm/1.625t = 211.08nm/tonne

Tj VR-X :nuts:
163kw/1.493t = 109.18kw/tonne
317nm/1.493t = 212.32nm/tonne

Tj Exec :badgrin:
155kw/1.445t = 107.27kw/tonne
316nm/1.445t = 218.68nm/tonne

Tw Exec :shock:
155kw/1.509t = 102.72kw/tonne
316nm/1.509t = 209.41nm/tonne


On paper, A TJ Exec seems to be a hands down winner. (All weights/power figures borrowed from redbook so theres a small posibility they could be about by a bit)

It's hard to compare 1/4 mile times because there are so many variables.
The 380 is definitely quicker stock vs stock in the auto's, manual i would assume so.

And what factual information do you base this on?

As you said, times vary. Have you driven both? Have you attempted a GPS trap speed run in both cars?

To the OP. When you get your car, take it down the quarter mile 10 or so times.

Then take off your best and worst time, add the other 8 up and divide by 8.. There is your average of how quick the car is. (be sure to scan the timeslips though and post up your results!)

Theres plenty of 1/4 mile times on this site for stock TJ's (series I and II) to judge off.

In my opinion, having driven both cars (in manual and auto) the TJ does feel quicker. But i think the 380 would out handle the TJ stock for stock components.

And what factual information do you base this on?
Well the 380 is roughly on par with the TJ VR-X, and my car stock is slower than a stock TJ VR-X.
On paper with the above figures it does seem the TJ exec is quicker, but it isn't, so i'm assuming it's because the 5 speed gears better than the 4 speed.

Compare on paper the times between a 380 and a TJ VR-X, they should be about the same.

Well the 380 is roughly on par with the TJ VR-X, and my car stock is slower than a stock TJ VR-X.
On paper with the above figures it does seem the TJ exec is quicker, but it isn't, so i'm assuming it's because the 5 speed gears better than the 4 speed.

Compare on paper the times between a 380 and a TJ VR-X, they should be about the same.

what about with the manual versions of both?

what about with the manual versions of both?
No idea, as i said in my original post :).

*EDIT*
Manual is quicker than auto in the TJ's, so it might be a different story manual vs manual.

Ive driven a 380 VRX Manual, TJ Sports Manual, Ralliart Manual....

I reckon the TJ Sports and 380 VRX are so damn close its not funny...

Not as fast as the Ralliart of course but thats not what this topic was all about..

i raced a TJ VRX in a 380 VRx, both manual and it was very close couldnt call it. I was changing gears a bit sooner cause of the shorter final drive. The winner was definatly street racing

i raced a TJ VRX in a 380 VRx, both manual and it was very close couldnt call it. I was changing gears a bit sooner cause of the shorter final drive. The winner was definatly street racing

Doh!

So in the end it looks to be a close thing, no one will really know until a few 380 owners get their cars on the track.

Seen both the 380 and the tj sport race head to head a few times on speedweek in the street sedan series. Tj sport left the 380vrx in every race, and the TJ sport was driven by a women as well!!!!!!!(natalie willmington) both these cars were comfortably beaten by the rear wheel drive bimmers though.

Seen both the 380 and the tj sport race head to head a few times on speedweek in the street sedan series. Tj sport left the 380vrx in every race, and the TJ sport was driven by a women as well!!!!!!!(natalie willmington) both these cars were comfortably beaten by the rear wheel drive bimmers though.


Yeah cant compare that, it's driver skill and SHOCK WOMEN CAN DRIVE sexist ****.

I've driven a 380VRX manual, **** it felt as quick as my car. I've seen one at the drags, getting awfull starts, god awfull starts running 15.8's, it was painfull watching him.

Yeah cant compare that, it's driver skill and SHOCK WOMEN CAN DRIVE sexist ****.

I've driven a 380VRX manual, **** it felt as quick as my car. I've seen one at the drags, getting awfull starts, god awfull starts running 15.8's, it was painfull watching him.
Now if you settle down for a minute and read my post again, youll see that there was not one sexist word spoken. You seem a little sensitive and need to settle a bit. I was just making a point that the tj sport was driven by a woman, I didnt put her down in any way. I actually love women, I even married one as well.

The 380 would be the winner if they actually put a better engine in the thing. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have a DOHC VVT engine here, which would add nicely to the power and efficiency figures. Australia is always short-changed when it comes to engines from Mitsubishi, it has nothing to do with fuel quality like they claim. The standard fuel in the US is 86, and in Australia its 92 (91 for BP). So the difference is almost like the difference between running 92 and 98, and we've been chucked into the same category as the US. Just think of the American V8's. The Fords standard is a 5.4L SOHC, which really sucks, the XR8 is a DOHC and is designed perfectly well to run on 92. The 6.0L V8 Commodore engine is still a pushrod engine (OHV), again because of the low quality standard fuel.

Fuel may be cheaper there but the 92 octane fuel is closer to the price here!

[QUOTE=burfadel]The 6.0L V8 Commodore engine is still a pushrod engine (OHV), again because of the low quality standard fuel.QUOTE]

The 6.0lt V8 Gen IV is still pushrod because they have no reason to change it, it's a good engine, they've had alsome 60years of development now. It's cheaper to make, simple to fix, easy to work on and costs less to upgrade and they like to rev now, my old Gen III commodore loved to rev and I loved to rev it out all the time because of the sound. The Gen III's had problems in australia because of Holden trying to change the the manufactring process now it's the american way for the Gen IV.

And 92 octain in america is about our 98 octain over here, they just have a different rating system.

The performance figures the various magazines have quoted for the 380 since its release have varried with just about every test run ever taken.

Im not sure whether it was official Mitsu media release but in one artical I was reading there were two sets of acceleration figures quoted, one for 92 RON fuel and one for 95 RON fuel. Obviously the figures for 95 RON were faster I think from memory by about .2 of a second to 100 kays.

Having previously owned ( a fews years ago) a KF Verada the difference between the 3.5 4 speed auto in that against the current 3.8 5 speed auto is not even in the same ball park. The Verada was a slug in comparison, in handling, smoothness and acceleration......not to mention the more obvious torque steer.

Who cares about acceleration anyway, if you want a sh*t box with masses off acceleration, buy a V8 dunny door.

Now if you settle down for a minute and read my post again, youll see that there was not one sexist word spoken. You seem a little sensitive and need to settle a bit. I was just making a point that the tj sport was driven by a woman, I didnt put her down in any way. I actually love women, I even married one as well.

Tj sport left the 380vrx in every race, and the TJ sport was driven by a women as well!!!!!!!(natalie willmington)
I took this as a, holy crap a woman driver beat the other driver. Judgeing from the masses of exclamation marks.

The performance figures the various magazines have quoted for the 380 since its release have varried with just about every test run ever taken.

Im not sure whether it was official Mitsu media release but in one artical I was reading there were two sets of acceleration figures quoted, one for 92 RON fuel and one for 95 RON fuel. Obviously the figures for 95 RON were faster I think from memory by about .2 of a second to 100 kays.

Having previously owned ( a fews years ago) a KF Verada the difference between the 3.5 4 speed auto in that against the current 3.8 5 speed auto is not even in the same ball park. The Verada was a slug in comparison, in handling, smoothness and acceleration......not to mention the more obvious torque steer.

Who cares about acceleration anyway, if you want a sh*t box with masses off acceleration, buy a V8 dunny door.
lol that's really funny coming from an ex-commy owner :). Yeh no doubt the 380 has the moves, it walks the walk, but unfortunetly it doesn't talk the talk........errr you know what i mean :).

lol that's really funny coming from an ex-commy owner :). Yeh no doubt the 380 has the moves, it walks the walk, but unfortunetly it doesn't talk the talk........errr you know what i mean :).


.....ah yes but just like a good woman...it doesnt always need to talk the talk :D

nothing a couple of grand wouldnt fix, IF thats what you wanted

Talk the talk?

We'll see.

Remember the cardigan comments re the Magnas?

I've got some plans for mine and am busy researching. The car has a lot of potential, more than the 3rd generation IMHO; particularly the lazy 3.8. I'm really happy with the package as a starting point.

Veearex,

I have covered around 950k - when did the engine start loosening up in your case?

I will be glad to see you show me it can talk the talk :D. Can't wait mate. I also agree that this motor should have quite abit of potential.

Talk the talk?

We'll see.

Remember the cardigan comments re the Magnas?

I've got some plans for mine and am busy researching. The car has a lot of potential, more than the 3rd generation IMHO; particularly the lazy 3.8. I'm really happy with the package as a starting point.

Veearex,

I have covered around 950k - when did the engine start loosening up in your case?

no doubt they have alot of potential, it has been said b4 there is alot of restriction with the engines exhausts ....... free that up and ur laughing right away

Talk the talk?


Veearex,

I have covered around 950k - when did the engine start loosening up in your case?


Engine started loosening up at around 5,ooo kays.

Engine started loosening up at around 5,ooo kays.

Sh***t!

I thought mine was really tight and by 1000-1500 would be OK. Long way to go then.