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VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 01:23 PM
Don't have the current Wheels mag in front of me, but the article went a little something a-like this...

According to MMAL CEO Robert "Holden-boy" McEniry, it has been confirmed that MMAL are working with MMC Japan on a 2.4L 4 cylinder engine to be fitted to our 380 - and we may see it here as early as late 2007! Just waiting for the I's to be dotted and T's to be crossed.

This comes on the back of confirmation that a new 190kW-plus engine for 380 sports models is under development by Mitsubishi's engineers in Japan which is due early 2007.

Mr McEniry goes on to say that this will greatly increase 380's export potential, and early estimates indicate approximately 15,000 units per annum alone exported to Malaysian carmaker Proton as broken down components; Proton could then export further numbers to other parts of asia including India (this on top of the obvious yet minimalist New Zealand market). Currently the 380 V6 is only expected to sell a limited 1,000 units per annum in Malaysia for tax reasons.

Source: Wheels August '06 edition

Great news this is, and not only does it give the 380 range a kick re engine variations and options, but is also further proof that MMAL's future as a car manufacturer is assured for at least the foreseeable future.:)

Gas_Hed
26-07-2006, 01:34 PM
About time!

[TUFFTR]
26-07-2006, 01:39 PM
Stupid Question here, But if its a 2.4cyl Engine...It will still be called a 380 yes.....despite the fact the name 380 was choosen becuase of the 3.8L Engine?

Matty_J
26-07-2006, 01:41 PM
']Stupid Question here, But if its a 2.4cyl Engine...It will still be called a 380 yes.....despite the fact the name 380 was choosen becuase of the 3.8L Engine?


Yeh my thoughts exactly???? will it now be the 240???? lol

adz89
26-07-2006, 01:43 PM
YES YES YES! This is good news.

I am happy to see they are pulling things together and I hope that the 240 is going to have good economy and a decent amount of power.

I can't wait.... if people really are going for small cars (aka. like recent sales show) this could be the opening to a whole new market for MMAL.

I just really hope economy is around 9l/100km (which will be hard to get to without a different transmission).

And the 190kw+ engine...:badgrin:

They are really on the money this time :D

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 01:43 PM
I get the feeling it'll be called "380 2.4":roll:

Ah, if only for the benefit of hindsight eh?:think:

adz89
26-07-2006, 01:44 PM
Yeah... perhaps they'll call it that... sound weird though !

240 would sound better and would make sense.

If sales do pick up because of the wider range of engine choices available it should make people realise that MMAL do have the intention of staying here and will bring some much needed confidence to the Mitsubishi brand in Australia.

Hopefully they then get a 2nd model to produce at the Adelaide plant (aka. Outlander?) and they employ more Australians.

M4DDOG
26-07-2006, 01:46 PM
240 sounds pretty cool actually.
I cant see the 4 cylinder being much better on fuel though. Lets just hope it doesn't come too late.
lol it would be funny if by end of next year petrol is back at $0.80c and everyone starts buying v6's again.

[TUFFTR]
26-07-2006, 01:48 PM
240 sounds pretty cool actually.
I cant see the 4 cylinder being much better on fuel though. Lets just hope it doesn't come too late.
lol it would be funny if by end of next year petrol is back at $0.80c and everyone starts buying v6's again.

if anything it'lll go up to $1.80!!
sif 80 Cents lol

Gerard
26-07-2006, 01:49 PM
price of fuel is never coming down, only gonna get higher

Matty_J
26-07-2006, 01:49 PM
240 sounds pretty cool actually.
I cant see the 4 cylinder being much better on fuel though. Lets just hope it doesn't come too late.
lol it would be funny if by end of next year petrol is back at $0.80c and everyone starts buying v6's again.


Would be very Funny although never going 2 happen!!
240 does sound cool though, well a lot better than the 380 2.4L hahahah

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 01:51 PM
I actually think 280 would be a good idea...

It's not the first time a car's numerical name has conflicted with the engine size (ie Mercedes and BMW etc), and simply calling it "380" and having the smaller engine will give it 380's "large car" stigma. "240", whilst obviously logical, doesn't quite do it for me.

It might seem odd, but "280" still sounds like "380" (so as to keep it in line as a variant of a 380 and not another car - so as to seem a better car) and it rolls right off the tongue.

Then MMAL can market their "380" as being packed with effortless power, performance and supreme dynamics... and now introducing Mitsubishi's new MIVEC engined "280" set to add a touch of spice to the fuel sipping family market.

Look out Toyota "9.9L/100kms" Camry!:badgrin: :nutkick:

adz89
26-07-2006, 01:51 PM
They should have a range of 240's as they do with the 380. That way they aren't limiting the 240 to budget buyers only and alot more people would consider purchasing it.

I have also heard curtain airbags are on their way for the 380 as well :D

No word about ESP though :cry:


I actually think 280 would be a good idea...

It's not the first time a car's numerical name has conflicted with the engine size (ie Mercedes and BMW etc), and simply calling it "380" and have the smaller engine will simply give it 380's "large car" stigma. "240", whilst obviously logical, doesn't quite do it for me.

It might seem odd, but "280" still sounds like "380" (so as to keep it in line as a variant of a 380 and not another car) and it rolls right off the tongue.

Then MMAL can market their "380" as being packed with effortless power, performance and supreme dynamics... and now introducing Mitsubishi's new MIVEC engined "280" set to add a touch of spice to the fuel sipping family market.

Look at Toyota "9.9L/100kms" Camry!

That's not a bad idea either as it given the models name greater similarity to each other. The problem is that some people will see it illogical as the 380 represents a 3.8 litre engine and the 280 only represents a 2.4 litre engine. I don't see a problem with it and I know that BMW (and Mercedes) have kept model names (or numbers I should say) and contained smaller or larger engines then the variant model name (number) suggests.

Such as an e46 BMW 320i...you think it'd have a 2.0litre engine but it has a 2.2litre V6
or the e46 BMW 318'... you think it'd have a 1.8 litre engine but it has a 2 litre

In the next series of BMW 3 series they axed the 318i and made a 320i though, probably to do with the growth of engine size over time.


I'm so happy about this, Mitsubishi are gonna be back on top:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 01:55 PM
Oh I think it definetly will have a range of it's own, similar to the relationship that Camry has with Aurion. Only issue now is the name which no doubt will create much debate until then.

adz89
26-07-2006, 02:03 PM
Oh I think it definetly will have a range of it's own, similar to the relationship that Camry has with Aurion. Only issue now is the name which no doubt will create much debate until then.

Very true. I just hope they do market the 240, 280 or 380 2.4 correctly and do make people realise that it is a 4 cylinder car and advertise its yet to be released fuel economy (I just hope its less then the new Camry's). Just remember we're talking the end of next year so a few things would've changed by then. So let's just hope MMAL only add features and quality that can only make it even better then the new Camry and hopefully the Aurion.

So two 380 (or 240) updates next year on the calendar. 190kw+ engine for the VRX/GT towards the start of '07 and the 4 cylinder version of the 380 toward the end of the year.

Along with the all new Lancer coming out in 2007, and the new Outlander coming out this year (V6 in early 2007), the new Pajero coming out later this year or early next year, the new Triton just released and the Colt Ralliart and Colt Coupe-Cabriolet Mitsubishi are going to have a brand new range of models soon enough. Have I missed any of the new models??

2006 will be a good year for Mitsubishi and 2007 should be the best year we've seen in a while :D

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 02:11 PM
Very true. I just hope they do market the 240, 280 or 380 2.4 correctly and do make people realise that it is a 4 cylinder car and advertise its yet to be released fuel economy (I just hope its less then the new Camry's). Just remember we're talking the end of next year so a few things would've changed by then. So let's just hope MMAL only add features and quality that can only make it even better then the new Camry and hopefully the Aurion.

So two 380 (or 240) updates next year on the calendar. 190kw+ engine for the VRX/GT towards the start of '07 and the 4 cylinder version of the 380 toward the end of the year.

Along with the all new Lancer coming out in 2007, and the new Outlander coming out this year (V6 in early 2007), the new Pajero coming out later this year or early next year, the new Triton just released and the Colt Ralliart and Colt Coupe-Cabriolet Mitsubishi are going to have a brand new range of models soon enough. Have I missed any of the new models??

2006 will be a good year for Mitsubishi and 2007 should be the best year we've seen in a while :D
Oh and speaking of the all-new Lancer, the all-new model is confirmed to carry an new MIVEC 2.0L 4-pot under the hood and the current MIVEC 2.4L will be dropped, though Mr McEniry says it will have improved performance and economy. This is I think what tied up the business case for a 4 cyl 380. With Lancer groing into the small-medium category it would have been silly to have 2 sedans in 2 different categories sharing the same capacity engine.

Yes the future is looking bright, but this "380 2.4" is released, can MMAL ever get back to selling over 3,000 units a month (avg) as they did in 3rd gen Magna's early years? (Interestingly back when Magna too had a 4-pot... :think:)

adz89
26-07-2006, 02:29 PM
Oh and speaking of the all-new Lancer, the all-new model is confirmed to carry an new MIVEC 2.0L 4-pot under the hood and the current MIVEC 2.4L will be dropped, though Mr McEniry says it will have improved performance and economy. This is I think what tied up the business case for a 4 cyl 380. With Lancer groing into the small-medium category it would have been silly to have 2 sedans in 2 different categories sharing the same capacity engine.

Yes the future is looking bright, but this "380 2.4" is released, can MMAL ever get back to selling over 3,000 units a month (avg) as they did in 3rd gen Magna's early years? (Interestingly back when Magna too had a 4-pot... )

Yeah I heard about the all-new Lancer going back to the 2.0litre engine. I wonder how much power it will put out? (well it has to be better then 115kw if its improved). Economy should be around 8litre/100km or a little less then what the old 2.0litre engine use to achieve.

Atleast now with the 380 gaining a 2.4litire 4 cyl and the Lancer going back to the 2.0litre it gives greater diffentiation between power and fuel economy for each vehicle (as you said basically).

I just hope the 4 cyl version of the 380 gets the 4B12 engine instead of the one in the current Lancer.

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 02:33 PM
Yeah I heard about the all-new Lancer going back to the 2.0litre engine. I wonder how much power it will put out? (well it has to be better then 115kw if its improved). Economy should be around 8litre/100km or a little less then what the old 2.0litre engine use to achieve.

Atleast now with the 380 gaining a 2.4litire 4 cyl and the Lancer going back to the 2.0litre it gives greater diffentiation between power and fuel economy for each vehicle (as you said basically).

I just hope the 4 cyl version of the 380 gets the 4B12 engine instead of the one in the current Lancer.
380 will get the same (or modified:D ) 4 cylinder as that in the new Outlander, which can only be one hell of a good thing. I actually drove the current MIVEC Outlander last week and f*ck me it sounds like a damn V6!... and yep, sounded better than Alloytec's 175kW offering...

TN88
26-07-2006, 02:58 PM
240 sounds pretty cool actually.
I cant see the 4 cylinder being much better on fuel though. Lets just hope it doesn't come too late.
lol it would be funny if by end of next year petrol is back at $0.80c and everyone starts buying v6's again.


Fuel will never be under $1.00/lt again:cry:

TN88
26-07-2006, 03:02 PM
It would be better to have a 2.8 motor,that way call it an 280.It sound better that way.:dancin:

adz89
26-07-2006, 03:06 PM
380 will get the same (or modified ) 4 cylinder as that in the new Outlander, which can only be one hell of a good thing. I actually drove the current MIVEC Outlander last week and f*ck me it sounds like a damn V6!... and yep, sounded better than Alloytec's 175kW offering...

Yeah my uncle has an Outlander with the MIVEC engine. I was with him when he bought it and I got him to buy it over a Honda CR-V. He is 100% happy with it and he said it drives alot better then other SUVs and he really really likes the gearbox in it; which suprises me because its only a 4 speed. I agree about it sounding better then the Alloytec as well. The Alloytec sounds like sh*t in the VZ it is sooo unrefined; for Holden's sake I really hope they've fixed that up for the VE. The newer MIVEC in the new Outlander is meant to be a fantastic engine, with it pumping out 125kw in the Japan version and 127kw in the NZ version.

I was just reading on the internet yesterday and apparently we (as in Australia) are getting the version of the Outlander styled for the European market? Is that correct?

http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,19842024-21822,00.html

Just quoting what was said in that article here but:
"The Australian Outlander, which will also be sold in Europe, has a different front-end and different bumper, headlight and grille designed to match the new family face on models such as the new Triton.

The new Outlander will continue to run the 2.4-litre four-cylinder engine that powers the current model, producing 120kW and 220Nm of torque. "

Is that incorrect about it using the 2.4litre that powers the current model? My understanding was that we would get the new all-alluminium engine as in the Japanese Outlander. I think it's just the person who wrote the article having no clue about the engine and just supposed because it has the same capactiy it was the same engine.

So if we are getting the European styled version of the Outlander does that mean (concept pictures; it isn't actually going to be released in the flesh till September in Paris) it will look kind of like this when we get it in Oz?:

http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/50663mit-.jpg
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/50663-a-mit-.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/03/mitsubishi-outlander-concept-to-debut-at-paris-motor-show/

Sorry about blowing your thread out by the waylol

heydude
26-07-2006, 03:49 PM
This is incredible news, its the best thing I heard all year.

I mean could you imagine buying a camry 4 over a 380 4???

I hope they call it a 380E.

The "E" stands for Economy, which will be good from the 2.4l.

Oh watch out toyota, mitsu is back.:D

AMP
26-07-2006, 03:55 PM
CVT anyone?

From what I have read about the Outlander, the 2.4 will have a CVT mated to it, and its drive bias too will be FWD, so it would only be logical for the 280 (Galant, 380 2.4, 240, whatever) to have a CVT also. This could also help with fuel consumption figures, as CVT's are excellent at keeping a motor in the best Rev Range for Economy and Performance. Give me a 4 Cylinder with spirit, not a Fridge (ala Camry).

Adz, it will be a cold day in hell before BMW use a V6. They have had Straight Sixes for as long as I can remember, and they will continue using them, as they believe that they are the best for smoothness, and longevity.

adz89
26-07-2006, 04:18 PM
CVT anyone?

From what I have read about the Outlander, the 2.4 will have a CVT mated to it, and its drive bias too will be FWD, so it would only be logical for the 280 (Galant, 380 2.4, 240, whatever) to have a CVT also. This could also help with fuel consumption figures, as CVT's are excellent at keeping a motor in the best Rev Range for Economy and Performance. Give me a 4 Cylinder with spirit, not a Fridge (ala Camry).

Adz, it will be a cold day in hell before BMW use a V6. They have had Straight Sixes for as long as I can remember, and they will continue using them, as they believe that they are the best for smoothness, and longevity.

Sorry, I meant straight six not V6. My mistake :doubt:

About CVT, I agree with that as well. If the 4 cylinder version of the 380 had that it would ensure better fuel economy and hopefully make it a faster car (compared to a 4 cyl with a normal 5 speed). When looking at the Outlander (as you noted) yes, that has an INVECS III CVT for the 4 cyl along with 6 'manually selectable' gears (electronically controlled I take it). The V6 Outlander will have an INVECS III 6 speed automatic, something which will probably eventually make its way into the 380.

D-VAN
26-07-2006, 04:22 PM
Along with the all new Lancer coming out in 2007, and the new Outlander coming out this year (V6 in early 2007), the new Pajero coming out later this year or early next year, the new Triton just released and the Colt Ralliart and Colt Coupe-Cabriolet Mitsubishi are going to have a brand new range of models soon enough. Have I missed any of the new models??

2006 will be a good year for Mitsubishi and 2007 should be the best year we've seen in a while :D

I have heard that Mitsu gave the green light to a new Challenger aswell.

AMP
26-07-2006, 04:42 PM
Sorry, I meant straight six not V6. My mistake :doubt:

About CVT, I agree with that as well. If the 4 cylinder version of the 380 had that it would ensure better fuel economy and hopefully make it a faster car (compared to a 4 cyl with a normal 5 speed). When looking at the Outlander (as you noted) yes, that has an INVECS III CVT for the 4 cyl along with 6 'manually selectable' gears (electronically controlled I take it). The V6 Outlander will have an INVECS III 6 speed automatic, something which will probably eventually make its way into the 380.

The 6 Manually Selectable gears will be in a Tiptronic style, with six 'steps', or pseudo gears. It works to an extent, however it never feels like a gear being selected, as of course, there isn't a gear being selected, only a band moving.

MMAL could hold the record for the First Locally Built CVT.

Ulciscor
26-07-2006, 04:54 PM
price of fuel is never coming down, only gonna get higher

hence why im in the process of selling the maggie and buying a new car.

tommo
26-07-2006, 05:05 PM
Oooh that sounds awesome :D. A 4 cyl for the people that are fooled by fuel figures. Really people, a couple extra litres per hundred kays doesn't save you much. Go on, add it up. They go and get an LPG system installed and really save fuel money.


http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0...-21822,00.html From this it sounds like the V6 outlander may be using a SOHC MIVEC 6G72. Pity it won't be the DOHC though. They made 199kW :D

Now all MMAL need to do is have a hero 380. I'm thinking about 500 ish AWD platforms imported from the states, a MIVEC 3.8 and two turbos:badgrin:. Now that'd be a real 380 Ralliart and it'd be sending those Typhoons and XR6Ts crying home to mummy.

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 05:06 PM
hence why im in the process of selling the maggie and buying a new car.
What kind of Magna do you have? Chances are you could very well be worse of by getting a newer more "fuel efficient" import that may save you a little on fuel but will cost you more at the end of the day.

A classic example of this myth that downsizing engine capacity and/or car size saves you cash, is that the new 380 with its 3.8L V6 costs around $15 LESS per week to run than an Accord Euro with it's 2.4L 4-pot. You may save around $5 per week on fuel but servicing, parts and repairs, insurance and other running costs take it well above the 380.

This is typical of current and even recent cars. Basically what I'm saying is THINK BEFORE YOU GIVE AWAY YOUR POOR "MAGGIE"!:cry:

TN88
26-07-2006, 05:34 PM
Is your car running ok?.If if is,keep it.Save your money,mate.

bunnysoy
26-07-2006, 05:43 PM
I'd say there is a good chance the price of fuel will drop below $1 per litre again. Very few people have actually questioned why it's gone so high.

Some may find the below an interesting read. I'd say the article has a fair bit of weight as even Warren Buffet has acknowledged speculation in the commodities market. Something is up when the price per barrel goes from $25 to $75 in 3 years

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166038,00.html

His comments can be found here.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/05/news/newsmakers/buffett_050606/index.htm

In any free market there has always speculation ramping up and then dumping the price, be it real estate, the share market or currencies. My wife lost 40% of her savings that she held in Pesos after investors dumped the currency. You might be surprised on how often it happens.

Type40
26-07-2006, 06:22 PM
240 would sound better and would make sense.

Oh God no! Remember the Volvo 240 GL from the '80's! They cant call it that! Mitsu need tp move away from the woolen cardy not closer! lol

Tessa403
26-07-2006, 07:38 PM
LMA@TO ......

I was thinking the same thing re: the old Datto 240K!

adz89
26-07-2006, 08:04 PM
Oh God no! Remember the Volvo 240 GL from the '80's! They cant call it that! Mitsu need tp move away from the woolen cardy not closer!

Sorry before my time :D But, I do know the Volvo you are talking about. It is the one with the massive headlights and is extremely boxy.

I really don't think that many people would remember the Volvo though, considering how many were originally sold and how many are still around compared to the Mitsubishi 240 (or alternative name) which may well end up selling over 2,000 cars a month.


LMA@TO ......

I was thinking the same thing re: the old Datto 240K!

Re: My previous comment. The Datto 240K was probably more common then the Volvo 240 GL though. It really depends.

Problem is that now that the 380 name is 380 and it is too late to change it now it will be the same car as the 380 in terms of design and the brand needs the two cars to have model names that relate to each other. So eithe 240 or 380 would do it. Maybe keep calling it a 380 and then underneath where it says 380 (in the bottom left corner, underneath the tail light) add a badge that says 4 in an italic font. If not it would help people (who see the cars) to differntiate the two by the 4 cylinder version having a different name, based on its engine size, like the 380; or just call it a Galant, which was mainly a 4 cylinder car in its time in Oz (apart from the few V6's).

Mrmacomouto
26-07-2006, 08:07 PM
People don't want economy, they want power!

Diamante81
26-07-2006, 08:11 PM
Make the 2.4lt 4cyl into a 2.8lt 4cyl and call the car a 280 (sounds better than 240) and hopefully one day down the track a 480 or 580 AWD :badgrin:

I would also like to see a 4cyl range limited to the ES and SX badges. I wouldnt like to see a VRX or GT 4cyl.




And i think the Challenger is being dropped because the new Outlander is bigger and will have a V6 option.

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 09:18 PM
I should also add another twist to this whole debate by saying that a few months ago (could have been last year) MMAL CEO Rob McEniry (I think it was him) saying that they are already lobying Japan for an updated drivetrain for 380's mid-life transformation for 2008. Along with a MIVEC SOHC 3.8L V6 option, there is also the option of an all-new MIVEC DOHC 3.5L V6 mated to a 6 speed auto, currently being developed in Japan.

What happens to the name then?:confused:

Gas_Hed
26-07-2006, 09:33 PM
Along with a MIVEC SOHC 3.8L V6 option, there is also the option of an all-new MIVEC DOHC 3.5L V6 mated to a 6 speed auto, currently being developed in Japan.

What happens to the name then?:confused:

Wouldnt really matter, they could call it the Mitsubishi Co*kFag and i'd still want one of these babies :)

Gas_Hed
26-07-2006, 09:34 PM
Edit: Double post, sorry.

adz89
26-07-2006, 09:59 PM
I should also add another twist to this whole debate by saying that a few months ago (could have been last year) MMAL CEO Rob McEniry (I think it was him) saying that they are already lobying Japan for an updated drivetrain for 380's mid-life transformation for 2008. Along with a MIVEC SOHC 3.8L V6 option, there is also the option of an all-new MIVEC DOHC 3.5L V6 mated to a 6 speed auto, currently being developed in Japan.

What happens to the name then?

As said before they could keep the 380 name, but simply place the engine capacity in cylinders under the words 380. So a have the word 380 under the left tail light, the number 4 below it, and have the model variant under the right tailight (or place the 4 under the model variant, or even along side it, eg ES-4, SX-4). Perhaps limit the VRX and GT to the pure 380 range to give them a degree of exlusitivity.

If they did end up releasing a 380 with DOHC 3.5L and six speed auto :D then they could just make it where the badge 3.5 underneathe the word 380, along side the model variant or beneath the model variant. If not they could just have a Mitsubishi 350 and name the upcoming 2.4litre variant of the 380 the '240'.

Doesn't really bother me, as long as it makes sense as to why the name it what it ends up being named. As long as it brings a vehicle with excellent export potential, adds sales to the domestic market and secures their existance of car manufacturing in Australia - I am happy :D

TFBoy
26-07-2006, 10:13 PM
great news-best ive heard for awhile

i dont see any problems in calling them 380 2.4

the numbers bmw uses are out a little bit too, so i dont see any problem with it


but im definately against the 240 ---- doesnt sound good, yeah i can imagine some old volovo 240GL lol

maybe mmal should run a some kinda of "name the new model" if its coming out:D

VeradaBoy
26-07-2006, 10:57 PM
As said before they could keep the 380 name, but simply place the engine capacity in cylinders under the words 380. So a have the word 380 under the left tail light, the number 4 below it, and have the model variant under the right tailight (or place the 4 under the model variant, or even along side it, eg ES-4, SX-4). Perhaps limit the VRX and GT to the pure 380 range to give them a degree of exlusitivity.
That's not a bad idea actually.

Mitsubishi 380 2.4L: ES-4, SX-4, LS-4 etc

Mitsubishi 380 3.8L: ES-6, SX-6, LS-6 etc (then you'd just have VRX, LX and GT as V6-only variants)...

I like it! "SX-6" has a particular ring to it.:)

TFBoy
27-07-2006, 07:23 AM
yeah like the "SV6" & "SS" lol

Killbilly
27-07-2006, 07:40 AM
yeah like the "SV6" & "SS" lol
But better :P

The_Monk
27-07-2006, 07:46 AM
If they now take the ultimate step and move away from FWD to AWD the car will sell like hotcakes.

M4DDOG
27-07-2006, 08:17 AM
If i hear one more person rat FWD i'm gonna snap lol.
sx-6 sounds good :cool: .

tommo
27-07-2006, 10:15 AM
^^^ 4 Wheels are better than two and you know it lol

Those MIVEC engine variants sound awesome :drool:


That's not a bad idea actually.

Mitsubishi 380 2.4L: ES-4, SX-4, LS-4 etc

Mitsubishi 380 3.8L: ES-6, SX-6, LS-6 etc (then you'd just have VRX, LX and GT as V6-only variants)...

I like it! "SX-6" has a particular ring to it.:)
That would be good and if they did get the 3.5 DOHC and 3.8 SOHC MIVEC's have the SOHC as an option all the models above ES-6 and the DOHC as an option in the VRX and GT.

Then a Ralliart 380 based on the DOHC 3.5 with a coupla snails nailed on and marketed directly against the Typhoon/XR6T's.

Although I wouldn't expect anything like this happening for a few years. What's been said earlier though is very valid though. Mitsu just don't currently have the reputation to compete with Ford/Holden/Toyota. Ford and Holden have their V8 fans and Toyota has it's reliability tag. Mitsu need to start giving their ads soul, maybe drawing on their WRC/Dakar experience, like Toyota has been doing but they've used F1. Interesting ly though has anyone checked out Mitsu's website lately http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au. Looks like something big is being planned :P

M4DDOG
27-07-2006, 10:37 AM
Interesting ly though has anyone checked out Mitsu's website lately http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au. Looks like something big is being planned :P
There's a post in the general section about the website, about the "revolution". Sounds promising :).
But they need more tv coverage, say ads saying "Mitsubish - The revolution is coming"....or something. a 5 second add that get's people thinking, hmmm, i wonder what it will be. Kinda like on the simpsons "Gabbo is coming", people fall for it lol.

noftus
27-07-2006, 11:02 AM
re: calling it "380 2.4"

.... imho there is nothing marketable or sexy about that.

I think numbers are more difficult to difficult to associate emotion or feeling to. Marketing of course was a major part of the reason for initial lack of interest in 380 S1.

It would be nice to see them come out with a new class name, eg: 380 Verada, 380 Solara.

[TUFFTR]
27-07-2006, 11:05 AM
re: calling it "380 2.4"

.... imho there is nothing marketable or sexy about that.

I think numbers are more difficult to difficult to associate emotion or feeling to. Marketing of course was a major part of the reason for initial lack of interest in 380 S1.

It would be nice to see them come out with a new class name, eg: 380 Verada, 380 Solara.
One of the reasons mitsu didnt call it a verada or solara becuase then people would of linked the 380 directly back to the magna purely by name....new car = new names, although evrada is ultra classy it would be stupid if they used it again

noftus
27-07-2006, 11:09 AM
ummm.....yes, it was an example for the concept i was explaining.

i am completely aware that verada and solara and magna properties.


please see the idea, and not the example.

Diamante81
27-07-2006, 11:10 AM
I have seen the poster boards for the new Revolution ads. The are about 4 full TV ads to come out but 2 teaser ads to come out 1st. Apparantly they are using a Beatles song 'Revolution' in the ads (I don't know the song but i hope its good).

The teaser ads are basically a new Trition driving along and pulling up next to a range of new Mitsubishis (Ralliart Colt, 380, New Pajero and New Outlander but they will be covered) and the voice over saying something like 'with a revolution you don't just change one thing, you change everything.'

The full ad will be similar but a MK Trition will be driving along and all the panels will fly off and the engine comes out, just leaving the driver in mid air and then a new ML Triton will re-build around him. They will also have a ad like this for the New Pajero and for the current Evo Lancer, a WRC Lancer is flying along and hits a bump in the track and launches into the air and while in mid air the car freezes and all the panels fly off leaving the driver and co-driver floating in the air and a Evo9 re-builds around it and then it un-freezes and lands on a proper road in the city.

Hope that makes sense.....they looked pretty good to me....I'm just not sure how the song goes !

Mad iX
27-07-2006, 11:11 AM
Not really a surprise, more of an inevitability. I'm not convinced that a 4-banger will do that much for the 380. Won't hurt but I doubt it'll be a big hit. It's not even going to happen for more than a year anyway.

[TUFFTR]
27-07-2006, 11:11 AM
ummm.....yes, it was an example for the concept i was explaining.

i am completely aware that verada and solara and magna properties.


please see the idea, and not the example.


kk gee :roll:
me no comprendo englese senior:confused:

M4DDOG
27-07-2006, 11:37 AM
I have seen the poster boards for the new Revolution ads. The are about 4 full TV ads to come out but 2 teaser ads to come out 1st. Apparantly they are using a Beatles song 'Revolution' in the ads (I don't know the song but i hope its good).

The teaser ads are basically a new Trition driving along and pulling up next to a range of new Mitsubishis (Ralliart Colt, 380, New Pajero and New Outlander but they will be covered) and the voice over saying something like 'with a revolution you don't just change one thing, you change everything.'

The full ad will be similar but a MK Trition will be driving along and all the panels will fly off and the engine comes out, just leaving the driver in mid air and then a new ML Triton will re-build around him. They will also have a ad like this for the New Pajero and for the current Evo Lancer, a WRC Lancer is flying along and hits a bump in the track and launches into the air and while in mid air the car freezes and all the panels fly off leaving the driver and co-driver floating in the air and a Evo9 re-builds around it and then it un-freezes and lands on a proper road in the city.

Hope that makes sense.....they looked pretty good to me....I'm just not sure how the song goes !
That sounds like a really really sweet idea for an add, i can see it in my mind and it looks great!

adz89
27-07-2006, 02:31 PM
I have seen the poster boards for the new Revolution ads. The are about 4 full TV ads to come out but 2 teaser ads to come out 1st. Apparantly they are using a Beatles song 'Revolution' in the ads (I don't know the song but i hope its good).

The teaser ads are basically a new Trition driving along and pulling up next to a range of new Mitsubishis (Ralliart Colt, 380, New Pajero and New Outlander but they will be covered) and the voice over saying something like 'with a revolution you don't just change one thing, you change everything.'

The full ad will be similar but a MK Trition will be driving along and all the panels will fly off and the engine comes out, just leaving the driver in mid air and then a new ML Triton will re-build around him. They will also have a ad like this for the New Pajero and for the current Evo Lancer, a WRC Lancer is flying along and hits a bump in the track and launches into the air and while in mid air the car freezes and all the panels fly off leaving the driver and co-driver floating in the air and a Evo9 re-builds around it and then it un-freezes and lands on a proper road in the city.

Hope that makes sense.....they looked pretty good to me....I'm just not sure how the song goes !

That sounds really good for a change. Something different, something with life in it and hopefully something that grabs the viewers attention. Any idea when the adverts will start? I've got a feeling it will be August 1st (as that is when the Mitsubishi Revolution site reveals the Triton area), but I'm not sure.

Diamante81
27-07-2006, 03:56 PM
From what I was told the teaser ads are supposed to be starting very soon.

I just remembered one of the other ads too. It's for the MIVEC engines and it's kinda like that screensaver that builds the engine from scratch and when its finished the engine is floating in mid air and a Colt appears around it and the bonnet closes and u see the Colt drive off the factory line and it drives next to some more MIVEC engines just floating in mid air and then cars like the Grandis and Outlander surround the engines to show all the different Mitsi cars with MIVEC engines in them.

M4DDOG
28-07-2006, 07:10 AM
From what I was told the teaser ads are supposed to be starting very soon.

I just remembered one of the other ads too. It's for the MIVEC engines and it's kinda like that screensaver that builds the engine from scratch and when its finished the engine is floating in mid air and a Colt appears around it and the bonnet closes and u see the Colt drive off the factory line and it drives next to some more MIVEC engines just floating in mid air and then cars like the Grandis and Outlander surround the engines to show all the different Mitsi cars with MIVEC engines in them.
:drool: sounds sweet dude! Let's hope they dont skimp out on effects :)