my thoughts on the tippy shift....

i changed the shift direction last week as it seemed un natural to me...
it's now great when im doing immaginary laps of bathurst on the way to work etc.. i think it's much more sutied to 'circuit racing' now... but for 'street racing' i dont think it's as good... now im talking stock cars here so the g's involved dont count... off the line yeah it's easier to pull back than push up, but i usualy just stick it in D anyway.... but what i miss is when crusing along at 60k's... and im a traditional auto slaming the stick back for the kickdown, thats awesome.... but it's not the same now... pushing up to kick down.... if you get my point!! that said... if you use the tippy great easy mod.....

also i think there should be a tippy lock, so that when ut in tippy mode you have yo press the button down to slide back to D... anyone else think so??? i have just noticed when your killing it, and taking a left hand corner hard and go to shift or whatever, i find i have pulled the shifter back into d sometimes and then the box does what it wants not what i want... i just think a simple shift lock kinda arrangment would be nice

also is there any way of improving shift speed... without modifying the valve body, i know that the shifts can be easily sped up if someone cracks the ecu for example... i dont want harsh shifts, but it's currently designed for comfort, and the shifts are slow.... yes my box is in good working order and is normal... i've heard that maybe the ralliart has improved tippy shift response???? it has to be electronis cos the shifter in tippy mode isnt mechanically connected to the box, the cable mechanisim is free.. anyway...

have you looked into shift kits?

that might give it a quicker change but there will still be a delay.

www.shiftkits.com.au tried to do a kit for magna's but gave up.

how did u change the shift direction?

From memory shiftkits gave up as the self-learning tcu was too hard to do. I would think that the only way that you could set the shift speed is by playing with the shift maps. I haven't heard of anyone doing this anit'd be a fair effort to do. I would think that the only option would be if you know someone in a Mitsu R&D department. Even then they may not be able to help you. Sorry.

Ever since the first time I really used the tippy effectively (on a 2 lane motorway onramp, slapped it down twice to go from 4th to 2nd at about 75km/h) I knew mitsubishi had got the orientation of the shifter right the first time.

Down = Down
Up = Up

I'm no racecar driver, but it makes sence to me.

I agree on the tippy lock function, mines slipped into D round a corner a few times now. Also you are right with the direction, for "manual" drivers, down = up and up = down, and vice versa for "auto" drivers, but why would a manual driver buy tippy anyway? We all know its just an auto with a switch.

i think the way the tippy works now is fine. up goes up a gear , down goes down a gear.

which ever way it went people would always complain.

yes second gear is down first, as with fourth from third.

but first is up from second, third up from second, and fifth up from 4th....

in the end eitherway its fine... i have no problem with it.

the only thing that would be cool, is first shift goes down second shift up, third down, and fourth up. hahahaha wouldnt that be funny to watch someone drive lol

anybody see a way of doin this? with a relay that reverses it after every shift depending on which gear its in:nuts: itd be cool :D lol

Tippy would be great if the shifts were instant and firm, but having that delay and not to mention only about 1/4 of the control over the gearbox anyway. Like putting it in to 1st and going WOT and at 30 changing to 2nd and it holds 1st till red line anyway :doubt:

Like putting it in to 1st and going WOT and at 30 changing to 2nd and it holds 1st till red line anyway :doubt:


nope in my car it changes straight away, so you can nail it in 1st and keep shifting while floored and it will shift as soon as you tell it to.... unlike a regular shift auto

Traditional racing sequential shifters are push forward for downshift, pull back to upshift :-)
mostly due to the forces involved dont go popping gears under high directional load.

ive only played with the tippy once in a vrx, not bad, but i wasnt quite ready for the ecu to do all the shift selection thinking for me :-)

tap tap.. whats my gear??.. oh, there it is, thanks mr ecu. hehehe.

tho after a few late brakes and a double tap, ya get used to it.

i didnt really give it much upshift flogging as it wasnt my car, but truelty, if i was that keep on shifting, surely id have a clutch pedal :-)

For tiptronics Mitsu has it backwards, Ford has it right, inverted that is

Up = Back a gear
Down = Up a gear

With the mitsu ones I get mixed up sometimes but the falcons I'm perfect everytime 'shrugs'

I just prefer manuals for the sence of security factor i think

ok taking the tippy one step further..... i know it's all electrical... i wouldn't personally do it, but.... how awesome would it be if the shift bittons were on the steering wheel?? even a crappy sirion daihatsu had them... could easily be done!!!

ok taking the tippy one step further..... i know it's all electrical... i wouldn't personally do it, but.... how awesome would it be if the shift bittons were on the steering wheel?? even a crappy sirion daihatsu had them... could easily be done!!!


Nah, thats how the semi-auto is in the SV6, you end up changing gears when turning corners without even noticing, it gets really annoying!!!

Or on flappy paddles:). It would be really easy to do as well.

Or on flappy paddles:). It would be really easy to do as well.

then i would have one of those F1 Magnas!!!:D you cold use the parts from a playstation steering wheel etc... lol

ok taking the tippy one step further..... i know it's all electrical... i wouldn't personally do it, but.... how awesome would it be if the shift bittons were on the steering wheel?? even a crappy sirion daihatsu had them... could easily be done!!!

You need a different clock spring to get the wires through to the wheel. After that, not too hard. Bit like this.

then i would have one of those F1 Magnas!!!:D you cold use the parts from a playstation steering wheel etc... lol
Could probably get a KJ Xi clock spring and wire it into the audio controls on the wheel. but why :nuts:
:fruitcake
EDIT: should refresh more, greenmat beat me to it

my thoughts on the tippy shift....

i changed the shift direction last week as it seemed un natural to me...
it's now great when im doing immaginary laps of bathurst on the way to work etc.. i think it's much more sutied to 'circuit racing' now... but for 'street racing' i dont think it's as good... now im talking stock cars here so the g's involved dont count... off the line yeah it's easier to pull back than push up, but i usualy just stick it in D anyway.... but what i miss is when crusing along at 60k's... and im a traditional auto slaming the stick back for the kickdown, thats awesome.... but it's not the same now... pushing up to kick down.... if you get my point!! that said... if you use the tippy great easy mod.....

also i think there should be a tippy lock, so that when ut in tippy mode you have yo press the button down to slide back to D... anyone else think so??? i have just noticed when your killing it, and taking a left hand corner hard and go to shift or whatever, i find i have pulled the shifter back into d sometimes and then the box does what it wants not what i want... i just think a simple shift lock kinda arrangment would be nice

also is there any way of improving shift speed... without modifying the valve body, i know that the shifts can be easily sped up if someone cracks the ecu for example... i dont want harsh shifts, but it's currently designed for comfort, and the shifts are slow.... yes my box is in good working order and is normal... i've heard that maybe the ralliart has improved tippy shift response???? it has to be electronis cos the shifter in tippy mode isnt mechanically connected to the box, the cable mechanisim is free.. anyway...


great work.

i reckon ford have it right/er.

please give me a run down on the process. switch wires?

the shift direction is personal preferance.... i just did a search on it.... someone covered it pretty well in another post..... then i just switched the wires around, and thats it... to easy.. takes about 15min..

I drove a tippy XR6 last week, and i found the shift direction retarded! Whilst coming to a stop, pushing up to go down the gears felt really wrong. (IMO, even more wrong than changing from 1st-2nd by pushing up).
:think:

yeah, it's a personal thing.... and what you get used to..

just like the indicator on the other side... i have had 2 cars like that one german one aussie!! and i still prefer it that way...

ok taking the tippy one step further..... i know it's all electrical... i wouldn't personally do it, but.... how awesome would it be if the shift bittons were on the steering wheel?? even a crappy sirion daihatsu had them... could easily be done!!!





well an r34 tippy has 'em. try and check it out

Okay.. Here in Brisbane.. the Auto Electrician that patches looms and that for 101 Motorcafe actually has actually done this on his pride and joy!

Clock springs from a Sirion.. I believe he said in his VR-X Lancer..?!

I'll see if I can grab him the next time I'm there and talk to him about it! See whether he reckons its feasible or not!

SuFz :rant:

how did u change the shift direction?


it's down the bottom of the second page of this thread

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37686&page=2&highlight=triptronic

I did it and love it this way.

each to their own hey...

Okay.. Here in Brisbane.. the Auto Electrician that patches looms and that for 101 Motorcafe actually has actually done this on his pride and joy!

Clock springs from a Sirion.. I believe he said in his VR-X Lancer..?!

I'll see if I can grab him the next time I'm there and talk to him about it! See whether he reckons its feasible or not!

SuFz :rant:

That would be great!

Shift buttons on the steering wheel, seems easy enough, all you'd have to do would be to add another 2 switches connected where the tippy normally goes for up and down. But Yes feeding the wires through would be the tricky part.

discovered something possibly better.

when i did it, i couldn't work out which were wires 3 and 4. so i got my test light out and probed some wires.

save yourselves the microswitch part, follow the plug and connector mounted just ahead of the shifter.

there are two wires, yellow (with silver trace(i think)) and a white one, these can be cut before the plug and swapped around.

thats what i did... and after a nice country drive today, im much happier...

You dont want paddles on the wheel

If you did that then they would steer around with you.

You want them fixed to the steerng stem like a three-on-the-tree. This would be even easier to install, no need for clock springs and you dont get confused by being at 180deg turn and having to have your hands on the wheel to change gears.

You could also have them as forward downm gear and backward up gear and have one on each side or left down a gear and right up a gear.