I've only had my car for a week, but I've already notice a pretty big lag in the up-change when giveing it a bit, both in Auto & Manual modes. What can be done to close this gap with out spending Millions of $$$?

Probably not alot. Means you need to adjust your driving habits when shifting. Shift up when you're around the 5100 mark it it will probably shift at 5500 which is at peak power.

As Redav said that is what I do...
Also if you reset you ECU... (remove battery for 15-30min)... and then drive ike a bat out of hell for a day or two... it will adapt quite well.
Mine in Full Auto mode stays in the gears ALOT longer than it used to before "teaching" it how to drive :D

Haydn

PS ... remeber to find your Radio code before you do this otherwise you will have no doff doff.

you always get that with autos. as you get used to the car tho you'll learn how to anticipate and change immediately with no lag at all.

It is a tiptronic, that is why there is a delay. The only way to get around it is to buy/convert to a manual, or to have the box rebuilt to perform faster/harder gearchanges (expensive).

I have the tiptronic box - since you have only been driving it a week i understand how laggy it may feel - however as you get used to it your brain automatically compensates for it, and soon you wont even realise there is actually a lag.

you will be like - change at 6000 rpm ? no problemo!
;)

I have the tiptronic box - since you have only been driving it a week i understand how laggy it may feel - however as you get used to it your brain automatically compensates for it, and soon you wont even realise there is actually a lag.

you will be like - change at 6000 rpm ? no problemo!
;)

says the man whos trans fluid boils out :P

i have to agree its slightly anoying at first i always drve a manual before getting the vrx. I now dont mind the auto tip because i floor it the car drops 2 gears then i go tiptronic.

should have bought a manual ;)

Manual

i like it when you peak the crap outa first gear...hits rev limiter BER BER BER...then u change to second.....SOUNDS SOOO WICKED!!!!



BER BER BER BER BER!!!! :lol:

As Redav said that is what I do...
Also if you reset you ECU... (remove battery for 15-30min)... and then drive ike a bat out of hell for a day or two... it will adapt quite well.
Mine in Full Auto mode stays in the gears ALOT longer than it used to before "teaching" it how to drive :D

Haydn

PS ... remeber to find your Radio code before you do this otherwise you will have no doff doff.

hehe yeah mines the same man.

Auto wont change to next gear any less that 3500 revs.. or it will hold at 3500 (probably thinking.. wheres the rest of the pedal buddy) before changing.

In the morning it has the biggest shit at me. Driving slow cause of the cold start..

Im on my second tipronic at 45000km. Its starting to go like the first one.

Lagging and overreving at any throttle position esp at 2-3 shift.

Back to the dealer yet again. I hope you dont have this problem. I still rekon its a faulty ECU thats burning my boxes.

i like it when you peak the crap outa first gear...hits rev limiter BER BER BER...then u change to second.....SOUNDS SOOO WICKED!!!!



BER BER BER BER BER!!!! :lol:

i did that in the test drive car (vrx) it bunny hoped me and almost thru me orf the rd lol (first 5 mins in the car) thing you gotta remember is that mitsu gears are short ratio.

i have only done it a few times in my current vrx because ive accidently left it in tip mode.

on a brighter note... although the tiptronic box is rather disappointing... i guess we need to give mitsu the credit for being one of the first jap manufacturers to put a semi manual into their cars...

it certainly set the trend... but it is time to step up...

test drove the mazda6 last wkend again... got to love the way it shifts ... playstation style :p

[quote:253e62cebf]should have bought a manual [/quote:253e62cebf]

i agree ;)

Trav

on a brighter note... although the tiptronic box is rather disappointing... i guess we need to give mitsu the credit for being one of the first jap manufacturers to put a semi manual into their cars...

it certainly set the trend... but it is time to step up...

test drove the mazda6 last wkend again... got to love the way it shifts ... playstation style :p

While giving them credit for the first is ok.

I dont give them any credit for that fact their boxes are still faulty, especially considering how long they have been around.

i hate it in the vrx when u leave it in drive and go to upshift like u do in tip mode and it goes in nuetral and goes brrroooomn

i hate it in the vrx when u leave it in drive and go to upshift like u do in tip mode and it goes in nuetral and goes brrroooomn

HAHAHA
Do it all the time... (Oh the shame)
Trying to be cool and take of fast in front of someone.... then you change to second... forgetting it is in D.. and it goes to Netural :D (doh)
you have to then push it quickly back in D and buy that time it has changed to 3rd or something... and becasue you foot is flat to the floor it down shifts automatically to 1st or 2nd and then it reves again..
it sounds like you have just missed the gears and you are a complete looser :D

Ive worked out if you quickly push it back over into the TIP mode... you can upshift at the same time...
So when it screems in nutural .. you QUICKLY!!!! put it into D and then accross into SA mode and then up shift to stay in 3rd or what ever gear it is in..
Well thats what Ive started trying to do :D

Haydn

sounds like good burnout technique too :badgrin: ... hope the transmission lasts, mine doesnt like to be told what to do!

a tad off the topic - possible/worth it? to put a tip tronic into an auto? would it be cheaper than a manual conversion?

i hate it in the vrx when u leave it in drive and go to upshift like u do in tip mode and it goes in nuetral and goes brrroooomn

ahuh i agree and i think that mitsu need to have a better visual aid to remind you when its in tiptronic OR make it so the tiptronic does not go down thru the gears on braking

i have this LARGE hill down the rd where i chuck it in 2nd to go down it at 50 but i get to the rnd about at the bottom and forget to chuck it back in auto so i take off and rev it hard. i think they need to change the green selector leds to blue or even have a HUD unit on the windscreen (which would be mega kewl).

or even have a HUD unit on the windscreen (which would be mega kewl).

HUD's were trialled in teh S13 nissans that i know of - though I am sure some Europeans have done it as well - and basically - during the day - you can't see it as it is not dark enough and during night driving - it is in teh way and too distracting - so as cool as it sounds (and it would look funky) it would be a little impractical!!

Manual

well in any case id like them to do something about making it more noticable what mode its in.

should have bought a manual ;)

ManualWould have cept I picked it up for the right price.. $20200.. pretty damned good with the 18"s considering yards are selling 2000 Exec's for $19990 still round here.

With the whole "Learning" auto thing, will it re-learn after time with out disconnecting the battery?

I think it will. I think there's two learning sides. There's the 'Am I a 3.0 or 3.5 and give me a while and I'll get the idle right' and 'Oh, so that's how you're driving lately'.

Yes it will....the computer is constantly storing info about shift points, throttle position, engine load, speed, etc.

I'm not sure of the exact figures but it uses something like the last 50 gear changes to try determine how you're driving.

Definitely, a 5 spd tiptronic like mine in the VRX changes differently, depending whether I have been driving slowly for the last couple of days, with a light foot, or if I have been hammering it.

I wonder how it recognises the times that you play with it 'manually'?? Do they add up to overall calculation? for instance, if i drive like granpa with it in D, but push it across to 'manual' to hammer past the Commodores etc, does the tranny remember all that hard acceleration? or does it ignore it because it is 'manually' selected?



ps.s I like the way the tranny holds onto gears on slight to medium hills, unlike a few other autos I've driven - which seem to want to move up into top gear soon as it can.

five speed tiptronic is noticeably better than the four speed, for shift quality and acceleration overall. :)

The INVECS 2 auto trans fitted in mitsubishi cars with tiptonic is only in learning mode when in drive. As soon as you push it to "sports mode" it turns the learning off until it goes back to drive.
So if you were going to the drags I would give it a fair hammering in auto and the drive the rest in sports to preserve the high sift points.
Tiptronic rocks.

You could, but wouldn't you want to drive normally in drive then fang it in tiptronic mode? Or are you saying the brains are pretty smart and will shift at the rights points where you might not shift?

if anyone knows - how much to shove a tiptronic box into an auto?

I dont know..... BUT I might have a spare one for sale at some stage soon.
Haydn

ha i drive like a granny in D and go hard in "Sports mode". Did the crapest thing the other day.. seen a fully pimped out TL VR-X from Vic ( dunno what he was doin up here, the dude was like 50+ ) stopped at the lights in front of me. This TL looked sweet as cause it had 18/19's, was white, and was about 9-12mm of the ground :shock: So when i was turning i forgot the i was in D and went to upshift... into neutral she went.. i was cut :oops:

Life goes on.. scared the hell out of my chick :lol: :lol: :lol:
He didnt even look :cry:

Hang on a second, the so called "tiptronic" we have is just an electronic device that tells the auto too shift. The gearbox is the same as the TH ones etc... Nothing special people.

A real "tiptronic" semi-auto is found in the porsches or ferrari's... They shift immediately, with hydrolics not just electronics telling when to shift.

Thats my 2 cents anyways. :badgrin:

p.s. Its not "expensive" to get a "tiptronic" like auto for magna's, all you need is the electronics. Right? = :roll:

Hang on a second, the so called "tiptronic" we have is just an electronic device that tells the auto too shift. The gearbox is the same as the TH ones etc... Nothing special people.
A real "tiptronic" semi-auto is found in the porsches or ferrari's... They shift immediately, with hydrolics not just electronics telling when to shift.
Thats my 2 cents anyways. :badgrin:
p.s. Its not "expensive" to get a "tiptronic" like auto for magna's, all you need is the electronics. Right? = :roll:
Thats not true...
Im sure that they are diferent boxes...
ie you can have 5 speed SA box and the serial numbers will be similar but then there is a part of the number that describes the interior..
there are stronger 5 speed SA boxes than others.. and this would mean that there is a difference between SA and auto..
m2c

Haydn

i asked my dealer [car] about switching from auto to tip-tronic - and he said it would be more expensive and more work than putting a manual in...

can anyone comment on that one for me?

as i've had it quoted to put a manual in about 3.5 thousand - didnt even ask 'em about putting TT in.

Lol.. Haven't been here for a long long time, but thought I might add my 2 cents..

I'm ashamed to say that I keep plonking it in neutral when I think that I'm shifting to 2nd =P Perhaps the ECU is useful for something. Let's just hope it doesn't start memorising _that_ shift pattern =P

I'd imagine that it wouldn't be too difficult to convert an auto tranny to tiptronic since it's basically only electronic signals (there are four major cables/wires under the tiptronic system, probably their info handled by the ECU, I think). Probably could find parts at a wrecker somewhere, find an auto electrician to wire it up. At worst, you'll need to modify the ECU to cope with it (hopefully just a firmware update).

If it ends up costing you though, get a manual. After the first few months, the tiptronic feature does get a bit worn out in terms of fun. You might have the stick, but you still don't have a clutch to kick =)

.......I'd imagine that it wouldn't be too difficult to convert an auto tranny to tiptronic since it's basically only electronic signals......
Completely different boxes!
It is more than just the stick..... ECU, BOX, Cable, Stick, Wiring etc etc.

Haydn

I went to the dealer today for a minor problem and I asked the technician to advance the timing a little bit - which he refused - but he advised me to cancel the INVECS mode for good if I want more performance

Anybody did that?

He said he will call me to test drive a VR-X without INVECS before turning mine off as you can't reactivate it afterwards.

What did he mean with "more performance" ?

Probably INVECS smooths out the shifts taking longer to reach next gear, disabling it might speed up the shifts but most licklly resulting in rougher operation of the box(les refined)

What? INVECS can't be turned back on? That sounds like BS to me! The Service manual, in the section on diagnosing the automatic box, has instructions which say to turn it off, "do test", then turn it back on again. It's just a menu option within the MUT-II ECU Programmer. Unless they are talking about doing something else?

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As for auto->Tiptronic conversions, read this thread... http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=86203

Summary: I Think it might be possible to just add the wiring for the up/down shift buttons, but no one knows if the ECU is actaully programmed for it on our models. (And no one's game enough to test it out!)

Maybe someone could hire a magna?
lol

Maybe someone could hire a magna?
lol
That thought had crossed my mind!