I’m normally quite a calm person, it takes a lot to really piss me off, but right now, im really pissed off, and its time to rant!

Since Monday morning, my car has been getting a major, MAJOR service at an exhaust/servicing place where one of my brothers friend works at. I knew I needed the 200 000km service things done (timing belt, spark plugs, water pump), but knew there would be other things needed doing too.

Anyways, quite a few extra things needed doing, such as an engine mount, gasket cover somethingorother, radiator cap, to name a few, and I also got injectors sonic cleaned (whatever that means) and a valve clean.

Ok now before all this, my car had been suffering from a loud ticking noise in the engine bay, which seemed to be getting worse. Said ticking sound increased in speed with revs, and after a spirited drive, the car would start sounding like a diesel! So this was one of the things I wanted addressed.

So this arvo, right as they are closing, I pick the car up, hand over more than $2000, and was informed that the ticking noise was noisy lifters, and to fix, would of cost a lot more on top. So I was told that the loud noise remained.

Start the car up, yep ticking noise sure is still there. Get down the road, bloody hell its twice as loud as it was before! By now I’m starting to fire up, and told myself I would be on the phone first thing in the morning about it, cos it was clearly unacceptable. 3kms down the road, sitting at lights, embarrassed about my ridiculous, louder-than-a-diesel-pajero Magna, the noise somehow was getting louder! By this time I had the window wound up to drown the noise out, and I kid you not, for about 10 seconds I was convinced that what I was hearing must of been construction work nearby, like a jackhammer or similar. Im not joking! I then go to take off from the lights, the car starts to stutter, so I quickly pull off the main road, where the car dies, and wont turn on.

RACQ comes out, reckons by the sounds of things the timing belt might have slipped a few teeth, which could mean big problems. He also notices the car is leaking coolant, and engine oil! Not the sort of thing you want happening after spending $2000, and not having these problems beforehand!

Got it towed back to the place (it was all closed up), and have been told by the manager, not to worry and that he will get it all fixed up.

All I can say is, he had ****ing better!!

Well that sucks balls...

Wow man! That really sux!!!! I really hope they fix it. Especially when you have the mindset of spending all that money to get you beloved car some TLC and they go and do that.

Take this one all way if need be

That sucks man, I just sunk $2912 into mt 3l TE (it's at 300k though not 200k) and I know how ropeable I would have been if that's all my money bought me.

Brisbane northside you have to go to Shaun at Goodyear Strathpine for magnas, don't know if this is anywhere near you though but worth remembering.

I hope it all gets sorted and you are compensated for the embarrasment of sitting at the lights in a pajero :redface: :P

Good luck mate.

I’m normally quite a calm person, it takes a lot to really piss me off, but right now, im really pissed off, and its time to rant!

Since Monday morning, my car has been getting a major, MAJOR service at an exhaust/servicing place where one of my brothers friend works at. I knew I needed the 200 000km service things done (timing belt, spark plugs, water pump), but knew there would be other things needed doing too.

Anyways, quite a few extra things needed doing, such as an engine mount, gasket cover somethingorother, radiator cap, to name a few, and I also got injectors sonic cleaned (whatever that means) and a valve clean.

Ok now before all this, my car had been suffering from a loud ticking noise in the engine bay, which seemed to be getting worse. Said ticking sound increased in speed with revs, and after a spirited drive, the car would start sounding like a diesel! So this was one of the things I wanted addressed.

So this arvo, right as they are closing, I pick the car up, hand over more than $2000, and was informed that the ticking noise was noisy lifters, and to fix, would of cost a lot more on top. So I was told that the loud noise remained.

Start the car up, yep ticking noise sure is still there. Get down the road, bloody hell its twice as loud as it was before! By now I’m starting to fire up, and told myself I would be on the phone first thing in the morning about it, cos it was clearly unacceptable. 3kms down the road, sitting at lights, embarrassed about my ridiculous, louder-than-a-diesel-pajero Magna, the noise somehow was getting louder! By this time I had the window wound up to drown the noise out, and I kid you not, for about 10 seconds I was convinced that what I was hearing must of been construction work nearby, like a jackhammer or similar. Im not joking! I then go to take off from the lights, the car starts to stutter, so I quickly pull off the main road, where the car dies, and wont turn on.

RACQ comes out, reckons by the sounds of things the timing belt might have slipped a few teeth, which could mean big problems. He also notices the car is leaking coolant, and engine oil! Not the sort of thing you want happening after spending $2000, and not having these problems beforehand!

Got it towed back to the place (it was all closed up), and have been told by the manager, not to worry and that he will get it all fixed up.

All I can say is, he had ****ing better!!

Keep us in form man like to hear wats happened and wats rong with the dam thing

$2000??? For a service??

$2000??? For a service??
not your regular service! It was the 200k service, which typically costs $1000 or so, but I needed a few extra things done.

Just pray the noise you heard wasn't valves bouncing of other metallic objects.....such as you pistons...:shock:

not your regular service! It was the 200k service, which typically costs $1000 or so, but I needed a few extra things done.
lol and looks like they did a pretty dodgy job too. I'd be demanding that they fix it for nothing.

Just pray the noise you heard wasn't valves bouncing of other metallic objects.....such as you pistons...:shock:

The lack of engine oil wouldn't help the lifter noise.......

Doesn't sound good Tim, hope it all gets sorted out with a minimal of fuss mate.

Just pray the noise you heard wasn't valves bouncing of other metallic objects.....such as you pistons...:shock:
yeh thats what the RACQ guy said too! :mad:

Even if this is the cause, the mechanic was the one that screwed it up so it should be fixed for free, although the engine would need to be pulled apart and would take about 1 week to fix (inc waiting for parts).

Even if this is the cause, the mechanic was the one that screwed it up so it should be fixed for free, although the engine would need to be pulled apart and would take about 1 week to fix (inc waiting for parts).
Dont worry, im either getting it fixed 100% for free, or I will be fighting it!

Besides, i literally have no money left. Had to pay on credit card (up to the max) and then savings (now have $12 left)!

****... that sux monkey balls.... sorry to hear mate.

I hope it all gets sorted out and fixed up with no fuss...

Keep us informed...

What arshole's! Best of luck with it mate. I think the lesson here is be careful where you take it.

Yeh mate thats sux!! the worse thing is its all on credit!!
man i would spitting chips :rant:

dude i hope they sort it out for nothing, if they ask for more money take a baseball bat 2 em j/k's!!


good luck :thumbsup:

So how did it go?

Sorry to hear. geez after spending $2000, you'd think your car would run better than it was before. Hopefully since your bro's mate works there, there shouldn't be any problem getting it fixed. Just hope they don't do a dodgy job.

Yeh mate thats sux!! the worse thing is its all on credit!!


Actually at least with a credit card you can do a reverse payment if you need to. If they really try and screw you over, just get the money back from your bank and walk away.

Instead of demanding it fixed for free, demand your $2k back and take the car elsewhere. They clearly have no clue what they were doing. Sound like such dodgy people. I hate that about mechanics, you put your car in their hands, trusting it to them, and such a high percentage are jerks that are just out to rip you off.

I disagree about the money back thing as 2k might not be enough to fix the problems they have caused,

I disagree about the money back thing as 2k might not be enough to fix the problems they have caused,
What's a replacement engine cost these days?

SECOND HAND OR REBUILT? cause i wouldn't accept a second hand one so a rebuilt engine plus labour is more than 2g

Well aparrently a bracket or something that was holding the cam in (or maybe the tensioner, cant remember) snapped clean off! They ordered a few new parts needed and they will be put on tomorrow. It will be only then that they will find out whether or not they got lucky and a valve has been bent or not!

I got the impression the guy was trying to suggest it had nothing to do with their work (I will have something to say about that!).....but there was no mention of extra money, yet, so we will see.

:cry:

Damn! That'd piss me off for sure as well. Hope it all turns out good for you

sorry to hear about your car tim_e, i hope it works out and you get it fixed

sorry to hear about your car tim_e, i hope it works out and you get it fixed
cheers!

and i should say thanks to everyone who have wished me all the best with this in this thread, appreciate it :)

Did you ask for a new tensioner?,if no,theres not much you can do really,They are not really responsible for parts that are not requested to be changed,Sure they can check it for function ,but this is never fool proof,if they left a bolt out etc ,sure, they are responsible in this case.It`s a fine line really

Steve

Did you ask for a new tensioner?,if no,theres not much you can do really,They are not really responsible for parts that are not requested to be changed,Sure they can check it for function ,but this is never fool proof,if they left a bolt out etc ,sure, they are responsible in this case.It`s a fine line really

Steve
they are responsible if they removed the tensioner and didnt put it back on properly...To be honest im very wary of what they tell me from now on. Im not mechanically minded, they could of stuffed up and blame it on something else. I think its more than a coincedence that something goes bang 5 mins after they have touched it, rather than nothing going bang the previous 4 years I have owned it!

Just keep note of what you asked them to do. Also might be worth asking them for a report of some sort in writing of what they have found and the root cause of failure in case you need to take this issue further. Pics would be nice if they allowed you to take some. Document as much as you can in regards to dates and discussions. This comes in handy later on in life if they become difficult in regards to rectifying the problem.

All the best with it.

regards

Dont worry, im either getting it fixed 100% for free, or I will be fighting it!

Besides, i literally have no money left. Had to pay on credit card (up to the max) and then savings (now have $12 left)!
Mate i feel for you! I really do...:cry: Is there any way of stopping a credit card transaction? Maybe if you could suspend the payment they will listen to your greavances a little more. I really dont envy you. I would hate for something like that to happen to myself.

I know exactly how you feel since basically the same thing occurred to me just over a month ago, except I had probably driven 600km since leaving the mechanics and then literally break down between Sydney and Melbourne with a shredded timing belt after getting that replaced for over $1g.

Paying for the towing to get it back to Sydney wasn't easy either!(Yes I had credit in my credit card but not enough for the towing!).

Breaking something major in the middle of nowhere is really an experience that you don't want to have! My faith in mechanics (even though this occasion it wasn't the mechanics fault, but who can I trust now?) are extremely low now (and they were low before), I'm glad i'm mechanically minded and I think from now on I'll be getting things repaired myself or I'll be buying a new car on a leasing agreement so I change vehicles way before the major service is due.

sorry to hear mate, but a big f*** off to everyone who instantly condemns the mechanic/s who did the job on the car without even knowing what actually caused the problem.. in the end, we are all human, and no one is perfect.. sh** will happen, and im sure the problem will be sorted swiftly, whatever it is!

call your bank now... stop the transaction..... make up some story!!!


i had a car dynoed.... i had recently spent 5k doing up the motor and etc... the motor had previously been rebuilt and had a few $$$ spent on it.... i wasnt there but they blew it up!!! and fudged the dyno printouts that they gave me... then tried to pass it of as it's just an old crappy car... motor was proably tired... what they did was lean it out too far, the tried to cross out the af ratio and the dyno times... then over reved it piston met valve... BUT THEY DIDNT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kept flogging it till the whole #2 piston dissapeared and he rod went through the block!! i managed to sell the cam and manifolds and other stuff etc... the mechanic who disassembled the motor said it was a great motor and why it blew up, their fault.... i said nothing to the shop who wrecked my car, but i said i know you rooted it... their time will come!

Well hey, it just keeps getting better and better! :rant:

Bent valves.

Apparently a dowell holding in the cam, just a peice of metal apparently, has sheared off, and ****ed things up big time! He said it could of been the new timing belt placing more pressure on it...

Wont have the car for at least a week. He kept saying "we'll look after you" and added "we wont charge you labour costs". When i got off the phone i was like, does that mean he thinks im paying for parts? IMO saying he wont charge for labour suggests admission of guilt, cos i seriously doubt they are not charging me labour costs out of goodwill :doubt:

WTF??? a dowell broke and caused all these problems lol i would be asking to go and see it and also take some photo's and post up of it as i HIGHLY doubt this guy is telling the truth, sounds like he is playing on you not know much about cars


just my 2c

I get sooo angry at things like this. There are times when I actually think there might be violence in my nature.:rant: :disgusted

Anyway mate, if you need some people to come with you next time you need to see the mechanic just ask. I'm sure there are some QLD boys with a little more knowledge that would be willing to interpt the BS the mechanic will tell you. I'd offer but I probably know a lot less than you do.

A good mechanic will actually show you the part that broke and what he is replacing. There's one guy in berwick who did that. His service was brilliant, just too bad he doesn't know much about magnas lol.

"we'll look after you" and added "we wont charge you labour costs" HA, i wouldnt even pay for the parts. Document everything.. He should be up for a rebuild. May be worth even considering an independant assesment on it before he starts putting things together.

regards

Wont have the car for at least a week. He kept saying "we'll look after you" and added "we wont charge you labour costs". When i got off the phone i was like, does that mean he thinks im paying for parts? IMO saying he wont charge for labour suggests admission of guilt, cos i seriously doubt they are not charging me labour costs out of goodwill :doubt:

I reckon you are spot on with this! He is'nt doing it out of good will as you say. Definately guilt. Maybe he set the pre load on the tensioner incorrectly (too tight) and this is what caused the pin to shear... I hear the tensioner has to be spot on or if its too loose they slip teeth and too tight...well... Best of luck though. I hope it works out ok.

So the mechanic is now supposed to see flaws in oil covered dowels:nuts: Come on guys have a bit of a think about it.

Ask for the piece of broken dowel back Tim. It will be easy to tell if it has sheared off or if it has been cut. I can't see how all of you immediately blame the mechanic without even seeing anything. It is possible for a flaw to be in the metal dowel, that over time has propogated and with the strain from the new timing belt, has fractured.

The mechanic could have been an ****hole and tried to charge you for everything. If possible go in there and have a talk with the guy that is working on your car and get him to show you the damage and take some pics. Also clear up what, if anything they will charge you for.

Yeah fair point. I just guess it's from past expirence. In the last 10 years that I have been having cars serviced, I have been ripped off at ever single one except for my current one. I feel sorry for the honest mechanics out there but there are soooooo many dodgy ones us common folk need to be careful.


Don't get me started on washing machine repair guys... Grrrrr.

Well hey, it just keeps getting better and better! :rant:

Bent valves.

Apparently a dowell holding in the cam, just a peice of metal apparently, has sheared off, and ****ed things up big time! He said it could of been the new timing belt placing more pressure on it...



according to that it's a dowel that holds the cam in, now i can't see that braking would cause this problems as cams are not held in by dowels ( a cam spining at 3,000rpm help in by a dowel ? how the hell to the cams stay in the rocker covers :bowrofl:), there bolted in, which is why i said i don't believe what the mechanic is saying,

So the mechanic is now supposewd to see flaws in oil covered dowels:nuts: Come on guys have a bit of a think about it.

Ask for the piece of broken dowel back Tim. It will be easy to tell if it has sheared off or if it has been cut. I can't see how all of you immediately blame the mechanic without even seeing anything. It is possible for a flaw to be in the metal dowel, that over time has propogated and with the strain from the new timing belt, has fractured.

The mechanic could have been an ****hole and tried to charge you for everything. If possible go in there and have a talk with the guy that is working on your car and get him to show you the damage and take some pics. Also clear up what, if anything they will charge you for.
This is the one reason I havent got into an argument with them, yet. He says he can show me the damaged dowell. I will be getting 2nd and 3rd opinions from other mechanics first.

having a good think about it, they could be refering to the dowel in the end of the cam that locates the cam gear, however the only way i can see this breaking is if the cam gear was moved while the timing belt was getting put on and then when you have taken the car because teh cam timing was out the valves have hit the pistons and caused a the cam to move in a way it shouldn't and thus causing the locator dowel in the end of the cam to snap,

all in all tho i believe it's the mechanics fault from the information on hand at this point

well im off to drown my sorrows with numerous beers (gotta spend my last $$ for the week on something good right!?) :P

i feel sorry for u mate i really do

keep us all updated on this, it's a very interesting dilema

Good Luck with it all bro!

If you need help sorting em out.. You know where I am.. :badgrin:

SuFz :rant:

So what's happening?

having a good think about it, they could be refering to the dowel in the end of the cam that locates the cam gear, however the only way i can see this breaking is if the cam gear was moved while the timing belt was getting put on and then when you have taken the car because teh cam timing was out the valves have hit the pistons and caused a the cam to move in a way it shouldn't and thus causing the locator dowel in the end of the cam to snap,

all in all tho i believe it's the mechanics fault from the information on hand at this point

I think your spot on. The dowel would of most likely snapped after the valves had hit the pistons. Dowels dont just snap by themselves.

It is possible they had removed the crank gear to replace the cam seals and not tightened the bolt for the gear back up properly. Then while running the gear has vibrated and snapped the gear.

Its sounding like their fault.

Hey mate i feel really sorry for you i hope u get it sorted out soon

this happeend to me on another note i had new clutch fitted in my chrysler so what need new one so they fitted i here a a pig squell comming form gear box.

Works out the mechanic forgot to put the new spigot bearing in so at the end of the day a $200 clutch kit cost me a lot more (had to get new gear box) i hate dodgy mechaincs AND (RAA APPROVED WORK SHOP I MAY ADD) and i know it may cost a bit more but thats why ill be taken mine to a mitsi dealer from now on

Well finally got my car back today after 2 weeks without.

This is what he explained to me, keep in mind I'm a complete noob when it comes to engines, so he could of told me anything - he reckons what caused the damage was a pin the size of a grain of rice holding in some dowell came out or snapped off or something. Anyways supposedly that keeps the cam from spinning, and when it broke it was free to spin, and ****ed things right up. Im not exactly sure what they have done to fix it, other than replacing some valves.

Thank god, at least the car was back to being a bit quieter than when i first dropped it off. I was simply going to snap if it ticked like a freakin diesel when i picked it up this time. I find it very hard to beleive that different oil could make such a massive difference for noisy lifters (they changed the oil to a thicker type and this was their explanation for when the lifters were REALLY noisy.
I can still hear them, but not as bad as before I took it to them. I could live with it for sure, can hardly hear it now while driving.

Anyways I suspect that noise is linked to what happened when it broke down. If you heard how it sounded, and how it got louder just before it broke down, you would understand.

Something shifty going on IMO. Anyways they have said they wanna charge me for just parts, about $500-600 it will be. I didnt have any money in the first place so i didnt pay and said that I would work something out later.

Tomorrow I'm gunna go talk to a Mitsu mechanic, or a guy down at the local servo.
But, well I have my car, and they dont have my money! :P

I’m normally quite a calm person, it takes a lot to really piss me off, but right now, im really pissed off, and its time to rant!

Since Monday morning, my car has been getting a major, MAJOR service at an exhaust/servicing place where one of my brothers friend works at. I knew I needed the 200 000km service things done (timing belt, spark plugs, water pump), but knew there would be other things needed doing too.

Anyways, quite a few extra things needed doing, such as an engine mount, gasket cover somethingorother, radiator cap, to name a few, and I also got injectors sonic cleaned (whatever that means) and a valve clean.

Ok now before all this, my car had been suffering from a loud ticking noise in the engine bay, which seemed to be getting worse. Said ticking sound increased in speed with revs, and after a spirited drive, the car would start sounding like a diesel! So this was one of the things I wanted addressed.

So this arvo, right as they are closing, I pick the car up, hand over more than $2000, and was informed that the ticking noise was noisy lifters, and to fix, would of cost a lot more on top. So I was told that the loud noise remained.

Start the car up, yep ticking noise sure is still there. Get down the road, bloody hell its twice as loud as it was before! By now I’m starting to fire up, and told myself I would be on the phone first thing in the morning about it, cos it was clearly unacceptable. 3kms down the road, sitting at lights, embarrassed about my ridiculous, louder-than-a-diesel-pajero Magna, the noise somehow was getting louder! By this time I had the window wound up to drown the noise out, and I kid you not, for about 10 seconds I was convinced that what I was hearing must of been construction work nearby, like a jackhammer or similar. Im not joking! I then go to take off from the lights, the car starts to stutter, so I quickly pull off the main road, where the car dies, and wont turn on.

RACQ comes out, reckons by the sounds of things the timing belt might have slipped a few teeth, which could mean big problems. He also notices the car is leaking coolant, and engine oil! Not the sort of thing you want happening after spending $2000, and not having these problems beforehand!

Got it towed back to the place (it was all closed up), and have been told by the manager, not to worry and that he will get it all fixed up.

All I can say is, he had ****ing better!!
Oww :(
What was the Problem?
Did you Blow a Head or something? :(

Oww :(
What was the Problem?
Did you Blow a Head or something? :(
bent the valves immediatly after spending $2000+ on 200 000kms major service. Thats the general gist, more info in the thread in its entirity.

bent the valves immediatly after spending $2000+ on 200 000kms major service. Thats the general gist, more info in the thread in its entirity.

Good to hear you got it sorted mate, hope it doesn't cost you any more and theres no more problems with it.

I wouldn't pay a cent mate, sounds very dodgy.

being a mechanic who does all this sort of work for a living can i just say that we are not all the same but some of us out here do take pride in our work & pride in customers cars.
as to the problem with the timing belt pulley dowel it was more than likley that whoever had fitted the kit forgot to tighten up the retaining bolt causing it to viabrate then snap the dowel (which by the way is 8mm thick ) i personally would be contacting consumer affairs and the MTA (motor trades association) as his insurance should have covered the repairs caused to your car by faulty workmanship. i hope this can help you understand what happened.

being a mechanic who does all this sort of work for a living can i just say that we are not all the same but some of us out here do take pride in our work & pride in customers cars.
as to the problem with the timing belt pulley dowel it was more than likley that whoever had fitted the kit forgot to tighten up the retaining bolt causing it to viabrate then snap the dowel (which by the way is 8mm thick ) i personally would be contacting consumer affairs and the MTA (motor trades association) as his insurance should have covered the repairs caused to your car by faulty workmanship. i hope this can help you understand what happened.
I understand fully. The mechanic stuffed up and so should pay for it. Like you said, his insurance will cover it. If not, his bad luck. Bad workmanship is no excuse.

being a mechanic who does all this sort of work for a living can i just say that we are not all the same but some of us out here do take pride in our work & pride in customers cars.
as to the problem with the timing belt pulley dowel it was more than likley that whoever had fitted the kit forgot to tighten up the retaining bolt causing it to viabrate then snap the dowel (which by the way is 8mm thick ) i personally would be contacting consumer affairs and the MTA (motor trades association) as his insurance should have covered the repairs caused to your car by faulty workmanship. i hope this can help you understand what happened.
Yes i find it hard that a part "The size of a grain of rice" is holding in a part that can cause the engine to just sh!t itself....

*EDIT*
I would also take it to an RACV inspecter and get it fully checked out to make sure they haven't just done another dodgy on it.

Yes i find it hard that a part "The size of a grain of rice" is holding in a part that can cause the engine to just sh!t itself....

*EDIT*
I would also take it to an RACV inspecter and get it fully checked out to make sure they haven't just done another dodgy on it.
well so far it seems to be running fine. Smooth idle, can hardly hear the lifters at idle, only really at slow speeds when taking off. Engine mount has done wonders too, so much smoother when taking off hard. Took it for a good hard drive last night, was going hard. So it should be running great though, i DID pay $2100 for it!

well so far it seems to be running fine. Smooth idle, can hardly hear the lifters at idle, only really at slow speeds when taking off. Engine mount has done wonders too, so much smoother when taking off hard. Took it for a good hard drive last night, was going hard. So it should be running great though, i DID pay $2100 for it!
lol yeh and look how far that $2100 got you :P. I'd just be cautious as they've already burned you once, DEFINITELY wouldn't pay them to fix THEIR mistake.