All,

I have done a search on putting the Verada instrument cluster into magnas but only got some info on KH veradas (Apparently they were some special technology from teh Dimante or somthing) No mention on what type was in the KJ/KJ2 or TL's.

Basically, I want to know if you can swap a TL VR-X (AWD if that matters) instrument cluster for the Verada one. I personally hate white face instruments, they just look too in your face for my tastes. They appear to look basically the same, except for the tinted glass. Is that all the difference is? Just with brighter globes?

If it is a straight swap, will the orginal K's automaically come up or will they have to be programmed.

Also, if anyone knows the answer, why do the Verada models have those crappo looking orange reflectors in the sides of the rear bumpers? And for that matter, why are the bumpers longer and more dorky looking?

Adam.

Generally the K's will be stored in the cluster.

Tried looking at the wreckers for an instrument cluster? Shouldn't be to hard to figure out if it's going to work or not.

All,

I have done a search on putting the Verada instrument cluster into magnas but only got some info on KH veradas (Apparently they were some special technology from teh Dimante or somthing) No mention on what type was in the KJ/KJ2 or TL's.

Basically, I want to know if you can swap a TL VR-X (AWD if that matters) instrument cluster for the Verada one. I personally hate white face instruments, they just look too in your face for my tastes. They appear to look basically the same, except for the tinted glass. Is that all the difference is? Just with brighter globes?

If it is a straight swap, will the orginal K's automaically come up or will they have to be programmed.

Also, if anyone knows the answer, why do the Verada models have those crappo looking orange reflectors in the sides of the rear bumpers? And for that matter, why are the bumpers longer and more dorky looking?

Adam.
I want to go the other way! TJ sports is selling me a TJ sports AWD cluster. Its about $150 to get the cluster reprogrammed, but from what I've seen on this forum, verada clusters have a different wiring loom (anyone know this for sure). You certainly can't use a cluster that is pre TJ II AWD, as the trip computer is different for the AWD. None of the clusters you need have globes, they all have LED's that are surface mounted onto the circuit board. I found the hard way the VRX/sports clusters seem to have brighter LED's. I put a genuine white face dial overlay on my TJ AWD (which was black), and now I can't read it properly because of the much lower intensity of illumination. The best plan of attack for you is to source the overlay that you like off a verada/standard magna, get a speedo place to take your needles off, put the new overlay on, then put the needles back and recalibrate (~$80 + cost of the overlay), then you'll have the look you want, with the same cluster

Word of warning - this little exercise has cost me a **** load more cash than I wanted, just for a dial :nuts:

All,

I have done a search on putting the Verada instrument cluster into magnas but only got some info on KH veradas (Apparently they were some special technology from teh Dimante or somthing) No mention on what type was in the KJ/KJ2 or TL's.

Basically, I want to know if you can swap a TL VR-X (AWD if that matters) instrument cluster for the Verada one. I personally hate white face instruments, they just look too in your face for my tastes. They appear to look basically the same, except for the tinted glass. Is that all the difference is? Just with brighter globes?

If it is a straight swap, will the orginal K's automaically come up or will they have to be programmed.

Also, if anyone knows the answer, why do the Verada models have those crappo looking orange reflectors in the sides of the rear bumpers? And for that matter, why are the bumpers longer and more dorky looking?

Adam.
1. Verada bumpers are longer due to US diamantes having longer bumpers due to their
regulation that cars must not sustain any damage at speeds up 40km/hr. Gives extra
impact absorption. The KL Veradas went back to using Magna ones and people started to
complain so they went back to the longer ones in the KW.

2. Those reflectors are side markers for added safety (due to longer car body). Another
US regulation. In fact the new Volvos have a small bulb in them as well.

3. The Verada instrument are the high contrast auto luminous ones. They are fully lit up.
As in, the needles, numbers etc. From memory, when you start the car up, the needles
light up, then the dials then the whole dash. The cluster is always lit up whether you have
the headlights on or not.
4. The odo reading etc are stored in the trip computer. Whether that is located in the
cluster or part of the ECU, I'm not sure.

4. The odo reading etc are stored in the trip computer. Whether that is located in the
cluster or part of the ECU, I'm not sure.

Definitely in the cluster

1. Verada bumpers are longer due to US diamantes having longer bumpers due to their
regulation that cars must not sustain any damage at speeds up 40km/hr. Gives extra
impact absorption. The KL Veradas went back to using Magna ones and people started to
complain so they went back to the longer ones in the KW.



I believe you mean 4 klm/H not FORTY!

I believe you mean 4 klm/H not FORTY!
Sorry my bad. What I mean is bumper damage is not classified as car body structure
damage and it is 40kph (25mph). In Europe, people use bumpers literally. You can't find a new car with no bumper
damage.

Nah you're still confusing the 40klm/h overall 'minimum injury' rating (pretty much the same as here and our ADRs), which isn't 'no damage to structure'. Any 40klm/h crash in a car will cause considerable damage to all structures; but the rating is rather about minimum damage to OCCUPANTS.

Separate to this is the US's mandatory no damage to structure in a 2.5 mph low speed bumper to bumper nudge (which i don't believe we have an equivalent for):

Lookie here:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/studies/Bumper/Index.html

1. Verada bumpers are longer due to US diamantes having longer bumpers due to their
regulation that cars must not sustain any damage at speeds up 40km/hr. Gives extra
impact absorption. The KL Veradas went back to using Magna ones and people started to
complain so they went back to the longer ones in the KW.

2. Those reflectors are side markers for added safety (due to longer car body). Another
US regulation. In fact the new Volvos have a small bulb in them as well.

3. The Verada instrument are the high contrast auto luminous ones. They are fully lit up.
As in, the needles, numbers etc. From memory, when you start the car up, the needles
light up, then the dials then the whole dash. The cluster is always lit up whether you have
the headlights on or not.
4. The odo reading etc are stored in the trip computer. Whether that is located in the
cluster or part of the ECU, I'm not sure.

Ah Okay, the bumpoers make sense now, simply they are using the US bumpers to make the car look different than the Magna, and because those bumpers are designed for the US market they include the reflectors... understand.

Anyway, to the instrument cluster. I understand what the Verada one looks like, looks excellent. What I was getting at, was wether or not its the same technology as the ultra expensive KH Verada instruments, or simply very bright LED's with tinted glass? Sounds like the reprogramming isn't too much of an issue for Mitsubishi. But still doesn't answer my question of wether or not its a straight swap, the fact that the TL/TW magna has a fair bit of the electric stuff standard (especially the VR-X) and therefore simmlar specs to the Verada, I would think the chances of a common loom being pretty good. Does the instrument cluster DIM when the headlights are turned on?

Adam.

Ah Okay, the bumpoers make sense now, simply they are using the US bumpers to make the car look different than the Magna, and because those bumpers are designed for the US market they include the reflectors... understand.

Anyway, to the instrument cluster. I understand what the Verada one looks like, looks excellent. What I was getting at, was wether or not its the same technology as the ultra expensive KH Verada instruments, or simply very bright LED's with tinted glass? Sounds like the reprogramming isn't too much of an issue for Mitsubishi. But still doesn't answer my question of wether or not its a straight swap, the fact that the TL/TW magna has a fair bit of the electric stuff standard (especially the VR-X) and therefore simmlar specs to the Verada, I would think the chances of a common loom being pretty good. Does the instrument cluster DIM when the headlights are turned on?

Adam.
All third gen Veradas from KE to KW have those instrument clusters. KJII to KW just have
the added electronic trip computer.
The instrument cluster does not dim when the headlights are turned on but however, while
the headlights are on, the dimmer knob can be used to dim the instrument cluster.
As for differences between the clusters, according to my manual for a TW/KW, the
information is the same. The only difference is the smarts added to the Verada for the
following:
Quote from manual:
The meter (aka instrument cluster) only displays when the ignition switch is in the "ON"
position. When the ignition is turned on, the meter illuminates in a four step delay process;
the indicator lights followed by the speedometer and tachometer pointers, followed by the
fuel and coolant temperature gauge pointers and finally the dial faces".
As I mentioned before, the pointers are lit via LEDs as well. Also note that the AWD
clusters don't have the traction control warning LEDs so you need a TL Verada AWD or
a KW Verada GTVi AWD cluster.

Also, the verada bumpers are not just for looks, how many magnas and falcons and c'dores
do you see with pole damage to their boots and no damage to their bumpers. What the
f*** is the bumper for then?????

All third gen Veradas from KE to KW have those instrument clusters. KJII to KW just have
the added electronic trip computer.
The instrument cluster does not dim when the headlights are turned on but however, while
the headlights are on, the dimmer knob can be used to dim the instrument cluster.
As for differences between the clusters, according to my manual for a TW/KW, the
information is the same. The only difference is the smarts added to the Verada for the
following:
Quote from manual:
The meter (aka instrument cluster) only displays when the ignition switch is in the "ON"
position. When the ignition is turned on, the meter illuminates in a four step delay process;
the indicator lights followed by the speedometer and tachometer pointers, followed by the
fuel and coolant temperature gauge pointers and finally the dial faces".
As I mentioned before, the pointers are lit via LEDs as well. Also note that the AWD
clusters don't have the traction control warning LEDs so you need a TL Verada AWD or
a KW Verada GTVi AWD cluster.

Also, the verada bumpers are not just for looks, how many magnas and falcons and c'dores
do you see with pole damage to their boots and no damage to their bumpers. What the
f*** is the bumper for then?????

They brang in the newer high contrast instrument cluster in the KH series. The trip computer was apparently brought in during the KF series (I thought it was KH also, but I have been told it was KF). The cluster can dim when you have the headlights on if you want it to. You can adjust the intensity of the display once you turn the headlights on to an extent that you cannot see it (why would you want it like that anyway?). During the day (with the lights off) there is a button that gives you a lower amount of light (dimmer button), but you cannot manually adjust the amount of light, it is either brighter or dimmer if you know what I mean (only two different levels of light intensity).

I always thought the longer bumpers were a design thing?

All third gen Veradas from KE to KW have those instrument clusters. KJII to KW just have
the added electronic trip computer.
The instrument cluster does not dim when the headlights are turned on but however, while
the headlights are on, the dimmer knob can be used to dim the instrument cluster.
As for differences between the clusters, according to my manual for a TW/KW, the
information is the same. The only difference is the smarts added to the Verada for the
following:
Quote from manual:
The meter (aka instrument cluster) only displays when the ignition switch is in the "ON"
position. When the ignition is turned on, the meter illuminates in a four step delay process;
the indicator lights followed by the speedometer and tachometer pointers, followed by the
fuel and coolant temperature gauge pointers and finally the dial faces".
As I mentioned before, the pointers are lit via LEDs as well. Also note that the AWD
clusters don't have the traction control warning LEDs so you need a TL Verada AWD or
a KW Verada GTVi AWD cluster.

Also, the verada bumpers are not just for looks, how many magnas and falcons and c'dores
do you see with pole damage to their boots and no damage to their bumpers. What the
f*** is the bumper for then?????
You can't use any non-awd cluster. The trip computer has is programmed for the AWD models, not the FWD sedan or wagon. This is in the manual that came with your car. Also, do a search as you'll find no one has been able to put a tjii cluster in a tj 1 or earlier magna. Also do a search on the verada instrument loom, as I'm sure I've seen on here its is different. Try it down at the wrecking yard. There are a piece of piss to take out. Thats what I did for mine (hence why I can't use a standard FWD sports cluster in my AWD. Eddie Wreckers had one for a while, they wanted $350). Have you got the manual on the thats floating aroung the net? PM me if you need it, its got the circuit diagrams you need.
The american export models had a few looms that where different. This may be why the verada's are different.

The instrument cluster does not dim when the headlights are turned on but however, while
the headlights are on, the dimmer knob can be used to dim the instrument cluster.

My KJ1 Verada does, the cluster lights dim as soon as the headlights are switched on, thank god, otherwise they would be too bright for night driving!!!

My KJ1 Verada does, the cluster lights dim as soon as the headlights are switched on, thank god, otherwise they would be too bright for night driving!!!

Is that because your dimmer knob is not set at its brightest level?