hey guys,

I've always wanted bigger brakes, i need something to fill up 20 inch worth of rim! I tried brembo's but needed new rims to fit and the only ones i could find were $3,500 plus the brakes.

I've reaserched something else.

There is a mob down in victoria (not mentioning names so we all don't go emailing him) who do custom brake packages for all sorts of cars especially hot rods and old cars. I emailed him what i wanted and he came back to me with:

One thing I can see from my DBA book is that front of TJ/TL AWD Magna rotors are common with Lancer Evo 1V at 294 by 24.
Evo V throught to Evo V111 are 320 by 32.

I reckon I heard that the AWD Magna drivetrain was common to Evo so maybe brakes fit too, dont know if the Mitubishi experts know this or not?

Ive got the wifes 2WD Magna TJ 3.5 for development work if some one wants to do a 320 by 32 twin piston thing using the Evo rotors and maybe a PBR C5 vette caliper.
Minimum 17 inch wheels and lets say $1,*** for a slotted kit. We dont usually make just brackets if we dont supply the other bits.

Thats $1700 as a rough estimate, with new calipers, braided brake lines, DBA discs and brake pads.

i'm going ahead with this very soon, as i will need more stopping power shortly (pile of parts keeps growing on my floor:D ). Who else would be interested in doing this conversion? I think if we had 5 people interested with money ready, we could possibly get a better price as the development cost of brakets, calipers etc would be divided among us. jump on the PRR website to see what the calipers look like.

The best thing about this conversion is that you get huge discs, new calipers and retain your 17 inch or bigger rim as they are a twin spot caliper not 4 spot.

PM me your interests, or just post here

Jase :cool:

This mob wouldn't be in Hoppers Crossing would they?? I was referred to a certain custom brake mob in Hoppers Crossing Vic some months ago........ if it's the same people - they weren't very forthcomming with info when I phoned them.

But yeah, I'm interested in having more stopping power.

me interested maybe depends

i once researched the EVO option;

i cant remember what the problem was but it couldn't be done without easy modification.

me interested maybe depends
they'd fit the 2nd gens as the struts are the same on both gens (am i right?)

i once researched the EVO option;

i cant remember what the problem was but it couldn't be done without easy modification.
they go on easy enough, u just need hug wheels to clear the caliper. i went down the 3000GT path on my TS (GoTRICE's car) and they fit just a dilemma with finding wheels to suit. Cummins from the ACT has wheels that clear EVO brembo's.

Brembos from EVO VI+ bolt straight up (front and rear) to AWD magnas with no modification :) (it only requires the removal of the front splash/dust guard), i just finished and got back on the road with them last week. they are amazing brakes ..

but yeah, wheel clearance is the major issue. i ended up getting a set of enkei RPF1 18x8's (can't remember the offset) adn they just clear the calipers by around 2mm. problem is only companies like enkei, volk, konig, etc. make wheels that fit and they are stupidly expensive!!:cry:

a thinner caliper is a great idea

I would be interested but not till later in the year.

i'd be interested, especially if there could be a rear kit too, oh only if they fit in my 18's :D which i'm not 100% sure about, as they are only 7.5" wide

i'd be interested, especially if there could be a rear kit too, oh only if they fit in my 18's :D which i'm not 100% sure about, as they are only 7.5" wide
well the caliper shouldn't be much wider, if not the same size as a stock magna caliper so i dont see why they would foul your rims

Im interested as im doing a brake upgrade too.. So its $1700 for just the fronts right.. Not touching the rears..??

I would be interested but not till later in the year.


same here...

this just what i need, bigger brakes! hey paul....

Im interested as im doing a brake upgrade too.. So its $1700 for just the fronts right.. Not touching the rears..??

im with stupid

righto, if i ring them in 3 weeks time saying i have the money, go 4 it! who else would be willing to pay there and then? as i have said b4 if we get a few ppl im sure it'll be cheaper. will also ask about using RDA discs instead of DBA as they are cheaper

righto, if i ring them in 3 weeks time saying i have the money, go 4 it! who else would be willing to pay there and then? as i have said b4 if we get a few ppl im sure it'll be cheaper. will also ask about using RDA discs instead of DBA as they are cheaper

If you get RDA discs, they should be compatable with EBC pads, for those that wanna go the extra distance. DBA's are not compatable.

just got off the phone with the bloke that is going to do this modification for me. Definatly around the 1700 mark with all braided lines, pads etc. He is going to look at the best disc size and caliper and will get back to me soon. probably going a 330mm disc but pending avaliability and $$$ we might just go a 320mm disc.

Give it a month, i should have some huge brakes to pull up my little red cart :cool:

There is a easier option that i have been working on using a rx8 rotor ( the one with the sports suspension) the disc is the same size inevery way exept the disc size which is 320mm. So use your standed caliper get a custom braket made up and buy the disc and away you go.

These any good to anyone?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mitsubishi-GTO-front-4-spot-calipers_W0QQitemZ140018779188QQihZ004QQcategoryZ1 0400QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

righto, if i ring them in 3 weeks time saying i have the money, go 4 it! who else would be willing to pay there and then? as i have said b4 if we get a few ppl im sure it'll be cheaper. will also ask about using RDA discs instead of DBA as they are cheaper


so is it fronts only or front and rear?

There is a easier option that i have been working on using a rx8 rotor ( the one with the sports suspension) the disc is the same size inevery way exept the disc size which is 320mm. So use your standed caliper get a custom braket made up and buy the disc and away you go.
yeah you can do that. So either an evo disc or an RX8 disc are the same so i will be getting a DBA equivilant. I'm going with the PBR caliper as it is a bigger 2 piston caliper than our 2 piston calipers. I suggested to the guy to use my stock calipers but i neither of us see the point in doing a brake upgrade using the stock calipers. I will also be able to off load my calipers, discs, pads and brake lines to someone on the forum looking for a smaller scale brake upgrade.

i wouldn't call it an easier option, i'd call it another option but good to see someone else on the same page as myself

These any good to anyone?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mitsubishi-GT...QQcmdZViewItem
i've got a pair sitting in my garage. if older members remember i went down that path on my old TS and the only way to make them fit is what cummins did (and someone else i think) and get expensive wheels and a spacer to clear the bloody things. These guys used brembo's which are the same size.


so is it fronts only or front and rear?
just the front. will be looking at using 3000GT rear calipers down the track

An update:

the guy making the kit for me has made the bracket template out of some alloy as a template. Once he finalises the template and drawings, its off to the lazer cutter to make up the 2 real brakets.

I should have the kit on my car within 3-4 weeks, here is some pics he sent me today. he has done the setup on his wifes TJ solara (how convenient:D )
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3937/finishedproductgv6.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7062/untitledzz4.jpg

Here is his email of what is going on:
Jason

As promised I got the wife's Magna for a day and we set up a 320 by 32 big brake kit for the front.

It all worked out really well, fitted perfectly with no compromises, just like Mitsubishi would have done it.

I have attached a couple of photos showing std brakes and the 320mm kit which uses EVO 8 rotors and C6 Corvette calipers.

I have finished the bracket design so all we need is your go ahead to have the production brackets etc made by the laser cutters.

Kits as discussed will be $1,***. This gets DBA 4000 heat treated slotted rotors, C6 Corvette calipers in Red, braided hoses to ADR7, all brackets, bolts etc, nothing else to buy.

Everything is totally bolt on and will use the original master cylinder, booster and ABS system with no mods as the Vette calipers are same hydraulic areas as Magna
( 2 smaller pistons replacing one large) Minimum 17 inch wheel will be required.

As is our usual policy note that we will only be selling these as complete kits , no loose brackets available.
I reckon this one looks and will work awesomely.
Get back to me with a credit card if thats ok.

So am I right in saying this kit fits behind a standard set of solara rims (16" at the largest I'm guessing)??

Jase, and you confirm from this bloke wether or not the DBA rotors they intend to supply with this kit will compliment EBC brake pads - you're probably familiar with the theory that EBC pads are too abrasive for DBA rotors.

I get the impression that if DBA make an aftermarket replacement, RDA also make one to the same specs (and I'm pretty sure RDA rotors and EBC pads are a recommended combination).

So am I right in saying this kit fits behind a standard set of solara rims (16" at the largest I'm guessing)??

Jase, and you confirm from this bloke wether or not the DBA rotors they intend to supply with this kit will compliment EBC brake pads - you're probably familiar with the theory that EBC pads are too abrasive for DBA rotors.

I get the impression that if DBA make an aftermarket replacement, RDA also make one to the same specs (and I'm pretty sure RDA rotors and EBC pads are a recommended combination).
mike i'll fire that off in another email shortly. so any other questions plz let me know.

any other pad u would suggest for a DBA disc?

Everything is totally bolt on and will use the original master cylinder, booster and ABS system with no mods as the Vette calipers are same hydraulic areas as Magna
( 2 smaller pistons replacing one large) Minimum 17 inch wheel will be required.


Im guessing he didnt get the Solara wheels on..:)

Did we end up with a few people interested. I must admit im much more interested now ive seen them bolted up to a magna, thats a very impressive rotor! Whats the price? Still around 1700??

Did we end up with a few people interested. I must admit im much more interested now ive seen them bolted up to a magna, thats a very impressive rotor! Whats the price? Still around 1700??
plenty of people were interested, but plenty of people are interested in doing turbo conversions and only a few actually do it.

The template is made now, so if anyone wants a set just let me know he can get another pair of brackets made up.

once they are on my car and working i will let you all know who is doing it

So am I right in saying this kit fits behind a standard set of solara rims (16" at the largest I'm guessing)??

Jase, and you confirm from this bloke wether or not the DBA rotors they intend to supply with this kit will compliment EBC brake pads - you're probably familiar with the theory that EBC pads are too abrasive for DBA rotors.

I get the impression that if DBA make an aftermarket replacement, RDA also make one to the same specs (and I'm pretty sure RDA rotors and EBC pads are a recommended combination).
here's your answer. These guys are tried and tested so i'm gonna take what they give me

Jason
As you may know RDA and EBC are the same company. I think EBC saying their pads are too abrasive for DBA is just a way to get you to buy their RDA rotors.

Without getting into the politics of disc rotor manufacturing lets just say that we have had better results with DBA than other brands, also they have a greater range of performance rotors, the 4000 series heat treating really does work, and they manufacture locally which allows us to obain blank rotors etc.
Also being Australian made is important to us and they do support our business better than any other maker.

I would prefer the pads for this type of car to TRW Lucas, we have had excellent results on the road and track, these are Euro spec good for 650 degrees but still work great cold, and bite well for good pedal feel.

I reckon these pads are better than EBC but if you want to get some and give them a go later I am sure the DBA rotors will be fine.

I cant wait to get these puppies onto my car!!!

An update:
Kits as discussed will be $1,***. This gets DBA 4000 heat treated slotted rotors, C6 Corvette calipers in Red, braided hoses to ADR7, all brackets, bolts etc, nothing else to buy.


Awsome stuff TZABOY.. They will look nice.

Have you ensured you wont get any scrubbing on your rims?

Any reason the price is blanked out?

Awsome stuff TZABOY.. They will look nice.

Have you ensured you wont get any scrubbing on your rims?

Any reason the price is blanked out?

Could've been a discounted price for Jase considering he's organising it all and bringing in the customers :) Which is fair

Could've been a discounted price for Jase considering he's organising it all and bringing in the customers :) Which is fair
Yeah true :) - I actually thought it might be because a few people didnt want the full price known.

You know how people get all touchy when you sepnd XX dollars and someone goes.. THATS A RIP OFF! etc etc

Awsome stuff TZABOY.. They will look nice.

Have you ensured you wont get any scrubbing on your rims?

Any reason the price is blanked out?

The caliper is 10mm bigger than my caliper, and i have 25mm gap between my current caliper and the wheel spoke so it will fit fine:D

Could've been a discounted price for Jase considering he's organising it all and bringing in the customers :) Which is fair
Not getting any real discount, and if i do give out with the price ppl will probably go what a rip off or i can get that cheaper or i can get all 4 done for that price.

everyone will know what the total cost and how has done it once i've finished :cool:

I bet 80% of people who buy this brake package will be doing it just for the looks.

I bet 80% of people who buy this brake package will be doing it just for the looks.

Well i need new rotors and pads and as of next week ill need a brake upgrade of some sort so why not..:P Got to fill those 20`s some how..:P

I bet 80% of people who buy this brake package will be doing it just for the looks.
i get the best of both worlds! Awsome looking brakes and great stopping power for when i go down and race cummins at wakefield park

and that is the only place you will notice a difference, on the track... once a year? Im not breaking balls here its just these brakes will not stop your car any faster under normal conditions. But if looks are your thing they look brilliant get em if you have the money to chuck around.

i get the best of both worlds! Awsome looking brakes and great stopping power for when i go down and race cummins at wakefield park
Can't wait Jase, we're going about every 6-8 weeks so let me know when you're ready!!!

Cummins.

hey, im still interested in these if i decide to keep the magna, which is almost definant, just going to get a second car also.

one thing, is abs etc still all going to work with these?

hey, im still interested in these if i decide to keep the magna, which is almost definant, just going to get a second car also.

one thing, is abs etc still all going to work with these?
yep, he looked into all of that and the kit will retain the magna abs :D

How legal (as per NSW RTA) is this all? Does it comply with any regs re metal strenght of the bracket?
I'd like to get a pair, but 1700 is lotsa dough.

How legal (as per NSW RTA) is this all? Does it comply with any regs re metal strenght of the bracket?
Dunno, prob the same deal as having 20's on your car :D

WOOHOO!!!!

paid and on their way! a week or so i'll have them on my car :cool: :cool: :cool:

WOOHOO!!!!

paid and on their way! a week or so i'll have them on my car :cool: :cool: :cool:

Look forward to the pics!

Are you going to look at upgrading the rears? It will look kinda wierd having massive fronts and tiny rears :)

Look forward to the pics!

Are you going to look at upgrading the rears? It will look kinda wierd having massive fronts and tiny rears :)
i have something in the pipeline, a couple of months away though but it will happen

i have something in the pipeline, a couple of months away though but it will happen

Good to hear! It will really complete the car.

The fronts on a Ralliart are like 294mm or so standard, so you're only going like one inch bigger? My mate has 18's on his Maloo with 350mm discs and the discs still look tiny. If you got them to look bigger in the rim you're probably wasting money. But if you got them to stop better, they might be a bit better.

The fronts on a Ralliart are like 294mm or so standard, so you're only going like one inch bigger? My mate has 18's on his Maloo with 350mm discs and the discs still look tiny. If you got them to look bigger in the rim you're probably wasting money. But if you got them to stop better, they might be a bit better.
i got them for both. i really want to do some track days down at wakefield park with cummins early in the new year so i gotta be able to stop :D

i got them for both. i really want to do some track days down at wakefield park with cummins early in the new year so i gotta be able to stop :D
You need more pad on rotor to stop better. Maybe you should look into getting not only some bigger discs, but also bigger callipers, ie. 4-pot.

You need more pad on rotor to stop better. Maybe you should look into getting not only some bigger discs, but also bigger callipers, ie. 4-pot.
i did of course, i wanted evo calipers but needed new rims to fit over the caliper. Cummins got rims that clear his calipers but they were very very expensive.
the caliper im using is also bigger than a twin pot ralliart caliper and the pad looks to be a lot bigger than a stock one.
I'll be sure to post up pics when i install the kit (prob next wknd) to show the difference between the two
**edit** i have a set of mitsu 4 pot calipers sitting in my garage from when i tried the conversion on my old TS and tried again on my TJ. The calipers are so big would look awsome on a car but they just wont fit behind regular rims

how much more depth is required over a ralliart caliper for the 4 pots?

i did of course, i wanted evo calipers but needed new rims to fit over the caliper. Cummins got rims that clear his calipers but they were very very expensive.
the caliper im using is also bigger than a twin pot ralliart caliper and the pad looks to be a lot bigger than a stock one.
I'll be sure to post up pics when i install the kit (prob next wknd) to show the difference between the two
**edit** i have a set of mitsu 4 pot calipers sitting in my garage from when i tried the conversion on my old TS and tried again on my TJ. The calipers are so big would look awsome on a car but they just wont fit behind regular rims
If the calliper is bigger with more disc coverage it should be awesome. From memory, Ralliart brakes have something like 28% more pad coverage than standard magna brakes or something. Good luck with it mate, keep us posted. Don't take my posts the wrong way btw.

you know those calipers are the same as those fitted to the VT- commodore.....
i suspect you will have a DBA1356 pad in a police spec? (larger surface)
if you could buy the calipers from the wreckers, get the mounts from this bloke, and buy evo rotors, this could be done very cheap.
i think those calipers are availible from bursons for about $300 as a dress up for commodores

Damn...

If the calliper is bigger with more disc coverage it should be awesome. From memory, Ralliart brakes have something like 28% more pad coverage than standard magna brakes or something. Good luck with it mate, keep us posted. Don't take my posts the wrong way btw.
no mate not at all, i asked this guy plenty of questions before we went through with the purchase.

you know those calipers are the same as those fitted to the VT- commodore.....
i suspect you will have a DBA1356 pad in a police spec? (larger surface)
if you could buy the calipers from the wreckers, get the mounts from this bloke, and buy evo rotors, this could be done very cheap.
i think those calipers are availible from bursons for about $300 as a dress up for commodores

Damn...
The caliper is the the same spec as a C5 Corvette, so prob the same as a VT onward commodore. Not using DBA pads. this is what he wrote to me:
I would prefer the pads for this type of car to TRW Lucas, we have had excellent results on the road and track, these are Euro spec good for 650 degrees but still work great cold, and bite well for good pedal feel.
He also just wont make the plate and sell them individually and i'm not a wanker and going to use the plate as a template to make future plates and onsell to others. He's got a business to run and needs an income so i don't mind paying for a product that i want and he is willing to reasearch for me :D

You know what would be a good test Jase. Go out and find a nice secluded bit of road (if possible) And do a braking test from 100km/h to 0 and see how far it takes. Then do the same again with the new brakes and see if there's any improvement.

WOOHOO they arrived today, will be installing them on saturday which means pics for you guys by sunday :cool:

WTF how did i miss this thread !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

id be keen on these

cant wait to see the pics on yur car :D

The fronts on a Ralliart are like 294mm or so standard, so you're only going like one inch bigger? My mate has 18's on his Maloo with 350mm discs and the discs still look tiny. If you got them to look bigger in the rim you're probably wasting money. But if you got them to stop better, they might be a bit better.

Ummm what about the safety factor? Isn't his car gonna pull up better?

Ummm what about the safety factor? Isn't his car gonna pull up better?
Whose? Jase's or my mates with the Maloo? Jase's will if there's more pad and more caliper on the rotor, the Maloo probably wouldn't stop any better than mine because it's so heavy and because his front rotors are actually of illegal thickness atm. :badgrin: But you're right, he should stop better.

Jase's will if there's more pad and more caliper on the rotor,
the pads are huge! they are actually bigger than the pads that fit in my 3000GT 4 piston calipers. they are about an inch longer than the pads on the stock ralliart twin pots. I'll take pics of most things side by side tomorrow

well the brakes are on, not one single hassle. took about an hour to do both sides. Hopefully i'll post the pics up tomorrow once they're hosted. The thing feels like its going to do a forward flip when i hit them hard, absolutly awsome!!!

Let me put this upgrade into perspective mechanically.
The rotor weight increase and the slotted vents help to hold temperatures that will reduce fading. The pad will have high friction coefficient and higher temperature capability before they fade. Overall your brakes will be able to handle 70-100% more heat then stocks before fading. You could brake for hours on a track until your rotors are glowing red and still stop in normal distance. Remember whatever brake you have/fit will activate abs/lock your wheels up in normal driving conditions. The cold stopping distance improvement will be unnoticed. Pedal effort will be reduced giving you very responsive braking. ABS can be activated much faster with more leverage which will put the hard braking factor closer to your tire traction limit.

Although both the stopping capability and the pedal effort can be achieved from using high CF pads only. Slotted rotor replacements with the low temp CF pads will give you a good heat reduction. You can gain 80% of the effects of this upgrade just by replacing rotors and pads at 30% cost. With a $10 can of heat proof paint you can get the looks too.

Let me put this upgrade into perspective mechanically.
The rotor weight increase and the slotted vents help to hold temperatures that will reduce fading. The pad will have high friction coefficient and higher temperature capability before they fade. Overall your brakes will be able to handle 70-100% more heat then stocks before fading. You could brake for hours on a track until your rotors are glowing red and still stop in normal distance. Remember whatever brake you have/fit will activate abs/lock your wheels up in normal driving conditions. The cold stopping distance improvement will be unnoticed. Pedal effort will be reduced giving you very responsive braking. ABS can be activated much faster with more leverage which will put the hard braking factor closer to your tire traction limit.

Although both the stopping capability and the pedal effort can be achieved from using high CF pads only. Slotted rotor replacements with the low temp CF pads will give you a good heat reduction. You can gain 80% of the effects of this upgrade just by replacing rotors and pads at 30% cost. With a $10 can of heat proof paint you can get the looks too.
i couldn't agree more! but i just wanted bigger rotors and calipers to fill in my 20 inch wheels, and so i can brake hard all day long on the race track.

Pedal feels fantastic at all temps! i prob could of achieved something similar retaining the 294mm size, but that just wasnt enough! someone had to do something different :cool:

Sure i'll grap a set after xmas, Anyways what you guys complaining about my stock EXEC brakes work fine just ask the tassie guys, Glowing red some brake shudder still stops be just as good may even better no pedal lost at all. And with these i'll end up popping my eyes outlol