Been looking at getting their Supercharger installed onto my TH.

The Pros as I can see are:

-It's a drive in, drive out, 2-3 day turnaround proposition.
-It's ADR compliant as far as emissions are concerned.
-Being over 35, Shannon's are fine with it, cost an extra $60 per year.
-1 year warranty on mechanical defects with the Kit.
-The car's power will increase. :bowrofl:

The Con's

-It's not dyno tuned. They load a preset map based on the level of mods you have before it's installed. e.g. If you have ported and polished heads, extractors, they install a Ralliart map into their proprietary piggyback ECU, then drive around the block to check it's OK.
-The Supercharger is manufactured for this specific purpose, so you can't change pulleys to make it spin any faster without exceeding the design specs.
-You get 100k Iridium Spark Plugs with the kit, but if the rears need removing or the ijectors etc. need attention, the kit needs to come off. :shock:
-Goodbye strut brace. :cry:
-It costs $7,000. :)

Opinions?:D

Opinions?:D
Dooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
If you can afford to do it that is. If i had the money i'd definitely consider it.

Pros, Freeking fast car, relaible... easy... zoooooooommmmmm!!!

Cons, only one! you will look like a fag smiling so much...

don't headache about the strut brace.....get front and rear sway bar.....more than make up for it.....i've all three whiteline bar......loves the corners...:D now for lowering.....

I found the sprintex kit to be a very tempting option. You've already touched on all the reasons why it's a good option. The main reason I didn't go down that path is the limited opportunities to modify the system to produce more power.

If you can only afford to spend $7000-$8000, I would probably have to say its the best option available.

Cons, they wont put it on a 3ltr :rant: :rant: :rant:

argh, I'll get over it one day.

But if it goes on yours then hey go for it, really good bang for buck, and when you open the bonnet it just looks so neat, no big tubes and crap, just neatly installed.

And the sound, oooohhhh the sound.

You will be grinning from ear to ear mate.:D <=== Like him.

CON: try putting however much power u have on the road...its will be a mobile smoke machine :)

how many kits are left?

Im not very impressed with the results you get from these kits for the money.. I have spent heaps less then this on mine NA engine and will have more power at the wheels when its done..:)

Im going to look into a whipple setup Next year.. Gunna go for most powerful street Magna then..:P

maybe if they had more options with the kits then they would have had more sales

Well i have recently purchased one of these kits. It is in the process of organisng everything now.

the reason i went for the supercharger is because it will be reliable.

Me, i wouldn't know where to start when it come to playing with the engine hence i would have to spend big bucks to get whatever installed.

Also the fact the it is drive in drive out. i got told it takes 2 days...

I have been told to expect around 170+ FWKW and about 40% incease in torque.

I am expecting this to be installed my the 15th at the latest however if there no mishaps i could expectit to be done the week before.

My plan is to wait around 3 months after installing it getting approx 5000kms then i will look into changing the ECU completely. and start some more mods. AFAIK adding anymore to the car once the iunstall has been done voids the warranty

so i guess i wait and hope that it is done before the 17th...

EDIT: O and with insurence... well Just Car absolutely blew me away no increase in my premiums. NOTHING!!!!!!

Now i have no chance of beating you at heathcote :(.

Cittris - congratulations mate, I'm sure you won't be dissappointed with your choice.

Oh BTW, I had the same experience with Just Car when I told them I was TT'ing my car...... I nearly fell off my chair.

Cittris - congratulations mate, I'm sure you won't be dissappointed with your choice.

Oh BTW, I had the same experience with Just Car when I told them I was TT'ing my car...... I nearly fell off my chair.

thanks BB.

lol i didn't the exact same thing when they told me... i was likr GTFO.

doesn't make much sense but whatever

Dr EGO please explain this whipple setup, im intrigued.

edit: quick google search came up with another supercharger brand, customizable? I rang my local supercharger place 'raptor superchargers', they said cant do magnas not anough space in the engine bay with the east west setup. Have you contacted whipple about magnas yet Dr EGO?

Dr EGO please explain this whipple setup, im intrigued.

edit: quick google search came up with another supercharger brand, customizable? I rang my local supercharger place 'raptor superchargers', they said cant do magnas not anough space in the engine bay with the east west setup. Have you contacted whipple about magnas yet Dr EGO?

Raptor use centrofugal blowers (like a belt driven turbo). As a general rule they are normally side mounted, in line with the belts at the front of the engine, making fitting one to a V6 magna (3rd gen at least) pretty difficult. AFAIK, whipple or whatever it's called is a different type of supercharger (different to centrofugal / twin screw etc).

However it's got me stuffed why Dr. EGO would build up his car to a Hi-Po NA stage, and then supercharge it :nuts: . Would be a ****load cheaper to go straight to the SC setup, because those nice long duration cams are going to be as good as useless in a Forced induction application.

However it's got me stuffed why Dr. EGO would build up his car to a Hi-Po NA stage, and then supercharge it :nuts: . Would be a ****load cheaper to go straight to the SC setup, because those nice long duration cams are going to be as good as useless in a Forced induction application.

he said he wanted to explore every avenue, and do it all kinda thing... :nuts:

Whipple make/market a range of Lysholm SC which are the same system as the Sprintex. Most of the Whipple range is made by autorotor and there is plenty of info on the WWW with compressor maps etc for them.
Aurotrotor are available from high performance products in Melb. Hans Pedesen is the man to ask for.

Well i have recently purchased one of these kits. It is in the process of organisng everything now.

the reason i went for the supercharger is because it will be reliable.

Me, i wouldn't know where to start when it come to playing with the engine hence i would have to spend big bucks to get whatever installed.

Also the fact the it is drive in drive out. i got told it takes 2 days...

I have been told to expect around 170+ FWKW and about 40% incease in torque.

I am expecting this to be installed my the 15th at the latest however if there no mishaps i could expectit to be done the week before.

My plan is to wait around 3 months after installing it getting approx 5000kms then i will look into changing the ECU completely. and start some more mods. AFAIK adding anymore to the car once the iunstall has been done voids the warranty

so i guess i wait and hope that it is done before the 17th...

EDIT: O and with insurence... well Just Car absolutely blew me away no increase in my premiums. NOTHING!!!!!!

good stuff mate!

Cant wait to hear the whine of the charger here in VIC! so cool!

Yeah not fussed about cams.. they are easy to change..:P i wanted a go fast NA and ill look into forced induction later. I never do half a job..:P i have looked into this wipple thing but ive been told buy a few people that thats the way to go..:P

Will look at it next year.. oh and nothing is impossible.. it all comes down to the money..:P......which i dont have..:(

I think that for the money, it is a great improvement - I'm also in the same boat as Cittris, I just need to get 5 minutes when the car can be off the road to get it installed :(

Insurance is with Shannons, main reason is that Just Car would NOT increase the agreed value :gtfo: to an amount I considered reasonable considering the price of the vehicle, and the money spent on modifications. If it gets totally written off, then I want to walk away without out-of-pocket expenses.

Sure, it is expensive, but I need a large car for my job - and something like a Subaru is too small - and I have trouble with the pedals being too close together (do they make these for women?!). There really isn't anything with AWD, high powered, with pleanty of room to fit all the gear I regularly carry in an acceptable price range.

If you plan on keeping the car for a while, you may as well enjoy it because you never get your money back on cars...

Yeah not fussed about cams.. they are easy to change.. i wanted a go fast NA and ill look into forced induction later. I never do half a job.. i have looked into this wipple thing but ive been told buy a few people that thats the way to go..

Will look at it next year.. oh and nothing is impossible.. it all comes down to the money........which i dont have..

there is a bit more to cams in a hi po NA motor. but when you want to seell the cams and stuff i will take them :D

Thanks for the input guys!!

Hmmm...Shannon's were quite happy to increase the agreed value. Better check the fine print. :badgrin:

Hey Cittris, looks like I'll see you down at D&G Performance in a few weeks. :D

Just have to get it past the bank *shudders* and the missus *schoolboy giggle*.

Her - Your car's making a funny whistling noise.
Me - Yeah, it's been doing that for a while.......ever since the SUPERCHARGER WAS INSTALLED!! MUHAHAHAHA :bowrofl:

Her - Your car's making a funny whistling noise.
Me - Yeah, it's been doing that for a while.......ever since the SUPERCHARGER WAS INSTALLED!! MUHAHAHAHA :bowrofl:

LOL, I like the sound of that conversation. If the aftermath doesn't go to well in your favour, can I have the super charger kit when she is done?

Just make sure you put it in your will.

If I had a manual, I'd soo do the sprintex super charger kit, I have been looknig around for a manual for a while...

pros - 2 days for major power, epa legal

cons - price(i've built a quicker car for the same price), can't mod the car any further or have mods already, once you get it can't strive for more power, ecu is apparantly tunable but no-one is willing to do it and you lose your warranty, too much low down power(lack of driveability), harder to work on car with the kit fitted.

and depending on the person the noise is a pro/con.

Hey Cittris, looks like I'll see you down at D&G Performance in a few weeks.




lol i am *** hoping to be there by next week...

I am ready to get this done but apparently i am wqaiting on a guy in SA

Too much low down power is a con? Wah? Maybe for a FWD, but the AWD needs some more down low - I find there isn't enough to get moving sometimes.

You can have mods - full exhaust, filter - the usual bolt on stuff, obviously no am ECU, but for most people, this is OK.

I have had experience with modding cars and when someone offers a 2 day, drive in drive out, adr compliant, warantee'ed, insurable, guaranteed power increase... well... why wouldn't you? Been down the path of throwing money at cars, especially with modders who 'guess' what would work.

Does anyone else remember the guy who spent truckloads of $$$ on a car to get very little more out of it?

Does anyone else remember the guy who spent truckloads of $$$ on a car to get very little more out of it?

You mean me? when I threw all the "bolt ons" out of RPW's catalogue at an auto TJII :nuts:

Autos.........:doubt:

Well i just got a date for my SC.

20th of September my car has been booked in.

The kit is being shipped today.

Not exactly what i was after but hey...

I asked for it to be booked the week before but we will see what happens.

Well i just got a date for my SC.

20th of September my car has been booked in.

The kit is being shipped today.

Not exactly what i was after but hey...

I asked for it to be booked the week before but we will see what happens.
congradulations dude, hope everything works out!! im sure you'll be a happy camper soon!

']pros - 2 days for major power, epa legal

cons - price(i've built a quicker car for the same price), can't mod the car any further or have mods already, once you get it can't strive for more power, ecu is apparantly tunable but no-one is willing to do it and you lose your warranty, too much low down power(lack of driveability), harder to work on car with the kit fitted.

and depending on the person the noise is a pro/con.

Yeah, plenty of downsides, but it works. :D

I'm doing a DIY port and polish, and I believe Cittris is looking at an aftermarket ECU down the track, so gains can be made.

I must have missed the thread about your engine buildup, what have you done?

Not sure if anyone with the Sprintex kit has been down the quarter, so how do you mean your car is faster? Got dyno sheets?

Yeah, plenty of downsides, but it works. :D

I'm doing a DIY port and polish, and I believe Cittris is looking at an aftermarket ECU down the track, so gains can be made.

I must have missed the thread about your engine buildup, what have you done?

Not sure if anyone with the Sprintex kit has been down the quarter, so how do you mean your car is faster? Got dyno sheets?

Mulga you gunna do my port n polish lol

yer i will be continuing doing the mods.

ECU, extractors...

I believe that if i change the ECU and tune it properly i could easilt get an extra 10kw atw

only becuase i dont think they will tune it properly.

AFAIK Mulga is right no one has gone down the quarter however. I was reading some material off the sprintex website. the AWD magna went from 16.7 stock to 15.1. quite a vast improvement.

P.s. wtchme was one of your mods NOS?

Mulga you gunna do my port n polish lol

yer i will be continuing doing the mods.

ECU, extractors...

I believe that if i change the ECU and tune it properly i could easilt get an extra 10kw atw

only becuase i dont think they will tune it properly.

AFAIK Mulga is right no one has gone down the quarter however. I was reading some material off the sprintex website. the AWD magna went from 16.7 stock to 15.1. quite a vast improvement.

P.s. wtchme was one of your mods NOS?


Doesnt the sprintex come with some sort of piggy back included in package..??

Mulga you gunna do my port n polish lol

yer i will be continuing doing the mods.

ECU, extractors...

I believe that if i change the ECU and tune it properly i could easilt get an extra 10kw atw

only becuase i dont think they will tune it properly.

AFAIK Mulga is right no one has gone down the quarter however. I was reading some material off the sprintex website. the AWD magna went from 16.7 stock to 15.1. quite a vast improvement.

P.s. wtchme was one of your mods NOS?

If the spare heads I'm doing work out OK on my car, I'll have another set to work on.

2 possibilities - It works out OK, or car blows up. :shock:

I got a Standard Abrasives DIY Port and Polish Kit from Newtools in Sydney, an air powered die grinder, and a shirtload of research, so we'll see what happens......:D

Also, there's a new auto machine shop near me run by a keen young bloke who seems to know what he's doing. He gave me heaps of tips, gave me a P&P demo on a Ford head he was doing.

Is he reasonably priced?

Me- Can you dismantle the 24 valves from these heads? And put the valves in order on some cardboard, and all the bits in plastic boxes, and give it all a thorough clean?

Him- No probs. Might take a bit of time....$40 OK? :noway::)

If the spare heads I'm doing work out OK on my car, I'll have another set to work on.

2 possibilities - It works out OK, or car blows up. :shock:

I got a Standard Abrasives DIY Port and Polish Kit from Newtools in Sydney, an air powered die grinder, and a shirtload of research, so we'll see what happens......:D

Also, there's a new auto machine shop near me run by a keen young bloke who seems to know what he's doing. He gave me heaps of tips, gave me a P&P demo on a Ford head he was doing.

Is he reasonably priced?

Me- Can you dismantle the 24 valves from these heads? And put the valves in order on some cardboard, and all the bits in plastic boxes, and give it all a thorough clean?

Him- No probs. Might take a bit of time....$40 OK? :noway::)

How much to do the whole job then?

Not sure. It's a work in progress. :badgrin:

Estimate about 10 hours to do the P&P and port match intake manifold to heads. Clean all threads, then get heads decked, check tolerances and maybe polish cam journals etc.,reassemble with new valve stem seals, cam seals, gaskets etc., get new timing kit.

VRS kit (gaskets and seals) from
Mitsu - $580.00 (genuine)
Repco -$$330.00 (ACL)

16 Lash Adjusters from
Mitsu - $32 each
Bursons -$8 each (same brand) :rant:

These are some of the things that need to be done. :)

And eventually install heads!!:D

I've put about 15,000km on my Sprintex now and it's all working fine. The way it's setup by Sprintex is pretty conservative so there's plenty of room for tweaking if that's what you want to do. I'd start by turfing the proprietory piggy back ECU and putting in something like a Haltech that anyone can tune. It's not that the one they supply isn't any good, it's just that they won't let anyone tune it. If I could get my hands on the software then that would be a different matter.

As for performance at the moment I'd say it definately has more potential but it's still a very quick car. It's quicker than my mates GT-P in all gears at any speed and my other mates 2000 WRX doesn't come close (except in the wet!).

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Thats rather cheap for a Mitsubishi VRS - I was quoted $700... I take it that this is trade?

I can't wait for my SC to be fitted :) No date set as yet (I have that much work on THIS YEAR that it probably wont get fitted till february at this rate :cry: )

Going to have some fun coming up with some instrumentation beforehand... Digital boost gauge... Hmmm.... Mounted where the trip computer was (not fitted there on AWD's)

Cheers
Heath Young

I just have a query guys.

Can i fit a BOV? If it is possible how?

I've put about 15,000km on my Sprintex now and it's all working fine. The way it's setup by Sprintex is pretty conservative so there's plenty of room for tweaking if that's what you want to do. I'd start by turfing the proprietory piggy back ECU and putting in something like a Haltech that anyone can tune. It's not that the one they supply isn't any good, it's just that they won't let anyone tune it. If I could get my hands on the software then that would be a different matter.

As for performance at the moment I'd say it definately has more potential but it's still a very quick car. It's quicker than my mates GT-P in all gears at any speed and my other mates 2000 WRX doesn't come close (except in the wet!).

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Good to hear mate :)

I think a stock Magna is almost quicker than a GT-P.. They are heavy and pretty slow..

I've put about 15,000km on my Sprintex now and it's all working fine. The way it's setup by Sprintex is pretty conservative so there's plenty of room for tweaking if that's what you want to do. I'd start by turfing the proprietory piggy back ECU and putting in something like a Haltech that anyone can tune. It's not that the one they supply isn't any good, it's just that they won't let anyone tune it. If I could get my hands on the software then that would be a different matter.

As for performance at the moment I'd say it definately has more potential but it's still a very quick car. It's quicker than my mates GT-P in all gears at any speed and my other mates 2000 WRX doesn't come close (except in the wet!).

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You would wait until their 1 year warranty was over though before you started modifying it? Just in case :).

I just have a query guys.

Can i fit a BOV? If it is possible how?

No point. There is a recirculating BOV fitted. Fitting an externally venting one (purely for noise) will screw up your fuel mixtures (metered air going to atmosphere - ends up with rich mixtures - hence why a lot of rice rockets with BOV's tend to spew black smoke and backfire)

Cheers
Heath Young

No point. There is a recirculating BOV fitted. Fitting an externally venting one (purely for noise) will screw up your fuel mixtures (metered air going to atmosphere - ends up with rich mixtures - hence why a lot of rice rockets with BOV's tend to spew black smoke and backfire)

Cheers
Heath Young

Thanks Heath for your response i thought that was the case...

Also is it possible that i fit a boost controller. for the sole reason that so i can change the amount of boost say when i am driving to work?

Also is it possible that i fit a boost controller. for the sole reason that so i can change the amount of boost say when i am driving to work?

You might be able to fit some sort of mechanism to activate the by-pass valve to limit boost, but it's not as easy as in a turbo application where you manipulate the pressure going to the waste gate actuator.

I think a stock Magna is almost quicker than a GT-P.. They are heavy and pretty slow..


lol Very true. I think they weigh in the vicinity of 1800+kg :shock:


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Good to hear mate :)

I think a stock Magna is almost quicker than a GT-P.. They are heavy and pretty slow..
in one of the wheels or motor mags that got a 14.8 for the GT, :bowrofl: im sure it could be quicker but it was a good lol, didn't they get a 14.6 for a ralliart hehe that has 180 kws and the gt has like 280kws. that would kinda suck so have 100kws more and lose, although they still sound like a good V8



lol Very true. I think they weigh in the vicinity of 1800+kg :shock:
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the new GTS is like 1700+ with like 15kws more and they are saying 0-100 in 4.9 and low 13's something isn't right

You would wait until their 1 year warranty was over though before you started modifying it? Just in case :).

The warranty is 12 months or 20,000km so I'm almost there anyway.


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get a turbo charger, much more unique and mechanically better then a super charger

get a turbo charger, much more unique and mechanically better then a super charger

Do you realise what you are saying?:shock:

get a turbo charger, much more unique and mechanically better then a super charger

rofl

:bowrofl:

So which clueless individual told you this?

get a turbo charger, much more unique and mechanically better then a super charger
:bowrofl: hahaha you are a funny guy

Unuiqe? lol wtf u smoking.

But mechanically better, well the fact that it doesn't draw power to create it is a better design imho :D

Unuiqe? lol wtf u smoking.

But mechanically better, well the fact that it doesn't draw power to create it is a better design imho :D


but they dont have lag

but they dont have lag

Lag is more fun :P, i prefere a Turbo but im not gonna argue which is beat becos i don't know!

Lag is more fun :P, i prefere a Turbo but im not gonna argue which is beat becos i don't know!

too right, i agree, if i had unlimited money i would turbo, but S?C seems better if you have a budget, only thing i could see would be lag in a FWD car might make it more scary/exciting

i didn't realise that statment would cause such a fuss:shock:

well its true for aviation purposes,

i don't know about the car industry, if a s/c is supposebly either just as good or better then a turbocharger, how come there are more turbos going around then s/c

this is really going off topic sorry

turbos has stuff all lag if right turbo and cooler for the application

turbos has stuff all lag if right turbo and cooler for the application

and a turbo with no lag then also doesn't take the small power to run. (according to top gear it take like 100+hp to turn the s/c on the SLR)

but to get big power up high you need a biger turbo and normly mean bad lag.

get a turbo charger, much more unique

how come there are more turbos going around then s/c
Uhhhhhh... :confused:

get a turbo charger, much more unique


how come there are more turbos going around then s/c


Uhhhhhh... :confused:

BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAH same here! Dude we're talking cars not planes.

And Tristan i want a ride in your car when its charged up!

I'm probably biased, but yeah - I'm going to say turbos (notice I didn't say "a turbo" :D ) are mechanically superior to a supercharger setup.

Next to no lag, and no power robbed from the engine to produce the horsepower. Not to mention I could easily produce 18-20psi of boost without the internal wastegates being a limitation (not saying the engine can handle it though), but from what I've been told - twin screw blowers are only good for producing about 10psi efficeintly. Even centrofugal blowers can't produce much boost without becomming inefficient.

And to whoever asked the question about a boost controller...... pretty sure it isn't possible, you would only be able to bleed out pressure to produce less boost, which would effectively cause the same problem as a venting to atmosphere BOV (metered air being vented). Only way to manipulate boost in a supercharged application is with different sized SC pulleys, and fitting a different pulley to a sprintex kit would almost certainly have the following implications:
* void warranty (duh)
* require a tuneable piggyback ECU to take more timing out of the tune
* render the fuel system inadequate
* make an intercooler highly desirable (which by the look of the sprintex kit - I don't know where you would put one)

But don't take my comments the wrong way....... I congratulate everyone who has purchased one of these kits, and still think it is one of the best value for money performance upgrades you can do to a Magna.

And to whoever asked the question about a boost controller...... pretty sure it isn't possible, you would only be able to bleed out pressure to produce less boost, which would effectively cause the same problem as a venting to atmosphere BOV (metered air being vented). Only way to manipulate boost in a supercharged application is with different sized SC pulleys, and fitting a different pulley to a sprintex kit would almost certainly have the following implications:
* void warranty (duh)
* require a tuneable piggyback ECU to take more timing out of the tune
* render the fuel system inadequate
* make an intercooler highly desirable (which by the look of the sprintex kit - I don't know where you would put one)

But don't take my comments the wrong way....... I congratulate everyone who has purchased one of these kits, and still think it is one of the best value for money performance upgrades you can do to a Magna.

That'd be me.

Thanks BB for the input.

I'm probably biased, but yeah - I'm going to say turbos (notice I didn't say "a turbo" :D ) are mechanically superior to a supercharger setup.




I put up only one argument to say superchargers are better!!

the world fastest most powerful cars are supercharged!!
top fuel drag cars etc...

no need to say anymore

That'd be me.

Thanks BB for the input.

No worries, when I was investigating the sprintex option, I made enquiries regarding fitment of an 8psi pulley to the kit. Bullet performance who are the authorised dealers for AAC here in Queensland were more than happy to intall the kit with an 8psi pulley, and leave the Sprintex piggyback out of the package. All I had to do then was get the car towed to my tuners workshop and get him to throw a tune into the car using the emanage I already had installed.

I put up only one argument to say superchargers are better!!

the world fastest most powerful cars are supercharged!!
top fuel drag cars etc...

no need to say anymore

If you're talking about Top fuel dragsters, well the regulations of the sport dictate that they have to use mechanical "roots" type superchargers. I'm sure if someone was to pour the same money into developing a turbo "top fueller" as has been spent on developing traditional top fuel engines over the years - they could produce a more powerful engine. There is no denying that mechanical superchargers are parasitic (ie: they rob power to produce power). Someone already mentioned the quote on Top Gear regarding the Merc Maclaren, whose supercharger draws over 100hp on its own...... in a top fueller, it's probably somewhere around 1000hp to drive the blower.

If you're talking about production cars which come with factory superchargers....... well I know of plenty of cases where owners of "supercars" have had them ripped down and rebuilt with twin turbos with outstanding results.

Anyway - thats all I'm saying on the topic......... this thread isnt the place to debate it.

And to whoever asked the question about a boost controller...... pretty sure it isn't possible, you would only be able to bleed out pressure to produce less boost, which would effectively cause the same problem as a venting to atmosphere BOV (metered air being vented).

You can fit a recirculating BOV to get around the un-metered air problem. I'm not sure if these chargers have or don't have an over boost bypass valve but if they did, I'm sure it would be possible to manipulate it and set it to activate at a desired level.

Like that you could run a smaller pulley to run higher boost and then use either the plum back BOV or by-pass valve to limit boost pressure at higher rpm.

No worries, when I was investigating the sprintex option, I made enquiries regarding fitment of an 8psi pulley to the kit. Bullet performance who are the authorised dealers for AAC here in Queensland were more than happy to intall the kit with an 8psi, and leave the Sprintex piggyback out of the package. All I had to do then was get the car towed to my tuners workshop and get him to throw a tune into the car using the emanage I already had installed.

BB who do i speak to about getting the SC to run more boost

BB who do i speak to about getting the SC to run more boost

I spoke to Bullet Performance about it (can't for the life of me remember who I spoke to though)........ don't bother talking to sprintex about it, in my experience they won't want to know you (you must understand that your warranty won't be worth **** if you go down this path).

You can make some enquiries with the workshop who is installing the kit but I can't guarantee they will be willing to do it. Bullet Performance are probably fairly unique in so far as they have been working with sprintex blowers probably for as long as AAC (and AEC before the name change) have been importing / developing them, and as such - they aren't afraid of doing customised installations.

Lysholm SC's can be configured to boost to 25-30psi. The sprintex will not do it and they have a much smaller eff'cy range at such boost pressures.
As everyone has noted the SC's consume power to make the boost, but turbo's do as well, it is just not as obvious, but there is plenty on the WWW about this very issue.
In back to back standing and rolling starts a SC has a substantial advantage in response. That is a SC's primary advantage.

Thats rather cheap for a Mitsubishi VRS - I was quoted $700... I take it that this is trade?

I can't wait for my SC to be fitted :) No date set as yet (I have that much work on THIS YEAR that it probably wont get fitted till february at this rate :cry: )

Going to have some fun coming up with some instrumentation beforehand... Digital boost gauge... Hmmm.... Mounted where the trip computer was (not fitted there on AWD's)

Cheers
Heath Young

No, not Trade price. Just walked in and spoke to the local rogues masquerading as Mitsu dealers :badgrin: , and that was the price. This was for the upper VRS kit. Pretty sure they quoted me $800ish for the complete kit.

Latest word today is that since I'm working on the heads, the car is no longer stock.

Therefore, Sprintex won't provide warranty for the engine, gearbox and drivetrain. Just for the kit itself.

Which is fair enough. These are the risks you take when modifying a family car. lol

No, not Trade price. Just walked in and spoke to the local rogues masquerading as Mitsu dealers :badgrin: , and that was the price. This was for the upper VRS kit. Pretty sure they quoted me $800ish for the complete kit.

Latest word today is that since I'm working on the heads, the car is no longer stock.

Therefore, Sprintex won't provide warranty for the engine, gearbox and drivetrain. Just for the kit itself.

Which is fair enough. These are the risks you take when modifying a family car. lol

Gee i didn't know they did that.... :redface:

hmm ill enquire about it today...

Yep - sprintex are a little toey about what sort of mods you can do and how it affects their warranty.

You could potentially get some more boost by reducing the size of the pulley - but ask a whole lot of superchargered Commodore owners - the heat produced by the extra boost just isn't worth it - you need to intercool (wich would require some hefty modification of the removable top plate of the sprintex manifold (or make your own out of 10mm aluminium plate) so that you could break the path between the SC and the intake runners - ie. run a pipe + flange to the SC outlet, and plumb it to an IC, then run the pipe back into the intake.

Personally, due to the extra injector, I would rather prefer for safety and simplicity, a water injection kit.

Cheers
Heath Young

when i speed turbocharge ism ore unique i meant that its more unique in a magna due to there are more people with s/c running around then turbos

when i speed turbocharge ism ore unique i meant that its more unique in a magna due to there are more people with s/c running around then turbos
How often and where do you "speed turbocharge ism"? Can I come watch some time?

How often and where do you "speed turbocharge ism"? Can I come watch some time?

why would you want to watch someone speed turbochange ismlol

why would you want to watch someone speed turbochange ismlol
Because it sounds interesting. It might be some new activity I'm unaware of and I'm inquisitive by nature. :badgrin:

Because it sounds interesting. It might be some new activity I'm unaware of and I'm inquisitive by nature. :badgrin:
im only worried for you as ism sounds like jism and you dont want to see some tuborchanged jism making


but as for the S/C anyone one know sort of bang for buck you get.

and can you tubo your car for 8000, and have new parts. as it seems turbo will allow you to mkae more power but cost more in the start.


would be a hard choise, i was thinking about a S/C for my car but then thinking about more uni next year so saved money.

it was meant to say, when i said turbo charging is more unique, i meant as in there are more s/c magnas going around the turbo'd ones'


**** this i'm going to typing school

and can you tubo your car for 8000, and have new parts. as it seems turbo will allow you to mkae more power but cost more in the start.


I'm not going to say you can't turbo a magna for $8000 with all new parts...... but I tried, and failed to keep the cost of my install below $10,000.

You can fit a recirculating BOV to get around the un-metered air problem. I'm not sure if these chargers have or don't have an over boost bypass valve but if they did, I'm sure it would be possible to manipulate it and set it to activate at a desired level.

Like that you could run a smaller pulley to run higher boost and then use either the plum back BOV or by-pass valve to limit boost pressure at higher rpm.
i'm not sure why we are talking about installing a BOV onto a S/C car? As far as i am aware you do not need one at all.
The idea of a BOV in a turbo is to reduce turbo lag, keep the turbo spinning when the butterfly closes. With a S/C it is always turning at the same speed (eg. 5000RPM) wether you're on the throttle or not. S/C's dont have lag, hence no BOV

I thought it was to get rid of compressor surge which would eventually damage the turbo.

I thought it was to get rid of compressor surge which would eventually damage the turbo.
yeah that too, and to sound cool

i'm not sure why we are talking about installing a BOV onto a S/C car?

We where talking about them as a means of boost control (or rather limit of it) on a S/C setup. But most have by-pass valves that can somtimes be modified.

i have seen a S/C car with a BOV

What sort of gains are we talking about?

I think on the Ralliart they had about 200fwkw or something... but that start stock at 180kw at the flywheel.

If I were to SC my TH with 147kw at the flywheel, would I see anywhere near 200fwkw?

Cheers
Pete

What sort of gains are we talking about?

I think on the Ralliart they had about 200fwkw or something... but that start stock at 180kw at the flywheel.

If I were to SC my TH with 147kw at the flywheel, would I see anywhere near 200fwkw?

Cheers
Pete
Depends, what was different on the ralliart compared to stock? If it was all stock exhaust etc. you might see some gains with a bigger exhaust.

What sort of gains are we talking about?

I think on the Ralliart they had about 200fwkw or something... but that start stock at 180kw at the flywheel.

If I were to SC my TH with 147kw at the flywheel, would I see anywhere near 200fwkw?

Cheers
Pete

They did a TL AWD that went from 159kw at the fly to 225kw.

Someone correct me if i am wrong but that off the sprintex website.

I am exspectin 170-180 FWKW in my Auto TJ VRX

i have seen a S/C car with a BOV

You can, but no point.

Power gain for an AWD is from 159 at the fly to 180Kw at all 4 wheels. Yikes :)

Cheers
Heath Young

You can, but no point.

Power gain for an AWD is from 159 at the fly to 180Kw at all 4 wheels. Yikes :)

Cheers
Heath Young
well woulding it work the same as for compressor surge. TB shots its still mkaing boost. boost has no where to go, to PSI between S/C and TB must go up a lot.


google 240Z V8 S/C its a cool car maybe one of the coolest i have seen

*EDIT* found it for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSJVi1mPjZQ

I meant why bother on the sprintex one - it already has a recirculating BOV - superchargers don't have compressor surge, but they do blow pipes off, and try and stall (and shred belts / couplings).

BTW that supercharger on the 240 sounded like half a dozen budgies at idle.:nuts:

I meant why bother on the sprintex one - it already has a recirculating BOV - superchargers don't have compressor surge, but they do blow pipes off, and try and stall (and shred belts / couplings).

BTW that supercharger on the 240 sounded like half a dozen budgies at idle.:nuts:

ah ok yeah on the sprintex on, got you.

as for the 240Z i think it might be running a bit of boost and some no standard cams, it also has NOS.lol

the guy is a bit crazy has an R1 motorbike and stans on the seat driving down the road and stuff. but also the 240z races the R1 and beats it.

Superchargers have bypass valves. They work by opening and bleeding boost to atmosphere/pre-supercharger when the motor is working under 80kpa absolute.

Bullet performance who are the authorised dealers for AAC here in Queensland were more than happy to intall the kit with an 8psi pulley, and leave the Sprintex piggyback out of the package....

I'm very interested in what BB said here.
I would think the best S/C option would be to buy the minimum required from Sprintex, then essentially install / tune it all yourself. Run 8psi - or do some internal work to run 10-12 - also plumb in an I/C - run own full replacement ECU... could be talking some serious S/C power for sub $10k (More like $8K)

-Dan

I'm very interested in what BB said here.
I would think the best S/C option would be to buy the minimum required from Sprintex, then essentially install / tune it all yourself. Run 8psi - or do some internal work to run 10-12 - also plumb in an I/C - run own full replacement ECU... could be talking some serious S/C power for sub $10k (More like $8K)

-Dan
It's not as easy as just "plumbing in an I/C" Any mechanic will tell you it's near impossible to fit an intercooler in the Magna engine bay, unless it's a front mount. But then you need all custom piping done, and that's where all your expense comes in.

have you seen the laminova units that are fitted to AMG's?

have you seen the laminova units that are fitted to AMG's?

As long as you have absolutely no follow up questions, yes, I have seen them.











lol

As long as you have absolutely no follow up questions, yes, I have seen them.











lol

You can order them to specs from Hans Pedersen at high performance products in melbourne. The design information is on the WWW. They are usually placed in the manifold itself and thus take little space.
See here.
http://www.opcon.se/index.asp?sPage=1&langID=2&cID=15

You can order them to specs from Hans Pedersen at high performance products in melbourne. The design information is on the WWW. They are usually placed in the manifold itself and thus take little space.
See here.
http://www.opcon.se/index.asp?sPage=1&langID=2&cID=15

:bowrofl: :bowrofl:

I'm an idiot sometimes..... I just spent 10 minutes looking thru that site thinking "there's no superchargers here, just funny looking intercoolers. What's that bloke on about.... :nuts: "

Then it clicked :redface:

yep, the laminova's sit uner the lysholm supercharger in the intake manifold.