hey

this is my first thread so bare with me lol,

i dont have enough money to fit a turbo onto my 1999 magna and am wanting a bit more power to my engine without resorting to a turbo

does anyone have some ideas that would help me such as cams,exhausts,pod filters, and as i am new to the whole upgrading car scene.

thanks heaps

Andy

How about a supercharger then? :P

Plenty of other things you can do ... try this site: http://www.rpw.com.au/Performance%20Upgrades/Mitsubishi/Magna/Magna%20TE%20-%20TJ/Magna101.htm

how much would i be looking at for a supercharger?

How much more powerful?
You can do your usual:
- pacemakers
- 2.5" exhaust cat back
- high flow cat
- straight through muffler for the 2.5" system
They're your cheap options, don't bother going further unless youplan on spending some dosh on cams/heads or got he turbo route, but don't expect a rocket from the above mods.

Welcome!

Yeah there is heaps you can do, including the things you listed!

Use the seach button at the top and you will find LOADS of information to help you!

Enjoy
Pete!

how much would i be looking at for a supercharger?
Sprintex are currently discounting their superchargers, can pick one up for probalby $8k installed and complied with warranty.

sick thanks heaps guys,been a big help.i bought my magna about 3 weeks ago,and am lookign at upgrades and any help u got is much appreciated.just as an idea,how much are cams,how easy are they to fit ect.

Cheers

Andy

Sprintex are currently discounting their superchargers, can pick one up for probalby $8k installed and complied with warranty.

i paid 7'300 i believe

p.s. I'LL BE BLOWN THIS TIME NEXT WEEK :dancin: :cool:

Yep - $7000 installed (for a manual) and $7300 for an Auto - also $75 for an oil change + filter...

Cheers
Heath Young

Or just trying running it on uber-premium. Can't hurt trying, and you'd have to fill up a hell of a lot of times for the extra cost to come anywhere near a turbo or supercharger...

ok...what about superchargers against turbo,which is more fuel efficient,more power output,easier to maintain all that,why is everyoen pickign turbo not super charger.i thought super charger was for more older enguines,rather than modern.

How are you buddy i was speaking to Dave from RPW about this a couple of months ago im currently getting a twin turbo conversion to my te magna in a couple of months time, i looked down the avenue your travelling and came to this conclusion.

Apparently in the long run the twin turbo system will me more fuel efficient and save you money start aty a low 7psi and work upwards from there!:)

ok...what about superchargers against turbo,which is more fuel efficient,more power output,easier to maintain all that,why is everyoen pickign turbo not super charger.i thought super charger was for more older enguines,rather than modern.

Turbos are theoretically more fuel efficient because they don't require power from the engine to produce boost, whereas a supercharger is a compressor powered by a belt run from the engine.

I say theoretically because it all comes down to how you drive. If I drive around at 50%+ throttle for long periods of time, my fuel efficiency is pretty shocking (but I get where I'm going alot faster).

A small, efficient s/c which is properly matched to the engine should be pretty fuel efficient, but slightly less so than a NA or turbo motor making the same power. Sprintex have put considerable R&D into their setup and for the price they are at the moment I would highly recommend you give them a call.

thanks heaps for the info mate, apperciate it

Cheers

Andy

p.s. I'LL BE BLOWN THIS TIME NEXT WEEK :dancin: :cool:

I can't believe no one's making fun of this quote..

I can't believe no one's making fun of this quote..
I restrained myself... It was too easy. So easy infact I think whoever had a go would of been payed out themselves for lameness. :bowrofl:

I think there needs to be more research into the obtainable power of the Sprintex kits, with/with-out support mods, also more 1/4mile times. Other then that depends if you want a more linear or headsnappage powerband. Liking the reduction in price too Sprintex!

I restrained myself... It was too easy. So easy infact I think whoever had a go would of been payed out themselves for lameness. :bowrofl:
:bowrofl: :badgrin:

hands down - it depends what kind of power you want

SUPERCHARGER = constant, bad *** mother*beep*in power, also sounds tuff as!
TURBO = needs to spool up with your revs, then you get the BWAAAAAPPPTTTT PPPPSSSSSTTTCHHHHHH

or you could a hydrolic device in the back seat that opens and closes your back doors like wings.

all the best with it :)

I can't believe no one's making fun of this quote..

hehehe :bowrofl: i love it...

lol

I think there needs to be more research into the obtainable power of the Sprintex kits, with/with-out support mods, also more 1/4mile times. Other then that depends if you want a more linear or headsnappage powerband. Liking the reduction in price too Sprintex!

Well i get mine next week thurs.

i will doing 1/4 run this sunday to see stock time again(last time i got 15.7). Then in a few more weeks time i will do another one. Also i will be dyno'ing it in october sometime when beastclub goes. I will also ask G&D if they will/can dyno it. And ill post up all my results.

My predictions are 175 FWKW and 14.3 1/4 mile run. (provided i work out how to get traction lol)

Well i get mine next week thurs.

i will doing 1/4 run this sunday to see stock time again(last time i got 15.7). Then in a few more weeks time i will do another one. Also i will be dyno'ing it in october sometime when beastclub goes. I will also ask G&D if they will/can dyno it. And ill post up all my results.

My predictions are 175 FWKW and 14.3 1/4 mile run. (provided i work out how to get traction lol)
Can you still use traction control with the supercharger fitted?

Can you still use traction control with the supercharger fitted?

yer but it'll prolly blow up like the rest of my car LOL

bring on manual conversion when gearbox goes bang

Sprintex is a good properly designed kit that will bolt right upto the magna engine and cost 1/3rd what a TT setup does..
At the moment i'm looking at something cheaper, around the $5k mark for a fully installed SC setup with FMIC and running around 5-7psi. Using a 2nd hand Toyota SC, not sure the model number but i been qouted under $5k all parts and installed.

here is a few things u can consider.

1. a full 2 and half inch exhaust with a high flow cat
2. CAI
3. throttle body
4. cams
5. Greedy piggy comp

that should get u some good speed... it should bring u 2 mid to low 14s....

by doing this its still NA lol

Try this link they supply mods for Magnas, never a lot but better than none
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php

Anyone here have a Turbo TJ?

5. Greedy piggy comp

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: oink oink

Anyone here have a Turbo TJ?
Yeh talk to black beard, i'm sure he'd have quite abit of knowledge on the subject (if not i'm sure he could BS his way through lol).

Sprintex is a good properly designed kit that will bolt right upto the magna engine and cost 1/3rd what a TT setup does..
At the moment i'm looking at something cheaper, around the $5k mark for a fully installed SC setup with FMIC and running around 5-7psi. Using a 2nd hand Toyota SC, not sure the model number but i been qouted under $5k all parts and installed.

Interesting - would be an SC14 I assume... Would love to see photos when done, but the problem will be it still needs to be engineered to achieve ADR compliance (wheras the sprintex kit is ADR compliant).

Cheers
Heath Young

Anyone here have a Turbo TJ?

you must have been asleep the past few months:bowrofl: BB twin turbo TJII


here is a few things u can consider.

1. a full 2 and half inch exhaust with a high flow cat
2. CAI
3. throttle body
4. cams
5. Greedy piggy comp

that should get u some good speed... it should bring u 2 mid to low 14s....

by doing this its still NA lol

i'll have 1,2,4,5 next friday!

i paid 7'300 i believe

p.s. I'LL BE BLOWN THIS TIME NEXT WEEK :dancin: :cool:

I get blown every week.............................

Sprintex is a good properly designed kit that will bolt right upto the magna engine and cost 1/3rd what a TT setup does..

Spintex kit is definetly going to work out cheaper than a Twin (or single for that matter) turbo install (assuming brand new turbos are used, and fitting is done professionally), but a twin turbo setup certainly shouldn't cost anywhere near $20,000.

i really wouldn't mind a twin turbo magna, so unique

i really wouldn't mind a twin turbo magna, so unique

There's probably what - 15, 20 at them most supercharged magnas getting around......... hardly as common as WRX's.

Single turbo V6 magna's are rarer than TT's.

superchargers don't interest me as much as turbos do

would it be possible to get the same acceleration as twin turbo magna with a single turbo application?

superchargers don't interest me as much as turbos do

would it be possible to get the same acceleration as twin turbo magna with a single turbo application?

I'm pretty sure I remember Booya saying that his car was making boost at about 3,200rpm and max boost at 3,600rpm (or somewhere around those numbers). He was running a GT40 on a 3.0L engine. Which leads me to believe that a slightly smaller, more responsive turbo (say a GT3037 or a GT35/40) mated to a 3.5L engine you should theoretically be possible of making peak boost closer to 3000rpm.

Although in my experience, with twin GT28R's - my car does it's best work above 3000rpm. I suspect Booya's turbo response was helped alot by the extensive head and cylinder work that was done to the engine by Dallas at Street Torque, whereas my engine is internally stock. My boost also spikes to 9psi between 3000 - 3500 rpm (symptom of using a bleeder valve as "boost control") which is probably making it feel abit "laggy" even though in reality is starts making boost below 2000rpm.

** me thinks this thread about "ways of power, other than turbo" is getting abit off topic lol **

the reason i ask it would decide on my next car

i'm looking for 12 - 13 second car

with a 0 -100 bettwen 4 -5 seconds

if a single can do that no sweat and still be drivable then r34 gt-t
if a twin can only do that then i will be highly considering r34 gt and later on dumper gtr engine in it or well believe it or not, grab tj2 awd and tt it

I've always preferred supercharging to turbocharging mostly because superchargers give you power throughout the whole rev range and don't need time to spool up. That said I think turbocharging is better suited to 4 cylinders, supercharging is better suited to V8s and V6s are somewhere in between (although I'd lean towards a supercharged 6). In my experience superchargers are easier to maintain once installed and you will more than likely have less problems with a supercharger although some people may not agree with me here.

If you can get a supercharger installed for only $7,000 by Sprintex that's a bargain in my opinion, and would almost definitely outperform or at least match a N/A Magna with $7,000 worth of mods.

What i think is very funny though is that you are only 16!! You won't be able to get your car insured mate. The insurance company will probably wack on an extra $4,000 a year to your annual insurance just for having a supercharger. I'd strongly suggest you reconsider if you were ever considering a supercharger that is.

I'd recommend you keep it simple. Exhaust, K+N air filter, extractors and cold air intake. That's all you need.

the reason i ask it would decide on my next car

i'm looking for 12 - 13 second car

with a 0 -100 bettwen 4 -5 seconds

if a single can do that no sweat and still be drivable then r34 gt-t
if a twin can only do that then i will be highly considering r34 gt and later on dumper gtr engine in it or well believe it or not, grab tj2 awd and tt it

Even a twin turbo awd wont get anywhere near the 13 second mark, I'm pretty sure the Sprintex awd can't crack 14s. A manual TJ exec will be quicker.

Even a twin turbo awd wont get anywhere near the 13 second mark, I'm pretty sure the Sprintex awd can't crack 14s. A manual TJ exec will be quicker.
No way. Not if the tt convertion is done properly. Keep the auto box in the AWD, with a new torque converter to raise the stall point. Over the quarter the AWD Auto would be much faster, as 1st gear would have traction and the engine could be spooled up to a point where the turbos are on boost from the word go. Also in an auto there is no loss of boost between gear changes.

On the twin vs single, my preference would be on a twin for a V6. Mainly because they spool sooner so the torque curve will be far, far, better and torque is what makes the car go. In my opinion max power is a pretty useless figure as you hardly ever use it. I'd much prefer to lose 10% max power and gain 10% torque at 2000-3500rpm as this would make a faster car.

the awd's have a really loose convertor mine revs up to 2300rpm in comparison a new falcon is 1600rpm... and with a couple of turbos it would be much higher if they came on boost early...

The insurance company will probably wack on an extra $4,000 a year to your annual insurance just for having a supercharger.


Ummmmmm try $60 extra with no excess increase for a turbo set up with Brembos for a 19 year old who's had an accident.

:stoopid:

Or try no increase in premium or excess for a twin turbo setup, no brake upgrade (yet) for a 26 year old who's had an at fault accident.

Even a twin turbo awd wont get anywhere near the 13 second mark, I'm pretty sure the Sprintex awd can't crack 14s. A manual TJ exec will be quicker.


well if i was to go te tj2 i plan on getting a 6 speed manual conversion done to it

my next car is my project car hence why i've been asking all the questions and i'm trying to find a suitible car i've got all the look colour scheme and that, i just need to work out some good engine hardware

Interesting - would be an SC14 I assume... Would love to see photos when done, but the problem will be it still needs to be engineered to achieve ADR compliance (wheras the sprintex kit is ADR compliant).

Cheers
Heath Young



Yea it's a SC14 from a 2.0L 6 Cyl, not sure what damn car it comes off, some toyota.
I was going to get a SC12 from a 4agze but found out my cousin had the 14 lying around he sold to me for $100 :), happy as pie about that.
I got a 600x300 FMIC off ebay for $350, now i just gotta worry about the installation and toher little bits :( hopeing it won't pass $5k fully installed and engineered....