I am this close to buying these:

http://www.alpine.com.au/products/product4.asp?id=214&pagetype=info

Anybody own these, or anybody in a position to give me any feedback on them. They are 350W max each speaker, basically making 700W all up, and look very nice.

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350w max? that not very much, save your money and get somethin better

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if you want quality speakers go and buy yourself a nice set of mb quarts :D. but yeah theres nothing wrong with those type r's i was planning on getting a set for my car.

i say go with them. but thats just me, i got the older DDDrive series splits. still not in yet. cbf but yeah, i'd say go for gold son.

ah my bad, thought we were talkin subs here... and disregard the max, 700w max means nothing dude, rms is what you wanna look at

RMS means nothing either. Root Mean Square, is just a selling point for manufacturers. The actually wattage doesn't mean much, as I found out from some reading. Doesn't matter, won't be buying these anyway, getting some 120W Focal Access 165A speakers. Apporximately US$400, I'm getting a good deal on them though :D

I have these in my car absolutely fantastic mate go for em :)

Cheers

Heath

RMS doesnt mean much? RMS means a lot. in regards to amps, it IS the power output of the amp, true and pure. in regards to speakers, it is the recommended power rating to feed to speakers without hurting them.

of course there are a lot of other factors affecting this. if you put a 1000W RMS sub in a 45hz tuned box, and ran 1000W RMS, 20hz tones through it, it would pop.. the RMS figures are also 'usually' underrated, and varies vastly given different enviromental conditions as stated above.

all in all, RMS is true power, MAX and PMPO figures are 'usually' irrelevent, where with things like subs, the MAX figure can be taken as the power the woofer can take for a 3 second tone or whatnot, but also varies greatly.

Yes RMS does not mean much, do a search on the article of the myth of RMS I believe s_tim_ulate posted a while back.

Besides these Focals are that much better anyway :D

For that sort of money (their RRP), If you like things very loud, go for the Hertz HSK165's. If you prefer things a bit more refined, go for the Focals. MB Quarts are good too, you should also be looking at the Oz Audio Vector 650S3 too.

FHRX current has this on special which would be as good or better in my opinion:

Phoenix Gold R6.5 Comp (6.5" & 1" component set) $195 (RRP$299) - these are bloody cheap and equal the Type Rs

Crossfire X6 (6.5" & 1" component set) $350 (RRP$469) - Ex-demo (if you don't mind it being used for a short time - it's good value!)

He also has Polk Audio MMC6500's at $400, usually $500. While I have consistently said that the Polk gear is overpriced, this price is actually decent value.

While I like Alpine gear, the speakers have never been worth the money you pay for them. There's less-known brands producing better for less moolah.

Heh yeah I got a tip off from my mate at Autobarn in Maitland to have a look at the Focals, Dynaudios, MB Quarts of the world. I purchased these focals, so hopefully they are all they're cracked up to be, because I've read raving reviews in the UK and Europe, and people going **** over head to get a decent price on them lol

You won't be upset with the Focals at all. They are a great speaker, an excellent for rock/pop - if that was the majority of my musical taste, then I wouldn't think twice about them.

I prefer alot of 'bash me in the head' doof - mainly Hard Trance/House, and a little bit or urban and rock. For this the Hertz's excel, trading some SQ and control and instead are just bloody loud.

Either brand will do it at the same price or cheaper than the 'normal' brands for more SPL and SQ - think Pioneer, Sony, Alpine, Kenwood etc.....


ps: Dynaudios are teh sex. Would love a 3-way set for the front but well beyond my budget with 3 kids under the roof!

Oh yeah, make sure you prep the doors properly, plenty of deadening etc etc. Get the most from your new speakers eh?

Haha yeah I looked at the Dynaudios but I'm only 17 so they were a bit out of range. Lol and I listen to almost every kind of music, depending on my tastes at the time. This week it is Velvet Revolver, last week, disturbed, week before that, house/trance.

I figure with the good SQ and my decent Kicker amp, I should be able to go fairly loud, without distorting it :D I like loud as well! But hate the distortion of my crappy Sony 2 ways. :cry:

Yes RMS does not mean much, do a search on the article of the myth of RMS I believe s_tim_ulate posted a while back.

Besides these Focals are that much better anyway :D

1 article.. sounds very beleviable. :S i wasnt 'thinking' what i said.. i was TELLING you. RMS is a real, measured figure. it isnt something thats just made up on the spot. look at any decent amp and it will come with its own birth sheet to show its exact RMS output. that is not fake, and yes it does mean a lot.

RMS is much more important than any peak power/pmpo, max power garbage as Woob pointed out... Which article are you talking about? I don't think I would have ever said that RMS doesnt mean anything.

But there are other factors as well that should be the decider and not how much power they can or can't handle.

Power ratings don't determine how good a speaker sounds...

RMS is much more important than any peak power/pmpo, max power garbage as Woob pointed out... Which article are you talking about? I don't think I would have ever said that RMS doesnt mean anything.

But there are other factors as well that should be the decider and not how much power they can or can't handle.

Power ratings don't determine how good a speaker sounds...

Exactly...go my 45WRMS Clarions!!!

But there are other factors as well that should be the decider and not how much power they can or can't handle.

Power ratings don't determine how good a speaker sounds...

My point exactly. I wasn't talking about amps, I was talking about speakers dude. So cool it. I know plenty about the car audio world, I have mate who has worked in the area since the late 80's.

RMS as far as speakers go isn't as important as construction, materials used etc.

My point exactly. I wasn't talking about amps, I was talking about speakers dude. So cool it. I know plenty about the car audio world, I have mate who has worked in the area since the late 80's.

RMS as far as speakers go isn't as important as construction, materials used etc.

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errrrr why does he have to cool it? He wasnt being rude or heated...

Tim is one of the best guys here with car audio, so it would pay to think twice about saying things like that. You might have a mate in audio, but Tim is in it himself...

What he said is correct, and yes construction, materials etc are important, but so is the power rating of the speaker you intend using with all that. No point having the best materials etc and filling it with 25Wrms speakers. They will still sound crap.

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errrrr why does he have to cool it? He wasnt being rude or heated...

Tim is one of the best guys here with car audio, so it would pay to think twice about saying things like that. You might have a mate in audio, but Tim is in it himself...

What he said is correct, and yes construction, materials etc are important, but so is the power rating of the speaker you intend using with all that. No point having the best materials etc and filling it with 25Wrms speakers. They will still sound crap.


1 article.. sounds very beleviable. :S i wasnt 'thinking' what i said.. i was TELLING you. RMS is a real, measured figure. it isnt something thats just made up on the spot. look at any decent amp and it will come with its own birth sheet to show its exact RMS output. that is not fake, and yes it does mean a lot.

You don't find this a little aggravated in the slightest?

And I wasn't disagreeing with Tim, in fact he proved my point, jesus why does everryone have to misinterpret.

And misinterpretation again, I wasn't saying RMS or power ratings hold NO importance, because on the same notion I could say to you, no use making a 2000WRMS speaker if its made out of plastic and paper. I was simply saying as far as speakers go, their construction and materials are important, like Tim said, power rating doesn't make a speaker good or not.

Someone close this thread, I can feel my eye twitching, not only that, I've purchased speakers, so this thread means nothing.

/thread.

Yes RMS does not mean much, do a search on the article of the myth of RMS I believe s_tim_ulate posted a while back.

Besides these Focals are that much better anyway :D

im not trying to arrgevate sorry. im herely trying to educate.. what you said implied that it was a mythical figure, much like the MAX figures of a lot of gear. sorry if it was taken the wrong way.

I have the Focal 165A's in my car, properly sound deadened on a MDF baffle, and they sound great. In hindsight knowing that i listen mostly to dance/electronic music I probably should of gone with the Hertz splits to go that little bit harder, but I cant fault the SQ of the Focals. And keeps up with my 2 Alpine Type S subs (disconnected the 6x9s)

Thats fine mate. I've always had a short temper anyway, and when I think people can't see what I'm trying to say, I get pissed off, because it seems so obvious to me.

I never said they were mythical figures, the title of the article is a bit misleading. However it does say people rely FAR to much on RMS figures, and although I could get 350W max alpines, at 75W RMS, I have chosen the FOCAL Accesss 165A's, with 120W max / 60 RMS, that will sound far superior, as attributed to expertise, design, construction, materials etc.

Basically RMS is not the be all and end all.

Moral of this story is, never draw out implications! :D

I have the Focal 165A's in my car, properly sound deadened on a MDF baffle, and they sound great. In hindsight knowing that i listen mostly to dance/electronic music I probably should of gone with the Hertz splits to go that little bit harder, but I cant fault the SQ of the Focals. And keeps up with my 2 Alpine Type S subs (disconnected the 6x9s)

Yeah, I mean the difference in volume shouldn't be too much when connected to a decent amp, looking Crossfire in the next couple of months, and the SQ is better too!

I'm just happy I got them so cheap! :D

Yeah, I mean the difference in volume shouldn't be too much when connected to a decent amp, looking Crossfire in the next couple of months, and the SQ is better too!

yeh, im giving them about 80wRMS, but to be honest they didnt sound all that much softer when i was giving them only 50wRMS. Dont worry, they will go loud, just have to get the crossovers set right, and sound deaden and secure the woofer well :)

yeh, im giving them about 80wRMS, but to be honest they didnt sound all that much softer when i was giving them only 50wRMS. Dont worry, they will go loud, just have to get the crossovers set right, and sound deaden and secure the woofer well :)

Haha yeah I'm gonna leave my mate to do the crossover stuff, he's the expert afterall :bowrofl:

But there are other factors as well that should be the decider and not how much power they can or can't handle.

Power ratings don't determine how good a speaker sounds...
My point exactly. I wasn't talking about amps, I was talking about speakers dude. So cool it. I know plenty about the car audio world, I have mate who has worked in the area since the late 80's.
RMS as far as speakers go isn't as important as construction, materials used etc.
I find it funny that it's the first time in a while where I have bitten my tongue and given a nice politically correct reply where I point out the pros and cons in both arguments, and now I get asked to Cool it from a 17 y/o who's been on the forums for a couple of months. Doesn't that also mean your mate has been working in the industry since before you were born?

If you plan on staying here relax a bit and think before you post, not everyone here is out to start an e-war, you'll find that if you give people a little bit of respect it will go a long way.

Good to see you got your speakers sorted

Peace

Tim

I find it funny that it's the first time in a while where I have bitten my tongue and given a nice politically correct reply where I point out the pros and cons in both arguments, and now I get asked to Cool it from a 17 y/o who's been on the forums for a couple of months. Doesn't that also mean your mate has been working in the industry since before you were born?

If you plan on staying here relax a bit and think before you post, not everyone here is out to start an e-war, you'll find that if you give people a little bit of respect it will go a long way.

Good to see you got your speakers sorted

Peace

Tim

Oh that one would be my bad. I was refferring to Woob. I took your points on board, as reflected later on, but I though Woob was amping (excuse the pun) at me, should've have made better reference. Sorry. :cry:

P.S He is far older than me. Am I not allowed to have mates older than I am? :P

P.S He is far older than me. Am I not allowed to see men older than I am? :P

ohh dude thats sick lol

ok i wont :spam: sorry

Hey don't change my quotes!! :rant:

What are you doing tomorrow night? :P