hey all,

I've had a search in the forums and can't find any definate list on what myself (as a P plater with restrictions :doubt: ) can do. So heres some of the mods I want to do, if someone could advise me either to where I can find out the info I need or just tell me that'd be great :D

Mods:
Panel filter
2.5 cat back with straight through (if I can't, just a muffler)
front and rear swaybars
flowed TB
Strut Brace

Also does anyone know if the restrictions carry over to green P's if you have them on your reds?

Thanks in advance

They all look fine to me.

Only problems if it's to loud or it has forced induction.

None of those are illegal mods mate you'll be right (as long as the exhaust isn't too loud :roll:, but that's a car restriction not a P plater restriction).

I'd say all of them. However on your Red P's, it would pay to get all performance mods to be inspected by a special person, I'm not sure what they're called, ask whoever does your mods (exhaust shop maybe?). Basically they will give you a engineer's report saying this this and this, about your separate mods. If a copper tries to defect you, you can pull out this report, which by the laws laid down by the RTA, will let you get away with it.

HOWEVER, you must ALWAYS carry the reports in your glove box. Otherwise, if you don't have it with you, its defect city, if the cop is a real bastard.

All these mods should fall under the RTA category of minor modification, which means following the steps above should keep you safe. Getting a Turbo Charger, or swapping your Magna engine for a R32 skyline engine or something would be a different story.

Someone might be able to better fill you in, just giving you a basic overview.

Can't help yah but Red P's suck balls...
I'm pretty sure they should all be fine except as said above, not if violating sound pollution laws.
Stuff the throttle body. The panel filter you have, you wanna get a K&N panel?

Getting an engineers cert on this stuff would be a huge waste of money.

They are all legal for you to have.

Heh its really no problem for me, I have a mate who can do it for me dirt cheap. It just seems cops are getting pickier these days, and with new laws perhaps on the horizon, I wouldn't take any chances. Though I have the head of the RTA in NSW mobile number in phone book, which is always nice :)

P.S True story, I really do have his number. :D

...The panel filter you have, you wanna get a K&N panel?

yea the panel filter is the K&N one.

Another mod I forgot to say before is some pacemaker extractors, though thats only later so I might be able to wait for those if they're not cool with the cops

mate none of these mods will get the cops attention which is what you want :D, unless you act like a ****head around them. its not like your putting big rims on it and then lowering it so that the rim is inside the back guard and you have limo tint on your car. if you get these mods you should have no problems with the cops.

you would have more problems with mods through your insurer, who usually only allow one or 2 mods for ppl under 25 and if you add other mods and dont tell them, then they most likely not cover you if you have an accident.

hey all,

I've had a search in the forums and can't find any definate list on what myself (as a P plater with restrictions :doubt: ) can do. So heres some of the mods I want to do, if someone could advise me either to where I can find out the info I need or just tell me that'd be great :D

Mods:
Panel filter
2.5 cat back with straight through (if I can't, just a muffler)
front and rear swaybars
flowed TB
Strut Brace

Also does anyone know if the restrictions carry over to green P's if you have them on your reds?

Thanks in advance

Your first problem is probably that you have searched the Australian Magna Club website for an answer which lies with the New South Wales RTA.

The P1 and P2 Licence Conditions state in a very broad term "Engine Performance Modifications" as making a vehicle Prohibited.

P1 & P2 Licence Cond - Clicky Click (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicence/car/p1p2_conditions.html?llid=4)

It is a very broad term and one which you probably should investigate somewhat further. I am unwilling to comment right now on any of the above listed modifications but I would hold off if I were you until you have a difinative answer. I will also be doing so in the next week and hopefully should be able to shed further light for you in the future.

The restrictions carry on from your P1 (Red) to Your P2 (Green), also remember that if you lose your licence whilst on your Provisional Licence then there are further restrictions, limitations and conditions placed on your licence.

If you or anyone wishes for further info, feel free to PM me.

An engineers Certificate may make a Car legally registered and certify a modification, this will not stop the vehicle from being a "Prohibited Vehicle."

Driving a Prohibited Vehicle in New South Wales (without a notice of exemption) Carries a fine in the area of $400. It also has 7 Demerit Points, resulting in an automatic Suspension of at least 3 Months.

Steve

you would have more problems with mods through your insurer, who usually only allow one or 2 mods for ppl under 25 and if you add other mods and dont tell them, then they most likely not cover you if you have an accident.

Depends on the insurer. Ive got a fare few mods and my insurer doesn't have a problem. The only catch is that some wont cover the cost of mods over a certain value. This happeded with mine (my mods list is starting to get fairly extensive). The car is covered but not all the mods are. I elected which to cover.

As far as the engineers certificate it is worth it. Im pretty sure that a cop can still defect you (legal or not) if he thinks its not. Then you have to jump through hoops to prove they are legal. It's just not worth the hastle if the cops in your area are *********. Most who are are worse to P Platers as well.

As far as P Plate restrictions they are mainly targetting V8's, turbos & superchargers.

Also was your licence issued after or before 11 July 2005. If before then it doen't apply anyway.

lol @ k&n panel filter being a prohibited modification?!!??!!! bwahahahaha:bowrofl:

I made a boo boo once upon a time.
Cop was checking over my old merc (i was red P's).I knew he was going to defect me (not that there was ANYTHING wrong with it). I asked to see his mechanics trade certificate :bowrofl:.

Got my car out of the impound the next day. Go figure... :doubt:.

Sucks to live in NSW :P.

lol @ k&n panel filter being a prohibited modification?!!??!!! bwahahahaha:bowrofl:

Maybe with that exception although i doubt they would bother checking that.


I made a boo boo once upon a time.
Cop was checking over my old merc (i was red P's).I knew he was going to defect me (not that there was ANYTHING wrong with it). I asked to see his mechanics trade certificate :bowrofl:.

Got my car out of the impound the next day. Go figure... :doubt:.

LOL Nice one. Did the cop blow a gasket. Still you do have every right to ask and its a legitimate question.

I may be wrong but i think they are only meant to be allowed to defect certain things if they dont have one. Doesn't mean they dont anyway though. I particularly can't stand the ones who abuse their authority. And a lot do. Just have a look how many people have responded to the recruitment drive by NSW Police. Just shows you how popular they are.

Still for there credit there are alot who are very good guys and do there job properly and well without being f******s. Its a pity the bad apples give the whole force a bad name.

You can do this mod:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~monstr/dcp20601uk.jpg

hey,

I thought I'd just let you know some more info that I've got from trawling through the RTA site in regards to mods for P platers in NSW.

From the FAQ's

What is a modified vehicle (engine performance modification)?
Rules for the modification of engines are available in the Vehicle standards information sheet VSI 06. Any vehicle with engine performance modifications requiring an engineer’s certification for registration purposes is banned under the prohibited vehicle scheme.

From VSI 06

Owner certified minor modifications are generally those modifications which were optional equipment for the vehicle concerned. Owner certified modifications also include some non-standard modifications of a minor nature which do not affect the level of safety, strength or reliability of vital systems such as brakes and steering. These modifications have little or no impact upon the vehicle’s level of compliance with the Australian Design Rules. Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications are:
• engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the vehicle (providing no major structural modifications are necessary and where noise and/or exhaust emission ADRs apply, all standard equipment such as carburettors, exhaust systems, exhaust gas recirculating valves, oxygen sensors and catalytic convertors relating to noise and emission control are retained and operate
correctly);

Does this mean that I can't have a cat back but yes to a muffler?

• the fitting of a proprietary sunroof (if the modifications are of a minor nature only);
• fitting a “package” available as optional equipment for the vehicle (eg front disc brakes, power steering, alternative transmission and bucket or bench seats);
• additional lighting eg: fog & driving lights;
• alternative wheels and tyres within the owner certified limits set by the Authority (see Vehicle Standards Information Sheet No. 9 “Guidelines for Alternative Wheels & Tyres”);
• fitting of handling enhancing suspension components such as roll stabiliser bars and up-rated shock absorbers.

From that it would seem that I can do pretty much all of the mods I want except maybe the cat back and possibly the extractors (though I'm not sure if that would be allowed or not)

Harlequin,

I am at work tonight and will see if I can shed any further light on this issue for you.

Steve

cool thanks steve that would be great. Did you find out anything of interest?

:rant: god damn RTA and their rules!